posted October 18, 2012 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:

IMO there is a difference between a Kind/Good/Sincere guy and a "Nice" guy.

I'll let Jenna Marbles explain the rest:

http://youtu.be/3VXXXX9iVPI

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posted October 18, 2012 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
the argument that nice guys issues cripple them in the dating thing really ticks me off. because women gladly date guys who are: violent, liars, drug addicts,alcoholics,and guys who have commitment issues, are those not issues? I personally think those are worse then the alleged issues people claim nice guys have ,but that's just me.

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Looking at this i ask myself... why should you date a woman who has no interest in being treated well by a loving,kind and faithfull person?

Many of those woman who end up gettong together with "bad guys" are either unexperienced... and thus think the "bad guy" can be a suitable mate and give them the things they want (which usually ends up being the other way around)... or they have pretty deep emotional issues to deal with (self esteem or saviour complex mostly)

As you have seen here already there are many woman here who passed such uneasy experiences but now know what fits them right...or what can you call a "nice guy" so there ARE wonan out there who learned their lesson and im sure you will find one someday

posted October 18, 2012 01:24 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
as far as all the entitlement shaming language that is thrown at nice guys , we could say the same about lots of women. lots of women use sex to try to obtain a relationship and are angry when it doesn't work , they'll even get pregnant on purpose to try to trap the guy in a relationship, but nobody points that out. so if society doesn't think women are in the wrong when they get upset because life doesn't go their way, why are men shamed for it?

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Trust me that woman have a lot of their own problems...and many are the woman that wallow in self pity instead of self development to eventually go such broken paths that only feed their own misery and issues

posted October 18, 2012 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
as far as all the entitlement shaming language that is thrown at nice guys , we could say the same about lots of women. lots of women use sex to try to obtain a relationship and are angry when it doesn't work , they'll even get pregnant on purpose to try to trap the guy in a relationship, but nobody points that out. so if society doesn't think women are in the wrong when they get upset because life doesn't go their way, why are men shamed for it?

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My simple mind can't process all that.

posted October 18, 2012 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
as far as all the entitlement shaming language that is thrown at nice guys , we could say the same about lots of women. lots of women use sex to try to obtain a relationship and are angry when it doesn't work , they'll even get pregnant on purpose to try to trap the guy in a relationship, but nobody points that out. so if society doesn't think women are in the wrong when they get upset because life doesn't go their way, why are men shamed for it?

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Woman are super messed up, too. It is endemic

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posted October 18, 2012 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
Trust me that woman have a lot of their own problems...and many are the woman that wallow in self pity instead of self development to eventually go such broken paths that only feed their own misery and issues

Stop looking at who blames who more as it is an endless battle who has no victors... just keep striving for the best in yourself and make life good ^^ others
will eventually notice

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posted October 18, 2012 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
Trust me that woman have a lot of their own problems...and many are the woman that wallow in self pity instead of self development to eventually go such broken paths that only feed their own misery and issues

Stop looking at who blames who more as it is an endless battle who has no victors... just keep striving for the best in yourself and make life good ^^ others
will eventually notice

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posted October 18, 2012 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I wasn't trying to bring women down, I was just pointing out that they can be guilty of feeling entitled too, its not just nice guys. my point is its human nature
to be ticked off when you're not getting
your needs and wants met, everybody
gets upset when they feel shortchanged,
everybody! so its not right to assign this
only to nice guys as a huge character flaw. women have the right to get upset and have a pity party when their bad boys screw them over, so why are nice guys demonized when we get ticked off when we feel used and led on by women
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I think you might have misunderstood XD

