posted January 10, 2010 05:10 PM         

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I could sit here all my life and try to explain to you what I mean, and it would be a life wasted.

Oh and now you are probably going to say that I am avoiding answering your question, because I don`t have the answers, that I am silly and stupid, that I will never know anything about the real truth, and that I am of course overemotional as most women in a discussion.

Spare yourself the time and space.

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This reaction was to be expected. I am in no way surprised, in fact, I am kind of happy because I can now clearly see a pattern. I may not be able to see your faces, but I can see within you and you know I can and you're ashamed of what I see, so you attack me and insult me, but I have not done that to you.

I attack falsehood and lies, but not people. I challenge a belief to elevate another's consciousness and free the Soul, but I don't challenge the person.

posted January 10, 2010 05:14 PM         

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I can and will precieve reality any way I want

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posted January 10, 2010 05:35 PM         

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Polo C, reality is what it is.
Reality was me being abused by my mom, that is reality. I can not lie nor fake nor change anything about that, it happen, it took place, I was hurt and broken, I not only have physical bruises but emotional ones as well.

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I am just trying to clarify terms. Reality is a system of governance produced by the law of Cause and Effect. What you describe is an individual experience that you've had.

You being abused by your mom is an experience. The reality is that Parental abuse (cause) Produces pain and suffering in a child (effect). One is subjective the other objective. I am not belittling your experience, I just want to make a clear distinction between experience and reality, that's all.

posted January 10, 2010 05:47 PM         

as will yours. and mine and everyone's. polo -- no one attacked you, but your assumptions. are you your assumptions?

reality - what is it? if you take it to a physicist he will give you a different construct than a ditch digger. reality is literally what we make it and how we perceive it. that is becoming more and more obvious and fragmentation is all around us these days.

i can understand why you would assume that lara is being egotistic saying she is a 9 but really i think everyone here should be a 10. we ALL know, or have at our disposal, everything god knows. we are expressions of god. this is MY reality. sometimes i get a handle on it and other times i see it coming AT me and telling me what i have been conjuring.

on the other hand, my answer on your scale would have been 0, because i do not yet know anything for sure. all the same i BELIEVE that we all know everything, but have chosen to be semi-conscious in this life to, as you say, learn. that is where my agreement with you ends i'm afraid.

can i ask, are you an aries or are you just young? you are so sure there is a right or wrong answer i would love to know. you seem to believe that there is an OBJECTIVE REALITY, well i have seen things that say otherwise. but like DD i believe i could spend a great deal of time talking and showing and you would deny their reality. so also like DD i am not going to waste my time and "breath" - did you know i breathe through my fingertips? you may think i am making that up too.

as for the twinflames thing, i'm with PA. i believe they exist. i do not believe you can prove it with astrology.

"I usually stay away from the twinflame talks, mainly because I don't believe that it can be shown in astrology, though I believe in twinflames (even though I don't much like that term).
My belief is that what we refer to as "twinflames" - one incarnates and the other stays in spirit - and acts as a guide for the one on Earth. They come together - probably last human/Earth lifetime.

I believe that our twinflames send us signs about themselves and about our connection through other people - albeit people we meet - and preparing us to be with them or meet them - or through celebritites or characters - their names, characteristics, looks even - awakenings or reminders for us."

i have met my "twin" and i believe you CAN incarnate together but that often you do not. i am not sure there is such a thing as a "last" lifeline. as to twinflames AND primary soulmates, there are hints in the astrology, yes, but obviously open to interpretation. after all there are any number of people born within any given hour and how different will their charts be, especially when compared in synastry or composite to someone else"s??

the proof is within me. when we met we both dropped the ball. not once but several times and spread out over about 40 years...in between the parallel lives are awesome. but i still do not know if i will ever be "with" this person and honestly it doesn't even matter, though i will keep my options open and take advantage of any opportunity to LET it happen...i don't even know why he dropped his side of "the ball" but i know i was freaked by the energy and felt inadequate to deal with it. i have some fairly vague intuitions also about at least two lives where we have met before...i believe presently he has a family, AND he lives far away. but even so running into him has changed my life in so many ways and not just once but twice, decades apart as i said..

because though i know on some level i know the reasons and results of this connection, i believe we come here not just to "learn" and certainly not to "pay debts" unless we have decided to!..but to "discover" who we really are.

and i believe that what you call reality is just YOUR reality. NOTHING can be proven beyond a doubt. look back a few years and see all the scientific discoveries that have had to be rethought with new information. every day "reality" is seen to be different than even what the consensus opinion thought it was.

but i admire you for bringing up the subject and the questions, polo. and to flesh out my earlier question, i guess you could also be a sag or an aqua, as they often seem to think they have dibs on the "truth" or, as you put it, "reality"...

but in REALITY anyone of any sign could suffer from this (in my book) delusion.

posted January 10, 2010 05:48 PM         

Maybe right now I do not understand where you are coming from because right now I do not want to face the truth because the truth hurts right now, so I was being insensitive and obnoxious in my third post I apologise, I will edit it, so it will not be a distraction.

