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Topic: Infidelity aspects in synastry
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lalalinda
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From: nevada
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posted April 22, 2004 07:37 PM
  
Hi Girls,
I was finished with this post, but an interesting point was made. The sharing, orgys and swapping do predominately fall under a venus uranus aspect. I don't have this but I do understand it. Mr. Wonderful has it and according to him the exact things we have been discussing that men do. (thier promiscuity, casual sex,etc.) Is what ALL women want and think about. I knew it was bull, but gave it the benefit of doubt. Just in case all the girlfriends (platonic) I have had in my lifetime were lying. lol And all this time I thought I was a little prudish. He swears there are women totally into that lifestyle and thier probably is, but I think they're the minority and except for a few, a lot of women just tolerate it for the sake of love. At least thats my story. I have since learned that I don't have to tolerate it if I don't want to. I am ultimately responsible for my body and everything that happens to it. When I had to have my friends and family run interference for me (especially when his brother came over) I had decided enough was enough. And sexual incompatibility will eventually destroy whats left. Now I've got a life and hes got his hand.IP: Logged |
trillian
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posted April 22, 2004 07:55 PM
lalalinda  Yeah, that hand is always there for them. Ya know, with all this talk, I might seem promiscuous, but I'm not... Duality, you were born in June 1968? My Gem is the same, sun, venus mars all in Gem. His Mercury landed in 0 degrees of Cancer. Moon in Sag. He likes us Rams too. IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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From: nevada
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posted April 22, 2004 08:23 PM
Trillian,
I don't think your promiscuous, Just wise and open minded. I've been in "extended familys" that have worked out nicely. Because my bond was with the other woman (always non-sexual) I am very non-threatning to other woman (moon trine saturn) and as females we are sympathetic to one another. Sex with thier Husbands/mates again was just tolerated,(like changing diapers, somebody had to do it) and more for the men. Good for thier egos. And since I didn't love them I just tried to be fair and carry my fair share of the load. The advantages outweighed the trivial problems. We never shared a marital bed and I had my own room, but we were ONE family.IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted April 22, 2004 09:27 PM
Wow, I have to admire the complete lack of ego that it must require to be ok with that. I know I am NOT capeable of that. I must have a very long way to go on my evolutionary path yet.Wow. Unfathomable for this  X4 IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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From: nevada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 23, 2004 01:43 AM
Complete lack of ego?IP: Logged |
astro junkie
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posted April 23, 2004 02:09 AM
LaLa -(and Lioneye - I'm not bashing you ok?) Throughout history, when people/humans (and even lesser species) are confronted with something they do not understand, the very FIRST reaction (not response) in their brain is quickly stabilizing a barrier between "black & white"... Step back and apply what I'm saying to ANY situation you want. The first thing we do to survive is PROTECT the thing we value. This is NOT a bad thing. It's a survival instinct in order to keep clans intact. I mean, don't we always remember the one person who dares to be honest and express his uncertainty (very uncool) in any situation which requires mediation? He's NOT the one who is daring to REBEL, but rather, the one who is daring to RECONSIDER. If you happen to be one of the pion followers, you were probably clubbed. But if you happen to be a leader, you become more powerful among other clans. YOU were able to override your hardware. And by no means am I saying that we are so modern and arrogantly declare that it's always better to override your hardware, because I believe that morals are BASED upon our hardware. (I'm not going to get into THAT cute little argument). I'm saying that if you live a life influenced by a strong survival theme, kill the MF trying to kill you, whether it be in the form of an animal predator, human predator, or in the world of everchanging ideas which threaten our comfort levels. As some of you already know from seeing my past posts, I'm NOT one of those people who march in the streets for "equal rights among gays"... I don't believe my equal rights have been compromised in the first place. IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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From: nevada
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posted April 23, 2004 03:39 AM
A.J.
I hope I'm understanding you correctly, those aren't the words I would have used but the belief is the same. To me its always been about being able to look at myself in the morning. Mans laws mean little to me I follow the commandments and live my life as an example of my "truths". Contrary to my lax opinions on life in general I am high minded and accepting of those things that I can not (and don't want to) change. again the old addage "how can you judge a man untill you've walked in his shoes" I believe that unquestionably.
