posted July 02, 2015 08:57 AM            

Moon square moon could be worse for certain moons.

Pisces moons are already hypersensitive.
I can't think of any good reason why I would date a Gemini moon or Sag moon, if I were single Because I've known enough of them to know, that would not work.

It's as simple as that, for me.

posted July 02, 2015 09:04 AM            

An early Sag moon that does not hit my mutable t-square but is conjunct my Venus could be nice.

An early Gemini moon ---> likewise. It would be conjunct my Psyche, trine my Mercury and Eros. So that could work.

posted July 02, 2015 09:14 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
There doesn't have to uniformity across the board.

Moon square moon could be worse for certain moons.

Pisces moons are already hypersensitive.
I can't think of any good reason why I would date a Gemini moon or Sag moon, if I were single Because I've known enough of them to know, that would not work.

It's as simple as that, for me.

We all have astro-preferences, do we not?

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Yes, but astrological theories shouldn't be based on our personal preferences as a result of our own charts.

Astrological theories are or should be based on statistical results.
Many theories people still listen to nowadays are in fact based on old religious views which were imposed from the beginning, and were not backed by research such as the idea of malefic vs benefic geometry.

This idea that trines are harmony and squares are disharmony had no research backup when it was imposed; it came from a philosophical/ and later religious concept.
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posted July 02, 2015 09:21 AM            

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posted July 02, 2015 09:37 AM            

It's hard to quantify happiness and satisfaction.

I mean, you could probably do a statistical analysis of long-standing relationships and the respective moon signs involved, but all you are studying is longevity.

When you have a self-sacrificing moon like Pisces, or a dutiful moon like Capricorn, relationship longevity may not be an accurate indicator of happiness.

I don't think a definitive statement can be made either way, that moon square moon is good or bad.

posted July 02, 2015 09:52 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hey Lee,

It's hard to quantify happiness and satisfaction.

I mean, you could probably do a statistical analysis of long-standing relationships and the respective moon signs involved, but all you are studying is longevity.

When you have a self-sacrificing moon like Pisces, or a dutiful moon like Capricorn, relationship longevity may not be an accurate indicator of happiness.

I don't think a definitive statement can be made either way, that moon square moon is good or bad.

But my little humble opinion is, Pisces moons probably will not tolerate squares as well as more rugged moons like, say, Aquarius.

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I agree with that. Longevity is only one factor. My specialty - by this I mean my main interest - and I have been trying to build a database with this kind of couples - is long term couples who seem to enjoy a loving, harmonious relationship over the years. Long-term love. I think we can all agree they do exist; and I focus on those, as much as it is possible to know and see someone else's life, with public testimonies and knowing them personally (for those I know myself). Longevity is only one of the criteria for what I am studying.

The point here is not to say which aspect is better; in fact, I disagree with the whole concept of this thread.

Personally, as I have stated here numerous times, I don't believe in good vs bad aspects. I believe in compatible aspects, and they can only be determined based on the natal charts and the purpose of the relationship.

The idea here about the Moons is that Moon sq Moon is as present as Moon trine Moon in harmonious, loving, long lasting relationships, which means their compatibility value is equal, no matter how uncomfortable this idea seems to many people, it's the statistical fact.
I think many people are uncomfortable with this theory that squares and trines have equal compatibility value because some people have this greater need to know for a fact something is black and something is white, even if it's true or not, it's a security issue, and they shoot the messenger who tells them it may not be so black and white. At least they were safe about trines being good and squares being bad, who is this person bringing chaos again? something like that

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posted July 02, 2015 09:54 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Oh I am quite glad you want to stay away from Sag-Moons. Leaves more for me then.

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Something interested I noticed...many additional sign Moons; and many quincunx Moons (not necessarily in aspect).

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posted July 02, 2015 10:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Oh I am quite glad you want to stay away from Sag-Moons. Leaves more for me then.

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posted July 02, 2015 10:10 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Pshaw...you only need one, my dear.

