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Emeraldopal
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posted September 07, 2011 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
let's set our eyes in Egypt,
The Giza Pyramids, the nile,
the Sphinx, if you look above..
you will see they were mimicking
the sky, the Milky Way is the Nile,
the 3 pyramids are orions belt, etc.
The Pleaides lead the way..
to the Black Hole, the
WOMB of our World, like mom
that black hole gives birth, is
in a way, mom
this is the alignment that is
coming up 12-21-2012...
and I think of it as a Star Gate also..
rambling...
Mom is the way that the Universe
was born, that is why the
feminine essence is superior. ...

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted September 07, 2011 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Emeraldopal:
Voix de la mer...

there is no male or female,
without a MOther and Father..
Both are needed to Create
Life,
Mom, carries life, and gives
birth, Dad can't do that!

Linda writes in Gooberz about
the Feminine essence being superior!
MOM is very special!


Dad can impregnate - mum can't.
There is no life to carry without dad.

I can't view the female or the male as superior - they both have their place, and neither one can exist without the other, in a literal sense - they are complimentary.

I haven't read Linda's book, but I can't think of one reason I would agree with regarding superiority between genders. It just makes no sense.

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Emeraldopal
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posted September 07, 2011 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Voix de la mer,

You will have to ask your-Self
Why?
Has Mother been hidden?

I agree, they are totally equal,
as I have stated, can't have one
without the Other.

Why was she hidden, and why did the
masons continue this in the New World?

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Emeraldopal
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posted September 07, 2011 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from Gooberz
page 904

"women have been tempted and persuaded to believe
that their equality and power must be symbolized, as well as gained
through the adoption of masculine thought processes
dress, manners, speech -- and behavioral patterns of the man
and this is incredibly self-defeating

for the great influence of the feminine Soul
directed by the awesome Power of the Feminine Goddess
of each Feminine 'I'
cannot regain its lost powers..through the alchemy of abdicating

the very essence of femininity itself

and if it continues, it will bring the inevitable and self-defeating result
of the struggle of women to emerge..to have been in vain"

"correct...and the primal wisdom, still not fully envisioned by women
is their cosmically commanded struggle for equal rights
is the secret of..

Woman's Eternal Superiority

page 905

this is symbolized in the Act of Creation itself
by the Father and Mother Who art in Heaven
for, the Macrocosm Creation of all Universes by Them
is reflected, or mirror-imaged
in the microcosm creation of a child..on Earth

and Man does indeed, plant the seed of Life
but it is Woman--and Woman only
who controls, within Her own Essence.. the POwer
to either permit--or not to permit--new life
to miscarry, abort--or give birth

therefore, the Feminine Essence has been divinely given
dominance over the Masculine Essence
in the final determination..of all creation

for it has been known Eternally and Forever
that the sensitivity, compassion, love and intuition
of the Feminine Goddess essence
comprise the inner wisdom to be entrusted with Life itself

and Woman may only regain her POwer....
she may only bring the 'O' into the circle of her POwer
by retaining..and not losing
her own S-elf

this is her one and only
path to freedom..there is no other
for, all other roads lead back into the maze of her submission

woman must gaze into the Mirror of Truth
and see reflected there--her own true Essence

which is the greatest of all POwers--the POwer over Life
for Woman, the Feminine 'I', is the
I AM
and these 3 letters
of the druidic, Chaldean alphabet
do contain the very deepest mystery-of-all-mysteries
in all Solar Systems, Galaxies and Universe...
...the Overwhelming Mystery of Woman"
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it goes on...what a wonderful book!

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posted September 07, 2011 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for Linda`s re-minder of the Feminine Essence

Which re-minds me of "the thunder, the perfect mind".

A lot to read but may awaken the feminine we have let slumber.


