posted October 19, 2008 06:04 AM         

And that is, that it's NOT that she is too old to perform but it might be that she is too old to dance around in leotards and in an overtly sexual manner.

There is a desperation about her now. Instead of relaxing into another type of presentation of her art, she appears to be clinging on to the image that she had in the early 80's.

She hasn't reinvented herself this time she has rehashed herself.
That video with Justin Timberlake was strangely disturbing. He looked awkward as if he didn't know how to respond to a menopausal woman thrusting herself at him and I found myself thinking "Oh no...stop this now..

I think Madonna has found the only area of her life that she has been unable to control and that is aging.
She reminds me now of Bette Davis in "Whatever happened to Baby Jane"

But the one thing in Guys defence is that he said he would not take a penny from her.
Now that is an old fashioned British attitude and one to be applauded.
Most British men would not be caught suing for emotional distress.

posted October 19, 2008 06:16 AM         

ummm isn't Tina Turner in her 70's? lol

posted October 19, 2008 06:34 AM         

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I think Lady Neptune said it.
Madonna is more vulnerable than she lets on.
And I think what happened, is that Guy voiced (unpleasantly) what non of the toadies who surround her would dare.

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I think this is karma. She was known to be domineering and mean to people and I think she finally met her match. She was attracted to someone like herself except he was stronger and maybe she never expected to be put in her place.

If you look at the astrology, there is definitely:

His Sun/Jup conj Her Moon. Her Moon is actually the apex of the t-square, Saturn is the final member. She didn't approve of the natural leadership of his expanded Sun. She was happy to follow with her Moon but ultimately didn't like it.

Otherwise, there might be a chance of His Moon trine her Sun but that is no match for the conjunction in terms of strength. Plus his Saturn and Moon were on her SN opp her Jup. He would take down her optimism like she did to him but he would drag her back in a Saturnine fashion and an emotional fashion. It looks like that she pulled the plug. Her NN is in Libra, his is in Aries, no opp between them but going in different directions.

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And that is, that it's NOT that she is too old to perform but it might be that she is too old to dance around in leotards and in an overtly sexual manner.

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Agreed, I think you can still be sexy when you are old but not in the way that she did it.

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There is a desperation about her now. Instead of relaxing into another type of presentation of her art, she appears to be clinging on to the image that she had in the early 80's.

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It's called aging. She knows she's not young and she like everyone of us thought that we were to be forever young in our younger days. Young is when you think you are invincible and immortal. As I was saying yesterday to someone else, it must be awfully hard to have the world at your feet when you are young and to be in such an immensely powerful position. It must be awfully hard being someone who was known for their beauty or sexual prowess (eg model, singer) and to watch their image just melt away by age. She is lucky that she still has fame that requires no further work. She's addicted to the power and wants to stay on top but knows that her youth is gone. She knows that she can't be young again. I know how she feels, I'm only 32 and I know logically I am still young but then you see the young kids out there on the streets with their carefree ways and you think how reserved and "old" you might appear. I think this is particularly hard on women who are emulated to be beautiful and to be thought only as beautiful. Men are seen to be better as they get older, women are considered worthless IMHO (unless you're Helen Mirren lol).

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She hasn't reinvented herself this time she has rehashed herself.
That video with Justin Timberlake was strangely disturbing. He looked awkward as if he didn't know how to respond to a menopausal woman thrusting herself at him and I found myself thinking "Oh no...stop this now..

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I agree re reinvention. Every time the Timberlake video came on TV I didn't bother to watch it. However, remember that Timberlake is going to be an old dude. Pitt's already showing it...

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I think Madonna has found the only area of her life that she has been unable to control and that is aging.
She reminds me now of Bette Davis in "Whatever happened to Baby Jane"

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I guess so.

posted October 19, 2008 08:11 AM         

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And that is, that it's NOT that she is too old to perform but it might be that she is too old to dance around in leotards and in an overtly sexual manner

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posted October 19, 2008 08:15 AM         

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Men are seen to be better as they get older, women are considered worthless IMHO (unless you're Helen Mirren lol).

