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BrightStar
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posted May 07, 2007 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrightStar     Edit/Delete Message
I wish someone can teach me how to posed some picture. My friend said he would but i feel sorry for him he work alot he has three jobs , I dont want to borther himm .

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BrightStar
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posted May 07, 2007 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrightStar     Edit/Delete Message
I wish someone can teach me how to posed some picture. My friend said he would but i feel sorry for him he work alot he has three jobs , I dont want to borther himm .

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BrightStar
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posted May 07, 2007 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BrightStar     Edit/Delete Message
I wish someone can teach me how to posed some picture. My friend said he would but i feel sorry for him he work alot he has three jobs , I dont want to borther himm .

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AcousticGod
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posted May 07, 2007 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I've watched a number of these Kurt Cobain interviews now, and I'm really not seeing the justification for anyone's adulation of him. He seems very down-to-earth, fairly sensible, and nice, which are things that are obviously attractive, but I don't see what it is that has made him such a huge figure in some people's lives.

I think he would have been an enduring talent if he had stayed alive. He mentioned getting more into acoustic guitar, so as he got older he could do the Johnny Cash thing.

I really think he was just a guy who really liked making music.

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Azalaksh
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posted May 07, 2007 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
BrightStar ~

To insert a pic in your post, first find an image on the web Or if you have Photobucket or ImageShack or one of the other image-hosting sites it's even easier.
Many images can be copied into posts from the web, but not all -- some are protected and cannot be "hotlinked" here.

If you are running on a MS Windows system, right-click on the picture. A pop-up menu will appear. Choose "Properties". On the Properties tab find the URL address:

In order to post the pic, the file extension (letters at the end after the final period) must be ".bmp", ".jpg" or ".gif". With your left mouse button, highlight the entire URL address. Right-click on the highlight, choose Copy. Come back to the little LL enter-text box and right-click, choose Paste. Now, you need your "tags" around the URL address for it to display as an image and not just a URL address. So put [img] before the URL address and [/img] after the URL address -- no spaces!! Don't forget the forward slash in the second img-tag -- it "closes" the command. Here's an image -- it's size is 150 pixels wide by 116 pixels high:

I would recommend not posting a picture wider than 700 pixels (the size is listed in the Properties dialog box) -- if you have editing capabilities (there are lots of graphics programs that can do this) then you can shrink the image size so it fits better on these message board windows.

Here's a list of the BB tags you can use here at LL -- it's in the site FAQ (right under the "Add Reply" button at the top of this page: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/ubbcode.html

You can click on "Edit" in anyone's post to see how they posted an image or a hyperlink -- try clicking on the Edit button in this very post!! You can't edit anyone else's post, so don't worry

Have fun!!
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MysticMelody
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posted May 07, 2007 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
If I didn't have to wait so long already for these to load, I would find and watch all of the parts to the interview. Loading the third link now...

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Mirandee
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posted May 07, 2007 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
AG,

You know you have a good point. I don't know of one rock star who was not adulated after his death, whether it was deserving or not. Same can be said of dead presidents like Ronald Reagan.

When Janis Joplin died of a heroin overdose everyone in the media talked about her tragic life and how tortured she was ad nauseum. Same with Jim Morrison of the Doors who died of a heart attack most likely due to his lifestyle of drugs. Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones is another one. They are still talking about Marilyn Monroe and look at all the publicity that Anna Nicole Smith got after her death. She couldn't have bought that kind of PR while she was alive.

These people and anyone famous who dies get more media attention dead than they even did alive. For that reason I tend to take what is said about them with a grain of salt.

HSC has said here that he doesn't emulate or adulate Kurt Cobain though. He said he just empathizes with him.

When it comes to emulating Jesus, no one could find anyone better to emulate than him. In fact, it's what we who believe in Jesus as more than just a prophet are supposed to do. Imitate him in our own lives. HSC also said he is interested in reading about the saints and those people are very good role models too. For that reason I think he has a handle on it.