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The Nag Hammadi Library

The Thunder, Perfect Mind

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Translated by George W. MacRae


I was sent forth from the power,

and I have come to those who reflect upon me,
and I have been found among those who seek after me.
Look upon me, you who reflect upon me,
and you hearers, hear me.
You who are waiting for me, take me to yourselves.
And do not banish me from your sight.
And do not make your voice hate me, nor your hearing.
Do not be ignorant of me anywhere or any time. Be on your guard!
Do not be ignorant of me.
For I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the ***** and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am <the mother> and the daughter.
I am the members of my mother.
I am the barren one
and many are her sons.
I am she whose wedding is great,
and I have not taken a husband.
I am the midwife and she who does not bear.
I am the solace of my labor pains.
I am the bride and the bridegroom,
and it is my husband who begot me.
I am the mother of my father
and the sister of my husband
and he is my offspring.
I am the slave of him who prepared me.
I am the ruler of my offspring.
But he is the one who begot me before the time on a birthday.
And he is my offspring in (due) time,
and my power is from him.
I am the staff of his power in his youth,
and he is the rod of my old age.
And whatever he wills happens to me.
I am the silence that is incomprehensible
and the idea whose remembrance is frequent.
I am the voice whose sound is manifold
and the word whose appearance is multiple.
I am the utterance of my name.
Why, you who hate me, do you love me,
and hate those who love me?
You who deny me, confess me,
and you who confess me, deny me.
You who tell the truth about me, lie about me,
and you who have lied about me, tell the truth about me.
You who know me, be ignorant of me,
and those who have not known me, let them know me.
For I am knowledge and ignorance.
I am shame and boldness.
I am shameless; I am ashamed.
I am strength and I am fear.
I am war and peace.
Give heed to me.
I am the one who is disgraced and the great one.
Give heed to my poverty and my wealth.
Do not be arrogant to me when I am cast out upon the earth,
and you will find me in those that are to come.
And do not look upon me on the dung-heap
nor go and leave me cast out,
and you will find me in the kingdoms.
And do not look upon me when I am cast out among those who
are disgraced and in the least places,
nor laugh at me.
And do not cast me out among those who are slain in violence.
But I, I am compassionate and I am cruel.
Be on your guard!
Do not hate my obedience
and do not love my self-control.
In my weakness, do not forsake me,
and do not be afraid of my power.
For why do you despise my fear
and curse my pride?
But I am she who exists in all fears
and strength in trembling.
I am she who is weak,
and I am well in a pleasant place.
I am senseless and I am wise.
Why have you hated me in your counsels?
For I shall be silent among those who are silent,
and I shall appear and speak,
Why then have you hated me, you Greeks?
Because I am a barbarian among the barbarians?
For I am the wisdom of the Greeks
and the knowledge of the barbarians.
I am the judgement of the Greeks and of the barbarians.
I am the one whose image is great in Egypt
and the one who has no image among the barbarians.
I am the one who has been hated everywhere
and who has been loved everywhere.
I am the one whom they call Life,
and you have called Death.
I am the one whom they call Law,
and you have called Lawlessness.
I am the one whom you have pursued,
and I am the one whom you have seized.
I am the one whom you have scattered,
and you have gathered me together.
I am the one before whom you have been ashamed,
and you have been shameless to me.
I am she who does not keep festival,
and I am she whose festivals are many.
I, I am godless,
and I am the one whose God is great.
I am the one whom you have reflected upon,
and you have scorned me.
I am unlearned,
and they learn from me.
I am the one that you have despised,
and you reflect upon me.
I am the one whom you have hidden from,
and you appear to me.
But whenever you hide yourselves,
I myself will appear.
For whenever you appear,
I myself will hide from you.
Those who have [...] to it [...] senselessly [...].
Take me [... understanding] from grief.