Although it was said "nice guys" are self pitying of the way woman treat them but be sure that in general all those who talk about problems in their life should take an objective look upon themselves too... just to make sure that they are not the cause of the problem

posted October 18, 2012 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I wasn't trying to bring women down, I was just pointing out that they can be guilty of feeling entitled too, its not just nice guys. my point is its human nature
to be ticked off when you're not getting
your needs and wants met, everybody
gets upset when they feel shortchanged,
everybody! so its not right to assign this
only to nice guys as a huge character flaw. women have the right to get upset and have a pity party when their bad boys screw them over, so why are nice guys demonized when we get ticked off when we feel used and led on by women
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posted October 18, 2012 06:00 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
lmao, I've already explained how being the "friend" has gone for me atleast 100 times on here. they only see me as emotional suppirt for when the bad boy screws them over or they ask for advice that they never take. "john bailed on me to go to the corn maze with jordan, what should I do? I'm so upset! my response: dump his ass, he's blowing you off to spend time with another girl, you deserve better then that! her response: but I can't! I love him!. and I respond well he obviously doesnt care about you.

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Yep. That is why I wrote the article

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posted October 18, 2012 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Xodian:
IMO there is a difference between a Kind/Good/Sincere guy and a "Nice" guy.

I'll let Jenna Marbles explain the rest:

http://youtu.be/3VXXXX9iVPI

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Thanks. And she's so right. I have yet to meet a guy who claimed to be continuously rejected for being nice who was actually nice, they were all as Jenna described them. One example was a stalker (and large, hairy, unkempt, and with bad teeth on top of that) who got drunk, serious emotional problems, slept on a mattress with puke stains, a messed up family, did things like get drunk and play with guns & crossbows (while drunk, sometimes causing property damage), and once said he refused to help a woman moving next door get her couch in because he "knew she wasn't going to sleep with me for it." But he insists women don't date him because he's "too nice."

She also reminded me of that guy who shot up the gym. He was a total loser but he wanted the young, hot model women (which is why he chose a gym, because he wanted to shoot beautiful women rather than the women who were just as plain & dorky looking as himself which he did not want, so apparently women weren't allowed to be as finicky as him), and in his case he even paid for a course on how to pick up women which said to be a jerk and it still didn't work for him (no surprise). (Oh, and btw, his final blog post said he was looking forward to being with Jesus after shooting up the gym.)

Even our LL nice guy has admitted to lying to women in a blatantly manipulative way (and then didn't understand why other women said they'd never date a guy who lied & manipulated like that, which is to say it wasn't that he was "nice" that turned women off) as well as being a douche (like chasing them because he thought it was funny) as well as display a view of women most wouldn't care for. So yeah, right on Jenna.

posted October 18, 2012 07:06 PM            

aquaguy, most women are pretty intuitive. Do you think they might be picking up on your thoughts regarding woman in general, subconsciously? It might be a little bit of that, with at least some of them. People have a tendency to live up to your expectations of them.

I think a multitide of things are coming into play in your situation. And it isnt as simple as you'd like to believe it is - or it's not all the woman's fault.

Many of the other ladies here posted some great responses that you might really want to consider, but it seems like you are being a super fixed sign, hardheaded, not truly listening. Just automatically and quickly repeating what you have been saying for a long time now.

posted October 18, 2012 07:34 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Thanks. And she's so right. I have yet to meet a guy who claimed to be continuously rejected for being nice who was actually nice, they were all as Jenna described them. One example was a stalker (and large, hairy, unkempt, and with bad teeth on top of that) who got drunk, serious emotional problems, slept on a mattress with puke stains, a messed up family, did things like get drunk and play with guns & crossbows (while drunk, sometimes causing property damage), and once said he refused to help a woman moving next door get her couch in because he "knew she wasn't going to sleep with me for it." But he insists women don't date him because he's "too nice."

She also reminded me of that guy who shot up the gym. He was a total loser but he wanted the young, hot model women (which is why he chose a gym, because he wanted to shoot beautiful women rather than the women who were just as plain & dorky looking as himself which he did not want, so apparently women weren't allowed to be as finicky as him), and in his case he even paid for a course on how to pick up women which said to be a jerk and it still didn't work for him (no surprise). (Oh, and btw, his final blog post said he was looking forward to being with Jesus after shooting up the gym.)

Even our LL nice guy has admitted to lying to women in a blatantly manipulative way (and then didn't understand why other women said they'd never date a guy who lied & manipulated like that, which is to say it wasn't that he was "nice" that turned women off) as well as being a douche (like chasing them because he thought it was funny) as well as display a view of women most wouldn't care for. So yeah, right on Jenna.