Actually Key's concern about that regarding Kurt Cobain and Steve's seeming fascination with him was a concern of mine too and for the same reasons. When HSC explained that in response to her posts I felt relief.

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lotusheartone
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posted May 07, 2007 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Mirandee, I said I would not come back to this thread...

you are the worst example of a Bull!

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Mirandee
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posted May 07, 2007 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message

BrightStar,

Zala is right in that Photobucket makes it easy for you. That is what I use.

Just go to Photobucket.com and sign up. Then when you find images on the internet just right click on your mouse and you can either save the pictures to your computer and then upload them at Photobucket or click on properties get the URL and upload the picture directly at Photobucket.

Photobucket gives you the UBB code selection under the picture with the [img][/img] tags. Just copy that and paste the picture on your post here.

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lotusheartone
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posted May 07, 2007 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Mirandee, i m randee,isn't your tongue tir3ed?

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Azalaksh
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posted May 08, 2007 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
re: tired tongues ~
I can't help but note that lotus has nearly 5 times as many posts as Mirandee does here at LL, and in less time

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Mirandee
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posted May 08, 2007 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
That's true , Zala. I didn't notice that before you mentioned it but I was here almost a year before Lotus joined LL.

Those one liners of Lotus must add up.

I think 9,995 of those posts of hers were telling everyone else to "Go Within."

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lotusheartone
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posted May 08, 2007 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 08, 2007 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
AG,

Kurt was an artist, not an orator. I'm reminded of a scene from Boswell's "The Life of Samuel Johnson"... A famous and well-respected writer was being discussed, and it was being remarked how rarely he ventured to make conversation or offer witty reparte while attending social functions. This man, whom everyone knew to be capable of truly subtle insights, was peculiarly reticent to exhibit his wit. Upon his arrival, the Lady of the house ventured to ask him about his reticence. He responded, "Madame, I have but seven pence in ready money, but I can draw for a thousand pounds,".

It is the same with Kurt. His genius came almost entirely from a realm of inspiration which, I'm sure, would seldom come when he called it. He had no air in his chart, aside from the Gemini Midheaven. Like many highly sensitive artists, he was at a relative loss to explain himself to others, and was not especially skilled in articulating his views outside of his art. But the art speaks for itself.

Kurt was peculiarly attuned to the outer planetary energies, so it makes sense for a great many people to identify with him. For my part, I'm sure my own appreciation of his perspective has more than a little to do with the fact that his Moon closely trined my Sun/Venus/MC/Uranus and conjuncted my descendent, his ascendant closely trined by ascendant, his Venus conjucted my SNode, his Jupiter closely conjuncted my Dsc, and his Sun was in my 1st house.

His music is more perfect, to me, than anything I've heard. His songs sound, to me, like they were in the ether all along, just waiting for him to come along and write them down. To me, no other music feels as right, as perfect, as meant to be. Every note, every word, seems written by Providence itself. It blows my mind how good I think it is. Everyone else I listen to, and love, with maybe one or two exceptions, isnt even worthy to play in the same stadium with him. Its like he wrote real music, and everyone else is just trying to write music, and succeeding here and there, with little scraps of inspiration. Like he had flames coming out of his fingertips, while they were rubbing two sticks together. Some musicians have moments where their songs become real music, but rarely can they sustain that magic through a whole song. Kurt sustained it through albums. Thats how it sounds to me. He was like Orpheus.

I agree, he seemed very grounded in that interview.
That was probably the best time in his life.

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Lialei
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posted May 08, 2007 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message

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Solane Star
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posted May 08, 2007 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
Mirandee, I said I would not come back to this thread...
you are the worst example of a Bull!


Thats just to Freaking Funny coming from lotusheartone!!!

The QUEEN of all QUEEN BULLS here!!!!LOL!!!LOL!!!LOL!!!


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Solane Star
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posted May 08, 2007 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
That just made MY DAY!!!!LOL!!!

Thanks for Dropping in lotusheartone!!!!LOL!!!

