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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted September 02, 2011 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MBlake,

thank you for the information.
I tend to be very wary about what I read on the net regarding secret organisations however.
Afterall, it's just advertising, and we all know that toothbrushes don't make you happy with the marriage of your dreams, yet it doesn't stop Colgate making advertisments to lead you to believe so.

There's also a lot of fear-mongering regarding the group that confuses the issue.

Do you have any personal experience, facts or thoughts on the subject?

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posted September 02, 2011 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Voix_de_la_Mer
Would you start a new thread about Freemasonry at Spiderline or Aquarius Rising?
Geared towards what it is and is about, and I will try to keep folks on track.
We can discus equality issues at Aquarius Rising.
I was going to post my replies here but it is more than a man woman issue but a human issue, social issue, about equality and discrimination.
So,
am moving thread to Aquarius Rising.

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posted September 02, 2011 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquarius Rising
This Forum celebrates diversity in all its manifestations; may the Aquarian Age bring
equality to everyone, and in its dawn, bring an end to racism, sexism, and discrimination of every type

I shall post my replies as soon as possible.

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posted September 02, 2011 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many assumptions of he said she said and misunderstandings on this thread.
Please folks;
give me time to respond.
I see where the trouble spots are.

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posted September 02, 2011 04:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LEXX:
Voix_de_la_Mer
Would you start a new thread about Freemasonry at Spiderline or Aquarius Rising?
Geared towards what it is and is about, and I will try to keep folks on track.
We can discus equality issues at Aquarius Rising.
I was going to post my replies here but it is more than a man woman issue but a human issue, social issue, about equality and discrimination.
So,
am moving thread to Aquarius Rising.


No worries Lexx.

I'm not sure I want to pursue the original thread atm, nor this one.
I fear I may not be communicating clearly.

I'll maybe try again later on.

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posted September 02, 2011 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sory guys, although this is partly about sexisim it belongs to the Spider Line, it will probably get more relevent posts over there..

i will move again to spider line.

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posted September 02, 2011 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MAN this thread is a traveller.

A fiver says it's a Sagittarius

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posted September 02, 2011 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geeez
this is getting very annoying.
I feel it belongs at Aquarius Rising because of the equality thing and discrimination.
Oh well, frake it.
Here is reply I tried to make at AR.

I see misunderstanding on all sides.
I have read and re-read over and over all posts here.

I will reply more after I get some sleep.

From what I can see,
it appears in a nutshell that it is not the men's only club which bothers you,
it is that those men made the rules for the women only version and because you are not the spouse of such a man;
you are not allowed into the women's club either.
Also, yes, very sexists that men can join by request the men's club but the women have to be "owned" by one of those men to join the women only club.
That is just so wrong of them.
So am I understanding what you meant?

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posted September 02, 2011 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The initial post was indeed more about discrimination than information on freemasonry.
Hence why I still feel Aquarius Rising is the proper forum for it.
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Aquarius Rising
This Forum celebrates diversity in all its manifestations; may the Aquarian Age bring
equality to everyone, and in its dawn, bring an end to racism, sexism, and discrimination of every type

Sorry but this topic has absolutely nothing to do with the following:

quote:
The Spider Line
From the CIA's use of body doubles to President Nixon's secret yacht, Linda was very familiar with conspiracy theories, and one thing is certain--sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction; this Forum is for conspiracy theories of all types, and like the supposed body of Linda's deceased daughter, Sally, who bore no prominently identifying spider line scar, not all such theories are without merit
Venus you said:
quote:
Originally posted by Venus:
sory guys, although this is partly about sexisim it belongs to the Spider Line, it will probably get more relevent posts over there..

i will move again to spider line.



Randall had advised me that threads are to posted/put in their proper forums.
As anyone can see, this is not a topic listed in the Spider Line forum description.
However it is a topic of Aquarius Rising.
Also Randall advised that no thread should be placed in the incorrect forum to make it
get more attention.
This thread is now in the incorrect forum.
I initially moved it to Sweet Peas because of female/male disputing but realized the issue was about discrimination and inequality.
Please re-read the forum descriptions and see that this is not correct forum per those descriptions.
Original post is indeed concerning discrimination and not anything to do with Spider Line forum topics.

quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Does anyone have any information on the female's role in Freemasonry?

