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Topic: MOON/PLUTO in relationships
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Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 20, 2011 08:43 PM
Well no matter what, I cant say that L word..Can I crank call him and tell em.. lol Joking.. Ok so how do I tell him, I have feelings, but need space to work through it, bc I know he doesnt feel the same. I know it doesnt make sense.. So dont look deep into my eyes anymore, cuz it drives me crazy. Dont wait for me anymore... No more pet names WOW... omg... Im freaking out even typing it...
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oneruledbymars Knowflake Posts: 1081 From: New York Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 20, 2011 08:49 PM
Haha...I can understand not wanting to say the L word...But Lioness consider this, love is the underlying emotion for any connection like this. By admitting that to yourself and him...well thats a power self knowledge that will set you free faster. Because it sends the other person running the other way if indeed it is not a relationship they are wanting.I dont know about you...but any man looking deep into my eyes, and waiting for me to walk out with im, and calling me pet names....well that man is gonna find out exactly how those actions make me feel and unless he is willing to buy the puppy then he doesnt need to visit the pet store...LOL So dont freakout just tell him...its like dropping a house on him....lol hey it worked for Dorthy..LOL IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 20, 2011 09:00 PM
Well I cant promise, but I will try... but I can think of a million ways around it, but Im assuming writing an anonymous letter to him telling him.. When he asks if I wrote it.. I say.. What!!! no why would I write you... I assume that wont work huh... lol Mannnn.... I swear I will NEVER again hook up with someone I work with!!! at least not before I check moon/pluto...lol I actually have a rule, about hooking up with people I work with, but broke that rule for him... damnnn it!! I know better than that.. honestly would a letter work? Who can read it? tell me if its good? IP: Logged |
oneruledbymars Knowflake Posts: 1081 From: New York Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 20, 2011 09:08 PM
LOL..a letter would work as it is a form of expression. But I feel like talking is so much more healthy for us in developing new patterns of transparency you know...but either way getting it out there is what you need to do, so it doesnt really matter how.Its just with a letter eventually he is gonna wanna come talk to you, but if you talk in person its a once shot deal... Im just sayin... IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 20, 2011 09:36 PM
Ok... I just texted him... Im out Dont talk to me anymore... LOL JOKING!!!No I texted him, theres something I didnt say yesterday, to give me a call when ever he's available to talk.. IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 20, 2011 09:48 PM
OMFG!! He replied back.. OUt with it.. tell me now! I said no.. to many misunderstandings via text.. you will just get mad and not reply.. He replied back try me.. WHAT DO i DO!!! IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 20, 2011 10:18 PM
There... I told him I need space from him, bc I feel very connected with him.. Now I have to gooo and hide in misery.
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oneruledbymars Knowflake Posts: 1081 From: New York Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 20, 2011 10:21 PM
Lol...there that starts the ball rolling at least he knows and cant play on those feelings. You can tell me he doesnt know what he is doing with the little pet names.Men!... I tell you what.....lol At least he knows now though...now you can stop living in chaos at work. lol IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 20, 2011 11:25 PM
Not really.... sighhhh we went back and fourth texting.. then he called me I told him I need space from him... He said WE ARE FRIENDS.. He was getting upset, and he said you want me to cut the friendship off???? He said NOOO, we are friends, we owe that to each other.. He said theres no reason not to be friends.. Its in our benefit.. He said we should stay friends.. (again) WE OWE THAT TO EACH OTHER... We cant not be friends... F$^cKing A SEE..... he wont let me severe the tie... I told him I need to, because i dont understand our friendship,and it doesnt make sense.. He said thats BS. WE ARE FRIENDS.. how can being friends not make sense... He did say I threw him for a loop though (lol orbm, you sure did call that one) IDK what happen.... Im still going to pull away.. I have too... Idk if I can keep doing this...
I asked him, why is is important to be, my friend, he said its not (lol) we just OWE it to each other.. IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl20 Knowflake Posts: 410 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 20, 2011 11:46 PM
Thanks Lioness for the kind words.I don't believe he felt it. I guess if he did a year later after breaking up he would accept my facebook friend request (which he didn't, he just let it stay there...not deny or accept). So I don't think he did. I still take those actions personal, like I was a bad girlfriend or person to deal with so much to the point that they don't even want to be facebook friends. I think the nature of Pluto is that things are deep and they feel intense. However someone is always hurt. I have heard Pluto makes you never forget someone, nor be indifferent to them...either you still care deeply or you REALLY hate them. But either way the emotions are intense. What do you think about this. IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 12:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by GrlyGirl20: Thanks Lioness for the kind words.I don't believe he felt it. I guess if he did a year later after breaking up he would accept my facebook friend request (which he didn't, he just let it stay there...not deny or accept). So I don't think he did. I still take those actions personal, like I was a bad girlfriend or person to deal with so much to the point that they don't even want to be facebook friends. I think the nature of Pluto is that things are deep and they feel intense. However someone is always hurt. I have heard Pluto makes you never forget someone, nor be indifferent to them...either you still care deeply or you REALLY hate them. But either way the emotions are intense. What do you think about this.
