posted September 04, 2011 04:29 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
@Voix--the below post is an article from a Respected Masonic Member.
Who states his case regarding
Women and Masonry-I guess the answer you are looking for is stated here clearly.
It also says the same that IQ has so specifically pointed out about Mother Earths influence of women in free masonry and its Magnetic Polarities!

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Thank you Rajji,

an interesting post.

posted September 05, 2011 02:11 AM            

that being said, i didnt notice that u are a mod at aqua age too.. shouldn’t have moved it!! sorry!

posted September 05, 2011 03:55 PM            

Truly a Thread for The Aquarian Age...
A Place in Time where the Consciously Evolved
raise their Sights beyond the Illusion we Live in
Seeking Mystically the answers cleverly coveted
by the Esoteric and Indoctrinated....
of Energy
and IT's use.

While most Organizations are just that...
organized... secular.... exclusive;
engaging people of like Minds
to unify in a common cause and belief system,
most organizations share the commonality of herding groups of people into a familiar safe haven where they feel comfortable based upon their lessons here on Earth and accepted to grow within that parameter.

Most often, many individuals who join such groups outgrow the need to be a part of any of them...
understanding the Power is within them and not in a building or a prayer group to find theses answers they seek.

The organization is, at first, a lure of familiarity and comfortability and then often becomes passe in the journey of One's Life....
moving onward and upward!

The shroud of mystery around any "secret society" is based on exclusion and familiarity.

The natural Core of any society knows this....
knowing most emotions
are derived from Love and fear....
each individual wants desperately
to be INcluded in it's realm or society....
not outcast or worse.....ostracized.

Every single action upon the awareness of knowing One exists.....is a reaction to this axiom.
(with the exception of Groucho Marx that is )

Simply put...no one wants to Be put out.

Freemasonry....is one of the most misunderstood and most convoluted organizations to grace the Earth. SInce most written history has been manipulated and rewritten by the "winners", most of the information we now received all belongs in the fiction department of Barnes and Noble....or wikipedia, where anyone can add their two cents.

Compiled with the fact, that "we live in interesting Times", these such organizations are at the forefront and helm of both Mass speculation and inquiry.

The truth of It is, most people,...especially most Masons, know NOT of the true intent of their purpose and membership.
Most, if not all the Brethren I know, are simple, God fearing, meat and potato men who enjoy the company of one another; taking in circles about the the few basic topics men discuss in their basic daily struggles to "survive" amongst one another.... money. health, power. sports....and of course money, health, power and did I say sports?

Those who are drawn to the Craft are of a Good nature, Questing illuminated Humans who seek beyond the confines of their small world to seek and
find "the Light" while helping out others along their Way and within their means; particularly other Brothers...and of course, their families (which include the wives, children and parents)

This basic foundation and premise
covers mostly ALL the Masons you know,
who have entered the Lodge as men and became Master Masons of the 3rd degree.

They are simple men with basic needs and contrite understandings of what is right and what is wrong.
Most care not to pursue beyond this degree and are comfortable "belonging" .... doing what they did before....with all their precepts and fallibility's
but now a "member" and a "brother".

That being said, to address this Thread...
one must look deeper into the rabbit hole to answer the question of why is the Craft segregated by sex?

I often used to wonder why the nuns lived in a convent and the priests in a rectory at school?

Having a hard time wrapping my mind around the catholic celibacy and the protestant ministers down the street with their wives and 8 kids....I am prone to believe IT is an "Energy" and Kundalini purpose, as stated earlier here.

Once I was told by a very high ranking Member,
"that Energy travels in a Circle....
within One's Self (as in Chakra/Kundalini) and between One's own Other(as in same sex), when connected in Body (hand) or in Mind (prayer)."

The Serpent eating One's own tail.
Perpetual Energy.

However, when the Energy is shared between opposites, as in Male/Female,
(whether IT Be meditation or intercourse),
the Energy crosses and completes
forming the Eternity Symbol or "8"....
lessening IT's Power but perpetuating IT's existence.