and take me to yourselves from understanding and grief.
And take me to yourselves from places that are ugly and in ruin,
and rob from those which are good even though in ugliness.
Out of shame, take me to yourselves shamelessly;
and out of shamelessness and shame,
upbraid my members in yourselves.
And come forward to me, you who know me
and you who know my members,
and establish the great ones among the small first creatures.
Come forward to childhood,
and do not despise it because it is small and it is little.
And do not turn away greatnesses in some parts from the smallnesses,
for the smallnesses are known from the greatnesses.
Why do you curse me and honor me?
You have wounded and you have had mercy.
Do not separate me from the first ones whom you have known.
And do not cast anyone out nor turn anyone away
[...] turn you away and [... know] him not.
[...].
What is mine [...].
I know the first ones and those after them know me.
But I am the mind of [...] and the rest of [...].
I am the knowledge of my inquiry,
and the finding of those who seek after me,
and the command of those who ask of me,
and the power of the powers in my knowledge
of the angels, who have been sent at my word,
and of gods in their seasons by my counsel,
and of spirits of every man who exists with me,
and of women who dwell within me.
I am the one who is honored, and who is praised,
and who is despised scornfully.
I am peace,
and war has come because of me.
And I am an alien and a citizen.
I am the substance and the one who has no substance.
Those who are without association with me are ignorant of me,
and those who are in my substance are the ones who know me.
Those who are close to me have been ignorant of me,
and those who are far away from me are the ones who have known me.
On the day when I am close to you, you are far away from me,
and on the day when I am far away from you, I am close to you.
[I am ...] within.
[I am ...] of the natures.
I am [...] of the creation of the spirits.
[...] request of the souls.
I am control and the uncontrollable.
I am the union and the dissolution.
I am the abiding and I am the dissolution.
I am the one below,
and they come up to me.
I am the judgment and the acquittal.
I, I am sinless,
and the root of sin derives from me.
I am lust in (outward) appearance,
and interior self-control exists within me.
I am the hearing which is attainable to everyone
and the speech which cannot be grasped.
I am a mute who does not speak,
and great is my multitude of words.
Hear me in gentleness, and learn of me in roughness.
I am she who cries out,
and I am cast forth upon the face of the earth.
I prepare the bread and my mind within.
I am the knowledge of my name.
I am the one who cries out,
and I listen.
I appear and [...] walk in [...] seal of my [...].
I am [...] the defense [...].
I am the one who is called Truth
and iniquity [...].
You honor me [...] and you whisper against me.
You who are vanquished, judge them (who vanquish you)
before they give judgment against you,
because the judge and partiality exist in you.
If you are condemned by this one, who will acquit you?
Or, if you are acquitted by him, who will be able to detain you?
For what is inside of you is what is outside of you,
and the one who fashions you on the outside
is the one who shaped the inside of you.
And what you see outside of you, you see inside of you;
it is visible and it is your garment.
Hear me, you hearers
and learn of my words, you who know me.
I am the hearing that is attainable to everything;
I am the speech that cannot be grasped.
I am the name of the sound
and the sound of the name.
I am the sign of the letter
and the designation of the division.
And I [...].
(3 lines missing)
[...] light [...].
[...] hearers [...] to you
[...] the great power.
And [...] will not move the name.
[...] to the one who created me.
And I will speak his name.
Look then at his words
and all the writings which have been completed.
Give heed then, you hearers
and you also, the angels and those who have been sent,
and you spirits who have arisen from the dead.
For I am the one who alone exists,
and I have no one who will judge me.
For many are the pleasant forms which exist in numerous sins,
and incontinencies,
and disgraceful passions,
and fleeting pleasures,
which (men) embrace until they become sober
and go up to their resting place.
And they will find me there,
and they will live,
and they will not die again.

