posted September 08, 2011 06:38 PM            

We all have knowledge, beliefs and opinions. Lets not step on each other in sharing ours.

thanks.

posted September 08, 2011 06:41 PM            

I AM leaving this string!

posted September 09, 2011 02:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Emeraldopal:
Voix de la Mer,

You don't know me, so don't judge me..
You have no idea what I have gone through
in my life...I don't whine and complain,
and talk about all these things, I don't
need anyone's sympathy or pity..
For I have no One to blame, but my-Self
for my hardhsips!

Get off your High Horse, it's not becoming
at all!

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I don't recall judging you, although if I don't judge crossing the road I could get hit by a car ...

What I am judging is a belief that I feel is dangerous to women and children.
If you choose to define yourself by that belief that's your choice. I am still attcking the belief, not you.

Knowing what you have or haven't been through will make no difference to my opinion of karma in the context of abuse and rape and miscarriage. None.

Can't you see that karma here is just a false control?
Maybe that helps people in the short term, but eventually they will have to go through the blame-game AGAIN.
The abuser already tells the person/child that it is their fault, and then karma tells them it's their choice.

No idea who I am talking to anymore, if Emeraldopal has left the thread, but I wanted to be clear about what riled me so much yesterday.

This is not a high horse, it's an alarm bell, at yet another endangering 'spiritual' belief.

HOnestly folks, you've got to keep one foot on the ground, and one eye open. I don't care what anyone's definition of reality is, all I know is that billions of people are suffering RIGHT NOW.

posted September 09, 2011 02:53 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
This has seriously devolved and it`s time to step back and take a break.

We all have knowledge, beliefs and opinions. Lets not step on each other in sharing ours.

thanks.

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Juniper,

I am trying to point out something I feel is very important and dangerous.
I couldn't care less about pushing anything I believe on anyone else, as I have very little beliefs to begin with.

So, if I see people expressing a belief I believe to be a danger to society, I shouldn't say anything in case I upset someone?

Is that really the right thing to do?

If I remember correctly this began as a conversation to convince me of the female's superiority over the male's.
When questioned on how women have any control over rape and miscarriage I was given the cookie cutter, pithy answer of 'karma' - what does that even MEAN here?

My stance is the same, I refuse to believe either the male or female is suprior to the other, and karma is not a legitimate answer to the abuse of people and children.

I will not change that opinion.

posted September 09, 2011 04:06 AM            

Voix - I understand what you're saying but unfortunately one of the big problems with a lot of beliefs is that they are just opinions and not facts. I agree with you on the subject of karma. I wrote this a while ago and although I'm not happy with it (needs more and editing) I'll post a link any way.
http://dysfunctionalmystic.com/#/karma/4538303019

posted September 09, 2011 04:31 AM            

Men and women were created equal, yet different. And the fact that we’re different and complement each other is wonderful.

I believe this is what even linda was alluding to!
"women have been tempted and persuaded to believe
that their equality and power must be symbolized, as well as gained
through the adoption of masculine thought processes
dress, manners, speech -- and behavioral patterns of the man
and this is incredibly self-defeating

for the great influence of the feminine Soul
directed by the awesome Power of the Feminine Goddess
of each Feminine 'I'
cannot regain its lost powers..through the alchemy of abdicating

the very essence of femininity itself

and if it continues, it will bring the inevitable and self-defeating result
of the struggle of women to emerge..to have been in vain"

posted September 09, 2011 05:36 AM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
I was going to open a separate thread on karma but I'm not quite sure where to post it, maybe divine diversities or somewhere like that.

Voix - I understand what you're saying but unfortunately one of the big problems with a lot of beliefs is that they are just opinions and not facts. I agree with you on the subject of karma. I wrote this a while ago and although I'm not happy with it (needs more and editing) I'll post a link any way.
http://dysfunctionalmystic.com/#/karma/4538303019

It's hard trying to get the balance right and I don't actually think it's possible to be completely politically correct when you're dealing with beliefs and yes if you think something is wrong then you actually have a moral obligation to speak out....or at least that's my opinion on it.