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted May 08, 2007 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Lia.

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Mirandee
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posted May 08, 2007 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, have to post in segments because of posting problems.

Part I:

Well, true, Star what you said about Lotus. In that she can get out of line.

But in all fairness to Lotus, I once told her in anger over her digging at me on a thread that she exhibited all the negative qualities that give Taureans a bad rap.

Obviously that hurt Lotus and she has not forgotten it so I kind of had that coming. Touche, Lotus my dear. Now we are even and hopefully we can move past it.

Lotus is not a bad person at all. She has a good heart and I admire her dedication to her spiritual beliefs even if I don't agree with them entirely. We do have common ground in some of them though. Just different journies and different ways of presenting our thoughts. I am less interested than she is in forcing my beliefs on other people or telling them I am right and they are wrong. MUCH LESS interested in that!

I like Lotus. In spite of our differences.

My liking her or anyone else will not stop me from retorting when they over step my personal boundaries and get out of line with me. Self-respect is what that is all about and with my temperment they are not likely to hear my retort in a calm, restrained manner.

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Mirandee
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posted May 08, 2007 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Part II:

We are born with a certain temperment that cannot be changed. We can only work at overcoming it to the degree we learn to restrain it. However, I am not a big believer of restraining emotions. We have emotions for a reason. I am not good at all in masking my emotions for that reason.

When I think that Jesus referred to one of his beloved disciples, John and his brother James, as " the sons of thunder" due to their quick tempers, which tells me that Jesus accepted and approved of them in spite of their temperment, I don't beat up on myself too much over mine. I just try to do better and have worked most of my life on doing that. Which hasn't been always effective and tells me I probably will always have this short fuse. I manage, due God's grace, to be able to like, accept and approve of myself in spite of it.

What I don't appreciate is being sterotyped and forever held to one or two moments in my life when I didn't have a handle on my temper. I try to do that with other people and don't hold grudges or hold them to one or two moments in time and refuse to see the person any other way. I don't box people and restrain their freedom of movement or expression in that way. Mainly because I know that we humans are very complex and have so many facets of our personalities and being that make us who we truly are.

My motto is that where my nose begins is where another person's rights to speech and action ends. I admire all you mild tempered people who can be angry and still express yourself positively. But I can't do that and neither can some others. I am a logical, reasonable person but when I am angry that goes out the door. I feel all my emotions - hurt, anger, happiness etc - very intensely. I am a very intense individual. For that reason I do admire people here who allow their passion to flare at times in direct honesty due to their intensity. Mainly because it tells me they are being 100% real and not out to impress others in any way.

Let it all hang out!! It's who you are. Why restrain it if you feel it? Anger is only truly negative when it is held onto long after it flares up. My anger and, I think, Steve's and most people here at LL, is like a summer storm, it flares up and quickly passes.

I also highly admire the people like Zala who when angry still maintains her senses and expresses herself in positive reasonable ways. Zala, as a friend is a good role model for me and helps in teaching me how it is done and I love her for her ability to express herself and her feelings honestly in positive ways. And for all she is as a person.

We all have so many facets of ourselves. All those sides of us are not shown at once on internet threads.

Remember that old song lyric that goes, " everybody's beautiful in their own way" ? Well it's true. All of us here at LL are beautiful in our own way.

I apologize for discussing you here in the third person, Lotus but it is meant for you too.

Sorry, also that I haven't yet learned to express myself in sound bites of 100 words or less so this is another long one. Were that not the case I probably wouldn't have had to post in segments here. hee hee Another flaw in my long list of them.

edited this a bit to add that "summer storm" comment

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naiad
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posted May 08, 2007 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
for Heart Shaped Cross ~

C'est Moi

Camelot! Camelot!
In far-off France I heard your call.
Camelot! Camelot!
And here am I to give my all.
I know in my soul what you expect of me,
And all that and more I shall be.