I once was a member of a Freemason forum, just to learn about the order, and they said that there are separate order set up for women, but women could only join if related to, or married to a freemason.
Whereas, men can join if the fancy takes them.

I find this incredibly sexist.

I have spoken to a couple of freemasons who were very guarded, and gave me basically no information other than 'it is a brotherhood' - women can't be 'brothers'.
One of them also said I "should never ask a freemason about freemasonry" - he had a most threatening look in his eye when he said it.

I have spoken to the wife of a freemason who says she is involved with a group called The Order of the Eastern Star - or something to that effect. She brushed off my questions and said it was a load of rubbish and that she only goes because her husband is a freemason - obviously being evasive under a cloak of frivolity.

I was intimate with a freemason this year, we had a short 'relationship', he showed me some handshakes, explained that being a mason made it easer to get work and/or financial support, he wouldn't tell me a password even though I pressed him half to death (he obviously has the patience of a saint, or is very scared of repurcussions), and when I asked him about why women can't actually BE freemasons in their own right, he said "well it's just 'tradition', isn't it?".

Tradition my arse.
Tradition was only allowing white men to join, now MEN of any ethnic background can join.

He also said that women may be a 'distraction'.

Why abolish the race tradition and not the gender one?

Are we women so powerful that even the grand freemasons and their heroic sidekicks, the templars, fear us?
I think so.

Thoughts? Personal experiences? Facts?


I shall return later if I feel there is anything more to add. Right now rather burned out on the entire issue.

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posted September 02, 2011 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LEXX:
Geeez
this is getting very annoying.
I feel it belongs at Aquarius Rising because of the equality thing and discrimination.
Oh well, frake it.
Here is reply I tried to make at AR.

I see misunderstanding on all sides.
I have read and re-read over and over all posts here.

I will reply more after I get some sleep.

From what I can see,
it appears in a nutshell that it is not the men's only club which bothers you,
it is that those men made the rules for the women only version and because you are not the spouse of such a man;
you are not allowed into the women's club either.
Also, yes, very sexists that men can join by request the men's club but the women have to be "owned" by one of those men to join the women only club.
That is just so wrong of them.
So am I understanding what you meant?


Yes, pretty much.

Although the purpose of the topic was not necessarily to express umbrage at their traditions, or choices, but more to try and understand the psychology of it.

My suspicion is that there is more to it than merely 'sexism'. On the surface, yes, that is one way to term it, but I think it's too simplistic to say that it is because they feel the male is superior.

I was aiming for a discussion of why they may choose these ways, hoping someone may have some personal information through being a mason, being related to a mason, having a friend who is mason, etc.
But I was also interested on personal thoughts regarding their separation of men and women, which I feel is really just an 'ousting' of women - it is my belief that any order set up for women through official channels is to pacify them essentially, make them 'feel' involved, and also, as a convenient answer to the question I have posed in this thread.

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posted September 02, 2011 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pertinent Question raised by Voix. These are some possible answers:

1. Freemasonry secretly teaches about Kundalini and for long periods they do not like "sexual distraction" in the advanced degrees. They need the brethren to maximize their energy and virility without loosing too much semen via masturbation from seeing hot chicks in the halls. The maximized energy is astrally utilized by the actual controllers.

2. Women are easily connected to Earth's Aura. The secret rituals could be invoking dieties who are inimical to the Earth Spirit, and the women may get possessed by the opposing "Shaktis" and zap the dark brethren and their astral masters to smithereens.

3. Freemasonry needs to keep secrets and the brethren are probably assuming that women cannot keep their secrets.


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posted September 02, 2011 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread has a wide appeal. Some of this some of that...

That is why it can be so difficult to pidgeonhole a thread that takes legs and runs.

It does seem to fit the conspiracy theme here because if you are not a Mason, you will speculate. And that includes the seemingly sexism in it`s folds.

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posted September 02, 2011 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Yes, pretty much.

