posted June 29, 2015 07:44 AM              

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

I agree. Also, moon square moon.

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I have to disagree with this, I've experienced it twice, and saw it in synastries. It's a great aspect if your Moon likes hard aspects, in other words, if the Moon requires modality partners.

Any Moon Moon aspect is in fact, very good. It shows there is a very strong emotional connection, a synchronized movement. It has its down moments, such as both being down at the same time (happens mostly with the conjunction though). The more dynamic aspects are more...well dynamic lol.
In this case, for instance, with the square, when one is a new moon phase, the other is in waning or waxing quarter. So emotionally, the new moon can cheer up the waning person, or the crescent can emotionally sustain/protect the new moon person.

They share the same modality values (for instance, they're both mutable moons), they have similarity but also a different way of meeting these values, on the emotional plane, but there is always emotional communication and synchronization with a Moon/Moon aspect.

The important thing with aspects, just like in this case, is to have the right one. If one has only a trine to their Moon in their natal chart, their Moon doesn't like a modal partner (hard aspects), but an elemental partner. (trines and sextiles to their Moon). This person for instance will most likely not be very attracted or like a Moon/Moon conjunction either, romantically speaking.

But overall, Moon Moon aspects are usually a blessing, no matter the aspect. When the Moon aspect is not someone you are attracted to, romantically, fitting your romantic profile, it will be a good friendship aspect.

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posted June 29, 2015 02:52 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I have to disagree with this, I've experienced it twice, and saw it in synastries. It's a great aspect if your Moon likes hard aspects, in other words, if the Moon requires modality partners.

Any Moon Moon aspect is in fact, very good. It shows there is a very strong emotional connection, a synchronized movement. It has its down moments, such as both being down at the same time (happens mostly with the conjunction though). The more dynamic aspects are more...well dynamic lol.
In this case, for instance, with the square, when one is a new moon phase, the other is in waning or waxing quarter. So emotionally, the new moon can cheer up the waning person, or the crescent can emotionally sustain/protect the new moon person.

They share the same modality values (for instance, they're both mutable moons), they have similarity but also a different way of meeting these values, on the emotional plane, but there is always emotional communication and synchronization with a Moon/Moon aspect.

The important thing with aspects, just like in this case, is to have the right one. If one has only a trine to their Moon in their natal chart, their Moon doesn't like a modal partner (hard aspects), but an elemental partner. (trines and sextiles to their Moon). This person for instance will most likely not be very attracted or like a Moon/Moon conjunction either, romantically speaking.

But overall, Moon Moon aspects are usually a blessing, no matter the aspect. When the Moon aspect is not someone you are attracted to, romantically, fitting your romantic profile, it will be a good friendship aspect.

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I have read that with the hard aspects, including the conjunction, domestics are more likely. I don't know about you, but I don't like violence in my home.

The home is the one place where there should be harmony and you can just relax. I argued your exact position with Ami Anne before because I lived with two men I had the square with. That is something I would never do again. I can attribute a good 75% of the problems with my ex specifically to our moon sign differences.

Sun sign differences can be good because we need personal growth in our quest for self-actualization. But when we're not growing and making our way in the world, we need at least one place to just be nourished and not have to forge. I agree with this interpretation: http://sasstrology.com/2012/09/lunar-love-a-look-at-moon-sign-compatibility.html

posted June 29, 2015 03:20 PM              

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

I have read that with the hard aspects, including the conjunction, domestics are more likely. I don't know about you, but I don't like violence in my home.

The home is the one place where there should be harmony and you can just relax. I argued your exact position with Ami Anne before because I lived with two men I had the square with. That is something I would never do again. I can attribute a good 75% of the problems with my ex specifically to our moon sign differences.

Sun sign differences can be good because we need personal growth in our quest for self-actualization. But when we're not growing and making our way in the world, we need at least one place to just be nourished and not have to forge. I agree with this interpretation: http://sasstrology.com/2012/09/lunar-love-a-look-at-moon-sign-compatibility.html

In fact I'd go so far as to say it's downright irresponsible to prescribe hard moon aspects, you're setting someone up to be in a position where they will be miserable and possibly trapped because they live with the person and there's a certain amount of codependency there as a result of that.