A knight of the Table Round should be invincible,
Succeed where a less fantastic man would fail.
Climb a wall no one else can climb,
Cleave a dragon in record time,
Swim a moat in a coat of heavy iron mail.
No matter the pain, he ought to be unwinceable,
Impossible deeds should be his daily fare.
But where in the world
Is there in the world
A man so *extraordinaire*?

C'est moi! C'est moi, I'm forced to admit.
'Tis I, I humbly reply.
That mortal who
These marvels can do,
C'est moi, c'est moi, 'tis I.
I've never lost
In battle or game;
I'm simply the best by far.
When swords are crossed
'Tis always the same:
One blow and au revoir!
C'est moi! C'est moi! So adm'rably fit!
A French Prometheus unbound.
And here I stand, with valour untold,
Exeption'ly brave, amazingly bold,
To serve at the Table Round!

The soul of a knight should be a thing remarkable,
His heart and his mind as pure as morning dew.
With a will and a self-restraint
That's the envy of ev'ry saint
He could easily work a miracle or two.
To love and desire he ought to be unsparkable,
The ways of the flesh should offer no allure.
But where in the world
Is there in the world
A man so untouched and pure?
(C'est moi!)

C'est moi! C'est moi, I blush to disclose.
I'm far too noble to lie.
That man in whom
These qualities bloom,
C'est moi, c'est moi, 'tis I.
I've never strayed
From all I believe;
I'm blessed with an iron will.
Had I been made
The partner of Eve,
We'd be in Eden still.
C'est moi! C'est moi! The angels have chose
To fight their battles below,
And here I stand, as pure as a pray'r,
Incredibly clean, with virtue to spare,
The godliest man I know!
C'est moi!


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posted May 08, 2007 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for key     Edit/Delete Message
Stephen -

Guess we have some things in common. Is your mom a leo? I wanted to mention that it is hard to be a mom. We moms have different natured kids, and are stuck with own given nature. Hard to get it right. You said your mom corrected some of your writing when you were younger - drew lines through your work, something like that. You know what? She probably saw that you had talent, and wanted to promote it. We fire people like action. Guess I would like you to cut her a break.

Do you have just one sibling, your sister? What is her astrological sign? My daughter is an aries sun, sag moon and rising. My son is a scorp sun & rising - gemini moon. Married to a cap sun, gemini moon, cancer rising. I have sun/moon conjunt in aries, along with the cap rising. Sounds like our families have some things in common. Hey, maybe you could give me some mothering hints, even though my kids are older. My son is living at home with us now - waiting for his condo to be built (along with his live-in girlfriend). So, I am pretty cool, after all.

Miradee - It is good to show your emotions. I don't hold grudges, either. It would only hurt myself.

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naiad
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posted May 08, 2007 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
i believe that Kurt Cobain did not commit suicide.

THREE TIMES A LETHAL DOSE OF HEROIN?
Kurt apparently had 3 times the lethal 225 mgs dose of heroin (1.52 mgs per liter) in his blood system and intravenous puncture marks in both arms. Medical experts will tell you that such an amount, when injected directly into the bloodstream will leave you incapacitated and cause you to lapse into a coma within seconds, if not kill you instantly before the needle can even be removed from your arm. It's common for deaths of heroin overdoses to be found with the needle still sticking out of the arm. That's how quickly one lethal dose can kill a person, let alone three.
It's hard to believe that Cobain injected himself with an insane triple lethal dose of heroin, pulled the needle out of his arm, carefully put away that needle and the heroin paraphernalia neatly back into a cigar box a few feet away, rolled down and button his sleeves, then picked up a Remington 20-gauge shotgun , placed it in his mouth and discharged it. There does not seem to be another case in history in which anything close to this has ever occurred and many researchers feel it is simply impossible.

The drug Diazepam (Valium), was also found in Cobain's blood system. A drug that is known to aggravate heroin, and makes an overdose that much worse. The question remains as to why Cobain would shoot himself after taking a triple lethal dose, which clearly would have been more than enough to cause death instantly. A triple overdose, followed by shooting yourself not only doesn't make sense, but is impossible according to the medical experts.