Yes I agree, what ever you feel in feel it intensely... I finally opened up to pisces, and told him, how I was feeling.. only I dont feel i got anything accomplished.. He is so set on being friends with me.. ITS A MUST.. He feels that intensely.. He keeps telling me that over and over... IDK what to do now... How can I be his friend, AND let go of the feelings.. IT seems impossible.. He just wont let that go, and got really mad, when I said I need to distance my self... Maybe its his turn to feel pluto?? IDK... why wont he just let go of this hold, he has on me... IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 10:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by oneruledbymars: Lol...there that starts the ball rolling at least he knows and cant play on those feelings. You can tell me he doesnt know what he is doing with the little pet names.Men!... I tell you what.....lol At least he knows now though...now you can stop living in chaos at work. lol
Thank you ORBM... You came to me, with just what I was thinking, when I was thinking.. I believe everything happens for a reason.. I believe you told me that right, when you did for a reason.. It gave me the courage and will power to do it.... With out you I probably woudnt have done it...
Only I dont think he got it... He texted me again after I had went to bed... I dont see him, letting this go, unless I really **** him off BAD... Where he wants nothing to do with me... I really dont want to go to that level.. I dont want him to hate me.. I do value and respect him.. He told me I dont understand, why you cant just be my friend, and take it as it is.. Why are you making it so complicated. Why is he so insisted on being friends?? I dont get it.. Why doesnt he just leave...
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oneruledbymars Knowflake Posts: 1081 From: New York Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 11:18 AM
Because he is in love with you girl. Rather he realizes it or not.And you need to get some **** straight with him. First of all you dont owe him anything. The only thing you owe anything to is yourself. I just got a good read on his Energy. He WANTS you to owe him something...does that make sense. You are not complicating things...dont let men tell you you are complicating things because you are dealing with emotions and they are not. You are the one empowered here...remember that we ALL are made of 80% water and so is he...no matter how stoic or how much they down play it men feel the EXACT same thing. And if they say they dont the are lying to you and if they act like they dont they are lying to themselves. So go to the Source I say and cut it off there. That involves calling a Spade a Spade. For example if he says, I dont understand why cant you just be my friend. You should say because I am human not a robot. I have feelings for you. And because they are not returned you are a Energy Vampire for me right now...you take from me but you dont want to give to me romantically the way I want you too. So Im gonna have to cut you out of my life for a while until I can give to myself what I am searching for in you. As soon as I do you will be the first one to know...until then...quit flirting with me. Even if you say you arent because Im gonna start calling you on that **** so if you dont want me to blow up your spot dont make one. Treat me as a friend not a x-lover who you want back. IP: Logged |
littlecloud Moderator Posts: 3707 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 12:07 PM
ORBM- Very wise you are To say the least I agree with you 100% He loves you Lioness and sometimes men are just too stupid or stubborn to actually admit it. (Women too, at times) He's insisting the two of you stay friends because he can't let you go. I've had a similar experience with a co-worker before (more than once). It started off as a fling and then it just caught us both by surprise. We never expected to feel anything for each other but we did. Sometimes these things happen. Sometimes people get caught up in what we expected something to be that we don't recognize it for what it is. IP: Logged |
mir Knowflake Posts: 2814 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 12:19 PM
He's totally surprised, even angry and he absolutely doesn't get it that you want to break the friendship .... for me that's a sign that he fully accepted just-a-FRIENDSHIP at a much earlier stage and this must have prospered very well in his eyes.
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Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 12:43 PM
LOL... you guys are funny.. If Told him he's like a vampire.. He would pop me upside my head... But I do know what you mean... First we were texting.. When I said, I dont see the point of us being friends anymore.. He didnt reply back for about 20 mins then he called me.. Ok here's the jest of what he said.. He said, no good would come from us being togehter, that he's no good... He doesnt want to ruin what we have.... He said You know, if you ever need anything, I will be there for you.. I know the same thing from you... We just cant ruin that.. We owe each other a friendship at the least.. He said, I dont understand why thats confusing for you... What can I do to help you clear it up.. Ask me anything.. What do you need? I said I just need to distance my self, and for you to understand that.. I said I dont really understand, if you distance your self, then that will make things akward.. I dont want it to be akward around you... At some point he got really mad and said, why are you doubting my friendship.. I told him I dont doubt his friendship, I just need some space from it.. He was getting frustraded with me. He insisted "I dont ignore you" I said I know that..I dont feel you do... I just need some space, since I feel so connected with you, and I am having a hard time with it.. ITs best if we just put some distance between us. This went back and fourth for 40 mins... At the end he still said.. I still consider you my friend, I have to go.. I said bye he hung up on me.
