posted January 12, 2010 11:15 AM         

You spoke of consistency, there is something called "internal consistency". A liar or fabricator will mix up the details in every recall of the experience. Truthful people get it right all the time. My cousin recalls every detail precisely. I love it when his eye details match up like textbook NLP when he recalls the events."

I am posting something from Social and Emotional Problems Related to Dyslexia by
Dr. Michael Ryan. It's at International Dyslexia Association site.

Dr. Michael Ryan is a psychologist with a
private practice in Grand Rapids, MI. He
specializes in working with people with learning disabilities. A dyslexic himself, Dr. Ryan is a past president of the Michigan Branch of the International Dyslexia Association (IDA) and a former national vice president of IDA..

The dyslexic frequently has problems with social relationships. These can be traced to causes:
▪ Dyslexic children may be physically and
socially immature in comparison to their peers.
This can lead to a poor self-image and less peer acceptance.
▪ Dyslexics’ social immaturity may make them
awkward in social situations.
▪ Many dyslexics have difficulty reading social cues. They may be oblivious to the amount of personal distance necessary in social interactions or insensitive to other people’s body language.
▪ Dyslexia often affects oral language
functioning. Affected persons may have trouble finding the right words, may stammer, or may pause before answering direct questions. This puts them at a disadvantage as they enter adolescence, when language becomes more central to their relationships with peers.

My clinical observations lead me to believe that,just as dyslexics have difficulty remembering the sequence of letter or words, they may also have difficulty remembering the order of events. For example, let us look at a normal playground interaction between two children. A dyslexic child takes a toy that belongs to another child,who calls the dyslexic a name. The dyslexic then hits the other child. In relating the experience, the dyslexic child may reverse the sequence of events. He may remember that the other child called him a name, and he then took the toy and hit the other child.

This presents two major difficulties for the
dyslexic child. First, it takes him longer to learn from his mistakes. Second, if an adult witnessed the events, and asks the dyslexic child happened, the child seems to be lying.

Unfortunately, most interactions between
children involve not three events, but 15 to 20. With his sequencing and memory problems, the dyslexic may relate a different sequence of events each time he tells the tale. Teachers,parents, and psychologists conclude that he is either psychotic or a pathological liar.
http://www.interdys.org/ewebeditpro5/upload/Social_and_Emotion_Problems_Related_to_Dyslexia.pdf

any ways...I posted the above stuff to make a point that neurodivergents are hard to pin down when it comes to communications and social interactions and that you can't always tell a person is being dishonest by speech patterns,body language as well as having problems with details,sequence when it comes to recalling things.

I know this personally,and so do many other neurodivergents.

Neurotypicals need to understand that.

Neurodivergents can't be judged based on the biases,perceptions of neurotypical majority.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 12, 2010 12:28 PM         

This is not meant as a judgement of ANY of you, just an observation from a bit outside it.

Polo,

if I understand you right, you want to find a way to PROVE that twinflames exist and if they do exist, find a way to be able to (scientifically) recognize them without a mistake. (Please correct me, if I got the wrong impression)

Right now, I don´t think that it can be done. Of course that is only my opinion, and my inability to notice the patterns (if there are any) doesn`T mean there are none, but that I just can`t see them right now, and therefor I can`t give you or even myself any kind of proof (based on our five senses).

BTW I was thinking about that question you asked the other day; I think you asked to say how we would see ourselves regarding knowledge (or was it God knowledge?) on a scale from 0 - 10.

I didn`t respond, because like Glaucus I just couldn`t say.

But I was thinking about the reason for my inability to say if I am a zero or a three or whatever.

And I think I have found two reasons for it:

1st.

All the numbers are in relation to the highest one, 10; so if we see ourselves somewhere on that, we see our own knowledge in relation to God`s knowledge.

But since I am not God, I don`t really know what God knowledge includes, and therefor I can`t compare it to myself.

The second reason is maybe a "vague" one, but it is important to me.
I don`t consider myself as being a "Knower", instead I consider myself being a "Seeker".

