posted September 02, 2011 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
"This whole gender equality crap trying to penetrate and emasculate men on every level is just as dangerous to a society as male chauvinism"

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
I must confess, was perhaps foolish of me to make such statements around people who just don't know what I'm implying when I say such things, yet my position there in is clear, when upon reading and understanding my 3rd response as it adequately articulates my feelings and thoughts on gender/equality.

No I am not in any way against women's rights, however my off the cuff comment was the result of many many hours of debate betwixt friends as regards gender wars and I pretty much just jumped in as if I was still doing so lol....

My comment was a group generalization as regards so called equality movements, not equality itself... and yes at face value it appeared as the opposite. But if that were true, its doubtless I would posting an apology.

So I do apologies ladies

I would sooner just pick up the mason trail as I have much to say on it...

Will post when I can

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posted September 03, 2011 03:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
"[b]This whole gender equality crap trying to penetrate and emasculate men on every level is just as dangerous to a society as male chauvinism"

I must confess, was perhaps foolish of me to make such statements around people who just don't know what I'm implying when I say such things, yet my position there in is clear, when upon reading and understanding my 3rd response as it adequately articulates my feelings and thoughts on gender/equality.

No I am not in any way against women's rights, however my off the cuff comment was the result of many many hours of debate betwixt friends as regards gender wars and I pretty much just jumped in as if I was still doing so lol....

My comment was a group generalization as regards so called equality movements, not equality itself... and yes at face value it appeared as the opposite. But if that were true, its doubtless I would posting an apology.

So I do apologies ladies

I would sooner just pick up the mason trail as I have much to say on it...

Will post when I can

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You have only apologised for making your statement "around people who just don't know what I am implying".
You and I both know that isn't an honest apology.

But, whatever, you don't owe me anything.

I do understand now, between Lexx and yourself explaining, what you actually meant to put across.

posted September 03, 2011 03:59 AM            

I've just read my response to you, and I realise I am being petty.

I'm sorry.

posted September 03, 2011 05:00 AM            

I have also thoroughly studied Male Psychology. Males tend to chauvinism from a deep fear of being beaten by women. This fear actually tends from Annunaki Genetic Modification Times, if we go by the brilliant analysis of a chaneller named "Aloya" on the web. Women are feared because of their connection to Shakti's Source. Earth Spirit is also feared thus, hence so many crimes by Top Bloodlines against Earth, to ravage her resources. They fear her Divine Feminine Magnetism. There is a school of thought that the electrical cables across Earth are to dampen the effect of Ley Lines and to create Stress against Earth's Feminine Magnetic Power. Crimes against Women out of the context of war have definitely increased with increase in the creation and usage of electricity.

posted September 03, 2011 05:48 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Good post Rajji!
I have researched Leadbeaters works a lot as well as many theosophists and occult gurukulas where sacred masturbation was practiced. It was a well kept secret for centuries.

I have also thoroughly studied Male Psychology. Males tend to chauvinism from a deep fear of being beaten by women. This fear actually tends from Annunaki Genetic Modification Times, if we go by the brilliant analysis of a chaneller named "Aloya" on the web. Women are feared because of their connection to Shakti's Source. Earth Spirit is also feared thus, hence so many crimes by Top Bloodlines against Earth, to ravage her resources. They fear her Divine Feminine Magnetism. There is a school of thought that the electrical cables across Earth are to dampen the effect of Ley Lines and to create Stress against Earth's Feminine Magnetic Power. Crimes against Women out of the context of war have definitely increased with increase in the creation and usage of electricity.

I also find Lexx's accusations of sexism/chauvinism against my points though rather preposterous. Someone so evolved should know better before making harsh accusations from pre-conceived notions and must know to judge humour and light hearted comments from serious points in a forum.

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iQ,

I read your original reply, and a couple of your points as to the motives of the freeomasons struck a chord with me.

But in this post, I think you may be onto something.

It makes me think of how the female was once worshipped over the male, then we had the cultures who worshipped both for their intrinsic qualities, then we moved into a culoture where the man was worshipped over the woman - and we seem to just be confused now, in general I mean.

We all know that men have power advantages over women, but I believe that women also have different kinds of power advantages over men, and it is these that I think the freemasons seek to avoid. Not necessarily because they want to be the most powerful gender, but because maybe they feel that they cannot be as powerful or potent whilst being involved with females.