Canadian Chemist Roger Lewis read the Cobain autopsy report. Knowing that drug related "suicides" are often a staged cover up for a murder, he studied 98 similar deaths and their pathology, criminology and forensic tests. His research is titled "Dead Men Don't Pull Triggers", and it was published in Opinion Magazine. An online version is also available and is a must-read for anyone who wants to intelligently argue that Cobain was murdered. To be fair, there is a rebuttal to Lewis' findings, which has also been posted on the web, as well as Lewis' rebuttal to the first one. Links to that debate are available in the internet coverage section of this site.


NO FINGERPRINTS?
According to the police report, there were no "legible" fingerprints on the shotgun (which some sources say indicate the gun had been wiped or cleaned), none on the pen found with the "suicide" note, or the box of shotgun shells found beside Kurt. How can you write a note, load up a shotgun with 3 shells, and shoot yourself without leaving any fingerprints on anything? Also, his head was nowhere near "blown off", as mistakenly reported by the press. It was fully intact and not as gruesome as people close to the situation had made it out to be to the media and friends. The Remington Model 11 shotgun is a very light shotgun that dealers recommend for home protection, because the shot won't penetrate walls and endanger those on the other side.
Sgt. Cameron admitted 2 years later that there were no markings on Kurt's hands indicating he had fired the weapon. "Yeah, there weren't any marks on his hands...Some rookie must've put that line in the police report." he said when speaking about the mistake in the police report. Tom Grant says: "I can say with confidence that there were no marks on Cobain's hands that would indicate he fired this weapon. I've had the police reports analyzed by other homicide detectives and criminalists. No one can figure out what these "marks" could have been. I can't explain further at this time, but I can tell you the authorities will never claim the marks were GS residue or soot. Some of the additional evidence I've obtained regarding these so-called "marks" cannot be disclosed until the case is reopened. If the Seattle authorities ever care to describe the "marks" in detail, I'll come forward with additional evidence that will prove those so--called "marks" did not really exist."

Since things were also so neatly put away at the scene and there were no fingerprints on key objects, this seems to indicate someone "swept" it before Cobain's body was discovered. He clearly was not alone in that greenhouse.


BUSINESS IN LOS ANGELES?
Courtney Love was in Los Angeles during the week preceding and up to Kurt's death and when asked by many to fly up to Seattle to help locate her husband, whom she had told others "had a shotgun" and was "suicidal," she replied, "I can't. I have business to take care of." When Tom Grant mentioned to Rosemary Carroll that Courtney had said she couldn't go to Seattle herself because she "had business in L.A", Carroll replied "She didn't have any business in L.A.!" While Kurt was in Seattle in supposed "suicide" mode, Love was arrested due to a 911 phone call reporting an overdose in her hotel room. Paramedics arrived and took her to the hospital before releasing her 2 hours later into police custody. She was charged with possession of a syringe and drug paraphernalia. Phone records show that the 911 call that got her arrested, originated from her own hotel room. Tom Grant believes this was Courtney's attempt to establish an alibi right before Kurt was found.

A SECRET SECOND NOTE?
Courtney produced a never-before seen second note to Seattle police, which she claims Kurt wrote in Rome during "his first suicide attempt". A police officer says it was not a suicide not, but rather a rambling and unflattering diatribe against her. Courtney admits the existance of this note in a December 1994 Rolling Stone interview, and to Tom Grant. Grant has her on tape saying that she burned it . Courtney says the second note also mentioned a divorce.