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Yes, balance is one of my personal nemeses.
I agree wholeheartedly with what you have said about moral obligation. It often goes beyond that though, when I feel in my heart that something is wrong, I can't stop myself speaking up. Obviously this doesn't always have a positive outcome, and perhaps that is down to my lack of eloquence when I am impassioned.

posted September 09, 2011 05:42 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
Voix has made some interesting points.
Well,I too felt the same..Neither of them are superior in a way that each of them have their own unique abilities and attributes.
Both of them cannot be compared on the basis of equality or karma with respect to ones abilities.
Both of them complement each other each other's strengths and weaknesses, that's how it should be ... A little bit of both.
Hence I wholeheartedly believe that God created man and woman so differently to complement each other by supplementing each other in their given or assigned roles.
“In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of
woman. For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything
comes from God.”
"Man and woman have the same value
Both are created in God’s image
Both were given authority over the earth.
Man and Woman do not have the same role:
Man was created first in relation to her and is to lead;
Woman was created second in relation to him, and is to complement him."
I believe there is no substitution or duplication between a man and a woman. that is the essence of creation in order to supplement each other through our attributes.
Adam and Eve were created equal in God’s sight. Within the context of their equality, God assigned men and women different roles. He made Adam first, signifying his unique role as leader and initiator. He created Eve from Adam and brought her to Adam to be his helper in the tasks God had assigned him. She was made to complement, nourish, and help her husband. God’s greatest gift to man was “a helper suitable for him” (Genesis 2:18). This doesn’t minimize a woman’s role, but it does define it.

Men and women were created equal, yet different. And the fact that we’re different and complement each other is wonderful.

I believe this is what even linda was alluding to!
"women have been tempted and persuaded to believe
that their equality and power must be symbolized, as well as gained
through the adoption of masculine thought processes
dress, manners, speech -- and behavioral patterns of the man
and this is incredibly self-defeating

for the great influence of the feminine Soul
directed by the awesome Power of the Feminine Goddess
of each Feminine 'I'
cannot regain its lost powers..through the alchemy of abdicating

the very essence of femininity itself

and if it continues, it will bring the inevitable and self-defeating result
of the struggle of women to emerge..to have been in vain"

Is'nt that more than clear?
It is not about the struggle of superiority by donning the cloak of a man...We are what we are with all our flaws and strengths.
This essence of feminity cannot be abdicated instead has to be complemented with the essence of masculinity in order to fullfill each other.

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Rajji,

I do agree with a lot in your post, although I have suspicions regarding any religious text, as I feel that religion is really another form of control, or government, if you like. People are much easier to control and target when they are in a group, much harder to catch if they disperse - metaphorically.

"This essence of feminity cannot be abdicated instead has to be complemented with the essence of masculinity in order to fullfill each other."

- agreed.

The question of who came first is irrelevant to me (not that anyone has come up with a reasonable answer to that anyway - not religion and not science), we are two halves of the same whole.

Either the Freemasons also believe this and fear it undermines their goals, or they don't believe this and see men as superior.

posted September 09, 2011 05:57 AM            

that is a wonderful article that outlines my own worries about karma in this context.

I truly feel that it a way for the abused to clutch to an imaginary sense of control over what happened to them.

From that height it is a very long fall to the truth.I know, I took it, in several ways.
I entertained pretty much all notions of control over what happened in my childhood as well as this:

- he was sick and didn't mean to hurt me, I should be the bigger person and pity him
- I was seductive even though I knew it was wrong, and encouraged the cycle to continue
- you only get one father and you should love him unconditionally
- it was meant to happen to me so that it wouldn't happen to another child (having no idea just how prevalent child abuse was at the time)
- I was special, chosen
- it was just a form of love I didn't understand yet

What was the immediate result of this thinking? - when the police and social workers and counsellors questioned me I lied - I protected him, I told half truths - STILL trying to hold onto this fake control.
As a result he received no imprisonment for 9 years of sexual abuse.
I still haven't forgiven myself for that.