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it. ~Rumi~

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Emeraldopal
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posted September 07, 2011 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amen-Awomen. ...

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posted September 07, 2011 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mblake81:

..I understand your point however.


I didn't get that from wikipedia or at least not alone. Wikipedia isn't my go-to source for anything esotericy for obvious reasons.
In any event, a bunch of websites claim HOGD doesn't exist.

In most Indian traditions, the female tantric is the lead and the teacher for sexual practices (going by the Aghori series and most likely something I read somewhere else).

quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Mochai,

that is an interesting observation you make about the astrological age we are in.
Leading on from that though, if we are truly in Aquarius, then shouldn't equality be at the forefront? Or perhaps this surgence in the striving for equality is characteristic of being in Aquarius?

I think some think we are still in Pisces, but Pisces is feminine is it not, so that wouldn't make sense?

Lots to consider!


I'm not really sure what made them choose what. I'm fairly certain it was in the Autobiography of a Yogi book where they talked about the Age of Cancer and Gemini being periods where women were dominant and men subordinate, but they didn't talk about the ages relating to polarities. Every fixed age there's a change and die off (flood in the age of taurus, an ice age in the age of Leo if I'm not mistaken). The subsequent ages veer more away from god than the fixed age period. Atlantis was in the Age of Virgo. I think seeing eachother as anything less than equal is an illusion.

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posted September 08, 2011 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Emeraldopal,

"and Man does indeed, plant the seed of Life
but it is Woman--and Woman only
who controls, within Her own Essence.. the POwer
to either permit--or not to permit--new life
to miscarry, abort--or give birth

therefore, the Feminine Essence has been divinely given
dominance over the Masculine Essence
in the final determination..of all creation"

So, what of in the case of rape? (no choice to permit)
And is there any evidence for women having a choice between miscarrying and not miscarrying? (force of nature, not woman)

I know you're not trying to convince me, but I really don't see this as solid reasoning for the woman to be superior to the man.

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posted September 08, 2011 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the bottom line is ...

we have a choice, man does not,
it's Our Body Temple. ...

in the case of miscarriage, and rape,
those are of Karma, The Universal Laws
are Immutable, you get what you give..
this carries into each new Life we live!
Til we balance ALL of our Karma, Our Debts..
the things we've done.

We have a choice to take birth control
or not. Man does not have that choice..
He must abide by what we decide..
The Ultimate Choice is Ours, and
has always been!

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posted September 08, 2011 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nice to hear from you after a long time EmeraldOpal/LotusHeartOne. Brilliant views on Divine Feminine, well said.

It takes just a few minutes for man to impregnate but a woman spends more than 300,000 minutes on "creating" the baby. Mathematically, the real feminine essence is thus 20000-30000 times more caring and responsible.


P.S:
Hope your children are doing fine, their charts had excellent spiritual and empathetic potential.

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posted September 08, 2011 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mochai,

I was making a reference to Chaldean saying wikipedia is a lousy place to get information because anyone can alter it. You may not get accurate information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism

The Rosicrucian Fellowship, 1909/11. Teachings present the mysteries, in the form of esoteric knowledge, of which Christ spoke in Matthew 13:11 and Luke 8:10. The Fellowship seeks to prepare the individual through harmonious development of mind and heart in a spirit of unselfish service to mankind and an all-embracing altruism. According to it the Rosicrucian Order was founded in the year 1313 and is composed of twelve exalted Beings gathered around a thirteenth, Christian Rosenkreuz. These great Adepts have already advanced far beyond the cycle of rebirth; their mission is to prepare the whole wide world for a new phase in religion—which includes awareness of the inner worlds and the subtle bodies, and to provide safe guidance in the gradual awakening of man's latent spiritual faculties during the next six centuries toward the coming Age of Aquarius.

Weeeekipedia

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posted September 08, 2011 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ,

Thanks so much!

My children, ah, I'm still on their
rollercoaster ride..I pray for the
next phase to come!

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posted September 08, 2011 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Emeraldopal:
the bottom line is ...

we have a choice, man does not,
it's Our Body Temple. ...

in the case of miscarriage, and rape,
those are of Karma, The Universal Laws
are Immutable, you get what you give..
this carries into each new Life we live!
Til we balance ALL of our Karma, Our Debts..
the things we've done.

We have a choice to take birth control
or not. Man does not have that choice..
He must abide by what we decide..
The Ultimate Choice is Ours, and
has always been!


We do not have a choice if we are raped or miscarry - that still stands.

As for rape and misscarriage being the fruits of karma - "we get what we give"?
Are you serious?

Are you telling me that if a man rapes a child it is the child's karma and therefore it deserves to be raped due to actions in a supposed past life that no one can prove?

I can agree with the concept of karma in THIS life, as a matter of 'cause and effect' - obviously actions cause reactions, but to take it out of the realm of this life is beyond what I am willing to buy into - particularly when I see that perfectly intelligent people actually see 'karma' as justification of rape.

It reminds me of the fundamentalists who believe they can commit the most henious act you can think of, ask Jesus to save them, and be cleansed of all responsibility of that henious act.

Please tell me how the raped person/child are 'getting what they gave'?