Although the purpose of the topic was not necessarily to express umbrage at their traditions, or choices, but more to try and understand the psychology of it.

My suspicion is that there is more to it than merely 'sexism'. On the surface, yes, that is one way to term it, but I think it's too simplistic to say that it is because they feel the male is superior.

I was aiming for a discussion of why they may choose these ways, hoping someone may have some personal information through being a mason, being related to a mason, having a friend who is mason, etc.
But I was also interested on personal thoughts regarding their separation of men and women, which I feel is really just an 'ousting' of women - it is my belief that any order set up for women through official channels is to pacify them essentially, make them 'feel' involved, and also, as a convenient answer to the question I have posed in this thread.


I agree especially about the pacification of the women.
The women follow the men's rules.
So yeah, the men are in control even of the women.

I am not posting much about my personal experience and so forth on this issue.
To put it lightly it was disgusting.
Corruption and perversion(much of it sexual, including underage folks) and deception prevails with the men.
Snobbery and yes a kind of fear emanated the women.
Maybe it is not like that everywhere but that is what I witnessed.
I wish I had never gotten near any of them.
"Shudder"

And IQ, I must totally disagree with you.
I read what you said and was like you got to be pulling my leg....hard.

juniperb, I see your point in relation to conspiracy theories.

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posted September 02, 2011 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I live in a small community and have known the lodge members all my life. The Sisters of the Eastern Lodge are also well known by me. I promise you none of them are evil, sexist or out to get anyone. They are normal, church going fathers, mothers and grandparents who are a bonus to the community.
They provide college funding, aid the needy, provide services to the elderly and fundraising for the community ( to name a few).
Yes, they hold "private" meetings, have secret handshakes and all the trappings that go with any society... up to and including the boy/girl scouts

Perhaps this is just one small community and small Lodge but I know they are not plotting one world order or any other notion one has of secret org.

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posted September 02, 2011 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding man vs women.

Let us not forget we are different and should embrace the differences rather than quibble that we are equal in all aspects.

I am NOT touting sexism but am embracing the various mental, physical and spiritual differences in the masculine and feminine energies.

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posted September 02, 2011 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am going to try and reply to as many posts as possible.
Please bear with me.

quote:
Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
This whole gender equality crap trying to penetrate and emasculate men on every level
is just as dangerous to a society as male chauvinism.

Equality my friend is NOT CRAP!
I do however agree with what I know you meant.
When it becomes a domination war betwixt the genders it is WRONG!
However, that is not about equality at all.
Equalty betwixt men and women does not penetrate nor emasculate a man!
Why would it? That is ridiculous!
Amowls became upset in the next post because of that blatant misconception that equality
is about women dominating men as you did pretty much state.
I must admit that particular line did not set well with me either.

I would hope however that all would read your later posts which do explain your views in a more tactful manner.

quote:
Originally posted by amowls**:
That's a load of horsesh*t. You're wrong. The end.
Masculinity and Femininity are cultural constructs.
Whether you were born with a d*ck or a vag*na doesn't mean
you are AUTOMATICALLY going to act masculine or feminine.
My vag*na has no bearing on whether I'm good at driving or math.
Men don't have to feel pressure to be ultra masculine,
just as women don't have to feel pressure to be ultra feminine.
Gender inequality hurts us all and if you believe otherwise,
you're part of the problem.

I agree.
Sure some studies show differences but overall, these differences have nothing to
do with equal rights!

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posted September 02, 2011 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mochai:
........What if the mother exposed the female baby to more testosterone in the womb due to a medical issue and that caused the structure of her brain to resemble a male's? It would be cruel to force her overtly or through subtler means of social bias to do something she did not love and she was not made to do. Not only that, it likely would be fighting against her soul's purpose incarnating into such a body with such a brain. What if she was gifted with a brain and purpose to work with developing a unified field theory and due to our suppression she was miserable at home with three children in a domestic situation she felt trapped in? What kind of children would they grow up to be? There are geniuses of both genders in every field.

By the way I am more traditional about roles in the household, I just feel that turning them into a sociological straitjacket is wrong.