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Aren't we cranky!

...and the "downright irresponsible" me is telling you that Moons in square are not "different", they share the same modality.

When it comes to Moons, no one understands better the emotionality and needs of an Aqua Moon for instance other than:

1. another air moon

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2. another fixed moon

These are the two kind of people understanding an Aqua Moon the best possible way.

The same goes for any other Moon: no one understands better a mutable Moon than another mutable Moon + their own element.

When it comes to the sign energy of our planets, half of it comes from the element, the other comes from the modality.

I am as much fire as I am fixed, neither prevails.

To this, you add house + aspects energy.

If let's say you have an Aqua Moon in the 2nd house opposite something, or just in this sign/house config, you can bet this Aqua Moon is more fixed than airy and will totally vibe with another fixed Moon.

It's more than likely the conflicts you experienced come from other sources in the synastry/natal, than the Moon aspect. You can post the charts and we can try to figure it out. We usually repeat patterns, until we solve certain challenges, such as attraction towards a certain type. Do you have aspects of conflict/ potential violence in your natal chart? were there any Mars/Pluto or Mars/Mercury in there? did you have unaspected planets (or the partner)? did you have unaspected/poorly aspected Mercuries?
If it did come from the Moon lol, although as I said, Moon aspects are good in my experience, any and all of them, it was because your Moon doesn't like hard aspects: what are the aspects to your Moon?

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posted June 29, 2015 06:27 PM            

Moon square moon? It really depends what else is aspecting the moons. I disagree about modality offering compatibility because what comforts one moon clashes with the other moon. Rather, it is a matter of aspects.

This all extends from myself. I have Pisces moon. If a Sagittarius moon activates my fire grand trine and conjuncts my jupiter, there is incentive to get along. My saturn and moon would still be irked however and I would not live with this person and see them in my personal space. Friends? Sure.

Gemini moon however? Not enough incentive. My step-father is a gemini moon. He's rarely heard from me (we live in the same house lol) and he's accepted that.

posted June 29, 2015 06:43 PM              

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Originally posted by Iced8Ace:
Sun square Saturn. Or my mothers cardinal grand cross sq my Sun. She has Pluto, Saturn and Mars all square my Sun. I have a very well aspected Sun so this configuration is beyond hell.

Moon square moon? It really depends what else is aspecting the moons. I disagree about modality offering compatibility because what comforts one moon clashes with the other moon. Rather, it is a matter of aspects.

This all extends from myself. I have Pisces moon. If a Sagittarius moon activates my fire grand trine and conjuncts my jupiter, there is incentive to get along. My saturn and moon would still be irked however and I would not live with this person and see them in my personal space. Friends? Sure.

Gemini moon however? Not enough incentive. My step-father is a gemini moon. He's rarely heard from me (we live in the same house lol) and he's accepted that.

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What aspects does your Moon make? And what is its house?

How can it clash when they share the same mutable values? What comforts a Pisces Moon is: water + mutable values/needs.

As obvious from my other posts, I don't think elements are stronger than modalities. They both count. Equally. That's why I have always found this theory: compatible means ONLY in the same element as silly, compatible means "trine". Trines and squares in synastry have equal compatibility value, it all depends on a complex of factors.

It's very simplistic, outdated astrology, IMO, to consider two Moons as compatible simply because they share the same element, and discard everything else.

For example it is a known fact that fixed people only get along with other fixed people, or at least they can only understand each other when it comes to values and core needs. Mutables may seem too flighty, cardinal too bossy.

About your Moon examples...they also have to be IN ASPECT, this matters a lot. Aspects means moving in sync, receiving the same transits. Two Moons in sync, no matter the aspect, is a big deal in a synastry, positive, no matter the aspect.

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posted June 29, 2015 07:12 PM            

THANK YOU for speaking on the positives of Moon-Moon hard aspects!!!!

I've seen this aspect being bashed a lot of times, and while it can cause contrast, its also an indicator of connecting deeply, in my experience. Because an aspect is still an aspect, therefore the two Moons are in a relationship of sorts.

I don't feel this alone can be so bad that it breaks apart a relationship.