I am confident that this Knowledge has been coveted and suppressed to the profane Masses since Antiquity, for one reason or another...
but is now coming to Light and awareness to the Higher Minded and Consciously Evolved Mystes all around Us.

For IF you are inquiring....You all ready Know!

Pay no Mind
to the daily trappings of the simple Earthlings
who raise conjecture in the name of ignorance.
There is no Time and Space for that now.

Soon
We will All see that Light
that has All Ways
been hiding
right there in front of Us....
As If
we were opening our I's for the First Time
and finding Each Other in our gaze.

There is no difference between any One.
Only reasons to find them.

posted September 05, 2011 05:17 PM            

As eloquently as I`ve ever heard it said on a forum

posted September 06, 2011 04:29 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Chahldean:
Halo All

Truly a Thread for The Aquarian Age...
A Place in Time where the Consciously Evolved
raise their Sights beyond the Illusion we Live in
Seeking Mystically the answers cleverly coveted
by the Esoteric and Indoctrinated....
of Energy
and IT's use.

While most Organizations are just that...
organized... secular.... exclusive;
engaging people of like Minds
to unify in a common cause and belief system,
most organizations share the commonality of herding groups of people into a familiar safe haven where they feel comfortable based upon their lessons here on Earth and accepted to grow within that parameter.

Most often, many individuals who join such groups outgrow the need to be a part of any of them...
understanding the Power is within them and not in a building or a prayer group to find theses answers they seek.

The organization is, at first, a lure of familiarity and comfortability and then often becomes passe in the journey of One's Life....
moving onward and upward!

The shroud of mystery around any "secret society" is based on exclusion and familiarity.

The natural Core of any society knows this....
knowing most emotions
are derived from Love and fear....
each individual wants desperately
to be INcluded in it's realm or society....
not outcast or worse.....ostracized.

Every single action upon the awareness of knowing One exists.....is a reaction to this axiom.
(with the exception of Groucho Marx that is )

Simply put...no one wants to Be put out.

Freemasonry....is one of the most misunderstood and most convoluted organizations to grace the Earth. SInce most written history has been manipulated and rewritten by the "winners", most of the information we now received all belongs in the fiction department of Barnes and Noble....or wikipedia, where anyone can add their two cents.

Compiled with the fact, that "we live in interesting Times", these such organizations are at the forefront and helm of both Mass speculation and inquiry.

The truth of It is, most people,...especially most Masons, know NOT of the true intent of their purpose and membership.
Most, if not all the Brethren I know, are simple, God fearing, meat and potato men who enjoy the company of one another; taking in circles about the the few basic topics men discuss in their basic daily struggles to "survive" amongst one another.... money. health, power. sports....and of course money, health, power and did I say sports?

Those who are drawn to the Craft are of a Good nature, Questing illuminated Humans who seek beyond the confines of their small world to seek and
find "the Light" while helping out others along their Way and within their means; particularly other Brothers...and of course, their families (which include the wives, children and parents)

This basic foundation and premise
covers mostly ALL the Masons you know,
who have entered the Lodge as men and became Master Masons of the 3rd degree.

They are simple men with basic needs and contrite understandings of what is right and what is wrong.
Most care not to pursue beyond this degree and are comfortable "belonging" .... doing what they did before....with all their precepts and fallibility's
but now a "member" and a "brother".

That being said, to address this Thread...
one must look deeper into the rabbit hole to answer the question of why is the Craft segregated by sex?

I often used to wonder why the nuns lived in a convent and the priests in a rectory at school?

Having a hard time wrapping my mind around the catholic celibacy and the protestant ministers down the street with their wives and 8 kids....I am prone to believe IT is an "Energy" and Kundalini purpose, as stated earlier here.

Once I was told by a very high ranking Member,
"that Energy travels in a Circle....
within One's Self (as in Chakra/Kundalini) and between One's own Other(as in same sex), when connected in Body (hand) or in Mind (prayer)."

The Serpent eating One's own tail.
Perpetual Energy.

