posted October 18, 2008 04:21 AM         

The rest of the article is he said she said.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article1820051.ece

It made me think for two reasons, cultural and astrological. Skip over the first paragraph to get to the astrological stuff.

Partly I get where she is coming from (if we assume what she says about being uptight is true). I know boys who only ever shook their father's hand after the age of 5. Now I find that weird. On the other side of the street my sons' father has a different cultural upbringing and is far more demonstrative. He has questioned if he should change ~ I said no. Oh, and my father isn't from this country either. We're probably all more touchy-feely than is the average for our social environment.

Moon and Saturn

I astro-snooped Guy Ritchie and I notice that the Moon conjoins Saturn on his day of birth. I suspect he may have the conjunction.

If so this explains a lot.

"Emotional retard" are the words of a hurt and angry person. It's not really fair for this combination of planets, in my view.

My brother and my father both have the Square. I have never found them cold, unemotional, or underdeveloped emotionally. They tend to be private in their emotions, they don't gush, but those feelings are there, you just have to tune into them. You can't expect them to flow out and head your way.

In times of crisis they are the men you want around. They keep their feelings in check and will make sure all the practical details are taken care of ~ they are both very good at First Aid.

I have the Trine, so maybe that is why I think there is merit in the Moon/Saturn placement that is underappreciated. I'm defending myself, lol.

The horse incident

I wondered what mr bm would do. I thought: he would rush offer to the hospital to make sure I was O.K, and if I tried to persaude him not to bother he would insist.

I asked him what he would do. He doesn't do celeb gossip so didn't know about this incident. I said car crash, in case he wondered what I was doing on a horse.

He said: I would want to know what hospital you were in so I could get there to make sure you were O.K. Got it right, hurrah!

I told him that allegedly the husband in question had said: never mind old girl, you'll be alright, you're a tough old bird.

He screwed his face up and laughed.

So, sorry Guy, it's nil points from the voting representative from France.

posted October 18, 2008 04:23 AM         

I haven't looked at Mad's chart in a while but if she for example would have her moon in a very firey place for example, then maybe Guy's emotions would grate on her and be too slow.

posted October 18, 2008 04:32 AM         

I can imagine how she felt shaken by this incident, and realised how dangerous it could have been. She needs to feel soothed.

But I can get where he is coming from ~ he's checked that she is O.K. She has broken bones but it's not fatal, fussing over her is only going to increase the sense of panic.

He might even have said something like 'tough old bird' in a jokey way to make her laugh and calm things down. Not great for a diva with broken ribs.

Bit of a flight of imagination there, obviously I don't know, I'm working on the Sun (as in tabloid) and instincts.

posted October 18, 2008 04:39 AM         

He has, possibly, Moon Aries Conjunct Saturn Trine Mars.

Maybe there is something about them quite alike. But you can only fit one pair of legs in one pair of trousers.

posted October 18, 2008 04:45 AM         

I guess as you say BM, it's just emotions that are out of tune or something. I have to examine the charts more thoroughly but the fact that his Moon is in Aries and hers in Virgo isn't going help as they are naturally quincunx. He however does have the earthing Saturn. Saturn would make him reserved and practical about how things are done. Fire moons act and can be "insensitive", I've seen it with my mother with her Leo Moon. In this case, he would've acted to stop the problem, ie deal with her physical injuries not sooth her psychologically. Add Saturn and another dimension of practicality comes across.

posted October 18, 2008 05:24 AM         

My mother is Aries Moon. She can come out with some horrible things in the heat of the moment, she just doesn't think. And I wonder if she can sometimes truly recognise that the Moon/Saturn types in the family have feelings that they don't show, and they don't want to have to explain?

Anyway, Mama Moon is Leo Sun, Aries Moon, a chart filled with Fire and Water. I am Gemini Sun, Libra Moon, a chart filled with Earth and Air. We're not really on the same emotional wavelength.

The Sun and Saturn aspects ~ I get you.

I also think the Sun CNJ Mars is a big deal in this relationship. At first it is attractive, he is the Mars who will challenge her Sun. But ultimately, being in the sign of Leo, it is a real clash of egos.

Actually I have this on my synastry with mr bm. But there I am Mars, he is the Sun ~ and it's in Aqua. A sign that likes equality.

Also he is really Sun CNJ Saturn. On my natal chart Saturn is the only planet that doesn't aspect Mars. Although Mars CNJ Saturn is an ugly synastric combination, I do feel that it provides my Mars energy with a solidity and structure it lacks natally. My butt does need kicking.

posted October 18, 2008 05:28 AM         

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"Emotional retard" are the words of a hurt and angry person. It's not really fair for this combination of planets, in my view.

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Sometimes it's not fair or right to say that someone is something because often it's the dynamic that we create together. So, they are only like that with that person. Different people bring out different things in us and that can equally be the best or worst. We're all susceptible. He may be that way with her - if it's indeed true - because he may have just built a lack of tolerance to certain aspects about her - like attention seeking, etc.

posted October 18, 2008 05:33 AM         

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Different people bring out different things in us and that can equally be the best or worst. We're all susceptible

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That should be lit up in neon.

There would be a lot less heartbreak around if people really thought on it.

posted October 18, 2008 05:36 AM         

Agreed. I'm not a fan. I love some of her dance music - great to get down to, but I'm not a fan of her. I kinda see her in the same light as Paris Hilton - anything for publicity and attention.

posted October 18, 2008 05:37 AM         

Re Virgo ASC - Madonna also changes her appearance and image very easily, she is the model for everyone else really. Aqu ASC would have an alternative look but fixed/unchanging over time - eg Audrey Hepburn.

posted October 18, 2008 05:40 AM         

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Re Virgo ASC - Madonna also changes her appearance and image very easily, she is the model for everyone else really. Aqu ASC would have an alternative look but fixed/unchanging over time - eg Audrey Hepburn.

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posted October 18, 2008 05:43 AM         

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Her Virgo ascendant is official (birth time confirmed by her father and the hospital). She tried to give herself a more interesting ascendant (no offence to Virgos!) in some interview, but that was proved a lie. She has also tried to start a rumour she was born in 1959 instead of 1958.

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posted October 18, 2008 05:43 AM         

I've seen some other websites with her Aqua ASC, and I think Aquarius ASC would suit her really well. But there's loads of astro info on her with Virgo ASC as well... (??)

If I'd have to guess by her life, looks and personality, I'd say Aqua. She definitely has Virgo Moon, which gives her a lot of Virgo anyway. But I don't know.