I have this with two of my best friends and sure, we've had our times of tension, but we always came back together more tighter than before and relationship is sweeter than ever.

posted June 29, 2015 07:31 PM              

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Originally posted by Neptunian Venus:
LeeLoo,

THANK YOU for speaking on the positives of Moon-Moon hard aspects!!!!

I've seen this aspect being bashed a lot of times, and while it can cause contrast, its also an indicator of connecting deeply, in my experience. Because an aspect is still an aspect, therefore the two Moons are in a relationship of sorts.

I don't feel this alone can be so bad that it breaks apart a relationship.

I have this with two of my best friends and sure, we've had our times of tension, but we always came back together more tighter than before and relationship is sweeter than ever.

They both have Aries Moon tightly square my Cancer Moon, but my Moon is conjunct Mars. Maybe that's why it works for us.

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You're welcome and thank you too Excellent example! a Martian Moon perfectly sync-ing with the fellow Cardinal Aries.

I don't base my theory on personal examples only, but in my case, this happens too.

I have Leo Moon in a very tight fixed cross with MC/IC and Lilith in the 1st house. The other aspects to my Moon are sextile Mercury and a wide Neptune trine.

The most common Moons in my circle of friends/lovers, the people I best get along with are: Aqua Moon and Scorpio Moon. Second place (statistically): Pisces Moon (opp my Sun) and Virgo Moon (conj my Sun). I do get along with other fire Moons, on a casual level, but interestingly enough, I don't have these Moons as old friends of many years. I suppose they need a strong fixed and/or Plutonian element for that. BTW, all Pisces and Virgo Moons have strong Puto and/or fixed in their chart (such as Scorpio Venus, ASC, Taurus Sun etc.). All my long-term friends also have strong Pluto, but that's another story.

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posted June 29, 2015 07:34 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What aspects does your Moon make? And what is its house?

How can it clash when they share the same mutable values? What comforts a Pisces Moon is: water + mutable values/needs.

As obvious from my other posts, I don't think elements are stronger than modalities. They both count. Equally. That's why I have always found this theory: compatible means ONLY in the same element as silly, compatible means "trine". Trines and squares in synastry have equal compatibility value, it all depends on a complex of factors.

It's very simplistic, outdated astrology, IMO, to consider two Moons as compatible simply because they share the same element, and discard everything else.

For example it is a known fact that fixed people only get along with other fixed people, or at least they can only understand each other when it comes to values and core needs. Mutables may seem too flighty, cardinal too bossy.

About your Moon examples...they also have to be IN ASPECT, this matters a lot. Aspects means moving in sync, receiving the same transits. Two Moons in sync, no matter the aspect, is a big deal in a synastry, positive, no matter the aspect.

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7th house moon conjunct saturn, quincunx mars, square jupiter, opposite ASC.

All the examples I've given aspect my moon.

There is a lack of needing to compromise with the trine, and a sense of ease, provided the trine is unafflicted. If the squares receives many supportive aspects, there can be a sense of ease there too. I don't think that's too complex. No actual astrologer (as far as I know) gives advice based on one aspect. However if there is only a SINGLE aspect (moon-moon square for instance) between both moons, we will regard their emotional interaction as incompatible because there's not more to balance it out. Also depends on what is happening in each natal chart and how each moon is aspected.

posted June 29, 2015 07:42 PM              

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Originally posted by Iced8Ace:
7th house moon conjunct saturn, quincunx mars, square jupiter, opposite ASC.

All the examples I've given aspect my moon.

There is a lack of needing to compromise with the trine, and a sense of ease, provided the trine is unafflicted. If the squares receives many supportive aspects, there can be a sense of ease there too. I don't think that's too complex. No actual astrologer (as far as I know) gives advice based on one aspect. However if there is only a SINGLE aspect (moon-moon square for instance) between both moons, we will regard their emotional interaction as incompatible because there's not more to balance it out. Also depends on what is happening in each natal chart and how each moon is aspected.

The modes are not compatible because their elements are incompatible. I say this with squares only. Being "stubborn" i.e fixed is even less compatible because their values are not similar. Modality is not about values but a way of being towards the signs values, imo.

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That's because you consider the square as being an "affliction". IMO, this is a medieval view still perpetuated today based on the principle that certain numbers are "bad", that cross means pain and the devil and trine means "ease" and the angel.

