posted July 03, 2015 11:47 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Your Moon is on my list, Faith, top shelf, but you can come too.

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posted July 03, 2015 11:55 AM              

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted July 03, 2015 11:58 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:

Thanks Lee. I also get along fabulously with Leo moons. I just don't have many Leo moon friends in real life. I guess because they are too busy running their kingdoms.

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Possibly. But remember how the lion sits on his butt, waiting for everyone to pay a visit and bring fabulous gifts...or at least a box of adoring compliments. hehehe

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted July 03, 2015 12:08 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Faith, it is indeed remarkable that you mention that, because I wanted to approach this important issues: the presence of similar degrees in the natal charts, which gives the nice rich mesh of aspects in solid synastries. This is a topic of its own. In the end, it is not in the nature of the aspects (their harmonic) but this occurrence of similar degrees which gives many aspects, makes for an entire spider web in there. This also creates interesting structures in Draconic and all the other transgressed charts (such as planet charts) because there will be similar angles in both the natals and this transgression is made by moving this angle around (for example, the angle between NN and 0 Aries, for Draco).

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Exactly. I don't know about transgressed charts, and predicting the likelihood of conjunctions in Draconic synastry is beyond my fourth grade math skills. But that's what I meant: the spiderweb.

posted July 03, 2015 12:11 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Possibly. But remember how the lion sits on his butt, waiting for everyone to pay a visit and bring fabulous gifts...or at least a box of adoring compliments. hehehe

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posted July 03, 2015 01:13 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
My Neptune is conjunct his Saturn, 5 degrees, and his Neptune is square my Saturn, less than 1 degree. A little more on that below.

But this is what I wanted to elaborate on, with respect to Lee's survey. Remarkably, you listed the key planets in synastry with my husband (good memory!) And to give you a fuller picture: he and I both have several placements in the 5-7 degree range, all forming a web of tight and various aspects:

Between 5-7 degrees:

He has: sun, moon, Venus, Saturn, Uranus, Lilith (BML), Pholus, and Pallas. ASC at 4 Cancer if his birth time was recorded in Daylight Savings.

I have: Mercury, Venus, Uranus, Lilith (BML), Psyche, and ASC (if I'm rectifying my chart correctly.)

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We also have some concentration around 0 degrees, mainly my asteroids and Saturn hitting his Jupiter, Neptune, and Mercury, and another "hit" with his Mars-Pluto trine my Chiron.

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But aside from that, his chart is mostly cadent (most planets are in the final decan) and my chart is mostly succedent (second decan prevails) and there is a lot of "breathing room" between us. Which can be good for freedom, but somewhat lonely, even when we're together and enjoying ourselves. It's a disconnect.

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I'll be honest; I don't really follow the asteroids. I pay attention to Chiron just because "planet of pain" sounds somewhat concerning . The only reason I count Lilith is because CafeAstrology's free natal includes it in the chart and that makes it easy to cross-reference in synastry.

That's very interesting about the succedent/cadent. When you say decans are you referring to within the sign itself or within the whole zodiac? (Like, first four personal signs, universal signs, etc.)? Of it's the latter, do you think houses could mitigate the effect? I'm asking because that sounds exactly like my boyfriend and I, except reversed, but I have a stellium in the 7th house which would be succeedent(?) so maybe that could grant some relief and allow for some more understanding?

posted July 03, 2015 01:42 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:

Thanks Lee. I also get along fabulously with Leo moons. I just don't have many Leo moon friends in real life. I guess because they are too busy running their kingdoms.

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posted July 03, 2015 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Geez, agendas, red herrings...it's an astrological debate, for god's sake.

I do neither of the things you describe, just expressing a different opinion.

It was unclear from your post, so sorry, I understood you actually like those Pisces Moon.

Usually, we do attract people we need though, so you attracting Pisces Moons is in tune with your chart type.

It would be much more interesting to say which are the Moons you get along with, after taking a look at your circle of closed friends. My suspicion is that many of them have the placements I describe.

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Our ideas about what counts as a debate seem to differ. My apologies though if my input was sincerely misinterpreted.