I could go on and on with the reasons I came up with to retain a sense of control over what happened.
Eventually I realised any control I thought I had was a lie.
It was a lie perpetuated by the psychological grooming, and default consequence of the abuse itself.
And I realised, I had NO CONTROL EVER.
And that to cling to this idea that I somehow could have prevented it or stopped it kept me in a state of victimisation.

The search for meaning is also an entrapment, like you state in your article.
There just isn't enough investigation to knwo for sure - is it illness? Is it control? It is sexuality? Is it psychopathology?

All that too has to be let go of, or did, for me.

Once I had let go of all attempts to control or give meaning, I was free to see it as an experience that, once I am healed sufficiently, puts me in the optimum position to both support those going through the same thing, and also to get into the mind of the abuser.

posted September 09, 2011 08:54 AM            

I just wanted you to know that I got where you were coming from.

Acceptance of powerlessness is a very difficult feeling to process. But it is ultimately what leads to empowerment. The irony!

And no , there isn't enough investigation into the reasons we need to attach meaning and especially not enough study of the reasons we attach to beliefs. It's a huge subject and beyond complex. There does seem to be a strong need for people to be able to give form to anything and everything they experience and I think that is a very human trait. I just feel it's a shame that beliefs are given special rights over ideas in general because it often stops the analysis.

posted September 09, 2011 09:09 AM            

voix

get off your high horse

Emeraldopal.

Karma ,abuse or freemasonary are not the issues for my post. It`s a gentle reminder that one is responsible for their written expression in these forums.

Feeling angry or over invested? Step back and take a break .

Listen as well as talk !

posted September 09, 2011 12:04 PM            

Maybe you have a bookshelf full of books but there are a lot of stupid ill informed writers writing a lot of books. I know it's pretty to think that suffering is inherently wrong (it is) and no god would create a world based on such a horrid existance, but it is still the world we live in. If there is free will and our body chose to enter that embryo to a sexually abusive father, what would most likely occur? Yes it's wrong. No karma doesn't justify the act. Karma is there to teach you where you messed up so learn to see yourself as always being one with everyone else around as opposed to existing in some dualistic me vs you universe. As someone studying to be a therapist you should know that you cannot heal trauma without forgiveness where you're always blaming the perpetrator for his cruelty. You don't release trauma with anger or revenge or hostility.

Until you love and forgive and see yourself as one, whether via buddhist notions of interdependent co-arising, or nonlocal conciousness, physically that all energy is quantumly entangled, or shamanically that it has a consciousness, that we are even ecologically one, we can never be wholly separated from one another, and if fear and aversion keeps you from seeing yourself in everyone around you in love and compassion, karma will pull you back into those scenarios until you do.

posted September 09, 2011 03:45 PM            

Blame where it is due is not a hinderance to healing or forgiveness.
You know what IS though, blame where it's NOT due, e.g. the survivor, or 'karma'.

And with all due respect, I hardly think you are in a position to tell me what I should and shouldn't do with my experience and training.

I'll come back to this thread when I have more energy.

posted September 09, 2011 05:05 PM            

Trust me I hate the karmic bible thumpers as much as you do. They can be some of the meanest coldest people and their mentalities about karma tend to be backwards. From what I've seen, the good acts they do tends to stem more out of fear or ego aggrandizement than it does from love and there is nothing spiritually elevated about that.

posted September 09, 2011 06:30 PM            

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Maybe you have a bookshelf full of books but there are a lot of stupid ill informed writers writing a lot of books. I know it's pretty to think that suffering is inherently wrong (it is) and no god would create a world based on such a horrid existance, but it is still the world we live in. If there is free will and our body chose to enter that embryo to a sexually abusive father, what would most likely occur? Yes it's wrong. No karma doesn't justify the act. Karma is there to teach you where you messed up so learn to see yourself as always being one with everyone else around as opposed to existing in some dualistic me vs you universe. As someone studying to be a therapist you should know that you cannot heal trauma without forgiveness where you're always blaming the perpetrator for his cruelty. You don't release trauma with anger or revenge or hostility.