THE ROME INCIDENT
Kurt was not a user of Rohypnol , he also didn't drink alcohol. On March 4th 1994 in Rome, when he was on the verge of leaving Courtney and the tour he was on, he was suddenly hospitalized with these substances in his body. Many believe this was the first, failed, murder attempt as both Michael DeWitt and Courtney Love were also in that hotel room in Rome. By some miracle, Kurt survived the combination of Rohypnol and Alcohol, and told everyone, including the doctors that it was not a suicide attempt. Dr. Galletta, who treated him, agreed it was just an accident. Kurt also mentioned that he could not remember what had happened to cause the coma. This is a common side effect of Rohypnol , better known as the "date rape drug" or "roofies". At the time, Rohypnol was a colorless, odorless drug which dissolves quickly into drinks, including water, and induces amnesia (loss of memory) when abused. The prescription for this drug belonged to Courtney. She was seen popping some during an interview with Select magazine in Rome on March 3rd and it's documented in the interview. Also, Tom Grant found empty packets of the prescription with her name on it when he searched the Cobain home on April 7th.

MONEY FOR MURDER?
Eldon Hoke (aka "El Duce"), singer of a band called the Mentors, claimed he was offered $50,000 by Courtney Love three months earlier to kill her husband. On March 6, 1996, Hoke was administered a polygraph test by Dr. Edward Gelb, who is one of the country's leading polygraph experts. He was also teaching the advanced polygraph course for the FBI. Hoke passed a lie detector test with 99.7% certainty that he was telling the truth. Eldon Hoke briefly appeared in the Nick Broomfield "Kurt & Courtney" documentary.
On April 19th 1997, eight days after having his story filmed by Broomfield, Hoke was found dead in Riverside, California by the California Highway Police. A source described the events as "highly suspicious. He showed up at his house in Riverside with this guy who he introduced as his new friend none of his roommates had ever met before and said they were going out to the liquor store and would be back soon. He never returned. The 'friend' was never seen again and Hoke was found squashed on a railroad track, apparently hit by a train. Anybody who knew Hoke, according to his friends, knew that the best way to befriend him was to offer to buy him a drink. So the scenario is quite obvious."

While Grant and others believe Hoke was offered money by Courtney and was telling the truth about that, he did not personally, nor did he know who killed Kurt. Hoke used the situation to drum up publicity for himself and for a band he apparently started called "Courtney Killed Kurt". In the end, it might have been the thing that got him killed. A popular hoax has popped up in recent years where people claim they know who killed both Cobain and Hoke. Read more detailed information about Hoke including a brief transcript of the conversation he had with Courtney Love in Eldon Hoke, AKA El Duce - By Frances Barnett


A CANCELED CREDIT CARD & FLAT TIRES
There is evidence that circumstances were manipulated to prevent Kurt from using his own car and gaining access to his own money in the days leading up to his death. Courtney canceled his credit card right after he used it to purchase a flight back home to Seattle on April 1st, and according to the police report, all 4 tires of his car were flat .

MEDIA MANIPULATION
After Kurt was found dead a month later in Seattle, and could not set the record straight anymore, Courtney tells everyone that the Rome incident was actually "a suicide attempt". This went against everything Kurt, and the doctors that treated him had said about the incident. The media goes with Love's side of the story for some reason and don't question it. The few that tried had gotten legal threats tossed their way or were just pressured to back off.
Peter Cleary, a friend of Kurt's from Seattle said the following in an interview: "The thing you have to remember about all the talk of Kurt being suicidal is that all the talk only started when Courtney came out after the death and said Rome was a suicide attempt and the media picked up on all her examples of Kurt being suicidal. That's when all these people started saying,'Of course he was suicidal, just listen to his music.' But that's a bunch of crap. Sure he was a moody guy and got depressed quite often. That applies to a hell of a lot of people, including me. But nobody ever talked about Kurt being suicidal before he died, Nobody. Why do you think everybody who knew him was so surprised when Courtney said that Rome was a suicide attempt? I've read all this ignorant ******** in the media pointing to the fact that Kurt wanted to call In utero 'I Hate Myself and I Want to Die.' It was a joke, for chrissake. That was his warped sense of humour. He was the most sarcastic guy you'll ever meet. He was not suicidal, at least not when I knew him, and I knew him for the last year of his life."