I've never embraced this view, there are no malefic numbers in mathematics and no malefic geometry, so we will have to agree to disagree on this one

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posted June 29, 2015 07:46 PM              

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Originally posted by Iced8Ace:
7th house moon conjunct saturn, quincunx mars, square jupiter, opposite ASC.

All the examples I've given aspect my moon.

There is a lack of needing to compromise with the trine, and a sense of ease, provided the trine is unafflicted. If the squares receives many supportive aspects, there can be a sense of ease there too. I don't think that's too complex. No actual astrologer (as far as I know) gives advice based on one aspect. However if there is only a SINGLE aspect (moon-moon square for instance) between both moons, we will regard their emotional interaction as incompatible because there's not more to balance it out. Also depends on what is happening in each natal chart and how each moon is aspected.

The modes are not compatible because their elements are incompatible. I say this with squares only. Being "stubborn" i.e fixed is even less compatible because their values are not similar. Modality is not about values but a way of being towards the signs values, imo.

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Actually, the best compatible Moon for you, IMO, is mutable, especially Gemini and Sag (if they have strong 10th house, Cap or Saturn) or Cap/10th house Moon or someone with Venus/Saturn or Sun or Moon to Saturn.
I'm sure you must have some of those in your closest circle of friends.

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posted June 29, 2015 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That's because you consider the square as being an "affliction". IMO, this is a medieval view still perpetuated today based on the principle that certain numbers are "bad", that cross means pain and the devil and trine means "ease" and the angel.

I've never embraced this view, there are no malefic numbers in mathematics and no malefic geometry, so we will have to agree to disagree on this one

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Yes, because there is surely nothing bad in people's interactions, is there...?

Agree to disagree, but may I suggest you add in your readings that you see trines and squares as being the same? It's only fair.

posted June 29, 2015 08:00 PM              

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Originally posted by Iced8Ace:

Agree to disagree, but may I suggest you add in your readings that you see trines and squares as being the same? It's only fair.

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It's always added, I've been on this barricade since the beginning what do you think happens? you think they banish me for loving squares as much as trines?

You know, this is true, the Sun is actually the most important clue about the kind of Moon you need.

EDIT: and Pisces IS a mutable Moon
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posted June 29, 2015 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It's always added, I've been on this barricade since the beginning what do you think happens? you think they banish me for loving squares as much as trines?

You know, this is true, the Sun is actually the most important clue about the kind of Moon you need.

EDIT: and Pisces IS a mutable Moon

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Some people don't subscribe to things they're unable to understand, simply. You stated your brand of astrology is different so I made no assumptions.

Many things could go against that idea.

posted June 29, 2015 08:31 PM              

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Originally posted by Iced8Ace:
Some people don't subscribe to things they're unable to understand, simply. You stated your brand of astrology is different so I made no assumptions.

Many things could go against that idea.

"I'm not really close to mutable moons" because attraction doesn't always amount to anything. I was denying the "Gem and Sag moons" are compatible bit.

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Oh, I remember you now we had the same patter on the Mars/Saturn thread: you are one of those who need to have the last word. I will leave you this silly pleasure, I am in a generous mood, the Venus/Jupiter conjunction sits on my Moon now And my "brand of astrology" is contemporary-avant-garde as opposed to Middle Ages astrology.

I just wanted to clarify what I meant, about your contradicting yourself: your best match, based on your geometry, is another mutable Moon. No wonder Pisces is the Moon you say you get along with, it's because of it being mutable.

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posted June 29, 2015 08:44 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That's because you consider the square as being an "affliction". IMO, this is a medieval view still perpetuated today based on the principle that certain numbers are "bad", that cross means pain and the devil and trine means "ease" and the angel.

I've never embraced this view, there are no malefic numbers in mathematics and no malefic geometry, so we will have to agree to disagree on this one

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Okay, which do you find more often in the synastry of long-term couples, lots of trines or lots of squares? Or would it come to a draw?

posted June 29, 2015 09:08 PM              

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Originally posted by Neptunian Venus:
LeeLoo,

THANK YOU for speaking on the positives of Moon-Moon hard aspects!!!!