I am one of those "babies"
I grow facial hair.
ALL my psych tests reveled a male brain pattern and thinking and an IQ of 180.
I have been repeatedly denied my equal rights, even though I was better than any man at what I did, and resent greatly being forced by society to be what they think a woman should be like and be.
I have also seen men are treated badly by women and other men because they do not fit the macho stereotype.
Equality and equal rights is not about acting superior to the opposite gender.

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posted September 02, 2011 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
@Voix_de_la_Mer

Please point to where I said you wanted to join the Freemasons?

My concern over gender equality is far less subjective than yours...

Clearly you're the one with equality issues, not I

Thats the main problem I see in this thread, you have people putting forward very subjective opinions on gender issues and the masons as a whole. However like I hinted in my first post, one of the reason I would not join said group was because of their women issues. Not to mention the fact that they are practically a criminal organization at this point.

Biologically, gender wise we are different for good bloody reasons, women the sacred life giver, man the protector/hunter. This is the basis of our core psyche and has been for millennia, but society has brought much change and terrible confusion to both genders. Men no longer know what it is they should be anymore in this nanny state society, and women for the most part have fallen under the hammer of such insecurities amongst men.

Just the same, the counter movement as it were now seeks to do the same to men as retribution, and I don't care how you frame it, two wrongs aint going to make a right. The solution is not as simple as equality, because your first assuming that both genders have the slightest idea of what it is they are at this point. Like equality between what?

However the biology factor is a big one, it has more of a bearing than people realize in the difference between men and women in even simple things.

Oh really? Are you aware of the biological differences between male and female eyes in the rods and cones differential ratio, as such causes men to have far better depth perception than women. This is also a factor in spatial intelligence and yes, things like puzzles and math. While women, however, quite literally take in the bigger picture so have wider peripheral vision and other benefits, because they have more of the receptor rods and cones in the retina.

Work the rest out for yourself.... and take the latter up with mother nature

(Yes there are always exceptions, such is the spice of life)

People it seems, have become extremely resentful of even there own gender not to mention their counterparts. And I do hate to bring subjective observations into play here, but as a very androgynous male, betwixt my long flowing hair and delicate features, could pass for a woman if I so choose it. Struggling to understand what it is to be male is an on going process of exploration for me, and I feel the movie "Fightclub" addresses these issue in a very thought provoking way. Men may very well need men only groups to sit down and figure out just what they are, and are becoming... As such deals heavily with rites of passage and what not, and its a much bigger topic of discussion and ofc women I feel may need the same...

So when I see people arguing over... omgs, I cant join a male group, or female group because its got exclusivity one way or the other... As if such implies they are hiding some kind of powerful secret that inhibits the other gender. Ofc, they must be out right misogynistic/feminist heathens?

No, they may just need get naked, scream like a wild beast while dancing around a campfire and throw spears at targets to get in touch what it is to be a man, or woman for that matter... And they may not want the other gender around while they do such. Why? Perhaps because such is just embarrassing at this point in history...

I'm afraid its going to take a higher mind than someone who only deals in absolutes to nurse the pain in gender roles as things stand.



Those biological differences really have nothing to do with EQUAL RIGHTS!
And yes, either gender trying to dominate is wrong.
Gender separate clubs/groups?
I see nothing wrong with that.
However to the issue of Masons is the men tell the women how to run their group.
The men can join their group as they wish.
However women can only join if married to a Mason man, their women only group.
THAT is just so wrong!
And to tell any woman, just go start your own group, is rather rude and not what the issue was about. It was about joining the Masons, and then discovering the male rules governing the all women group, only allowed women married to a Mason, whereas a man can join the Masons without such a restriction.
Voix_de_la_Mer quotes you here below, and I see why she became upset.
However you both made assumptions and were not exactly always tactful.
I cannot just take sides here.
I am trying very hard to feel/see what both are saying and why all the anger.
Your ideas of male female clubs where each feels more comfortable, less embarrassed made sense, and your own personal experiences I agree with.
OK, going to try and respond to her and her comments on things you said.

quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I answered this question when I quoted the relevant post. Here it is again:
quote:
Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:

Oh, and just so we are clear, it was an assumption rather than a statement, I believe

"Its a man's club plain and simple, and they have the right to say no, you cannot join because you are a woman!"


quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Perhaps you were referring 'woman' in a general sense.