I seek the truth (for example in astrology; what astrological aspects are truely valid for a certain kind of interpretation?), and on my way to the truth, I pass some knowledge, and I integrate it. Sometimes I will have to modify things I thought were true, because they just didn`t work (for example: the Magi astrology sais that Chiron conjunct or trine Venus is the sureshot sign of your soulmate, who will always treat you like a princess /a prince; nice idea, just it doesn`t fit reality).

posted January 12, 2010 12:57 PM         

quote:

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Sometimes I will have to modify things I thought were true, because they just didn`t work (for example: the Magi astrology sais that Chiron conjunct or trine Venus is the sureshot sign of your soulmate, who will always treat you like a princess /a prince; nice idea, just it doesn`t fit reality).

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posted January 12, 2010 01:34 PM         

But since I am not God, I don`t really know what God knowledge includes, and therefor I can`t compare it to myself.

The second reason is maybe a "vague" one, but it is important to me.
I don`t consider myself as being a "Knower", instead I consider myself being a "Seeker".

I love your response to the question.

I don't like telling people that I know stuff. Even with Astrology, I don't like telling people that I know it. I tell people that I have studied Astrology.

how do I know if I know Astrology which is considered a pseudoscience by scientists with word, science coming from the phrase "I know" which interestingly is the keyphrase for Aquarius. Especially,now I am growing more skeptical of mainstream Astrology to the point of completely diverging to the point that I develop my own Astrological system and won't even call it Astrology just like Reinhold Ebertin didn't call his system Astrology, but called it Cosmobiology.

but yeah....a lot of people think that they know stuff, but they don't necessarily know stuff. A lot of people think that they don't know stuff, but they do know some stuff. The perceptions of level of knowledge is relative. It can be based on what constitutes knowledge. These attitudes are prevalent in many people that in organized religions and scientific. I won't say all nor will I say most. A lot of people that are not in organized religions and science fields also have those attitudes.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 12, 2010 02:17 PM         

quote:

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And I just thought of Sokrates who said: I know that I don`t know anything.

But since I am not God, I don`t really know what God knowledge includes, and therefor I can`t compare it to myself.

• I don`t consider myself as being a "Knower"
• I don't like telling people that I know stuff.
• how do I know if I know Astrology which is considered a pseudoscience
• a lot of people think that they know stuff, but they don't necessarily know
• A lot of people think that they don't know stuff, but they do know some stuff.

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Why all this talk about Knowing? That wasn't the question I asked... I asked you to tell me where you think you might place on the scale, that's all. It's just a simple exercise. Whether you guys realize it or not, the reason that some were so reluctant to answer that question was FEAR. Fear of being wrong... Fear of being made to look foolish by others... Fear of tarnishing your image within the group. FEAR, Fear, fear... That's all it really is. You're so afraid of the question that you don't even see the question. It didn't ask What you Know, the question asked What you Think and of course, there is a big difference between the two

In every other instance when I ask for proof there seems to be no problem in giving opinions about what you think, but when I actually ask you to tell me what you think, suddenly you say can't do that without some proof. What in the world is wrong with you people? Do you converse simply to confuse things as opposed to clarifying them? Can any of you have a decent conversation without all of this apprehension and fear? Are you this way in real life as well? Pledge your allegiance to the TRUTH not to the Group and Fear not!

posted January 12, 2010 02:25 PM         

quote:

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Actually your problem is clear:
"Why am I not privileged to have these experiences". Hence the denial that others possess these gifts.

Start accepting the truths/experiences of your fellow human beings, and more wisdom will flow. Until then, the karma you create by belittling others truths has a way of insulating you from accessing higher knowledge from the current level.

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posted January 12, 2010 02:28 PM         

Is that why you ask? Just curious as you seem quite obsessed by this.

posted January 12, 2010 02:36 PM         

quote:

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And quite frankly I don`t care.

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If you don't care then why did you bring it up? I asked that question two days ago!

quote:

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Actually your problem is clear:
"Why am I not privileged to have these experiences". Hence the denial that others possess these gifts.

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posted January 12, 2010 02:47 PM         

I was thinking about it and shared my thoughts. That`s all.

posted January 12, 2010 04:31 PM         

please lay off DD

IMHO I believed that she gave a great answer to your question. Come to think of it, I believe that she gave the best answer. That's just my opinion.

Today,I told my shaman friend,Steve about your question. He responded that just answering it shows where they are at. He wouldn't have bothered to answer the question.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 12, 2010 04:38 PM         

you really have knight-qualities, do you know that?
I appreciate it very much, that you support me.
BTW where is the asteroid "Knight" in your chart?

posted January 12, 2010 04:53 PM         

I see it clearly in Magi having been a member for 4 years than I do in normal synastry on here.

posted January 12, 2010 04:58 PM         

I don't believe in it.