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posted September 08, 2011 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mblake, I know. That's what I said. It's not for this genre of information, short of possibly seeing how it was doctored away from the truth or comparing it to a bunch of other things that are said. In any event I've browsed their forum more than once and been to a number of different websites.

I do stupid things sometimes, and lately my head has been in a horrid fog, but I'm not that stupid. I'm not about to try to join the HOGD to get more information and it doesn't really interest me.

Voix, karma isn't pretty . I've incarnated into some hard lives and turned the wrong way myself. Karma doesn't justify rape, and saying it does is a blatant misunderstanding of how karma works. It's just a law that can be bypassed if the soul makes the right choices. I was born into a family household where I knew I would be abused, and I met a soulmate whose bipolar was so bad I would have rather been brutally raped by a sadist over meeting him (although my understanding was that wasn't planned, life happens). It would have been less traumatic after what I'd already been through.

You should look more into past life research like Ian Stevenson or past life regressions with Yale psychiatrist Brian Weiss. Many past life memories have been validated, and in fact my birth mark is from losing my leg in my last life.

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posted September 08, 2011 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mochai:
Mblake, I know. That's what I said. It's not for this genre of information, short of possibly seeing how it was doctored away from the truth or comparing it to a bunch of other things that are said. In any event I've browsed their forum more than once and been to a number of different websites.

I do stupid things sometimes, and lately my head has been in a horrid fog, but I'm not that stupid. I'm not about to try to join the HOGD to get more information and it doesn't really interest me.

Voix, karma isn't pretty . I've incarnated into some hard lives and turned the wrong way myself. Karma doesn't justify rape, it's just a law that can be bypassed if the soul makes the right choices. I was born into a family household where I knew I would be abused, and I met a soulmate whose bipolar was so bad I would have rather been brutally raped by a sadist over meeting him. It would have been less traumatic after what I'd already been through.

You should look more into past life research like Ian Stevenson or past life regressions with Yale psychiatrist Brian Weiss. Many past life memories have been validated, and in fact my birth mark is from losing my leg in my last life.


Forgive me Mochai, but viewing karma like this in the context of abuse and rape just seems like a way to regain the control that was taken. Except it is false control, and ultimately a hinderance to healing.

Children are abused because adults abuse them.
Adults abuse for a myriad of reasons.

My body was owned by an adult in childhood because of said adult's 'sexuality' - not because I chose to be.

I refuse to take the easy way out of this one - humans do terrible things because of terrible things - to be simplistic.

I have read about past lives, trust me, I have pretty much waded through all the spiritual literature you can get your hands on, I am not convinced.

There are too many 'teachings' or 'guidelines' set up to absolve the person of the responsibility as to what is right and wrong, and that, in turn, is a slap in the face to those hurt by the actions of said people.

I am sorry, but I cannot buy this. I do respect your choice though.

Playing devil's advocate - imagine your 4 year old daughter was raped, would you tell her it was her karma and that she chose to be raped in this life?
Could you really say that to a child and not feel you are rejecting them?

I will concur that there is much to be learned from our suffering, but to say that all the people and kids out there that were raped and abused chose to be in a former life, is just taking it too far.

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posted September 08, 2011 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to go too much into the nitty gritty of karma, because there are people who are much better versed on this issue than I am. Karma is like a cosmic IOU for an unlearned lesson. Sometimes we take harsh lives to evolve back to the source faster, and those in turn leave us liable to act in a way that quite divergent from love and light ideals.

In Hinduism it is said that people long to be born in this age, the age of Kalli, because the opportunities for soul evolution are so great, as are the struggles.

Honestly, I agree with you on the whole inhumanity of the suffering here. I don't think it should exist and I want no part of this planet or this incarnation and the way people treat one another, but it's easy for me to say that when I'm cut off from everything in this limited body.

I know I touched on this briefly in another post, but there are darkworkers, people who evolve in a way that has less regard for morality, and is actually a faster way to evolve and they have their place. It's a very depressing, much harder path.