Erm, no, I don't have equality issues.
I BELIEVE in equality between men and women, ethnic groups, sexualities, etc, all those things that it's ridiculous to discriminate for.
If that is an 'equality issue', fair enough, call it what you like.

My statement to you was not that you had equality issues, but that you fear it.

And yes, it's an assumption on my part based your closing statement:



Well you both got hot headed and made assumptions.
However the following did not set well with me either.
Equal rights/equality is not about women trying to dominate men! Yes, if women copy the macho males and do same to them, then yes that is wrong and not equality.
But please, do not call gender equality CRAP.
I know you meant the extreme female domination thing, but you worded it such a way that could only be read as offensive to women because you did say
"gender equality crap"...............
quote:
Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
This whole gender equality crap trying to penetrate and emasculate men on every level is just as dangerous to a society as male chauvinism.

quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Let's think about what you have communicated to me, a woman, with that statement

- gender equality is crap
- gender equality deprives or degrades men (contradiction in terms from one who clearly feels threatened)
- gender equality is a danger to society, just like wife beaters, rapists, honour murderers, etc.

Wow.


I have to agree with you on that Voix_de_la_Mer.
It made my hackles rise too.
However I know Lei_Kuei was referring to the extreme feminist domination thing which attempts to degrade men in revenge because men have and do degrade women.
His error here was equating such to gender equality which is NOT the same thing!
I am sure he believes in equal rights.


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I agree with what IQ had to say...Unbelievable but true.

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quote:
Originally posted by rajji:
I agree with what IQ had to say...Unbelivable but true.
Your right to do so. I do not agree.

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why lexx? I only realised it, a bit later.
Better late than never for me.

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quote:
Originally posted by rajji:
why lexx? I only realised it later.
Better late than never for me.


Realized what?
This:
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
Pertinent Question raised by Voix. These are some possible answers:

1. Freemasonry secretly teaches about Kundalini and for long periods they do not like "sexual distraction" in the advanced degrees. They need the brethren to maximize their energy and virility without loosing too much semen via masturbation from seeing hot chicks in the halls. The maximized energy is astrally utilized by the actual controllers.

2. Women are easily connected to Earth's Aura. The secret rituals could be invoking dieties who are inimical to the Earth Spirit, and the women may get possessed by the opposing "Shaktis" and zap the dark brethren and their astral masters to smithereens.

3. Freemasonry needs to keep secrets and the brethren are probably assuming that women cannot keep their secrets.



Firstly IQ's remark shows a very sexist chauvinistic mindset:
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They need the brethren to maximize their energy and virility without loosing too much semen via masturbation from seeing hot chicks in the halls.
Hot chicks? geeeez!
What kind of men think like that?
Rutting pigs who cannot see a woman without drooling and spewing their semen all over?
Geeez!
Well, maybe they are, because the ones I knew were so......

1.The ones I have known are perverts and not spiritual or into Kundalini.
Maybe they teach it maybe they do not.
No further comment
2. Men and women are of this planet and to say one is more connected than the other is sexist pure and simple.
And the possession etc. part....sorry, smacks of superstition and paranoia.
3. That is just their paranoia and hatred of women in my opinion.
the more macho the man, the more he needs to strut like a rooster, the more likely he is a closet homosexual or fears or hates women.

Just my take based on personal experiences.

I am tired and dealing with a recent death and should not be posting perhaps.
This thread is upsetting me too much.
The Masons do set double standards.

EQUALITY AND EQUAL RIGHTS
ARE NOT SAME THING AS FEMALE OR MALE DOMINATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
Pertinent Question raised by Voix. These are some possible answers:


1. Freemasonry secretly teaches about Kundalini and for long periods they do not like "sexual distraction" in the advanced degrees. They need the brethren to maximize their energy and virility without loosing too much semen via masturbation from seeing hot chicks in the halls. The maximized energy is astrally utilized by the actual controllers.