One last thing so that no one might misunderstand about my "extended family life" It was very much like best friends ( the 3 of us, besides she understood that I was not sexually attracted to him) and She and I would manipulate situations with him, confuse him and in general and almost Always get our way (we'd let him play the big shot in front of his friends) We had a wonderful bohemian lifestyle that suited us all nicely untill I moved. (it was just time) We're still close and I'll always have a home there. I have warm memories of them both.IP: Logged |
astro junkie
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posted April 23, 2004 07:57 AM
I'm a bit bohemic myself, and life has been an incredible journey. Nothing is ever perfect, and the grass is never greener...IP: Logged |
snappyyaps
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posted April 23, 2004 08:45 AM
Hey Everyone,What about Venus Trine Jupiter and Venus trine Neptune???? What do yhee think of these???
As for men/women cheating, regardless of there natal charts or there sex. I think at the end of the day its the essence of a person that determines if they were to be committed to any one person.
Not only that you have to look at a persons upbringing, did they come from broken homes, abusive homes, overtly religious homes, stable homes, whether they've been previously badly hurt in a prior relationship. All these factors add and take away from a persons nature. Causing them to be either secure as a person or insecure leading to all sorts of good or bad experiences in relationships.
You have to take a chance on people, go with your instincts and be aware that theres always a chance of a partner being unfaithful but theres also the chance you could too, someone could walk into our lives and sweep us off our feet with us not wanting it as we were contented in the relationship we are presently in.
Astrology may show weaknesses in certain areas of a persons character, but theres free will and nothing in this life is completely mapped out. Astrology should merely be a guide and an interest that people have.
Anyway getting back to the venus trine jupiter and neptune what do you lot think may be the weakness in these. Thanks SY Thanks
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pidaua
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From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 23, 2004 10:14 AM
I am still laughing about the fecal food analogy...I crack myself up....I have Venus sextile Uranus...I am not sure if that means 
Duality -
How are you? My birth info is Dec 16, 1969 11:45pm Artesia, CA Sun: Sag
Moon: Aries
Merc: Cappy
Venus: Sag
Mars: Pisces
Jupiter: Scorp
Saturn: Taurus
Neptune: Scorp
Pluto: Virgo
Rising: Virgo
~Pidaua
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lioneye68
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posted April 23, 2004 10:48 AM
I'm feeling awkwardly conservative all of a sudden. But...just the idea of it makes my blood boil. I'd never be ok with an arrangement like that, whethor as the wife, or the 3rd person. I just couldn't...I'd rather walk right out into traffic. It would probably be hard to find a Leo woman who WOULD be ok with that.HE11 NO! Not gonna happen. Of course, I've never actually been confronted with a situation like that eithor, so ...I have no frame of referrence. I'm just opposed to it on principal alone. Sorry, but I doubt that man who marries me is going to be that fortunate...and if that's what it takes to keep him, I'd just as soon let him go.
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pidaua
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posted April 23, 2004 10:53 AM
Lioneye...chiquita...I am with you on that one!!!I cannot share my man..I can share my money, food, home...but not my MAN!!! LOL.....and I doubt any man would have the energy to explore other territory after being with me... I know Mr.Leo didn't - and still hasn't recooperated according to this mornings conversation. Ahhh, now that he is working again he is loving life - even if he is spent by the end of the day - but like he said "If you were here, no matter how tired I was...you'd be my little mosquito...pushing for more" LMAO.....that is one of my nicknames..the little mosquito - buzzing around...."come on...lets play.....hee hee". Well, we'll see what happens when I get out to Idaho - for now - I am still FREE IP: Logged |
pidaua
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From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
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posted April 23, 2004 02:04 PM
By the way - I just wanted to add. I am not putting down any other persons lifestyle choice. I know what is right for me and what I like in my life, which does not jive with everyone's choices. In the same respect, I am not a loser because I do not wish to participate in another alternative lifestyle.Life is beautiful in that we DO have choices and we can all listen to other perspectives. Lioneye, By complete lack of ego do you mean that LLL is open to sharing without the same self-centeredness that you and I share? Or do you think it is an indication of a lack of self-respect. I think it is the former - because it would take someone so incredibly comfortable in their skin to cope with being so open. But I don't want to put words in your mouth LOL... IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
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From: ON Canada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 23, 2004 02:16 PM
I totally respect you, Pidaua, and Lioneye's points of view on this.. You didn't treat this as your podium, and though you didn't sprinkle words like PERSONALLY and IN MY OPINION to clarify like the readers were hard pressed to get the point..  I thought you stated your personal feelings in a respectful way... not questioning others, but saying, "For me, it is like this..."