I will write more later

posted September 03, 2011 06:34 AM            

There was a superb synchronicity of my reply as I received a powerful essay from a healer with links to a Sirian High Council who recalled the betrayal of the Annunaki, and how even today the genetic tampering they did exists as negativity in our DNA. Her work resonates with Alloyas.

The Hermetic Orders [superior to Masonry] have a secret of the Messianic Mystery.
According to them, the Annunaki invaded because of a mistaken ritual in Atlantis. This repeated in Moses' mistaken ritual to invoke the avenger against Pharoah who later started demanding Blood Sacrifices from the Hebrews.
It seems the Entity violated the Auric Space of the Pure Feminine Earth Being.
Jesus was thus needed to come from 5th D to repel the Satanic Entity named Yaldaboath [Note: This Entity is not Lucifer]. According to them, the plan was only partially successful. Those who hate Mary Magdalene and the Merovingian Lineage of Jesus are Yaldaboath's soldiers. As are all religious fundamentalists who repress women.

It takes a lot of negative energy to brutality hurt and repeatedly abuse a potential bearer of children. No animal species on earth tortures the female of their species. This negative instinct is probably the first negative "Alien Invasion" of Earth.

Kundalini Shakti is responsible for the proud erections of the virile Man who praises himself by building Phallic Symbols [Minarets of Mosques and Churches and Temples]. Man's Outward Physical Masculinity is nothing but a loan from the Divine Feminine. The Divine Man has no need to show off.

Freemasonry is also a victim to the denial of this fact, and it is a shame because their tradition knows of Isis loyally collecting the Pieces of Osiris and animating a Golden Phallus for him to conceive Horus.

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posted September 03, 2011 07:42 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Thanks Voix, you have understood me perfectly.
Lexx is very very intelligent, no doubt, but still has room for growth in matters of understanding Kundalini Shakti of the Earth.
To understand Woman, we must understand the Earth Being.

There was a superb synchronicity of my reply as I received a powerful essay from a healer with links to a Sirian High Council who recalled the betrayal of the Annunaki, and how even today the genetic tampering they did exists as negativity in our DNA. Her work resonates with Alloyas.

The Hermetic Orders [superior to Masonry] have a secret of the Messianic Mystery.
According to them, the Annunaki invaded because of a mistaken ritual in Atlantis. This repeated in Moses' mistaken ritual to invoke the avenger against Pharoah who later started demanding Blood Sacrifices from the Hebrews.
It seems the Entity violated the Auric Space of the Pure Feminine Earth Being.
Jesus was thus needed to come from 5th D to repel the Satanic Entity named Yaldaboath [Note: This Entity is not Lucifer]. According to them, the plan was only partially successful. Those who hate Mary Magdalene and the Merovingian Lineage of Jesus are Yaldaboath's soldiers. As are all religious fundamentalists who repress women.

It takes a lot of negative energy to brutality hurt and repeatedly abuse a potential bearer of children. No animal species on earth tortures the female of their species. This negative instinct is probably the first negative "Alien Invasion" of Earth.

Kundalini Shakti is responsible for the proud erections of the virile Man who praises himself by building Phallic Symbols [Minarets of Mosques and Churches and Temples]. Man's Outward Physical Masculinity is nothing but a loan from the Divine Feminine. The Divine Man has no need to show off.

Freemasonry is also a victim to the denial of this fact, and it is a shame because their tradition knows of Isis loyally collecting the Pieces of Osiris and animating a Golden Phallus for him to conceive Horus.

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Originally posted by iQ:
I also find Lexx's accusations of sexism/chauvinism against my points though rather preposterous. Someone so evolved should know better before making harsh accusations from pre-conceived notions and must know to judge humour and light hearted comments from serious points in a forum.

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Originally posted by iQ:
Pertinent Question raised by Voix. These are some possible answers:

1. Freemasonry secretly teaches about Kundalini and for long periods they do not like "sexual distraction" in the advanced degrees. They need the brethren to maximize their energy and virility without loosing too much semen via masturbation from seeing hot chicks in the halls. The maximized energy is astrally utilized by the actual controllers.

2. Women are easily connected to Earth's Aura. The secret rituals could be invoking dieties who are inimical to the Earth Spirit, and the women may get possessed by the opposing "Shaktis" and zap the dark brethren and their astral masters to smithereens.

3. Freemasonry needs to keep secrets and the brethren are probably assuming that women cannot keep their secrets.

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They need the brethren to maximize their energy and virility without loosing too much semen via masturbation from seeing hot chicks in the halls.