However, when the Energy is shared between opposites, as in Male/Female,
(whether IT Be meditation or intercourse),
the Energy crosses and completes
forming the Eternity Symbol or "8"....
lessening IT's Power but perpetuating IT's existence.

I am confident that this Knowledge has been coveted and suppressed to the profane Masses since Antiquity, for one reason or another...
but is now coming to Light and awareness to the Higher Minded and Consciously Evolved Mystes all around Us.

For IF you are inquiring....You all ready Know!

Pay no Mind
to the daily trappings of the simple Earthlings
who raise conjecture in the name of ignorance.
There is no Time and Space for that now.

Soon
We will All see that Light
that has All Ways
been hiding
right there in front of Us....
As If
we were opening our I's for the First Time
and finding Each Other in our gaze.

There is no difference between any One.
Only reasons to find them.

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Hello Chaldean,

Yes, I understand the community mentality of the group.
I do not think that freemasons are bad people.

But I wonder what your opinion is on my original question - what do you believe to be the purpose of the separation of gender in freemasonry?

posted September 06, 2011 10:57 AM            

The Golden Dawn system was based on hierarchy and initiation like the Masonic Lodges, however women were admitted on an equal basis with men. The "Golden Dawn" was the first of three Orders, although all three are often collectively referred to as the "Golden Dawn". The First Order taught esoteric philosophy based on the Hermetic Qabalah and personal development through study and awareness of the four Classical Elements as well as the basics of astrology, tarot divination, and geomancy. The Second or "Inner" Order, the Rosae Rubeae et Aureae Crucis (the Ruby Rose and Cross of Gold), taught proper magic, including scrying, astral travel, and alchemy. The Third Order was that of the "Secret Chiefs", who were said to be highly skilled.

quote:

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Originally posted by Chahldean:
..or wikipedia

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posted September 06, 2011 11:23 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:

But I wonder what your opinion is on my original question - what do you believe to be the purpose of the separation of gender in freemasonry?

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this:

quote:

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"that Energy travels in a Circle....
within One's Self (as in Chakra/Kundalini) and between One's own Other(as in same sex), when connected in Body (hand) or in Mind (prayer)."

The Serpent eating One's own tail.
Perpetual Energy.

However, when the Energy is shared between opposites, as in Male/Female,
(whether IT Be meditation or intercourse),
the Energy crosses and completes
forming the Eternity Symbol or "8"....
lessening IT's Power but perpetuating IT's existence.

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for the record, it is not completely accurate that no woman has been allowed to become a freemason... i was told by a member of our local lodge that a woman was entered into the lodge as a full member after displaying intimate knowledge of the rituals and understanding... it's also not accurate that any man can become a member...( i believe that was mentioned somewhere )

posted September 06, 2011 05:30 PM            

Juni LEXX Mochai IQ & EmeraldOpal
Thank You for YOUR posts all ways. I read them all.

Voix~

I am pleased to hear your impression of Mason's
is not derogatory; as most of the "profane" people
in the Whirled are now Awakening!...
and are dis-Eased by it's content and
state of Grace...
or lack thereof. ;(

Certainly there is a Force
ferverously at work here...
that seems to favor
a few over the many
and hiding itself in plane Sight
blinding Us All
to it's True Intent and Purepose.

This covert Mystery and many others...
are "veiled in secrecy and symbolism"
and hidden....even from it's own members!

A Questing Mystical man
whom seeks Truth and Learning
applies and admits himself
as a laborer or a "rough ashlar."
A Stone to Be created and perfected for "Use."
In his own circumference and the World at large.
In his Quest for such Knowledge and perfection,
the transformation or" transfiguration"
is achieved only through hard work and a LifeTime.
This Path is certainly not for everyone
who walks the Earth....as we look around Us...
we see the mindless "sheeple"
who never ask such things! and live Life
as contently.....as those who Quest.

Masonry is a Ladder....
which takes a mortal man
in his simplest state of darkness (ignorance)
and raises his consciousness
to an elevated Place of "Light"...
where IT is connected to the Divine.