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yeah, he really keeps my mind busy.
He literally is the only man ever who managed to monopolize my attention like that!
Usually sooner or later it would switch somewhere else, at least occasionally, but in this instance?
He keeps me entertained. lol

posted July 02, 2015 10:12 AM            

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The idea here about the Moons is that Moon sq Moon is as present as Moon trine Moon in harmonious, loving, long lasting relationships, which means their compatibility value is equal, no matter how uncomfortable this idea seems to many people, it's the statistical fact.

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I like statistical facts but I only confer that title on actual statistical facts. In this case, I just don't see how facts can be established. I mean, you could run a poll of an entire population...but cherry picking celebrity examples doesn't seem scientifically rigorous enough to establish facts.

I, for one, am fine with assertions remaining at the level of "educated guesswork" in astrology.

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I think many people are uncomfortable with this theory that squares and trines have equal compatibility value because some people have this greater need to know for a fact something is black and something is white, even if it's true or not, it's a security issue, and they shoot the messenger who tells them it may not be so black and white. At least they were safe about trines being good and squares being bad, who is this person bringing chaos again? something like that

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Or they are just speaking from experience.

I've had strong trines, like between the luminaries, stirring up music within my soul.

I have not had the same music from squares, not that I know of....but then, into every relationship a few squares must fall...and who's to say whether it was the trines or squares that enchanted me?

posted July 02, 2015 10:13 AM              

I have Moon in Aquarius and Sun in Sagittarius, and I do feel most understood and comfortable and also attracted to compatible Moon-signs, especially Aries and Sagittarius, followed by Aquarius and Libra.
I occasionally like an early Scorpio Moon. But the other Moon signs does not seem to do it for me. Maybe I just haven`t met the right Cancer-Moons or Virgo-Moons or Taurus-Moons (there was one though) or even Capricorn Moons yet.

posted July 02, 2015 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Cancer Moons and Pisces Moons are great for friendships though.

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OMG I'm so glad you said that. Just in the nick of time. Because Odette was just saying on another thread that Cancer and Pisces moons are so clingy we won't let people go to the bathroom! !!!!!

We need some good PR work done, stat!

(And after you get that done, Ceri, I'll let you go to the bathroom. Just mind the timer I tucked into your purse.)

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posted July 02, 2015 10:24 AM              

My Mom has compatible Sun and Moon (Scorpio and Virgo). My Dad has th enatal square (Aquarius and Taurus).

their Moons are compatible, their Suns are in an actual square, and they have a close Sun-Moon-opposition.

My brother has the natal square (Pisces-Sagittarius), his girlfriend has the opposition (Pisces-Virgo).
Their Suns are the common ground (both in Pisces), their MOons are in square signs (no actual square) and her Moon is in the opposite sign of his Sun.

My friend has the quinkunx (Virgo-Aries), her husband has the semisextile (Capricorn-Aquarius).
Their Suns are trine, their Moons are sextile.
his Sun square her Moon. his Moon quinkunx her Sun.

In these three cases at least, the synastric mix seems to reciprocate in *some* way the natal combination.

another friend has the quinkunx signs (Aquarius-Cancer), her partner has the quinkunx signs as well (Leo-Pisces).
their Suns are opposite, their Moons are in trine-relationship, no aspect.
naturally their Sun-Moon-combination is semisextile (Leo-Cancer, no aspect, and Aquarius-Pisces, no aspect).
I always thought how surprising that was that they did not have a stronger Sun-Moon-relation. but maybe it was not just as weak as I thought (they are still together and much in love after 10 years), after all there is a resonance to the natal phase they have.

posted July 02, 2015 10:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
i was also wondering if maybe the natal lunar phase might have something to do with our preferences? (just one of many influences of course).

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My husband and I were both born four days after the new moon.

ETA: Oh I see you meant something different.

posted July 02, 2015 10:32 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
I like statistical facts but I only confer that title on actual statistical facts. In this case, I just don't see how facts can be established. I mean, you could run a poll of an entire population...but cherry picking celebrity examples doesn't seem scientifically rigorous enough to establish facts. The experiment's methodology is questionable.