Chiron is a centaur which means that it's an asteroid-comet half-breed. These objects orbit beyond Jupiter.

In 1977, Chiron was the first one was discovered. In 1992, Pholus was the second discovered which proved that Chiron wasn't alone. It was the same year that the 2nd transneptunian object was discovered after Pluto which was discovered in 1930.

Before the discovery of the kuiper belt in 1992, it was widely believed that Chiron came from outside our solar system. It was thought that it was going to leave our solar system. The Astrologers that wrote books on Chiron even wrote that. Now, that's proven not to be true. The discovery of the kuiper belt shows that our solar system extends far beyond than what we previously thought. It's now thought that the centaurs actually originate from the kuiper belt which is also the source of comets.

Magi Astrology was developed based on Chiron being the only centaur. It ignores all the other centaurs including even Chariklo which is larger and brighter than Chiron. Chariklo is named after Chiron's wife.

If Magi Astrologers use Chiron,why not use all the other centaurs. That's how I feel about Pluto. If Astrologers use Pluto, why not all the other transneptunian objects.

There are a lot of centaurs in our solar system. How many?

Here is a list of centaurs from Zane Stein's site:

To put things in perspective, here is a list of the relative diameters of most of the Centaurs, to the best of our knowledge. These sizes may change somewhat, as more accurate measurements are taken:

ESTIMATED SIZES

CENTAUR DIAMETER
IN KM
1995 SN55 278
Chariklo 270
2002 GZ32 192
Pholus 187
Chiron 163
Bienor 133
Amycus 121
Hylonome 111
2002 FY36 92
2003 UW292 92
#121725 (1999 XX143) 84
2002 PQ152 84
2002 QX47 84
2003 QC112 80
#120061 73
Thereus 70
Crantor 67
Asbolus 66
1996 PX33 61
Cyllarus 61
Echeclus 55
2001 KF77 55
Nessus 53
#119315 51
Elatus 47
2002 KY14 46
2000 C0104 42
2002 DH5 40
2003 UY292 40
1999 JV127 37
Pelion 37
2003 UA118 30
2000 SN331 29
119976 29
2003 QD112 29
2001 XZ255 27
2002 VG131 25
Okyrhoe 24
2000 FZF3 23
1994 TA 22
2001 BL41 20
2002 CA249 18
2003 LH7 14
2003 QP112 13
1999 HD12 12
2003 QN112 12
2002 TK301 9
1996 AR20 7
2004 CJ39 7
2000 GM137 6
http://www.zanestein.com/page4_4.htm

Here are some preliminary keywords for some centaurs from Philip Sedgwick's site

Centaurs: Cosmic High Horses

Centaurs are a unique group of bodies more or less part of the Kuiper Belt, a region of icy dust and asteroid-like bodies near the edge of our solar system. There may be hundreds of thousands of Kuiper Belt Objects. A smaller subset of this collection, Centaurs, by definition, must possess a perihelion distance greater than that of Jupiter and a semi-major axis that does not exceed Pluto's aphelion distance from the Sun (originally defined as a semi-major axis less than that of Neptune, but ignored as definition of the bodies continued).

Chiron: The wounded healer who possesses insight, wisdom and grace. Orbital Period: 50.27 yr.

Positive - healing, just, wise, fair, insightful, knowledgeable, skilled in arts, medicine, healing, philosophy, focused, positively full of one’s self, sense of soul’s purpose

Negative - opinionated, teaching others the lessons needed by oneself, wounding, corrupt, illicit, irritating demeanor, clinging, feeling homely or unwanted, estranged from parents

Mundane - healing of all types from allopathic medicine and surgery to chiropractic and all forms of homeopathy and naturopathy, soul retrieval, justice, mentoring programs, cave exploration, illegitimate offspring, archery

Ceremonial - soul retrieval, any natural healing modality, chiropractors, retreats - especially in caves, ceremonial chambers or kivas, making a talking stick or ceremonial arrow

Pholus: Keeper of the sacred wine and host to Hercules. Orbital Period: 91.95 yr.