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posted October 19, 2008 10:21 AM         

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"A Friend" has spoken!

But in the News of the World, so there isn't a pinch generous enough for the salt.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article48773.ece

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The friend also revealed how Guy poured his heart out to him about his distaste for his wife’s bulging muscles.

“After a few drinks one evening Guy said it was like cuddling up to a piece of gristle,” said his pal.

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We uncover Guy’s secret HATRED of her obsession with the mystic religion Kabbalah, which exploded one night with him storming at her: “You think it has made you a better person? It’s made you worse, you selfish cow!”

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MADONNA’S love for Guy was heading for the rocks—from the moment he FORGOT to get her a present on their FIRST VALENTINE’S DAY, pals revealed yesterday.

When the film director realised his mistake he had to dash to a PETROL STATION to buy the superstar a last-minute bunch of basic blooms.

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posted October 19, 2008 10:33 AM         

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Regardless of how much she works out and how much surgery she has, her body will still age on the inside and we all end up the same - in a box.

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posted October 19, 2008 10:44 AM         

ROFL

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MADONNA’S love for Guy was heading for the rocks—from the moment he FORGOT to get her a present on their FIRST VALENTINE’S DAY, pals revealed yesterday.

When the film director realised his mistake he had to dash to a PETROL STATION to buy the superstar a last-minute bunch of basic blooms.

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I'd be grateful (and surprised) if my husband bothered to make that much effort for me on my birthday, let alone Valentine's Day.

posted October 19, 2008 11:13 AM         

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If l look like Madonna at 50 then i'll happily still wear corsets, short skirts and look damn sexy!!!

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Overexercised and horribly aged?
If we wanna talk about class, dignity and perhaps "Britishness", then yes age=certain restriction.
Unfortunately, these days, too many old hags wander around thinking they-re hot s**t and ridiculing themselves.
Hey! you have an amazing body, congratz to you. Still, behave appropriately.

posted October 19, 2008 11:19 AM         

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if my husband bothered to make that much effort for me on my birthday

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mr bm bought me a book on Stalinist oppression for my birthday.

posted October 19, 2008 11:20 AM         

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mr bm bought me a book on Stalinist oppression for my birthday.

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See, now, if only Guy had done that for Madonna..........

posted October 19, 2008 11:24 AM         

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British people are not afraid of speaking their minds and criticize everyone and everything [sometimes, a tad too much]

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Very true, we tend to be a cynical lot.

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when it came down to it she really wasn't british and didn't understand his responses, from what it sounds like! i know plenty of english men who are anything BUT emotional retards, though you do have to be able to read between the lines a lot of the time!

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I pretty much agree with the sum total of katatonic's post

posted October 19, 2008 01:04 PM         

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Madonna's convinced British men are light years behind Americans when it comes to emotional honesty and sophistication.

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posted October 19, 2008 04:23 PM         

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"Forgetting" her birthday and bringing flowers from the gas station

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posted October 19, 2008 07:57 PM         

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...It just seems mechanical, passionless. The video with J.T ~ case in point....

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I think that's the problem - without her public sexual persona, Madonna is really nothing. She NEEDS the adoration of the masses. That's where she gets her sense of security.

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Correctomundo. In some way, she is the best example of Leo at it's most extreme (in terms of bad qualities of Leos). When she's up high, she looks down upon all and makes it known that she is queen. When she's down on her chips, she looks like a desperate child looking for attention. The Valentine stuff also indicates that. She requires attention and stillatlarge is right in that she is a Leo and needs to be treated well. All this from a 12 th house Sun too!

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If l look like Madonna at 50 then i'll happily still wear corsets, short skirts and look damn sexy!!!

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I wouldn't say she's horribly aged but I would agree that she is too muscley for my taste.

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Valentine's Day is overrated anyway

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And for all of us that are in the know, we know that St Valentine Day is celebrated bang smack in the middle of Aqu, which is associated with friendship. My understanding is that St Valentine's Day was originally a day to celebrate friendships....now for the politically minded, it's a Capitalist ploy to extract money from consumers