posted October 18, 2008 06:06 AM         

you guys are cracking me up. Guy made one of my favourite movies, Snatch. He's a diamond fella. Writes, directs, produces.

posted October 18, 2008 06:07 AM         

And there's something to be said for a high standard of personal hygiene. It shows respect for other people.

posted October 18, 2008 06:12 AM         

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My gut feeling about Madonna is that she is very honest.

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posted October 18, 2008 09:35 AM         

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it is not astrology, it is culture. she is so right about british men. speaking from experience

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posted October 18, 2008 09:45 AM         

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it is not astrology, it is culture. she is so right about british men. speaking from experience.

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posted October 18, 2008 11:49 AM         

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They include allegations that he told her she 'looked like a granny' on stage compared with her younger backing dancers. He is also alleged to have declared that she could not act, and was 'past it' after she turned 50.

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Deux, the Sun readers' comments are a good barometer of public opinion.

If I recall right, someone there says the person that shouts loudest in these cases is generally the one at fault. I get that one, it's the blame the victim thing. They're often the one that ends up bitter. Generalising of course.

The Daily Mail is more a middle-class moaners newspaper.

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The Mail has learned that Madonna's case will chronicle how she first fell for Ritchie because she felt he was a challenge and that he was tough enough to stand up to her.

However, she apparently soon started to become affected by her husband's alleged put- downs which eventually started to eat away at her legendary confidence.

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That's the Sun CNJ Mars, isn't it?

posted October 18, 2008 12:15 PM         

There's a bit of it about. From a little on the reserved side to emotionally underdeveloped is a large leap, however.

Funnily enough a Kenyan friend of mine said that for her daughter number one would be a British man. Because they would treat her with the most respect. She seemed to be less impressed with the track record of Latin Americans.

Am I reserved as a British woman?

Well, Oscar night Gwyneth Paltrow and Halle Berry style makes me cringe a little. Dry-eyed Dames Judi and Helen are more my cuppa.

Do I object to British men's reserve?

posted October 18, 2008 12:22 PM         

LOL!!

Brit men are emotional retards... Madonna is 100% correct, which is why l don't date them

posted October 18, 2008 12:39 PM         

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Aqua rising would fit her persona.

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posted October 18, 2008 12:41 PM         

I can't see him doing a kiss and tell with Hello.

Too reserved.

Someone has to have some dignity in the proceedings. Maybe he will prove me wrong and he will lash out with his own story or perhaps he will leak it out with a tawdry "a friend said". But I notice we never got that from Jude Law, it was always his ex-wife's side of the tale.

posted October 18, 2008 12:43 PM         

One has to question why one likes to slap her down, doesn't one?

I mean she has everything and she loves to sing... so let her!
Is she harming anyone?

I find it weird on astro where everyone is saying "she should retire" WHY????? She is doing what she loves so good luck to her. I certainly won't improve my life by being negative about her.

posted October 18, 2008 01:25 PM         

I read her brother's book a few days after it was released and I was wondering if she was including him in her list of "Emotionally Retarded" people in her life.

Although I still have mixed feelings about her brother writing the book about her, he works out a lot of his emotions in the book. I identified with a lot of what he explains in the book about her because I have a similar relationship with my brother who can turn cruel on a dime.

I've never been a fan of Madonna's music or her personality. I think it's fine that she is a success, but from the documentary she did on herself back in 1991 you can see that she doesn't really care how her actions hurt other people's feelings.

I thought that it was obvious that she enjoyed being married to a British man for one reason only. It made her look like she had some class. I've since heard that Guy Ritchie is actually a tough bloke, but from American eyes, he doesn't look tough at all. I've never been moved to see any of his movies, so I can only go by how he looks in the small press clips and news videos I've seen. He just looks like a bland guy. I got a better idea of who he was from Christopher Ciccone's book on him and it seems that the only thing that he and Madonna bonded on was their toughness. That's not a very warm bond and now it seems to have exploded in their faces.

The astrology shows that their marriage really ended when transiting Uranus crossed her Descendant. I remember telling a friend of mine who was getting divorced that Madonna and Guy Ritchie were the next to get divorced because after Uranus left my friend's Descendant at 3 degrees Pisces, it was moving on to Madonna's Descendant at 8 degrees Pisces.

So, really, none of this is a surprise to Madonna and Guy Ritchie. I heard that they lived separately in their home, separate bedrooms, separate wings of the house, whatever. But they had children to consider so they stretched it out a bit, but the crossing of Uranus over the Descendant ended their partnership as they wanted it. Actually, the partnership doesn't "End" it "Changes" which is what Uranus rules.

Then the day her brother's book came out, transiting Saturn was exactly on her ASC. It was a source of depression for her. And remember that the ASC is just one side of an axis that is the ASC/DSC axis. Saturn came along and "Ended" a relationship. Her brother and Guy soon followed as her tour started right away and it was announced that she may have had an affair with Alex Rodriguez.

Aaaahhh, so much celebrity fodder, I love it.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted October 18, 2008 01:51 PM         

BUT...I think she's much more vulnerable than she lets on and has a hard time dealing with her emotions. She's emotionally crippled too, but she'd never say.

And it takes two to tango. I'm sure he was no saint.

posted October 18, 2008 02:34 PM         

she does love to shock, but aqua rising - no. the first house virgo moon is very obvious(to me), the perfectionism which degenerates into criticism (extreme), the changeability, the earthy quality in everything she does and champions despite the ethereal, mystical connection to the kabbalah. the 12th house planets account for THAT.

mr madonna is a perfect hook for her "stuff" and the saturn connections appear to be playing out pretty typically...the initial appreciation and sense of security degenerating into feeling stifled and rejected is CLASSIC.

but the real culprit is not saturn or guy, but madonnas heavy leo emphasis that is sitting in the 12th, repressed so to speak, and needing everything leo needs, attention, glory, pampering, DRAMA - you all know what i mean...

PLUS she is 10 years older, and heading into her chiron return - for someone who is SO physical and used to being "sexy" this is probably pretty scary even if she has no idea about chiron! also he is in the middle of his uranus opposition...

i remember stuart wilde talking about how the british national character would rather be right than kind. she found this attractive in guy for years, again the saturnian trap...

but crikey, if you don't like british men don't marry them! maybe if her sun was a little freer (not pent up in 12th) she would show a little more class but she is not only madonna but "primadonna" and she never can keep her mouth shut about her feelings ... still, she married the english rose dream, lived the americanized version of the british Lady, the estate, the horses, all that rot...but when it came down to it she really wasn't british and didn't understand his responses, from what it sounds like! i know plenty of english men who are anything BUT emotional retards, though you do have to be able to read between the lines a lot of the time!