CONFLICT OF INTEREST
The medical examiner, Dr. Nikolas Hartshorne insists Cobain died from a self-inflicted shotgun wound. He was interviewed in 2000 for a VH1 Confidential story on the theories. Hartshorne is adamant that Kurt's death was "an open and shut case of suicide". "Kurt died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. I have no doubt in my mind, not one shred of doubt, that this is in fact a suicide." he says.
However, Hartshorne's credibility has been questioned due to a conflict of interest. He knew Cobain and Love personally. Hartshorne booked shows in Seattle in the late 80s. He was also a "party friend" of Courtney Love.

During a 1996 lecture by the authors of Who Killed Kurt Cobain? in Montreal, they showed video taped interviews of Hartshorne admitting he and Love were friends. Hartshorne left Seattle shortly after Kurt's death.

August 22nd 2002 Update: Mr. Hartshorne passed away on August 6th 2002 in a BASE jumping accident.


NO BEHAVIOURAL PATTERN OF SUICIDE
Kurt's friends said he preparing to leave Seattle to join friends on the East coast. Kurt apparently had made plans to see one of his favorite bands who were touring the East coast at the time. He also made plans with his grandfather, Leland Cobain, to go fishing. Michael Stipe, of R.E.M., says Kurt was going to visit him to work on music. They had struck up a friendship and planned to record something together. Why would someone that is about to commit suicide make these types of plans? When Tom Grant asked Kurt's best friend Dylan Carlson if he thought Cobain was suicidal, he was adamant, saying, "No. Not at all," and added that despite the major changes imminent in his life, Cobain was "pretty upbeat." Mark Lanegan (of the band Screaming Trees), another of Cobain's close friends, expressed the same sentiment to Grant, and later told reporters for Rolling Stone, "I never knew Kurt to be suicidal." In a Rolling Stone interview a few months earlier, Kurt was quoted as saying "I've never been more happier in my life". Not one of the therapists who spoke with Cobain just a few days before his death at the Exodus Treatment Center (one of the most renowned drug rehabilitation facilities in the country) considered him suicidal. Finally, Tom Grant and Rosemary Carroll had an impassioned conversation in which she exclaimed, "He wasn't suicidal, Tom. Kurt wasn't suicidal!" For more documented quotes from friends and family close to Kurt in the final weeks, please read Kurt Was Not Suicidal by Frances Barnett.
These are the main reasons why this case should be reopened and looked into again. For more information, check out the Frequently Asked Questions section, and the detailed Timeline of Events.

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Investigation -- Unanswered Questions

THE CRIME SCENE
Why was the ejected shell of the shotgun found to the left and not the right of the body? This one is extremely important. More important than the heroin in my opinion.
Why were standard tests not performed such as a GSR kit, analysis of the contents of the root beer can, (read the reports the can was found with liquid in it but logged into evidence as empty) fingerprinting of the greenhouse, etc.

Were any trajectory tests done to show what the position of the shotgun was when it was fired? If not why weren't they done?

Were any measurements taken to see if it was even possible for him to shoot the gun? If not why weren't the done? The picture of him with the toy gun is just that a toy gun this shot gun was much longer and Kurt wasn't a big guy.

Why did Sgt. Cameron lie to Tom Grant about Kurt being barricaded in the greenhouse and that the little 'stool was wedged up against the door'?

Why were items logged into evidence in the case turned back over to Courtney before the case was even 30 days old?

STRANGE BEHAVIOUR
Why did Courtney pretend to be Kurt's mother when calling in the missing person's report to the SPD on April 4th?

Why didn't Courtney tell Grant and the SPD that Kurt had been seen at their home on April 2nd?

Why was Grant told to watch a drug dealers house and check hotels for Kurt, but not told that Dewitt had seen him at the house?

Why did Dylan not show Grant the greenhouse when Rosemary Carroll is recorded as telling Grant that she heard Courtney tell Dylan to look in the Greenhouse.

Why did Rosemary Carroll think Kurt's death was suspicious? Why did she tell Grant about the divorce and the will? Why is she now silent?

Why did Courtney release that cropped image of Kurt with the toy gun, shortly after his death?