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It's the above that concerns me

I have a bookshelf full of Nietzsche, Rollo May, Ernest Becker, RD Laing, Jung, Paul Tillich, Schopenhauer, Alice Miller,Clarissa Pinkola Estes and Kierkegaard as well as a heap of stuff that's connected to astrology and the new age.

How is it "pretty" to think that suffering is inherently wrong?

Suffering makes me feel sad not pretty.

I don't think that god is responsible for the suffering so I don't think "no god would create a world based on such a horrid existance".

As for karma, it's a beLIEf not a fact. It's what you CHOOSE to think.

But the bit that got me the most was the last part. You don't ever need to give forgiveness to heal trauma, that's just what you're personally telling yourself so you don't have to face the consequences of your own psyche. It's YOU that's BLAMING the perpetrator.

Gestalt therapy teaches releasing of trauma with anger and hostility. Revenge is simply what YOU are seeking. And because you can't take revenge yourself (for whatever reasons) you fall back on a beLIEf that says "karma" will do it for you. Gestalt therapy is actually pretty effective too.

The comment to voix about "being someone who is studying to be a therapist should know" is a little ....erm I can't find the word, but what voix should know as a trainee therapist is that denial is rife and a few other things but to say to her that she should know that you can't heal trauma without forgiveness of the perpetrator is a an outright lie. Acceptance of the self is another matter.

And forgive me for pointing out the obvious that it was you Mochai, who in another thread stated quite clearly that you did not wish to be here on this planet. So if you have such an aversion to being human, why should anything you say have any relevance to someone who is quite clearly dealing with very human problems?

She's been told to get off her high horse not once but twice - not for being condescending but for being rational and explaining herself despite feeling highly charged.

She's stated quite clearly that she had to endure trauma and then she gets slated for not taking the responsibility from the grown ups shoulders?

Oh come on !

posted September 09, 2011 07:40 PM            

"She's been told to get off her high horse not once but twice"

In case you are refering to my post, please let me clarify it.

I duly noted one sister was getting angry, the other bossy. In that vein, I suggested they step back and play nice or leave each other alone

Neither of my moderator type posts were reflecting my views on the discussion or the specific posters but rather the emotions running high..

posted September 09, 2011 08:16 PM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
It's the above that concerns me

I have a bookshelf full of Nietzsche, Rollo May, Ernest Becker, RD Laing, Jung, Paul Tillich, Schopenhauer, Alice Miller,Clarissa Pinkola Estes and Kierkegaard as well as a heap of stuff that's connected to astrology and the new age.

How is it "pretty" to think that suffering is inherently wrong?

Suffering makes me feel sad not pretty.

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:

I don't think that god is responsible for the suffering so I don't think "no god would create a world based on such a horrid existance".

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:

As for karma, it's a beLIEf not a fact. It's what you CHOOSE to think.

But the bit that got me the most was the last part. You don't ever need to give forgiveness to heal trauma, that's just what you're personally telling yourself so you don't have to face the consequences of your own psyche. It's YOU that's BLAMING the perpetrator.

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I've been hoping someone else would come in and explain karma better. I still have karma conjunct saturn with a score of asteroid afflictions, and I must say that feels pretty real. You get what you give. It makes sense that with cause comes effect, for every action a reaction unless you step out of the cycle. Sure perception plays a huge deal in lucid dreaming and NDE's among other things, but I was an atheist most of my life and was told my greatest fault was that I cared too much, but I got negative karma a lot anyway. Perception doesn't supercede the reality or collective realities. Anyway. Think what you want. You're entitled to your beliefs, and I would be upset if you didn't follow your heart.