2. Women are easily connected to Earth's Aura. The secret rituals could be invoking dieties who are inimical to the Earth Spirit, and the women may get possessed by the opposing "Shaktis" and zap the dark brethren and their astral masters to smithereens.

3. Freemasonry needs to keep secrets and the brethren are probably assuming that women cannot keep their secrets.



This is what Renowned ex-masons say about kundalini-
They sure practised it.

Mason, Manly P. Hall writes that Hiram Abiff is symbolic of the Spirit Fire of the Kundalini of Hindu mysticism. This is an extremely dangerous occult practice and shows the very real danger of coming into contact with demons during occultic initiation. Manly P. Hall writes:

Sufficient similarity exists between the Masonic CHiram and the Kundalini of Hindu mysticism to warrant the assumption that CHiram may be considered a symbol also of the Spirit Fire moving through the sixth ventricle of the spinal column. This shows the role that spiritual illumination often plays in occult initiation. occult researcher

Bob Larsen gives the following definition of Kundalini: Kundalini: According to Hindu yoga teaching, spiritual energy at the base of the spine, in the form of a serpent

(Hindu goddess Shakti), that seeks ascension to the brain to form a psychosexual union with the Hindu god Shiva, resulting in "enlightenment." Raising the Kundalini serpent fire can have extremely dangerous physical as well as spiritual results.

A man who was well qualified to speak of its dangers was an occult practitioner and Freemason - Charles W. Leadbeater, 33 . He writes the following about the Kundalini serpent fire:

One very common effect of rousing it prematurely is that it rushes downwards in the body instead of upwards, and thus excites the most undesirable passions excites them and intensifies their effects to such a degree that it becomes absolutely impossible for the man resist them, because a force has been brought into play in whose presence he is as helpless as a swimmer before the jaws of a shark. Such men become satyrs, monsters of depravity, because they are in the grasp of a force which is out of all proportion to the ordinary human power of resistance.

Manly P. Hall, a very influential 33 Mason and author of many Masonic books, claims that Hiram Abiff was a symbol of the spirit fire of the Kundalini. (See page 3, quote 6 ). In 1985, Manly P. Hall wrote the introduction for the book, Your Amazing Mystic Powers, written by Henry C. Clausen, 33 . The book was published by The Supreme Council 33 Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry Mother Jurisdiction of the World, and at the time of its writing Henry C. Clausen was the Sovereign Grand Commander. Manly P. Hall's book that stated that Hiram Abiff was symbolic of the spirit fire of the Kundalini was recommended in a book published by Macoy Publishing and Supply Company as being, "...of special interest to Freemasons..."


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This is not very important however I would like to point out that auto insurance rates for male drivers and female drivers are largely the same except for when under the age of 25 where women are charged less. I would like to state that driving uses multi-dimensional skillsets, and going by the insurance rates, women f* up driving less often than men over the course of their lifetimes. Besides through the juxtaposition of reference points occuring naturally while driving, any edge in depth perception can be accounted for (I have been tested, having no depth perception and can parallel park a semi.. it's not hard). However if I were to pick a driver to navigate an off road race track at 80 mph, I would choose a male driver. Some bus companies have been known to discriminate and pick female drivers as the buses break down less often.. they are easier on their vehicle and take better care of it.

Amen
(semi-joking on the ankh etc.. and I really don't care.. I like men anyways )

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"This whole gender equality crap trying to penetrate and emasculate men on every level is just as dangerous to a society as male chauvinism"

I must confess, was perhaps foolish of me to make such statements around people who just don't know what I'm implying when I say such things, yet my position there in is clear, when upon reading and understanding my 3rd response as it adequately articulates my feelings and thoughts on gender/equality.

No I am not in any way against women's rights, however my off the cuff comment was the result of many many hours of debate betwixt friends as regards gender wars and I pretty much just jumped in as if I was still doing so lol....

My comment was a group generalization as regards so called equality movements, not equality itself... and yes at face value it appeared as the opposite. But if that were true, its doubtless I would posting an apology.

So I do apologies ladies

I would sooner just pick up the mason trail as I have much to say on it...

Will post when I can

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