Why didn't Eldon Hoke (El Duce) come forward sooner?

"Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your altar." - Why doesn't anyone ever question this part of the note?

Why did it take 2 years for Sgt. Cameron to say that a rookie must have made a mistake in the police reports about "the marks on Kurt's hands" ?

Why hasn't Courtney sued Tom Grant for his claims, but yet sues everyone else on a spin of a dime?

Where was Pat Smear during the week of April 1st - April 8th?

Why didn't Nikolas Hartshorne the coroner, disclaim and deny the 1.52 mgs of heroin that was found in Kurt's body at the time of death after he has done numerous interviews (VH1 Confidential)?

Why did Rosemary Carroll, Kurt and Courtney's entertainment attorney, tell Tom Grant that "Kurt was not suicidal"?

Why did Rosemary Carroll tell Tom Grant that the note left by Michael "Cali" DeWitt sounded phony?

Why did Rosemary Carroll tell Tom Grant that Courtney had "no business in Los Angeles"?

If all of Kurt and Courtney's friends knew that he was suicidal, why didn't they keep an eye on him?

If Dylan Carlson knew Kurt was suicidal, why did he buy the gun for Kurt?

When Courtney found out that Kurt fled rehab, why did she contact a PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR and not the POLICE first?

Why didn't Courtney go back to Seattle to help locate and maybe save her "suicidal husband"?

Why didn't Courtney call all their friends and family up in Seattle and organize a massive search party the minute Kurt fled the rehab and headed back to Seattle?

Why did Rosemary Carroll back off Grant after he replied to the letter he received from her firm threatening to sue him? Did he strike a chord or something?

Why did Courtney want to keep Grant on the pay roll and get him to sign a confidentiality agreement if he had openly admitted to her what his feelings of Kurt's "suicide" were?

What happened to Cali, and why was he always around - in Rome, at the house, whenever there was a problem? Why wasn't he ever really interviewed/questioned?


Who else did the confidentiality agreement effect besides Rosemary Carroll? i.e. other friends/associates of Kurt and Courtney who can not speak about this, even if they wanted to?

GRANT QUESTIONS
If Kurt was in fear for his life, as Grant claims, why would he go home after fleeing rehab? Wouldn't he hide somewhere less obvious?

Seeing as Tom Grant is a private investigator. Why didn't he search the entire place, instead of just sitting in the car waiting for Dylan the first time, and only looking inside the house the second time, which was just a short time after the first time early Thursday morning of April 7th? You'd think him being hired to specifically search for a suicidal person, he'd have a look around everywhere on the property, not just the house, especially when the greenhouse isn't that inconspicuous. Anyone could see the window right above the garage. He used the excuse "it was dark and raining", why didn't he go back there at first light to have a thorough look at the entire property?

Why don't any of Kurt's close friends publicly support Tom Grant or the murder theory?

If Tom Grant has some more information on the murder theory then why won't he release it to the public? He says he's saving it for when the case gets reopened and goes to court, but it's been eight years.

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Forensics experts in investigating the scene know when it is a suicide or not. I am fascinated by those shows on T.V. Amazing what they can do now.

They can tell from the wounds the angle the gun was held at, blood splatters on the surrounding area, residue left on the hands of suicide victims, and everything else at the scene. They solve more and more cold cases all the time now due to even further new forensic advancements then they had in the 1990's when Cobain died. So if there was any doubt in the minds of the police and his family the police dept. would open up the Kurt Cobain cold case file. Has his family, his wife Courtney Love ever said they thought he was murdered? Or is just his fans and the media that want to speculate on that? Just asking.

There is a conspiracy theory surrounding the death of Marilyn Monroe, John F.Kennedy and John Kennedy Jr. too.

Does it matter? He's dead and nothing is going to bring him back. Unless his family wants further investigation and the case reopened, all it remains is pure speculation.

Add to the list of questions of whys regarding Courtney Love -

Why does Courtney Love do half of the things she does? LOL

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