Quite like the early mason laborers of Antiquity
who dedicated many years of labor to learn
the trade and craft so as to travel from place to place,
"freely and accepted" to earn their wages as
Master Masons and build the early edifices
we still see standing today.
It was and still is a process...
where most, if not All Masons, are speculative
rather than operative today.

This Organization
which encompasses many other philanthropic groups
including the Knights of Columbus
and many more
has had it's tenets and borrowed and copied by
almost all of the organizations we know of...
For, at It's Core....this Force has the Power
to transcend mortality and man's experience of Life here in this dimension and connect this consciousness with the One.

Again, having had written history around for such a brief part of our existence, Masonry has certainly been changed by the members that are involved in it.
Throughout Time,
quite like most organized re-legions,
the Feminine aspect of Homo Sapiens nature
has been hidden and suppressed for one reason or another....
Most likely because the real Power lies within the ability to precreate and the continuance of Life.
Everyone that walks the Earth
comes FROM A WOMAN.

As I stated earlier...
we know all emotions arise from Love and fear.
The emotions that derive from Love are obvious.
We splender in them!
We relish Love as Humans with our innate compassion
for each One and other.
However, we also fear what we do not know...
and this fear is as powerful and crippling to our progress and evolution as Love is enhancing.

One bad apple spoils the bunch they say.

Perhaps at some point during it's history
some mortal achieved this information
of the "Phallus and the Grail "
and decided to covet ans suppress IT
from those less worthy....
in their I's
to such the extent as we see today.

Quite like the papacy....
forgoing women in the church...
where Magdalene, Mary and many others
got a back seat, hidden in obscurity for 20 centuries.
Only to be resurrected
in the Aquarian Age of Androgyne and
Complete Self Enlightenment
embracing both polarities of our Nature
In Tune with Each Other.

The Truth, like Love,
cannot be contained or concealed.

In Time, we All will know IT All.

That Time may Be Now.

posted September 06, 2011 06:00 PM            

As much as I am inclined to believe a woman
was "entered into the lodge as a full member based upon her knowledge of the rituals and understanding" I am sure she was not "raised" as a Master MasonThird degree in a formal Meeting and ritual in itself. To date, that discourse is left exclusively for men, as far as I know, in every Temple in every county,state and country.

I n regards to "any" man becoming a Mason, that is True. Not every man can become a Mason. There are parameters that are followed and strictly abided by.

All of this information
is readily available to those who seek it....

posted September 06, 2011 06:39 PM            

You Re-Mind me of Opt-Mystic...

I prefer Lotus=UsLot better, I had
to make up that name to get back in,
hehe

There is a reason Women have been left
Out..U C..it's the real Mystery of
M O M...
Mind Over Matter. ...

Man has yet to realize,
that the Feminine Essence is Superior...
Unconditional LOve..
I do not say this, saying we are better..
for we are not, we are ALL equal, but,
Through the Female, Male will find His
True-Self, and if he'd just let her in..
He would Master Him-Self, through her
eyes, her vision, her LOve, and Light...
Magic!

This missing component..Mother, Woman, daughter is the KEY!

In the name of the Father the son, and the Holy Ghost, she's the MOst!

Lock and Key...

Open the Door!

posted September 07, 2011 01:19 AM            

They Excluded, Omitted the Truth,
and did not acknowledge the Mother
Principle, she's Principal too!, be-
cause she's Our Pal, that's how I use
to re-member the difference, the principal
is your pal, lol, silly, anyway...

We'd be so much further along, if this
Simple Truth was acknowledged..
You can't have a Father, without a Mother
and etc.
The Universal Laws are Immutable..
you get what you give..
This Simple Truth Hidden along with
Mother God, in the Sphinx

What a Wonderful, BEaUtiful World
this could be...

and it's up to ALL of Us...

Transformation
Understanding, Knowledge
Wisdom

Full-Serpent-Seven-Circle. ....

posted September 07, 2011 05:05 AM            

Ahh, so it could be said that freemasonry has adopted the concept of spiritual 'building' of the man, from the skill of practical building with materials. Interesting.