Positive - just, wise, nurturing, meeting the needs of others while keeping own needs in balance, conscious of choice, ceremonial, pacifism, self nurturing, attentive

Negative - opinionated believing rules of cosmic forces do not apply to oneself, addicted to food or alcohol, careless regarding weaponry (or security tools), ignoring spiritual needs, indulgent, reclusive, meddling

Mundane - food and drink - especially regarding celebrations, daily ceremony and ritual

Ceremonial - toasting, blessings and grace, celebrations, creating a daily hour of power

Nessus: Ferryman at the River Evenus. Orbital Period: 120.76 yr.

Positive - generous, benevolent, compassionate, willing to lend a helping hand, cooperative, respectful of boundaries, aware of the power of life force energy, healthy use of sexual energy

Negative - coveting, possessive, jealous, vengeful, manipulative, resorting to negative alchemy for personal gain, negative use of sexual energy

Mundane - bad blood between parties, feuds over money especially regarding relationship dissolution, diseases transmitted by blood, transport ferries over water, potions, tonics and elixirs designed to cast spells, therapy specifically designed for healing sexual or monetary issues

Ceremonial - prosperity ceremonies, sexual healing rituals, ceremonies involving Earth fertility

Asbolus: An intuitive Auger. Orbital Period: 75.78 yr.

Positive - intrepid, courageous, leading the charge, motivated to reach the top, intuitive, wise, common sense insightful, solid advice

Negative - lack of sensibility, blind action, failing to follow instincts, intuitions, omens or sensors, easily intoxicated, unable to receive advice from self or others

Mundane - common sense, intuitive forces, mountain climbing - specifically in the face of obvious danger, risk taking especially under the influence, abstract logic, extreme sense of smell

Ceremonial - meditation, visualization of tasks before setting to action, climbing to reclaim a sense of nature

Chariklo: (Female) Consort to Athena and healing assistant to Vesta in the temples. Orbital Period: 63.05 yr.

Positive - boundary sensitive, wise, just, non-assumptive especially regarding personal relationship, interrogative about touchy or delicate issues

Negative - judgmental, feeling of being victimized at a glance, assumptive, intolerant, biased by gender archetypes

Mundane - swimming in the nude, eyesight, hearing, flirting, sexual harassment, motivation oriented

Ceremonial - a see no evil, hear no evil scenario, energetic healing, work to clear intent and motive

Hylonome: (Female) Grief stricken at the loss of her mate in battle. Orbital Period: 125.25 yr.

Positive - relationship devotion, sense of self with or without relationship, accommodating

Negative - grief stricken, co dependent, sacrificial, self esteem based upon relationship, self destructive in the face of relational difficulty

Mundane - grief counseling, bereavement work, relationship healing

Ceremonial - bonding ceremonies between couples, cathartic emotional relief regarding lost love, lost money or missed career opportunities

Pelion: Self-confidence for effort and the climb to accomplishment in life. Sacred Space, professional status, gratitude and sense of destiny. Orbital Period: 89.05 yr.

Positive - driven by dharma, balanced ego in professional status, giving, nurturing and sharing with co-workers with an extraordinary generosity.

Negative - Demanding, infantile in work relationships, flaunts social status as a result of accomplishments, showcases with past laurels

Mundane - job recognition, awards and accolades, merits, medals and certificates

Ceremonial - rites of passage, passing of baton, graduation ceremonies into higher spiritual orders

Elatus: Expression of self and ego through word and writing. Orbital Period: 42.16 yr.

Positive - Excellent communication, articulate, precise.

Negative - Verbose, boastful, shallow in conversation.

Mundane - creative writing, affirmations, self improvement courses, poetry

Ceremonial - reciting affirmations, chanting, writing spiritual treatises, ceremonial magic

Thereus: Relational and professional attitudes based upon others. I am what I am in this relationship because of my career status or the ornamentation of this relationship. Orbital Period: 34.63 yr.

Positive - Balance between relationship and work, money and sexuality.

Negative - Object oriented, status seeking, mercenary in work ethics, stunned by glamour and beauty of partner

Mundane - resumes, bios, promotional photos that project an image, any status object whether relational or professional

Ceremonial - tandem energy exercises, hiking for spiritual purpose with a partner, sitting in audience with an enlightened person

Okyrhoe: Daughter of Chiron and Chariklo she promotes principles of discernment and conscious life skills. Orbital Period: 24.38 yr.