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I have to disagree; the method I use is not questionable, it is standard and I have formally studied statistics.
It's not that hard: you establish a database of what you define as couples in long lasting loving relationships. They have specific criteria such as over 10y together + harmonious marital love life, love. This is your batch for studying long term love. You don't know their astrology yet, just the relational criteria you intend to study (in this case, what I said, long term love criteria). So it's the opposite of cherry picking based on astrological aspects.

Then you study their astrology. For this particular example, you find out the prevalence of Moon to Moon aspects: if it's 1:1 soft vs hard, this is the reality. If you made a good batch (criteria + significant sample), it applies to the whole Terra population. Which means long term loves on this planets have hard and soft equally. Period.

Then what you can do, if you want comparative results, is to study Moon aspects in harmonious vs not harmonious (short term, conflictual etc depending on your criteria) couples, if you want to take it further and find something out about a possible difference in Moon aspects in harmonious vs disharmonious couples.

That is another interesting study ( I didn't do): what is the prevalence soft vs hard Moon aspects in short term/conflictual/nasty relationships? I suspect it's the same, 1:1, but who knows? maybe trines prevail lol The point is we can't say without doing the actual research, no matter how much we subjectively like an idea or another.

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posted July 02, 2015 10:33 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:

(And after you get that done, Ceri, I'll let you go to the bathroom. Just mind the timer I tucked into your purse.)

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Nope, I havenīt seen Pisces-Moons getting clingy. Cancer-Moons - oh yes.

But you know us icy emotionless smooth Aquarius-Moons, nothing really can get stuck in such a frozen surface.

posted July 02, 2015 10:35 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
My husband and I were both born four days after the new moon.

ETA: Oh I see you meant something different.

Hmm in that case, I don't know how my marriage fits in the pattern. He and I both have sun sextile moon. In synastry, our luminaries do not aspect each other at all. I know...strange marriage.

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posted July 02, 2015 10:38 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Ok I see what you mean, Lee.

I haven't read the whole thread very carefully ~ where did you publish your study?

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I haven't published my study with the statistics yet, but I intend to do; it's not focused on Moons, it's a research on compatibility factors in those couples; in fact, Moon Moon aspect is not that relevant as I said here, Sun/Moon is. I only posted here about it, and on my blog, so far. but I haven't visited my blog in quite a while too busy debating here. I'm a 7th house Moon preferring to be with people, rather than alone writing on my blog lol

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posted July 02, 2015 10:39 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
harmonious marital love life, love.

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That is quite difficult to define though. Especially externally, and sometimes even internally.

We can surely observe and analyze quantity, but it is goin to be difficult in terms of quality.

also we have to filter out other possible influences that might modify the results.

posted July 02, 2015 10:40 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I believe in compatible aspects, and they can only be determined based on the natal charts and the purpose of the relationship.

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posted July 02, 2015 10:41 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
That is quite difficult to define though. Especially externally, and sometimes even internally.

We can surely observe and analyze quantity, but it is goin to be difficult in terms of quality.

also we have to filter out other possible influences that might modify the results.

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It seems difficult, in fact it is difficult when it comes to famous couples. It's much easier with couples one knows, much more reliable, and I try to include as many of those as I can.

What are the influences you mention?

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posted July 02, 2015 10:41 AM            

I really, really like Aqua moons.

+1 for moon semisextile moon.

Ceri's moon 17 Aqua
My moon 18 Pisces

posted July 02, 2015 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Are your Sun and Moons in compatible signs?

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Me: Cap sun, Pisces moon
Him: Leo sun, Libra moon

My sun is square his moon only with a wide orb.

edit ~ trying to figure out the complexity of Daylight Savings Time...I guess if his birth time was recorded in Standard time, his DSL birth time is an hour later, adding a few degrees to his moon...which may put it within the 8 degree orb that I usually give for luminaries.