Or, perhaps the two were always one, yet somehow those at the top of the hierarcy are now those who have built themselves in a spiritual sense, and those at the bottom are the 'labourers' so to speak.

You say much of this information is readily available, but my issue with 'readily available information' is that it is often opinion and theory - that's not to say that opinion and theory, if intelligently researched and obtained, does not have merit, but I feel I have to be wary of groups that state they are both transparent and secret at the same time, which the freemasons are notorious for.

One cannot be secret and transparent at the same time. And although the masons themselves have offered muich information on forums, or websites, or leaflets, there is still much information they will openly state, if asked, that they cannot tell you.

Partial truth is purely manipulation IMHO.
Used by governing bodies, religious and political institutions for centuries.

posted September 07, 2011 05:12 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Emeraldopal:
Chahldean,

You Re-Mind me of Opt-Mystic...

I prefer Lotus=UsLot better, I had
to make up that name to get back in,
hehe

There is a reason Women have been left
Out..U C..it's the real Mystery of
M O M...
Mind Over Matter. ...

Man has yet to realize,
that the Feminine Essence is Superior...
Unconditional LOve..
I do not say this, saying we are better..
for we are not, we are ALL equal, but,
Through the Female, Male will find His
True-Self, and if he'd just let her in..
He would Master Him-Self, through her
eyes, her vision, her LOve, and Light...
Magic!

This missing component..Mother, Woman, daughter is the KEY!

In the name of the Father the son, and the Holy Ghost, she's the MOst!

Lock and Key...

Open the Door!

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Emeraldopal,

I am interested on what basis you believe that the feminine is superior to the masculine?

posted September 07, 2011 05:17 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mochai:
The guy that I knew who was most into masonry was the most sexist man I ever met. It was admittedly his second incarnation and when I brought up incarnating as a woman, he made it sound as if it were something vile and he would never be a woman.

How spiritually advanced..

Since it hasn't been mentioned.. it's really just the age we're in that there's this inequality. Back during the age of cancer and gemini we had the reverse issue. It's a cycle.

I also always wonder about the ancient egyptian mystery schools relating to Horus losing his left eye.. if that has anything to do with feminine energies and fighting Seth etc.. with the imbalance and destruction of the planet and the perpetuation of backwards perceptions through either the Lucifer soul group or the wolves we're set out amongst.. being a catalyzing forces symbolically shown in their battle. If that's a stupid question I'm sorry my brain's been in a funk. Anyone have any esoteric insight?

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Mochai,

that is an interesting observation you make about the astrological age we are in.
Leading on from that though, if we are truly in Aquarius, then shouldn't equality be at the forefront? Or perhaps this surgence in the striving for equality is characteristic of being in Aquarius?

I think some think we are still in Pisces, but Pisces is feminine is it not, so that wouldn't make sense?

posted September 07, 2011 06:08 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mochai:
I also always wonder about the ancient egyptian mystery schools relating to Horus losing his left eye.. if that has anything to do with feminine energies and fighting Seth etc.. with the imbalance and destruction of the planet and the perpetuation of backwards perceptions through either the Lucifer soul group or the wolves we're set out amongst.. being a catalyzing forces symbolically shown in their battle. If that's a stupid question I'm sorry my brain's been in a funk. Anyone have any esoteric insight?

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Edit to add:

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer :
Are you sure it was in this thread Lexx?
I know Ami has began a discussion on asteroids that point to sadism, and Lucifer is being discussed in that thread.

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posted September 07, 2011 06:13 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by LEXX:
Sigh
I see Lucifer mentioned as the bad guy, or did I read that wrong?
For more on Lucifer see:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000214.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000010.html

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posted September 07, 2011 11:23 AM            

there is no male or female,
without a MOther and Father..
Both are needed to Create
Life,
Mom, carries life, and gives
birth, Dad can't do that!

Linda writes in Gooberz about
the Feminine essence being superior!
MOM is very special!