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Just my take based on personal experiences.
These are my observations not preconceived ideas that I buy 100%.
I am willing to listen to other views as long as they make some rational sense and are not from so far out in space cadet land that it would be hard and or a waste of time to dispute such things touted as fact.
That is subscribing to preconceived when the theoretical is put forth as absolute fact.
I see you do that often.

IQ
You have repeatedly down through the years looked down your holier than thou nose at me.
Perhaps you are so high on your ego cloud that you do not realize you do that.
You seem to feel that you have all the answers. Yes, you do come across that way.
I know I do not have many answers, only theory and speculation.
You do not know me nor what I know, what I do, and so forth.
You judge me without knowing me.
You post at times some of the most outlandish things and I do my best to leave you alone.
The things you post about can be found in various new age books. Many of the things I know and do are not found in books. Nor do I publicly reveal most.
I do understand feminine and male energies more than most folks.
Being born hermaphrodite, as like the Divine Androgyne, I am a blend of both naturally.
You sir have no right to judge my spiritual evolution, yet have done so often with the implications that you feel you are the highest evolved person at LL.
Even your user names are forms of ego bragging.

Additionally you are difficult to reply to because of your convoluted new age spin on history/mythos and stating things as fact which in my experience are not fact, and mixing it all together in a mishmash of theoretical truths and just plain new age hype and alien conspiracies etc. makes it very difficult to reply and comment on the rational parts, whilst disagreeing with the
rest.

You make comments like this about me:

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Originally posted by iQ:
Lexx is very very intelligent, no doubt, but still has room for growth in matters of understanding Kundalini Shakti of the Earth.

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Well this is all going off topic, so will close with that....and not going to get into the mythos of bloodlines and all, and aliens, and Atlantis, nor phallic symbolism, and twisted history etc.. I will even though theoretical, continue to trust what I have experienced and discovered and yes know, before buying into the new age naivete' and or blind belief and or paranoia.
That trust does not mean I believe 100%.
All is theoretical until evidence can be found.

posted September 03, 2011 08:14 AM            

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We all know that men have power advantages over women, but I believe that women also have different kinds of power advantages over men, and it is these that I think the freemasons seek to avoid. Not necessarily because they want to be the most powerful gender, but because maybe they feel that they cannot be as powerful or potent whilst being involved with females.

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Until we become Christ-like and balance our energies, we will always tip the scales of power in either direction.

Not that we are unequal, but rather we haven`t learned to work with the masculine or feminine and become fluid as one energy.

posted September 03, 2011 09:39 AM            

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once was a member of a Freemason forum, just to learn about the order, and they said that there are separate order set up for women, but women could only join if related to, or married to a freemason.
Whereas, men can join if the fancy takes them.

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An equal and opposite look at Masonary or shift the balance, why are men not members of The Order of the Eastern Stars ?

posted September 03, 2011 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:

An equal and opposite look at Masonary or shift the balance, why are men not members of The Order of the Eastern Stars ?

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Well, the Eastern Star, as I understand is a secondary and later edition to the freemasons, set up for the purpose of educating (or occupying) the wives, sisters and daughters of male freemasons.

Keeping it in the family perhaps?
Or keeping the women happy, or quiet?

posted September 03, 2011 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
Lexx,there are many here who dont agree to each other.
But nobody goes about calling names at each other.
I dont see IQ anywhere insulting you at all.
It was first you who called him chauvinist for which he has clarified that he used it in relation to kundalini and how masons percieve and use that energy.
Even after that you go about accusing him for no fault of his..Im sorry..But there are many here who agree and understand that He is talking facts and not nonsensical whims or fancies of his. About Mother earth and its Functional Polarities tis but a fact with respect to this topic.
Your blatant accusations is beyond comprehension for all of us here who agree and understand to what he has to say and offer.

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Hey Rajji,

I've been a bit of a nob from the start of this thread (can I call myself a name??).
It's a volatile subject.

I'm pretty sure Lexx and iQ can sort out their differences.

We never know what is going on in someone's life, or what their past interactions with others are, so it's best to let them deal with it themselves

posted September 03, 2011 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by LEXX:
YIN/YANG
Recognize the balance.
The balance is natural.
Let it be as it is.

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Yes, I think balance is the key.#I mean, we have to balance the energies within ourselves already, before we even worry about them on a grander scale and between genders.