I should have been more clear somewhere, I think I said karma would trap you here. That's not the case. It's the wrong mindset, not loving enough etc.

Resentment is not a pretty aura color. Dark green. I'm not saying people shouldn't go through the stages of grief, but as long as you have negative emotions stored in your energy body they effect you. Hatred can be a prison and reinforces those neural circuits and the soul changes along with thoughts and choices. Hatred and unforgiveness is not a place I want to be in.

For each trauma a person goes through, the hippocampus, which plays an integrative role in the brain among other things, shrinks more and more, eventually leading to ptsd. What causes this is when the amygdala hijacks the higher cortical circuits in the prefrontal cortex and starts freaking out, being angry or doing what it does. This leads to the downward circuitry going into fight or flight mode that for whatever reason shrinks the hippocampus, becoming highly shrunk in all PTSD sufferers. To counterbalance this, the left acc has been shown to play a role in keeping people centered in the prefrontal cortex. It controls compassion, courage, and recognizing a conflict. The left prefrontal cortex, which the left acc is a part of, being responsible for solving a conflict. Compassion and forgiveness being very closely related and very important therapeutically in achieving the other, it keeps the amygdala in check. Rather than going into fight or flight you keep your cool, without having to reinforce your anger circuitry in your brain (generally speaking not a good idea if avoidable).

To illustrate this principle in action, when the Chinese invaded Tibet, the Dalai Lama's Tibetan doctor was captured and subsequently tortured for the next 20 years of his life until a compassionate chinese soldier assisted in his escape. Upon his return, people were expecting a highly traumatized individual, neurologically speaking and interpersonally/psychologically speaking. Wanting to see the impact of that kind of trauma on the brain, they scanned his brain and were shocked to learn that there was no evidence of psychological trauma. When they asked if he was ever afraid during his 20+ years of torture, he said that he was afraid.. afraid he would lose his compassion for the chinese people. There are many stories similar to that.

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:

Gestalt therapy teaches releasing of trauma with anger and hostility. Revenge is simply what YOU are seeking. And because you can't take revenge yourself (for whatever reasons) you fall back on a beLIEf that says "karma" will do it for you. Gestalt therapy is actually pretty effective too.

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:

The comment to voix about "being someone who is studying to be a therapist should know" is a little ....erm I can't find the word, but what voix should know as a trainee therapist is that denial is rife and a few other things but to say to her that she should know that you can't heal trauma without forgiveness of the perpetrator is a an outright lie. Acceptance of the self is another matter.

And forgive me for pointing out the obvious that it was you Mochai, who in another thread stated quite clearly that you did not wish to be here on this planet. So if you have such an aversion to being human, why should anything you say have any relevance to someone who is quite clearly dealing with very human problems?

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:

She's stated quite clearly that she had to endure trauma and then she gets slated for not taking the responsibility from the grown ups shoulders?

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I hate to see people suffer, and I can tell that Voix has suffered more than her fair share. I can tell by her posts.

Going to quote this all verbatim because it relates to these themes.. some isn't so important, but these are correlates with mindfulness inventories. From page 91 of The Mindful Brain.

"Correlations of these facets with other measures revealed that the facets seemed to connect with predicted dimensions. For example, act with awareness (the "actaware facet) was inversely correlated with absent-mindedness and dissociation; "describe" was positively associated with emotional intelligence and negatively with alexithymia (the inability to describe one's internal state); and "nonjudge" was most robustly associated with low psychological symptoms, neuroticism, thought suppression, difficulties with emotional regulation, and experiential avoidance. Interestingly, "non-react" was most associated with self-compassion and "observe" correlated with openness to experience.

posted September 09, 2011 09:02 PM            

And forgive me for pointing out the obvious that it was you Mochai, who in another thread stated quite clearly that you did not wish to be here on this planet. So if you have such an aversion to being human, why should anything you say have any relevance to someone who is quite clearly dealing with very human problems?

It's the bit about "anything you (Mochai) say have any relevelence"

that's a diminishing sentence and I apologise for that.

