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Topic: "Emotional Retard"?
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 06:21 AM
 
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It's called marketing.
Totally agreed. There's millions of artists that aren't successful that would be just as good, if not better than Madonna and didn't sell records for myriads of reasons, eg didn't want to be on a major label, didn't have the desire for world recognition, wrong place-wrong time, music too futuristic etc.
It's a bit like the Stephanie Rice fiasco, PA. The media keep on saying she's hot and she can be a supermodel. Talking about someone continuously does not make them hot. Selling records continuously doesn't mean they are musically the best.
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PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 6678
From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted October 20, 2008 06:25 AM
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There's millions of artists that aren't successful
Yeah, I never quite got that. How someone with a brilliant voice and genuine talent who sings from their soul doesn't always reach the audience or success that sometimes a heartless beat and bad vocals can. It comes down to the publicity machine, I suppose. IP: Logged |
Lara
Knowflake Posts: 3274
From: London
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 06:27 AM
Opinion = Judgment. We've got a right to judge as an individual if she fits into our own personal taste. I don't agree with how you want to always shut down someone when you don't agree, you shout them down.It's not personal and i'm not shouting you down so no need to go into defensive mode nor project!  I'm just saying that you don't have a right to judge another unless you have walked a mile in her shoes and you haven't!!! You can say "i think she can be in bad taste" but you can't say "She shouldn't dress so provocatively" - she's the same as you and me and she is incredibly intelligent and obviously successful so good for her! Judging an individual behind their back when the reasons for judging her are not even worth the paper they are written on is just incredulous me thinks... please don't now judge me for my opinion otherwise my next post will be pot kettle black LOL You know, l always think that when we have such strong opinions about others we should look inside ourselves and ask "What do l hate about myself that l feel the need to hate in another"  Peace x IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 06:27 AM
Absolutely, and when publicity is created and the public get the first taste of it and are hooked, the artist is then made. The allure is created and it keeps recycling especially if the stories and publicity is juicy. Just look at Britney or anyone else like Paris, even Duran.IP: Logged |
Lara
Knowflake Posts: 3274
From: London
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 06:34 AM
ok you are all right.. Madonna is not successful, has a crap voice and is not sexy nor magnetic in an way... oh, and the world must be full of morons then who only buy sh1te singles LOL!!!!!!This information supplied by Warner Bros. Brazil demonstrates Madonna's amazing singles sales success around the world.
Everybody - 450,000
Burning Up - 300,000
Lucky Star - 750,000
Holiday - 1,500,000
Borderline - 1,350,000
Like A Virgin - 2,250,000
Material Girl - 1,440,000
Crazy For You - 2,275,000
Into The Groove - 1,500,000
Gambler - 600,000
Angel - 2,100,000
Dress You Up - 1,000,000
Love Don't Live Here Anymore - 250,000
Live To Tell - 1,590,000
Papa Don't Preach - 2,300,000
True Blue - 1,800,000
Open Your Heart - 1,500,000
La Isla Bonita - 1,400,000
Who's That Girl - 1,650,000
Causing A Commotion - 1,300,000
The Look Of Love - 500,000
Spotlight - 350,000
Like A Prayer - 4,200,000
Express Yourself - 1,650,000
Cherish - 1,250,000
Oh Father - 1,000,000
Dear Jessie - 350,000
Keep It Together - 1,000,000
Vogue - 5,900,000
Hanky Panky - 1,200,000
Justify My Love - 3,025,000
Rescue Me - 1,150,000
This Used To Be My Playground - 3,025,000
Erotica - 1,340,000
Deeper And Deeper - 900,000
Bad Girl - 700,000
Fever - 500,000
Rain - 1,000,000
Bye Bye Baby - 350,000
I'll Remember - 1,750,000
Secret - 1,800,000
Take A Bow - 1,500,000
Bedtime Story - 1,000,000
Human Nature - 800,000
You'll See - 1,550,000
Love Don't Live Here Anymore - 400,000
You Must Love Me - 1,000,000
Don't Cry For Me Argentina - 1,200,000
Another Suitcase In Another Hall - 500,000
Frozen - 2,600,000
Ray Of Light - 1,500,000
Drowned World/Substitute For Love - 700,000
The Power Of Good-Bye - 900,000
Nothing Really Matters - 800,000
Beautiful Stranger - 1,700,000
American Pie - - 2,500,000
Music - 3,500,000
Don't Tell Me - 2,100,000
What It Feels Like For A Girl -1,000,000
Die Another Day - 1,700,000
just give her some credibility!!!!!!!!!
unless of course you don't think this list is impressive.
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 06:34 AM
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You can say "i think she can be in bad taste" but you can't say "She shouldn't dress so provocatively" - she's the same as you and me and she is incredibly intelligent and obviously successful so good for her!
That's what I said and that is both an opinion and a judgment. To say that I don't like her, I made a decision that I don't like her and judge her "negatively" from there, for example. I just don't agree with you. It is right to not judge everything but it's come to the point with the world that everything is seeing as being judgmental. Judgment is required for the sake of an individual's morality. Sure, I haven't worked a mile in her shoes but her behaviour indicates otherwise. You can watch "In Bed With Madonna", watch interviews and other things and you can detect her attitude from her interview. She might be different in private because not everything in a person can be expressed publicly. However, I've got a right to judge her on her public behaviour. I can only make the assumption that it carries over to some extent in her private sphere. Courts and the legal system, societ, people every day form judgments in order to move on in life.