So, that throws up the questions:

are the freemasons trying to exert their own balance without the females?
If so, why?
Is the eastern star to prepare the females in the same way - energy balance?

Do they intend to reuinite one day with the females and create somewhat of a 'master race', or a pure lineage? (lineage of 'what', is anyone's guess)

Or, are they indeed seeking to have power over both females, and non-masonic males?

posted September 03, 2011 10:22 AM            

Women and Masonry
-An informed opinion by Brother Rashied K. Sharrieff Al Bey, a respected member of the Masonic Light Freemasonry List and a number of other Masonic bodies.Many folk think that women cannot be Masons because there is something that they cannot understand, or some other such. That is patently not the case. There is a certain value to Masonic teachings that a man cannot hope to understand if he is unwilling to access his intuitive and empathetic faculties, which are distinctly feminine (it's only my belief). Not female, feminine. Some people don't realize that there is a difference between female and feminine, or male and masculine. Their misfortune.

Now, it is true that there are certain physiological and psychological/spiritual energies that do not mix for the optimum in all circumstances; let me give you a basic example of what I mean as it occurs in magnetism. Magnets are basically pieces of iron or steel that have the molecules organized in such a way that they promote rather than obstruct the flow of magnetic force through the iron. We call the flow of this force the lines of flux, and it flows from south to north in all magnets.

The effect of the south pole of a magnet is physiologically determined, because the south pole of a magnet *receives* lines of flux. The lines of flux emanate *from* the north pole of a magnet, and it is this way with *every* magnet, no matter where you find it. This is a matter of physics. Thus, whenever you put two north poles together, they repel one another, and with two south poles each is trying to receive an energy that neither is radiating, so there is no force of attraction.

When you put a south and a north pole together, they attract because the lines of flux, or magnetic force, come from the north pole, and go directly into the south pole, strengthening the bond between the two. If the magnets are electro-energized (as in an inductor, or coil), then the magnetic effect is even more pronounced. This is one of the sources of the term, "rule of thumb."

So it is no different with male and female human beings. We also have energies that are specific to our genders. It is not because a woman cannot understand the teachings, it's because the energy of women is different from the energy of men, and the Lodge is intended to help men develop their psycho-spiritual character. Now, the argument could be made that in a Lodge of men, the female energy would be deleterious, and that in a Lodge of women, a male's energy would be deleterious, and that the work takes on a different energy with different results if you have a mixed Lodge. I believe that I probably agree with that more than I disagree.

There is a modern myth that women and men are equal. This is one of the biggest lies that has emerged in recent times. Some would be upset with my stating this, but that doesn't make it any less true. Equality is a mathematical concept, and there are no two human beings that are equal. However, there is a kind of equality that pertains to the inherent human value of each person. There is a social equality, in that sense. The social role assignment was anciently assigned with an acknowledgement and an understanding of where people's strengths were. From the remotest antiquity, there have been men's mysteries, and women's mysteries.
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To be continued in the next post...

posted September 03, 2011 10:24 AM            

The form of the Lodge is that there is a balance of feminine and masculine energies in terms of planetary assignments, physiological correspondences of the Officers, etc. A portion of the physical Lodge is assigned to the feminine energy, another to the masculine. The Work is intended to teach us to discern these energies within ourselves, and to learn by the use of certain processes (analogized as tools) to integrate and balance these energies to become effective human beings.

To be quite frank with you, too many Brothers and Sisters aren't yet of sufficient emotional maturity to able to be in the same vicinity with members of the opposite gender to retain focus on this kind of Work; the distraction factor is legendary in some quarters. I know that someone could perhaps take great exception to my saying that, but you and I have been around for a few years, and we both know of any number of examples of this that we've observed and the impact of this that we've independently discerned.

Perhaps if you would pick up _Medicine Woman_ by Lynn Andrews, you will see more directly where I am trying to point you. It's available at Amazon.com.

The women's Lodges that I know of, and the women Masons of my acquaintance, have no desire to have men work in their Lodges with them. They also have no desire to work in men's Lodges. This is why they have formed their own.

Several of the women Masons I know of are also Sisters of OES. I'm neither advocating nor recommending it, and I'm not saying anything else about it either, except that it is so; the fact of its existence. I state this as an observation, not as a judgment. Let everyone else judge for themselves, if judge they must. I have known of some of the negative comments and/or treatments, and my point of view is that basic courtesies ought to still prevail. We are known to be thus and so not by what we say, but by what we do.