I have no power to posit emotions on anyone.

But on the subject resentment; it's one of the most powerful emotions there is. In one of his books (I think it is power and innocence - the search for the sources of violence) Rollo May discusses how it is resentment that will push an individual towards freedom. Resentment grows as a result of being imprisoned on an inner level.

posted September 09, 2011 10:34 PM            

Well you certainly presupposed them (positing). I do believe your thoughts have power as well.

Lexx, just take care of yourself.

posted September 10, 2011 04:04 AM            

Mochai,

you talk of resentment and Tibetan Buddhist beliefs.
I only have my own experience to go by for certain, but I've also garnered information on those close to me.

Resentment is part of the process to healing - you cannot bypass it, it must be expressed, along with the anger, the injustice, the hurt, the sadness, etc - they are all valid and have a place.
You cannot push a person into another state of emotional being, you must let them walk through their own individual process.

As a sidenote, no, you can't 'tell' I have experienced trauma from my posts, I have laid it out in black and white, no telling involved.

Between the ages of 13 and 20 I was angry, resentful, dark, and suicidal.
Between the ages of 20 and 23 I was reclusive, fearful, and unstable.
Between the ages of 23 and 26 I emersed myself in Buddhism and other spiritual beliefs that felt true to me at the time - I had Buddhist friends, visited a monastery regularly, read the spiritual writings of the Buddha - understood them quite well I believe, if the response of ordained buddhists was anything to go by - I was on the verge of dedicating my life to it officially.

What stopped me?
The utter renunciation of humanity, that's what.

I I have read that quote you stated regarding the prisoner who feared he would lose compassion for his imprisoners (I have read his book on the experience), and I too thought wow how enlightened is that.
But can you tell exactly what his compassion done for the Tibetan people?
They are still being persecuted.
The Dalai Lama, who I have huge respect for, and happen to think is highly intelligent, ran and left his people to die.
He believed as their spiritual leader he must be preserved. Except, you cannot lead a dead country.
Non-violence in this case is responsible for many deaths. And yes, I know the rest of the world could have, or could do, more, but the buck stops with the country's leader.
And he left them.

If I hadn't allowed myself to feel resentment and anger, I would never have escaped my abuser - no one even remotely suspected I was being abused (except the one person I told who was still traumatised from her own abuse, but I'll get to this in a minute).
It was my anger and resentment that pushed him out of my life, it was how I overcame my fear.
He was 6ft 4, and pushing 40, he done a lot of physical work - imposing, to a 5ft, 90lbs, 13 year old, is an understatement.
Yet I singlehandedly removed him from my immediate environment.
How? I told him the very depths of my hatred toward him, I told him exctly what I would do to it and how I would kill him if he ever came near me again. I was certain I was going to die anyway - when you live in fear death is always on your shoulder.

He left me alone from that day onwards, unless you count a couple of love letters, and pathetically hanging around the school bus stop to walk me home. He did not enter my house or come within arms length of me again, thanks to my anger and resentment.

Now, obviously you can't carry that around with you. But it does have a purpose, and when that purpose is served, you begin to see how you are only hurting yourself with it, so you find a way to transform it.
You start to grieve, you cry, hurt, drink, cling, you become vulnerable again.
Then you start to search, you search for the whys, the hows, you wonder how this could have been allowed to happen, you frantically try construct ways to protect yourself from it again (I am not talking about coping mechanisms you developed during abuse - that is a different beast entirely), to retain your autonomy.

It was at that last stage that I got interested in Buddhism.
It was the most beautiful escapism I had ever experienced - more potent that drink or drugs (you had the knowledge you were doing it all with your mind, there's a sense of power in that).

Long story short, where did it leave me?
Hating the chinese and my abuser all over again.
I regressed through Buddhism and beliefs of the like.
A close buddhist friend was in constant turmoil about the fact that she had to accept her 'karma' (raped by her father and brother, then abandoned by her mother) - she had been an official buddhist for 10 years, with a deep understanding of the teachings.