Which is why this thread got a tad disrespectful in the first place.
I totally get that you wouldn't share your partner, or open yourself up to something that isn't positive for you... Why would you? If you don't feel it, it is self-defeating. No Martyrs here, as far as the eye can see.My problem was not with the personal point of view, (to each their own) It was with the way the point of view was presented.. (To each only mine, and defended and talked about until the point was well-made, but not any clearer.) IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted April 23, 2004 02:32 PM
Yes, Pid, that's what I meant, something like that, anyway. Certainly didn't mean it in a condescending way, that's for sure.  Pixie, are saying that you would happily share your man with another woman? Because that's what we're talking about here, right? Open relationships? Willingly sharing our partner sexually? Not talking about the "What he/she doesn't know can't hurt him/her" kind of thing, which is entirely different....but I don't like that one eithor. I'm a hopeless idealist/hard-nose in relationships. IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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From: nevada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 23, 2004 04:00 PM
Pixie,
What did you mean by a tad disrespectful? And a problem with the way it was presented? Did you take offence? I hope not If I know anything, its that it take all kinds to make up this world. I am not suggesting that anyone live like that but we were originally discussing hard venus aspects (particularly uranus)
And Lioneyes
I do understand you and your point of view. Leo is a possessive and jealous sign. A prove to me you love me sign, which works for leos. But no I can't see them being open to those type of relationships. Unless everyone is fawning all over them constantly there not interested. The whole point in extended familys is everyone loves each other equally and everyone has something important to contribute. There is no jealousy between the women, because there is true love and respect for one another. IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 23, 2004 04:07 PM
I am , by nature, not nurture, Jealous. I mean after all, a Sun sign Scorpio , and a Leo rising? Hello!!!
I have found myself embracing many belief systems that I never would have years ago. I think I am becoming less fixed, if that is possible.
My partner, to be brutaly frank, has only had ONE sexual partner before me. If he should ever want to wander, to see... I would be honest with it, after all, I can't deny his growth as a person, for my own sense of security. I know I rock. That's never been in question.(Once again, Hello Leo and Scorpio)
But if he needs to travel elsewhere, to see HOW MUCH I actually rock, well, then that's what he must do. Not only to see what he's got, as he sees it ( which is a problem for me) But I understand how it is to be attracted to others. He has Sag rising/Mars Gemini/Pisces Venus, after all... I wonder why he is content to just be with me anyway.
That's the short version. Point is, I wouldn't adore him being with another, I wouldn't like, high-five him when he came home and ask for details, but I would understand the need and the desire, and would expect him to respect me, as I respect him. Also, I am open to sharing OUR bed with others as well.... which is a new thing I am learning about myself. I can't be hypocritical......
Lalalinda... No, hon, I appreciated your stance as well.... It was PPFM that I had the problem with, as evidenced by our earlier interactions....... Not her opinions, as I thought they were well thought out and work for her, but (once again, I HATE THIS TRAIT ABOUT PEOPLE) The condescending manner with which they were presented, though she will vehemently deny it, through using phrases such as PERSONALLY. As if that takes the emphasis off of pages of defense and blind-sided denial to see what she is actually saying and dissing, with her refusal to see anyone but her own points..... all the while denying she is being offensive, by circling around with language. But stinging in one sentance, and retracting in another.