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oneruledbymars Knowflake Posts: 1081 From: New York Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 12:47 PM
awww littlecloud...*blushing*... I have a bit of a soft spot of Lioness.Mir...I cant buy that. Someone saying they want to be friends and then crossing the line over and over is not a sign "that he fully accepted just-a-FRIENDSHIP at a much earlier stage and this must have prospered very well in his eyes" He wouldnt cross lines if it had "prospered" and if he hadnt Lioness wouldnt be feeling pressured to still have these feelings. You must not absolve his responsiblity in how she feels. He can act totally dumbfounded to her request but consider that if he was a little less self concerned he would honor her feelings instead of trying to force her to be his friend. I bet any amount of money there is some issues between this mans Sun and Moon...or Sun and Mercury or Sun and Venus....something is keeping him from being fully aware of the situation. IP: Logged |
oneruledbymars Knowflake Posts: 1081 From: New York Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 12:54 PM
I love this I was born to get away from a douche bag: "He said, no good would come from us being togehter, that he's no good... He doesnt want to ruin what we have.... "
We agree with that. So what you must figure out is how to realize he is a douche bag so that you can understand why you still find him attractive...and why he is making you unhappy.
"He said You know, if you ever need anything, I will be there for you.. I know the same thing from you... We just cant ruin that.. We owe each other a friendship at the least.. " You can have that same knowledge and not have to be associates. Again you owe him NOTHING. What you do owe is happiness to yourself and thats where he is an issue. "He said, I dont understand why thats confusing for you... What can I do to help you clear it up.. Ask me anything.. What do you need?"
I would have then asked him why he waits for you, why he looks at you like he does and why he calls you pet names...why in general is he still flirting. Why cant he treat you like the friend he wants you to be? "I said I just need to distance my self, and for you to understand that.. I said I dont really understand, if you distance your self, then that will make things akward.. I dont want it to be akward around you... " Distance does not make anything awkward unless he makes it awkward. I just means we are not buddy buddy..."quit staring at me!" lol "At some point he got really mad and said, why are you doubting my friendship.. I told him I dont doubt his friendship, I just need some space from it.. He was getting frustraded with me. He insisted "I dont ignore you" I said I know that..I dont feel you do... I just need some space, since I feel so connected with you, and I am having a hard time with it.. ITs best if we just put some distance between us. This went back and fourth for 40 mins... At the end he still said.. I still consider you my friend, I have to go.. I said bye he hung up on me." There is the Pluto and Moon. You must be more transparent with your emotions...who is the Pluto and who is the Moon here? And what were the signs and the connection was it a sextile?
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oneruledbymars Knowflake Posts: 1081 From: New York Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 12:59 PM
Think about it Lioness...why cant he say ok I understand. And respect your wishes...I would..you would?IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 01:18 PM
The moon/pluto is both waysHis 1 Sag Moon sextile my 0Libra Pluto My 14 Leo Moon sextile his 18 Libra Pluto.. Also his 1Sag moon conjunct my 2Sag Neptune In the composite we have Libra Moon conjunct Libra Pluto (both opps venus) His Natal Pluto conjuncts my DR moon My DR Pluto conjuncts his Natal Moon. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 73155 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 01:20 PM
Lioness I got a strong vibe. This is from talking to you AND reading what everyone is saying. I will e mail you !------------------ Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man. You must face,touch and feel the dregs of Nessus before you can grasp the pristine beauty of Neptune. Me IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 01:25 PM
Ok Ami.. Ahhh ORBM.. you have a soft spot for me... thank you!
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mir Knowflake Posts: 2814 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 03:08 PM
I get the strong sense that he does everything to keep a nice work climate. They work together, don't they? Imagine what can happen AFTER a romance (I assume that's what it was) *at-work* ... pffft not easy! And that's probably what he meant by saying that he doesn't want it to be akward around her... He's likely not even aware of crossing the line in flirting as I think he's just trying to find a WAY to keep things nice.Based on what I read ofcourse. IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 21, 2011 03:54 PM
I agree with both of you guys.. Maybe this will make more sense.. I really dont believe he wants to be in a romantic relationship with me.. But he's also not just making friends so it wont be akward.. He's not saying, he wants to be friends to keep the peace.. Even though he uses that as in excuse. If that was the case, we would just be like Hi/Bye in passing.. We really do have a friendship, we talk all the time.. We both go to each other for advice, He has told me he cant tell me anything.. He's comfortable doing that. So he wants to be "real friends" not dont trip on me and cause drama, so I will say Hi when I need to... We do have a bond, which is why I do feel so close to him... I just guess we feel the bond differently. HE really really does not want the friendship to end.. I feel that, if I dont step away I will never get over, this.. So its best in the long run for me to walk away, before it gets even worse.. He doesnt want me to walk away.. HE wants the friendship to remain in tact, but for me not to have feelings.. This is been goin on, like this for over a year, I cant do it his way anymore.. I know when he realizes Im still pulling away, hes goin to get upset.. Bc after I converstation last night.. I just dont think, he believes me.. He "feels" he's convinced me to stay friends.. But I feel more than ever, the need to pull away.. I know its not really going to effect him, until he realizes Im gone and its too late.. (no telling how long that will take..lol) But regardless he wont say anything, he will just fester in it.. IP: Logged |
Lioness Knowflake Posts: 6993 From: Registered: Mar 2010
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posted January 22, 2011 10:41 PM
ORBM!!! Question hon.. now that I have faced him, and told him what I needed to do... Im wondering is he going to start to feel the pluto now, that I told him Im pulling away.. Is it his turn to face what ever he feels? (what ever that is) IP: Logged |