Positive - affirming, supporting, common sense based, acute logic skills, organized, detailed

Negative - critical, judgmental, whining or whingeing, prophecies of doom, using logic to find fault, works in perpetual worst case scenarios

Mundane - mental attitude programs, tapes and other repetitive tools for reminding the psyche of a healthy state of mind, failure analysis in technology, spreadsheets and lists - especially those geared at mental health, affirmations, mantras, chants

Ceremonial - chanting, affirming, drumming (establishes cadence), Om exercises, cleaning to promote godliness.

Cyllarus: A handsome, devoted centaur, he represents positive sensual expression, willingness to fully embrace life in the physical plane. Orbital Period: 134.48 yr.

Positive - artistic, soothing, tactile, healing, comforting

Negative - shut down, defensive, protected, lack of creative outlet

Mundane - any body healing including massage, rebirthing, Shiatsu and those involving physical contact, artistic work that comes from full expression, such as painting with the hands, musical skill, culinary ability

Ceremonial - water rituals that include coming back on shore upon completion, rebirthing, creating ceremonies that involve contact with earth elements and water simultaneously.

Bienor - This centaur offers a sense of creative spirit, belief in urge of the soul, confidence. His name means literally, “strong man.” Orbital Period: 66.81 yr.

Positive - creative, inspired, talented, motivated, burning with creative vigor

Negative - repressed, sullen, withdrawn, resentful that life does not respond and bestow rewards

Mundane - benefactors, creative sanctuaries, places of recognition (Halls of Fame, etc.), awards, grants and prizes for projects seeking funding support

Ceremonial - mediation upon the heart, Hatha yoga, meditation in general, creating while listening to or dancing with music, dance ceremonies

Amycus - The longer period of this centaur seeks longevity and notoriety. Orbital Period: 126.38 yr.

Positive - intuitive, questioning, insightful, progressive, determined, reliable

Negative - doubtful, skeptical, withdrawn, often late, unreliable, lacking resolve, insecure

Mundane - doctrines and policies designed to produce a result (policy manuals, creeds), any mechanical device that enables a shift in energy, for instance a clutch for shifting gears, monuments, commandments (as in carved in stone), pictographs and petroglyphs

Ceremonial - stretching, yogas that shift fixed structures, chiropractic sessions, watching storms as a mediation, drumming, descent into the underworld (use of caves or kivas)

Crantor - Emotional declaration stands out as the quest for Crantor, not actually a centaur, but killed by one. A bit of the "What did I every do to you?" syndrome applies. Orbital Period: 86.09 yr.

Positive - sensitive, emotional expressive, strong sense of emotional boundaries, nurturing and passionate

Negative - emotionally abuse, manipulative through feelings, projects guilt, shame and blame upon others, substance abuse

Mundane - acute sense of emotional motivations, cathartic therapies and the ability to lead them, comprehension of emotionally based traumas and phobic responses, grief counseling

Ceremonial - cathartic ceremony, Wailing Wall-like rituals, water cleansing rituals, baptisms, fervent declarations of faith, ceremonies of emotional renewal

Echeclus - The mental balance between the abstract and linear logic. Swift decision making criteria resulting in polarized good idea/bad idea scenarios. Orbital Period 35.24 years.

Positive - mentally integrating, solution oriented, non-judgmental, abstract, conceptual, will shift opinion when new information or consciousness prompts a new set of beliefs

Negative - critical, opinionated, twisted logic, rationalizing, able to justify anything

Mundane - abstract art, conceptual theories, spatial relations, forced decisions under time pressure, close calls, head injuries

Ceremonial - celebration of the coyote or trickster, meditation on time/space warps
http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 12, 2010 05:04 PM         

you really have knight-qualities, do you know that?"

hey...I grew up being fascinated with knights stuff and believe in chivalry as defending the honor of people. sometimes,I feel that I have too much of a knight mentality like the desire to "take out my sword and duel" hahahaha

"I appreciate it very much, that you support me."

I'd do it any time. I respect you a lot as a person and an astrologer. I am very sure that everybody else in this forum does too.

BTW where is the asteroid "Knight" in your chart? "

ummmmmmmm......let's create a new astrology thread for that. I actually have a very strong Arthurian Legend asteroid influence in my chart.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"