I've seen this aspect being bashed a lot of times, and while it can cause contrast, its also an indicator of connecting deeply, in my experience. Because an aspect is still an aspect, therefore the two Moons are in a relationship of sorts.

I don't feel this alone can be so bad that it breaks apart a relationship.

I have this with two of my best friends and sure, we've had our times of tension, but we always came back together more tighter than before and relationship is sweeter than ever.

They both have Aries Moon tightly square my Cancer Moon, but my Moon is conjunct Mars. Maybe that's why it works for us.

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If you value the friendships, DO NOT live with either of these people.

posted June 29, 2015 09:24 PM              

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Originally posted by page one:
Okay, which do you find more often in the synastry of long-term couples, lots of trines or lots of squares? Or would it come to a draw?

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Well, the "Moon connection", also called the "compatible Moons" by some astrologers (to describe a trine or sextile) is not the first thing I check, since I haven't found it to be relevant, when it comes to aspects. It's the Sun/Moon connection I check first and the Moon connection as a complex result of sign/house/aspects (Moon type, VERY important to identify someone's emotional and basic needs).
Not many couples have an actual Moon/Moon aspect, but I believe those who have it experience a deep connection; it's generally a very beneficial connection. Even if it shows some contrast, as Neptunian Venus said, in the case of hard aspects, this contrast is soon integrated in a positive way and the attraction is immense, with an actual aspect (if this aspect is according to natal needs).

I would probably do your comparison looking at hard (modality aspect) vs. soft (elemental aspect). And I did this comparison and it obviously was a draw.

Let's see, with a few examples

Wallis/Edward
Moon quincunx (not in aspect, more like a BQ)

Camilla/Charles
Moon sextile (not in aspect, Q I think)

Eva/Juan
Moon Q

Rita/Tom Hanks
Moon conj

Goldie/Kurt
adjacent Moons (semisextile, not in aspect)

Marie/Pierre
Moon trine (but in sesquis)

Zeta/Michael
Moon square (tight) but OOS, so it has a sextile energy - if his TOB is exact

Iman/Bowie
Moon sextile or Q

Jessie/Don
Moon opp

jennifer/ben Affleck
Moon quincunx, Scorpio and Gem (sesquis)

Meryl/Don Gummer
Moons sq, possibly in aspect

Clooney/Amal
semisextile, additional signs

Linda/Paul
Moon sq, tight

Annette/Warren
additional signs, no aspect, she is a possible Scorpio Moon though, like him

Trudie/Sting
Moon trine, possible aspect

Mark Harmon/Pam
Moon sq, possible aspect

Beckhams
additional signs, but possible same Moon, no aspect

Fullers
Moon trine, possible aspect

Dali/Gala
Moon trine, no aspect

Lennons
Moon sextile, no aspect

Liz/Dick
Moon sextile, it looks Oob

Lilian/Bertil
Moon sextile, in orb

elizabeth/robert
Moon in wide opp

lauren/Bogie
Moon opp, maybe in aspect

Newmans
OOS conj, additional signs

Brangelina
Moon sq, big orb

my parents had an out of orb fixed square as well

This is a good sample, it reflects my anonymous database as well.

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posted June 29, 2015 09:31 PM              

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posted June 29, 2015 09:32 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I've seen some of these be very yummy if the rest of the synastry isn't too bad. Hehe

Saturn is an old man that spoils the fun if aspecting wrong. Not that he's bad but not the most joyful fella to have in synastry.
I've had it square Venus. I've been on both sides.

What about mars conjunct Saturn?
I was Saturn. How do you think mars views Saturn in that case?

I pursued and they DEFINITELY seemed quite receptive!!
They just wouldn't ever "close the deal".

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i have this in synastry...my natal mars is conjunct my partner's saturn in the 3rd house. how did you feel about being saturn?? how did you see mars? would looooooove to know i feel this aspect is like glue to me. i also have my natal saturn conjunct my partner's DRACO saturn in the 5th.

posted June 29, 2015 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
And, BTW, there aren't many Moon trines in couples, it's a misconception. You find Moon trines in friendships and family members.

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i have moon trines with my partner hahaha! I'm the venus =) my venus trines my partner's sun & moon. hehe! =) but i don't have moon trine moon, just moon opposite moon 5 degree orb.