I still think you're not reading the right literature, but it took me several years of being crazy in love with a close soulmate (the way only a fire sign can) and getting pretty bad kundalini and losing pretty much everything I cared about, before I started believing in past lives, and it wasn't much longer before I started seeing beyond the veil or getting past life visions, seeing auras, hearing voices telling me my purpose in life was to be a shaman, having visions of shamanic dismemberment and journeying and whatever have you. It's really hard going from being an atheist to having an earth dragon totem attack you because she wants to test you, and being told you were a pixie around 1900, or hearing other people's thoughts, having kriyas, astral projection experiences, intense heat going up your back, blowing out lightbulbs, making lights flicker whatever room you're in and strong heart palpitations and pains every time you feel a lot of love. Walking down the street and seeing everyone as some divine exalted being who was already perfect and just needed to be. Thank god for mental institutions that don't recognize the Spiritual Emergency category in the DSM. There are many stories on kundalini, and I suggest you look into Hiroshi Motoyama's work concerning kundalini. He himself had it and is a highly esteemed recognized professor who has supposedly had proof at Kundalini's existance since the 1960's.

Oh, and I just got done with A Fight to Be, and am half way done with Soteria. Those along with Trials of the Visionary Mind are great for researching spiritual emergence on a psychospiritual level and are related to the above. Just saying again, I think you should read them. Spiritual Emergency: When Personal Transformation Becomes a Crisis is also recommended. Maybe you could look at Jung's The Red Book, and how he was going through his own type of spiritual emergence/psychosis. Again.. http://www.youtube.com/user/bipolarorwakingup#p/u/3/v1Cwpx8inKY. You don't have to think schizophrenia or bipolar mirror shamanic initiation but there's a mirror there. In a way shamanic initiation is completely devastating and kind of like rape. The worst part is nobody accepts your experience because god is all love and would never create a horrible defeating experience for you to go through.. and if you go through it yourself.. you have bad karma and you're an evil person. God wouldn't create emotional turmoil and make it into a transcending experience. I'll stop there.. but it goes into what you're talking about.

I wouldn't tell a child that they deserved to be raped or planned on it in this incarnation. I would tell them that there are people who are severely hurt in this world and that when people are hurt and they cut off that part of themselves they tend to hurt others. That this is why we should always pay attention to our feelings and honor ourselves. That feelings can tell us when something is wrong. That even though they're small how they interact with people and the choices they make has a huge impact and that they are quite enormous really. That every minute interaction has an impact. That they deserve to be loved and no one should be treated like they were treated. That the person hurt them because people didn't know how to treat him and he didn't have enough love or compassion which caused him to lose touch with a part of himself so much so that he was able to hurt someone like that. That I would always try to protect my daughter and that I would always try to be there for her. That life isn't perfect, but that we're here to make the lives of others better so that others don't have to suffer the way that we have. That that is where true happiness and fulfillment comes from, and that the man that hurt her only has as much power to hurt her as she lacks the ability to find compassion love and understanding for him. That by that act, she can heal herself and others.

Sorry for my verbosity. I want things to be more concise but my brain again is in a weird place.

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posted September 08, 2011 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am recovering from another mini-stroke that began yesterday,
but wanted to make some comments.
I did not ask for nor deserve to be molested betwixt 2 and 12 and raped at age 4, 9, and 15.
I did not ask for nor deserve to lose over 26+pregnancies, some even after the quickening.
I did not ask for nor deserve to have been born with birth defects.
I did not ask for nor deserve to be disabled.
I am so damn disgusted with the new age or other ideas that I asked for and deserve my hardships and sorrows in life.
The new agers spewing such drek are often so holier than thou and few of them know what it is like.
One thing I have noted in my past lives' research including my own.
The core personality persists.
Some overcame evil deeds and will not do such again.
Others as far as I can tell never did any serious wrong to deserve hardships yet endure such life time after life time and are martyred, abused, and all through no fault of their own.
Seems to be a lot of givers who never get the good they deserve and takers who get the good lives they do not deserve nor earned.
On that note,
off to try to deal with a depressed possibly suicidal roomie/ex husband to be,
and my problems.

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posted September 08, 2011 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Voix de la Mer,

I'm obviously not explaining in
a way, that you can Understand...

When we came here, we were given
The Universal Laws, that are Immutable..
Simple Laws of cause and effect...