I agree, every pisces moon I've attracted on my moon-saturn has taught me a valuable lesson, at the cost of our friendship...

posted July 03, 2015 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I'll be honest; I don't really follow the asteroids.

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Wow.

It seems like ages since I didn't follow asteroids. I've almost forgotten just how nutty it is, to follow asteroids.

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
That's very interesting about the succedent/cadent. When you say decans are you referring to within the sign itself or within the whole zodiac? (Like, first four personal signs, universal signs, etc.)? Of it's the latter, do you think houses could mitigate the effect?

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Not sure I understand what you are asking. I was talking about how the planets are clustered in either the first, second, or third decans. Just talking about numbers, not signs.

I'm no expert and this is a guess: I suppose houses could mitigate the effect, but there's nothing like a solid synastry aspect joining two planets. So, with your mutable moon, if your boyfriend has moon in a succeedent (spelling varies depending on site) house, that may be better than nothing, but it won't click nearly as strongly as an actual aspect.

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I'm asking because that sounds exactly like my boyfriend and I, except reversed, but I have a stellium in the 7th house which would be succeedent(?) so maybe that could grant some relief and allow for some more understanding?

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Not sure. Well how do you feel so far, can you tell us?

Houses:
1, 4, 7, 10 -> angular (cardinal)
2, 5, 8, 11 -> succeedent (fixed)
3, 6, 9, 12 -> cadent (mutable)

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Also, I don't want to give the impression I am anti-squares! Absolutely not! My boyfriend and I have 10 squares in our synastry!, (if you count Lilith square ascendant among them), but there are certain hard aspects I think can cause a looooot of problems natally (i.e. do not date these people ), and then in synastry there are some to really look out for as well, and I just think moon square moon is one of them.

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I never dated too much, got married in my early 20's, so I have a relatively small batch of experiential data to work with. However, on Lee's moon thread, I noticed that the three men before my husband all had strong aspects to my moon. And then I married someone who didn't. And that may be, because I am just so easily overwhelmed by others' emotions, I was tired of moon aspects altogether.

I'm not even close with any water moons in real life. I mean, amongst people I know in person.

My point is, I can relate to your sensitivity to moon squares, definitely, and may be taking it even further by selectively bonding with people who leave my moon alone.

The exception here is Virgo moon, where the opposition provides a distant (as far away as possible!) connection. ETA: And Cap moons. Well they are so discreet with their emotions, and their emotions are so sensible, they hardly ever bother me.

posted July 16, 2015 02:55 AM            

At first it was thrilling. She was a challenging and it seemed like I was making steady progress. But man oh man. She criticized everything. She hated how confident I acted(I was actually just happy). I mean every move I made was WRONG. She was always right and any attempt I made to assert myself was met with complete dominance lol and I'm a man so I hate that. She would get louder, over talk and directly and indirectly make assumptions and then when she would see I was right she would abrutly end the conversation. I finally got fed up and left her alone.

I feel like she ws just a miserable person. Nothing could make her happy. She was also insecure. Crazy thing is every attempt I made to walk away she kept coming back in some desperate form just to continue to belittle me and my many efforts. Unwanted to impress her and take her and her being a challenge turned mw on. The steadiness of Saturn turned me on b/c after all Mars is a practical planet just not in the sense of Saturn.

posted July 16, 2015 06:27 AM            

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Originally posted by LexusVirgo:
Venus square saturn iis the worst aspect ever doesn't matter how good the synastry this is like a stop sign...

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posted July 16, 2015 06:29 AM            

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Originally posted by SoaringLeaves:
Personally there is nothing I hate more than unaspected personal planets. I experienced unaspected Sun (the other person feels like a stranger), unaspected Moon (the other doesn't seem to care about your feelings), and--my personal "favorite"--unaspected Mercury (the other doesn't seem to want to talk to you). I actually had unaspected Marcury for both personal and professional relationships and it's always horrendous and even heartbreaking.