That said, plenty of women (like men) are drawn to jerks and worse. But thing is, plenty of good guys have no problem getting married, let alone getting dates. And the reason I see for that is they're actually good.

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posted October 18, 2012 07:45 PM            

The Jenna Marbles vid was fun. & yeah, she's pretty spot on. ...and throws the f-bomb around almost as much as i do. lolol

aquaguy, most women are pretty intuitive. Do you think they might be picking up on your thoughts regarding woman in general, subconsciously? It might be a little bit of that, with at least some of them. People have a tendency to live up to your expectations of them.

I think a multitide of things are coming into play in your situation. And it isnt as simple as you'd like to believe it is - or it's not all the woman's fault.

Many of the other ladies here posted some great responses that you might really want to consider, but it seems like you are being a super fixed sign, hardheaded, not truly listening. Just automatically and quickly repeating what you have been saying for a long time now.

Anyway, best of luck to you./QUOTE]

posted October 18, 2012 07:47 PM            

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i know lots of nut jobs who get women though. i know a woman who is dating a man who claims to be an angel of god, but she is still with him lmao

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Just because you don't share the same opinion of him with her, does not mean you are right. Maybe she sees things in him that you dont. People often see the best in others when they love them...

I'm not sure what you arent understanding about that. Just because you say a guy is an ahole does not mean you are right or that the connection can't be meaningful for the people. And it also doesnt mean that those two people werent meant to come together in a relationship ad the girl is just messed up, just because you are convinced the person is not a nice person. Maybe he isnt, but maybe that's what she needs in her young adult life right now.

posted October 18, 2012 07:47 PM            

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posted October 18, 2012 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by T:
Just because you don't share the same opinion of him with her, does not mean you are right. Maybe she sees things in him that you dont. People often see the best in others when they love them...

I'm not sure what you arent understanding about that. Just because you say a guy is an ahole does not mean you are right or that the connection can't be meaningful for the people. And it also doesnt mean that those two people werent meant to come together in a relationship ad the girl is just messed up, just because you are convinced the person is not a nice person. Maybe he isnt, but maybe that's what she needs in her young adult life right now.

Maybe they have great or powerful astrological connections, maybe they are finishing up past life karma...is it really for you to judge and get so upset about? Maybe they were meant to come together and learn and grow and it's none of your business and you will never in your life have a clue as to why, and you don't need to. Even if they come complaining to you, you can let it go, be a man, smile, offer some advice and focus on being the type of person you would like to be with.

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posted October 18, 2012 07:54 PM            

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maybe. but if they were actually as intuitive as they claim to be they would be able to sniff out the players who play them over and over or sense the anger from the abusers, thats my opinion anyway.

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But you should know that it's not always as simple as that. People will repeat mistakes. It's easy, it's natural. It's what we do until we wake up and finally learn the message. We all do that on our own time, too. Not when other people tell us to.

People often re-live the same patterns in relationships that they grew up with and some of them may never learn. It's quite a process for anyone to make major changes and break familiar patterns, to look deep within and not repeat mistakes over and over again. But that is why they will keep dating the same kind of guy in different men - so that someday they may learn. It's not up to you to learn it for them or think they are stupid and get frustrated if they don't.

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posted October 18, 2012 07:57 PM            

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i'm just going by what i see and what i'm told, but cant we all agree that claiming to be an angel from god is pretty d*mn crazy? i always offer advice when asked but its never taken.

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I've heard worse....or crazier.. !!!

posted October 18, 2012 07:58 PM            

No one is bashing aquaguy. We are conversing.
Please don't confuse that or try to start drama where there isnt any.

posted October 18, 2012 08:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Aquaguy
Some people believe in spiritual things that don't make sense to other people. I don't want this thread to get into a fight as I am MELLOW these days

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You can say that again!

I'm feeling very mellow tonight too and in between a few things.

Please dong start drama Ami.

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