If we are not capable of displaying the basic courtesy that every human being warrants simply because of their humanity, then all of our Masonry has not taught us much. I think that we're safe enough to do at least that much, since no lady Masons want to come into our Lodges, and no lady Masons are asking that we come into theirs. There are issues of territorial jurisdiction that some people would raise, but this question does not involve the particular territory that you might have otherwise considered them to be speaking of.

There are also issues of origin; issues of whether the Regius Manuscript actually has references to a time when there were female Masons, etc. The fact is that there are lady Masons in existence, some jurisdictions for longer than many of the mainstream or Prince Hall jurisdictions, or any of their derivatives. History is history; whether we accept its validity is another question.

Fraternally,

.·. Rashied ~

"Si Opus Quadratum vis, angulos praecidere noli..." (If you want Square Work, you don't cut corners...)

posted September 03, 2011 10:30 AM            

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Not female, feminine. Some people don't realize that there is a difference between female and feminine, or male and masculine. Their misfortune.

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**finally**

posted September 03, 2011 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Man, I don't know where to start with this now.

Well, the Eastern Star, as I understand is a secondary and later edition to the freemasons, set up for the purpose of educating (or occupying) the wives, sisters and daughters of male freemasons.

Keeping it in the family perhaps?
Or keeping the women happy, or quiet?

I really only see the eastern star as somewhat of an elastoplast.
A token, or trifle, if you like.
Or, even a red herring.

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Ah! That says more of where you are comming from than all your posts.

It reflects your belief system or perceived opinion of men and how they attempt to keep women "in line" rather than the reality behind the Orders, yes?

If that is your reality, then it is so for you and all the chit chat here about the feminine and masculine is moot

posted September 03, 2011 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Hey Rajji,

I've been a bit of a nob from the start of this thread (can I call myself a name??).
It's a volatile subject.

I'm pretty sure Lexx and iQ can sort out their differences.

We never know what is going on in someone's life, or what their past interactions with others are, so it's best to let them deal with it themselves

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For a matter of fact....If you read my post,
I just plainly stated my case.I did'nt plan to sort out any differences between any body.Neither did I accuse you or anybody here.I think I have the right to do so.
Many people here do that all the time in case of any discrepancies.

posted September 03, 2011 01:19 PM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
Lexx,there are many here who dont agree to each other.
But nobody goes about calling names at each other.
I dont see IQ anywhere insulting you at all.
It was first you who called him chauvinist for which he has clarified that he used it in relation to kundalini and how masons percieve and use that energy.
Even after that you go about accusing him for no fault of his..Im sorry..But there are many here who agree and understand that He is talking facts and not nonsensical whims or fancies of his. About Mother earth and its Functional Polarities tis but a fact with respect to this topic.
Your blatant accusations is beyond comprehension for all of us here who agree and understand to what he has to say and offer.

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That is your opinion he is talking facts.
That does not make all he said to be fact.
I was not calling him names.

As Voix_de_la_Mer said:

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I'm pretty sure Lexx and iQ can sort out their differences.

We never know what is going on in someone's life, or what their past interactions with others are, so it's best to let them deal with it themselves

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posted September 03, 2011 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Man, I don't know where to start with this now.

Well, the Eastern Star, as I understand is a secondary and later edition to the freemasons, set up for the purpose of educating (or occupying) the wives, sisters and daughters of male freemasons.

Keeping it in the family perhaps?
Or keeping the women happy, or quiet?

I really only see the eastern star as somewhat of an elastoplast.
A token, or trifle, if you like.
Or, even a red herring.

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posted September 03, 2011 04:51 PM            

How spiritually advanced..

Since it hasn't been mentioned.. it's really just the age we're in that there's this inequality. Back during the age of cancer and gemini we had the reverse issue. It's a cycle.

posted September 04, 2011 04:23 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Ah! That says more of where you are comming from than all your posts.

It reflects your belief system or perceived opinion of men and how they attempt to keep women "in line" rather than the reality behind the Orders, yes?

If that is your reality, then it is so for you and all the chit chat here about the feminine and masculine is moot

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OH wow no way Juniper! Haha.

This isn't about any belief system of mine - I hold very few, I don't tend to commit to any belief systems at all really - my beliefs are constantly changing.

My personal opinion of men is applied on an individual basis - I don't generalise in my head.

Like I said before, I am interested in the psychology behind the Freemasons division of men and women.
I am interested in THEIR belief system that leads to this.