My nana who was raped by lodgers in her mother's house has throughout her life constructed many ways to escape from her trauma. It is her escapism and refusal to express her anger and resentment, and move through the process, that caused her to reject my plea for help at 9 years old.
I endured another 4 years of abuse, and a complete loss of faith in humanity at 9 years old because she feared her rightful anger and resentment.

Escapism from the emotions that are perfectly natural following trauma, is much more damaging to yourself and those who depend on you, than seeing the process through.

Just because I feel it's dangerous to believe in karma in an abuse context, does not mean I am angry or resentful toward my abuser. It just means that I have gone through the process of all the necessary emotions, I remember every one of them intimately, and I am aware that none of them can be left out or deemed 'negative' - they are simply 'necessary'.

IMHO karma is escapism in the context of trauma. I really with all my heart wanted to embrace buddhism, but when I saw those people abandoned and dying, I realised that it too has flaws too big to dedicate my life to it. It does not teach you how to go through the process of healing as is natural for a human being, it teaches you how to run away from it and deny your intrinsic healing mechanisms.

Emotions cannot be feared or ignored, or smoothed over, they must be given power over you as long as they have something to say.
Many therapists will disagree with this - they say, you can feel things but they have no power over you, the buddhist say you can choose what you feel whenone arises - why all this deviation from what your mind has to do?

Power. Control.
That's what karma is about - passive, illusory control.

Or at least, that is my opinion on it.

posted September 10, 2011 04:42 AM            

And yes, the belief in a type of Karma can "attract" those consequences to the believer in accordance with Hermetic Laws. Mind-Patterns, Intense Thoughts and Mental States that affect emotions are extremely powerful in this 3D Reality.

The trick is to know how to erase false notions of karma and tackle only the actual karmic debts. If Karmic Debts did not exist, Saturn Transits would have no effect. But they do. Ask every person who went through Saturn return and learned astrology later on.

NASA announced an "invisible" planet in the constellation of Lyra. Slowly they are seeding the subconscious of Humanity with our true origins. This is so that the controllers have less karmic debts to repay, there is a fear of pain from advanced civilizations who will use karmic debts to punish the evil controllers. The controllers do not want us to know how to minimize our own debts. Even the most powerful are afraid of karmic debts. This alone should caution us into being careful before dismissing the existence of Karma.

Linda Goodman was right. Unconditional Forgiveness and Unconditional Love/Compassion are the best tools to eradicate genuine karmic debts.

posted September 10, 2011 02:38 PM            

I know there are things I could say about god or karma, because I think this is more about atheism than it is about karma. It makes sense that there would be rules to the universe and god wouldn't be a senseless sadist/masochist.

For holding hatred and resentment, there are psychosomatic reasons not to. Your body tenses when you feel that kind of emotion and when you have all that tension all the time you're predisposing yourself to severe chronic pain conditions later on in life, and moreso if you're an in accident. It's not the accident that causes the chronic pain conditions it's when your body tenses up which means people who hold that kind of tension and don't release it are the ones who end up in life long severe pain moreso. Not only that you're releasing that energy on a cosmic scale (look into nonlocal consciousness) but in Buddhism it's said hatred and animosity are the poisons that hurts the bearer more than it's intended target. If you look into the research and ideas I presented thoroughly enough, I think that should be reason enough to know that you need to release the anger and forgive at some point and maybe to recognize that there is some spiritual order to the apparent disorder of the universe.

Yes what is going on in China is wrong. Violent protests never work the way people want them to. That is also evidenced in Tibet, but the Dalai Lama has gotten a lot of public sympathy and through his work and example has spread buddhist concepts throughout the world to the degree that they're being married with scientific ideals to save lives and make the world a better place. Is it harsh? Yes. But quite frequently we take more negative karma than we put out. Sometimes to account for lives many thousands of years ago as IQ will attest. It was better that the Dalai Lama live than to be a senseless martyr.