Seriously, I wasn't even going to comment, but you asked.
Naw, I liked your points, lala,and they were arranged in an inoffensive manner.
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lioneye68
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posted April 23, 2004 04:50 PM
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But no I can't see them being open to those type of relationships. Unless everyone is fawning all over them constantly they're not interested.
I'm the only Leo participating in this discussion, yet I'm not alone on my views. I don't think that's why I'm opposed to it. You were on the right track up to that point, though. PS...Trill and Pixie are both Leo rising, yet they feel differently than me on this, so there goes that theory.  IP: Logged |
astro junkie
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posted April 23, 2004 05:00 PM
OK!! LOVE FEST EVERYONE!! LET'S ALL JUMP INTO PIXIE'S BED NOW!! PILLOW FIGHTS!! (no cameras to feed any homoerotic fantasies either)...hee hee You know what? I bet you the same person who comes across so high and mightly in defense and justification of their "beliefs" are thoroughly flawed. For example: I would NEVER in a million years have an affair with a married man. Never have, and never will. On the other hand, a woman might be like horrified over the thought of sharing an exotic babelicious double-scoop dessert with her man (while she's there), but would at the same time, defend & justify her right to someone else's husband behind closed doors. (wink) The other thing is knowing the place you come from, what your true motivations and intentions are. That usually takes EXPERIENCE and MATURITY. But once you know, (like most of us here do), it's all too easy and in fact a JOY to share opinions and learn from each other. For example: If you are coming from a place of ego, then that will be your springboard, and that's from where your momentum will originate. If you are coming from a place of giving and sharing, THAT will be your springboard. If you are coming from a place of fear, hate, arrogance, etc... That's why it's often easy to not get distracted by someone's fancy or infantile attempt to use language as if words were cow chips. That's as far as I'll go with that. It's not a matter of trying to fit everyone in a cookie-cutter. When I was younger, I was not always so eager to make love to a woman, or be made love to, for various reasons. Mainly fear and anxiety, both of which are VERY negative energies. And so, I raise a glass and toast all the nasty mutations negativity can take on. Aren't the infinitesimal variations just so very spectacular?  ------------------
it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness... IP: Logged |
pixelpixie
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posted April 23, 2004 05:07 PM
*Puts her shades on, opens the shutters and lounges back to watch ( and participate ) in the magnificent light show.*BTW~ I liked your points Gloria, very open minded, and well put. IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted April 23, 2004 05:12 PM
What the he11 are you trying to say? I think you were trying to be profound, but it didn't even make sense to me.can you dumb it down a little for us simpletons, with the simpleton values? IP: Logged |
astro junkie
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posted April 23, 2004 05:24 PM
Thanks Pix!
* in Italian Bronx accent *
You talkin' to ME Lioneye? IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted April 23, 2004 05:44 PM
Yeah, I was talking to you, but nevermind. I get it. You, and everyone who agrees with you is mature and enlightened and open and pure-hearted, and I, and everyone who doesn't agree is an immature egomanic...I get it. I'm glad you're happy with your alternative sex life. I find it curious that I keep getting hit with subtle jabs to my character, though, because I don't embrace YOUR choices/preferences for myself. Or, maybe I'm allowed to have a different view, as long as I keep it to myself...is that it? IP: Logged |
Carlo
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posted April 23, 2004 06:04 PM
yo AJ...I assume you are finally gettin that the little Leo Canucky is the walking definition of PRUDE. I knew this a long time ago, I wish I could have saved ya the grief Doh! Uranus opposite Sun...deal with it ~ He with three planets in Leo IP: Logged |
lioneye68
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posted April 23, 2004 06:29 PM
Ok, so I'm a prude now. But yet, I love sex, I mean LOVE LOVE LOVE sex...and I'm not talking about basic missionary position stuff here, I'm talking the full gammet even things that most women won't even TRY...but only within a one on one, committed, monogamous relationship.Somehow, I doubt if any man I've ever slept with would label me a prude....I doubt that very much. I simply won't share. So shoot me. IP: Logged | |
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