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posted July 16, 2015 12:25 PM              

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Originally posted by LexusVirgo:
Venus square saturn iis the worst aspect ever doesn't matter how good the synastry this is like a stop sign...

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posted July 16, 2015 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
This too!
I've experienced unaspected mercury.

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posted July 16, 2015 12:37 PM              

With the asteroids, I would pay more attention if it's exact at 0 degrees but even then.... but beyond that I've read some of the descriptions and I just don't feel it resonating with me. I do pay some degree of attention to Juno and Chiron, however. My boyfriend and I have a Lilith-ascendant square exact and I basically dismiss it as insignificant. Most of the asteroids I feel that way about.

posted July 16, 2015 01:00 PM            

I'll admit most of it is based on the Uranus + Saturn in Sag generation, which just doesn't gel with my chart at all. You'd think the Saturn would balance it out, but nope. Though on its own, I love Saturn hard aspects and they give me a lot of stability... add Uranus and things go down the drain. Seriously, the only smewhat positive experiences I've had with Uranus square my Venus were two female friends - one did disappear from out of nowhere and never replied to my messages again, but around that time I was extremely busy and absorbed in keeping my health in check. Same with a female friend from college right now... again, when I'm quite busy and dealing with a lot of personal problems, so I don't even have the energy to talk every day or to meet up more than once a week (she lives in a different region). I also noticed that both of them have personal planets in Cancer, which makes them want to stick around more.

Everything else, however, was sh*t (excuse my language) and hurt me a lot, relationship-wise even traumatized me a bit.

posted July 16, 2015 02:35 PM              

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Hard aspects from their Uranus to my Venus, or Venus-Uranus aspects in the composite. I've found that the only way I can deal with this is when I'm Uranus, and contrary to what the interpretations say, I'm not distant or disappear from out of nowhere.

I'll admit most of it is based on the Uranus + Saturn in Sag generation, which just doesn't gel with my chart at all. You'd think the Saturn would balance it out, but nope. Though on its own, I love Saturn hard aspects and they give me a lot of stability... add Uranus and things go down the drain. Seriously, the only smewhat positive experiences I've had with Uranus square my Venus were two female friends - one did disappear from out of nowhere and never replied to my messages again, but around that time I was extremely busy and absorbed in keeping my health in check. Same with a female friend from college right now... again, when I'm quite busy and dealing with a lot of personal problems, so I don't even have the energy to talk every day or to meet up more than once a week (she lives in a different region). I also noticed that both of them have personal planets in Cancer, which makes them want to stick around more.

Everything else, however, was sh*t (excuse my language) and hurt me a lot, relationship-wise even traumatized me a bit.

I honestly try to give every aspect/placement/whatever a chance, but I have to admit I wince when I see a Venus-Uranus affliction somewhere in synastry or composite.

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posted July 16, 2015 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I +1 everything you said here. That horrible aspect should never be forgotten. Sun-Uranus hard aspect in composite is known to be a death-knell. I personally don't like it in synastry as well.

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Oh, yes, Sun-Uranus can be so hard, too. I'm sure there are a lot of people who like this kind of thing, or can cope with the unpredictability well. Are there any positive outlets for Uranus hard aspects?

posted July 16, 2015 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
What was your experience with it? Were you the unaspected mercury?

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posted July 17, 2015 12:36 PM              

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Originally posted by DopGang:
She was the unaspected.
We both speak English but I might as well have been speaking French.
She never understood what I meant by what I said. So what should be a 10 minute conversation would be an hour because I would need to find a way to explain in a way that she understood.
At least she was hot.

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posted July 17, 2015 12:41 PM            

Say it's their unaspected Mercury, and I put my Sun in their 3rd house, does this compensate?

posted July 17, 2015 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by margym0o:
Is there anything that can make up for an unaspected Mercury?

Say it's their unaspected Mercury, and I put my Sun in their 3rd house, does this compensate?

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I'm not certain about that one.
Something that comes to mind is maybe a good moon-moon aspect.
Perhaps a sweet moon-Venus aspect.
I mention that because it may not help with understanding but perhaps with patience to try to understand.