Man did not need to make his own laws
for the Universal Laws see to Justice,
ALL on their Own...

Would I tell a 4 year Old she was raped
because of Karma, NO, that child is not ready for that!

You are upset, and I AM sorry!

When you reach a point of paying back
your Karma, when you get to that Clean
Slate, you will have instant karma..I live
it everyday!

If I do good, good comes right back to
me, if I do something bad, something
bad comes right back to me, it's instant
Karma...

I'm sorry I have failed at explaining
this better..

Truly it's very simple, but very hard
to swallow. ...

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All my love, with all my Heart
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posted September 08, 2011 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LEXX,

I didn't see your post, when
I posted my above post...

I'm sorry for what you have
been through, and what you
are going through now. ...

I want you to get better, I
did not want to upset you!

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posted September 08, 2011 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some evolved souls take on a lot of karma that isn't their own. That is true. Some evolved souls take on quite a lot like Lexx..

I am sorry to hear about your mini-stroke Lexx.

I'll try to send some positive prayers your way..
(and not to put an end to your pain.. as I know how that wording can work)

Also voix, sometimes things happen and what wasn't supposed to happen happens outside of karmic cause and effect.

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posted September 08, 2011 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Emeraldopal:
LEXX,

I didn't see your post, when
I posted my above post...

I'm sorry for what you have
been through, and what you
are going through now. ...

I want you to get better, I
did not want to upset you!


Thank you.
All I want to say to folks right now is;
APPRECIATE THE GOOD THINGS IN YOUR LIVES!
DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED!
TAKE TIME TO ENJOY SIMPLE PLEASURES.
Some of us have to struggle for the most basics of life, yet still find joy in living
and are sad for those who seem to have it all or nearly so, wealth, health, etc. but complain and want more and are unhappy.
Worse yet are the haves who look down on others.

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~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Никола Тесла
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posted September 08, 2011 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mochai:
Some evolved souls take on a lot of karma that isn't their own. That is true. Some evolved souls take on quite a lot like Lexx..

I am sorry to hear about your mini-stroke Lexx.

I'll try to send some positive prayers your way..
(and not to put an end to your pain.. as I know how that wording can work)

Also voix, sometimes things happen and what wasn't supposed to happen happens outside of karmic cause and effect.


Thank you mochai.

Ok...must go for now....very exhausted.


sorry for going offtopic
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~I remember, therefore I am immortal~LEXX
~The present time is theirs, but the future is mine.~Никола Тесла
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posted September 08, 2011 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LEXX:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lexx:
Thank you mochai.

Ok...must go for now....very exhausted.


sorry for going offtopic


You're fine Lexx. You always add to discussions.. we were talking about karma . And thank-you for including us in on your life. Many people here care about you

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posted September 08, 2011 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Some opinions in this thread are utterly irresponsible under a cloak of 'spiritual', and I am getting seriously angry.

Childhood is in the hands of the parents or guardians PERIOD.

We don't even have evidence of the existence of a 'soul' for god sake, nevermind one that has consciousness before it is technically conscious and can make the decision to be born to abusive parents.

One of the things that is closest to my heart, and what I feel is part of my purpose, is to help those who have been abused.

Unless you are a sadist, telling someone who has been raped that it essentially was their 'choice' is suicide to that person.

I actually feel sick now.

This is not spirituality, this is perpetuating an irresponsible, brush-it-under-the-carpet, turn a blind eye and suck it up society - only the whole reason ******** get away with abusing people in the first place.

I'm done with the talk on karma.
No, I don't just have to read more about it, if you could see my several bookcases you'd see what I mean.

I hope no one requests help from anyone that believes this rubbish, because this is enabling, and perpetuating suffering and abuse, pure and simple.

I feel I have nothing more productive to say.

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posted September 08, 2011 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Voix de la Mer,

You don't know me, so don't judge me..
You have no idea what I have gone through
in my life...I don't whine and complain,
and talk about all these things, I don't
need anyone's sympathy or pity..
For I have no One to blame, but my-Self
for my hardhsips!

Get off your High Horse, it's not becoming
at all!

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All my love, with all my Heart
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