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Lara
Knowflake Posts: 3274
From: London
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 06:35 AM
Madonna's worldwide sales tally is hovering around 130-140 millionFunnily enough, the USA is Madonna's greatest fan IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 6678
From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted October 20, 2008 06:36 AM
23Yes, you're right. Because when you think about it the same stories are hashed and then re-hashed forever. The same notorious (no pun) stories of Duran Duran sleeping with all the Girls On Film models - and even our GodZala thread - the guys there - the same stories are rehashed for years. Rafe will NEVER live down the airline hostess. Jude will never live down the nanny thing. And RDJ - well, he's in a world of his own there. It's the stigma. And people like to remind you - this stuff is far more interesting. And scandalous. Guy Ritchie - no matter what other talents or merits - will always now be primarily referred to as Madonna's former husband. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 06:37 AM
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just give her some credibility!!!!!!!!!
She's a talented performer, morpher and user of the media. She has some ability to hold a tune. She is not to my taste, not my favourite musician and she maybe to a musicologist/music professor might not be objectively the most talented individual. Modern pop music is not only about talent, there are many things else that go with it such as image, sex appeal etc etc. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 6678
From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted October 20, 2008 06:38 AM
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Funnily enough, the USA is Madonna's greatest fan
Seems like you might be her number one fan. Doesn't sway me - I don't care about her sales - it's good marketing - she has a mediocre voice and very little acting talent, at best - and that's not a judgement - that's an opinion. She's still mutton dressed up as lamb to me. No matter which way you portray her. IP: Logged |
Lara
Knowflake Posts: 3274
From: London
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 06:39 AM
okso tell me, WHO is going to suffer from your "negative judging". Is she going to? Do you know her? no!!!!!!! YOU are going to suffer... your immediate future is now going to be negative because you chose to beat up Madonna.
I hope it was worth it
I also hope you can see what i'm getting at cos it sucks! IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
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posted October 20, 2008 06:39 AM
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Guy Ritchie - no matter what other talents or merits - will always now be primarily referred to as Madonna's former husband.
Which is unfortunate for him as he might be talented in his own right. But yes, these things never die down, it just recycles, hypes and makes the person(s) bigger. Madonna also falls in this class. It's the legend that is created by these people that we fall in love with, just like Levi's Jeans - "Do You Fit The Legend?" IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 06:41 AM
Lara - if I don't like her, how would that affect you?I mean what are you, do you secretly work for her as her personal assistant? Most of the time in life I don't even *think* about Madonna. She's most of the time she's just this image on TV that I don't pay attention to because most of the time, she's boring to me! It's only now that we have this disagreement that the whole thing is bothering me. I was fine before disagreeing with who she was. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 6678
From: Australia
Registered: May 2008
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posted October 20, 2008 06:41 AM
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Which is unfortunate for him as he might be talented in his own right.
Yes, I think he is - very talented actually. But you know - maybe the same thing will happen to him that happened with Nicole Kidman when she parted with Tom Cruise and that he'll be out from under that umbrella and do his own thing. I think he'll also have a lot of public sympathy. But also - people will be curious about him too.
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Lara
Knowflake Posts: 3274
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posted October 20, 2008 06:42 AM
jealousyLOL It affects me cos the planet is riddled with negativity. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 6678
From: Australia
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posted October 20, 2008 06:44 AM
Lara quote:
YOU are going to suffer... your immediate future is now going to be negative because you chose to beat up Madonna.
You crack me up. You are one of the funniest people on-site.  Priceless!
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 06:45 AM
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jealousy
Jealous? What of? Pointy cone bras?
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PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 6678
From: Australia
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posted October 20, 2008 06:47 AM
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Pointy cone bras
LOL - you mean you DON'T wear those? Doesn't everyone? Oh, I'd better go change. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
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posted October 20, 2008 06:49 AM
Oh please, I've got a right not like Madonna. Full stop. Just like I don't care for George Clooney or Shane Warne or Angelina Jolie or John Howard or Paul Keating or Kyle Sandilands. Welcome to the world of bad synastry. We all can't like each other. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
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From: Australia
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posted October 20, 2008 06:50 AM
23If you're not jealous - you realise what that makes you don't you? An emotional retard, right? Ah, we had to get back to thread somehow. ROFL. ROFL. ROFL. ROFL. ROFL. I'll meet you back at the other thread shortly. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 20, 2008 06:52 AM
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An emotional retard, right?
I guess I must be, it's all that air, particularly that detached Libran Moon. I had to get Meta to tell me that I have feelings today, you saw it. IP: Logged |
Lara
Knowflake Posts: 3274
From: London
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posted October 20, 2008 06:52 AM
still haven't figured out how to do 'quotes'Lara
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YOU are going to suffer... your immediate future is now going to be negative because you chose to beat up Madonna.
You crack me up. You are one of the funniest people on-site. Priceless!
Actually PeaceAngel, for once i'm deadly serious
Have a great day everyone.. i'm off out now x IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 6678
From: Australia
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posted October 20, 2008 06:53 AM
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We all can't like each other.
Can you imagine if there was only one type of thing that everyone else found attractive? Only one person would be desirable. What does that do for the rest of us 7 billion people. Makes for a lonely life. We'd all be fighting over that one ideal person. IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel
Knowflake Posts: 6678
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posted October 20, 2008 06:54 AM
Irony is a beautiful thing.IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
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posted October 20, 2008 06:54 AM
Seeya Lara, have a good one  quote:
Can you imagine if there was only one type of thing that everyone else found attractive? Only one person would be desirable. What does that do for the rest of us 7 billion people. Makes for a lonely life. We'd all be fighting over that one ideal person.
Exactly, difference makes the world go round. We hate those that differ from us but where would be if they weren't around? We wouldn't even be able to figure our own personal tastes for example.
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