I do hope to read more from you because this as truely been an eye opener and a lesson for me.

posted January 10, 2010 05:48 PM         

"Some of these post make me wonder if a few of you have even entered into the 1st dimension."

"Nonsense!"

"If you don't know something it appears you convince yourself that it can't be known in order to feel comfortable in the blindness of your own ignorance."

"It doesn't matter what you believe"

"Much is spoken, but nothing of any Real Value is said."

And YOU accuse ME of being insulting?

Apart from that you make a lot of assumptions.

Let me highlight some for you:

"u keep things vague in order to hide"
You assume that you know my reasons for writing the post the way I did. And you are wrong.
What would I have to hide?

"Cause = Someone slaps you in the face. Effect = You feel emotional distress and physical pain."
That is something physical. That is different to emotions.
So tell me what makes us fall in love?

"What is the Cause for what you Feel?"
The other person and me.

"That's an assumption. There is more to life than what we believe"
That is an assumption, too, even though probably a correct one.

"This would be a grave disservice to enlightenment and the elevation of consciousness."
Another assumption.

Maybe different paths lead to enlightment?

"You can't make up these false principles and philosophies in order to justify not knowing."
Another assumption.
What false principle or philosophy did I make up?

" This sort of belief is counterproductive to enlightenment. All things can be known in time, with the truth."
Another assumption.

"Clearly, your allegiance is to the group and not to the truth."
Assumption.

"There is only "The Truth""
Assumption.

"u to swear to tell your whole truth with your hand on the Bible, they want The Whole Truth because your truth is irrelevant."
You are mixing up two different things.
REality as it can be observed through actions (which is what is being judged at court).
But we are speaking about inner experiences and feelings here. And you can`t observe feelings in the outside reality. All you can observe is a certain expression and then you conclude that a certain feeling is the cause for that expression, but it is not a proof.

"Much is spoken, but nothing of any Real Value is said."
Another assumption.

So you made a lot of assumptions. Where are your proofs?

posted January 10, 2010 05:58 PM         

"I challenge a belief to elevate another's consciousness and free the Soul"
Why do you believe you could accomplish such a task? Why do you believe that another person`s soul has to be "freed"? What do you mean by "free the Soul"?

"If you build your house on lies"
I build my house on bricks.

"If you hate me, then so be it."
I don`t.
Why should I hate you?
Are you disappointed that you are not hated?

" I will still KILL every lie I see,"
When did I lie to you?
And if you think something was a lie of what I said, can you prove it? How?

"This is my Duty as a Man, by mandate of my Soul, under the authority of God."
How do you know that?
Did God tell you this? And if he did, did other hear that, too? Or could it be that it is just a fantasy of yours?

posted January 10, 2010 06:04 PM         

Even though determining reality was great but I really wanted to know the answer to the first question but the answer may not be right because I am letting someone else's words validate what these terms mean to me, so my beliefs maybe be altered but I am ok with that because I am an open person to new ideas.

So when does one ever know what a twin flame or a soul mate is?

How would one know this?

What if you do not find you TF or SM, do you die alone or in an ego based relationship.

posted January 10, 2010 06:05 PM         

Yes very valid as well, as long as the angles are involved in the synastry as well.

posted January 10, 2010 06:07 PM         

this is a perfect example. CHESHIRE i am not in any way negating your experience, but using it as an example of how people distort reality and then think they know what it is.

i am old enough to remember when "spanking" was considered THE parental tool IF it was done in a certain way. today it is called abuse...by MOST people, though even now NOT ALL. whatever cheshire experienced with her mother is not my interest or in my knowledge. however ...

a parent smacks a child in the face. some would say, as you do above, that the reality is the child feels pain and mental distress. that is NOT NECESSARILY so. just as some people die happy and others in fear and pain, EVERYONE perceives things differently. perhaps the child thinks it FUNNY that their parent needs to resort to physical measures to impress them? and therefore feels NO pain and actually laughs at their parent's loss of dignity? or perhaps the parent catches the side of their hand on the child's jaw or a tooth and HURTS THEMSELVES? something similar happened to me once tho i was not a child.

posted January 10, 2010 06:23 PM         

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So did anyone ever figure out what the difference is between soul mates and twin flames?

Even though determining reality was great but I really wanted to know the answer to the first question but the answer may not be right because I am letting someone else's words validate what these terms mean to me, so my beliefs maybe be altered but I am ok with that because I am an open person to new ideas.

So when does one ever know what a twin flame or a soul mate is?

How would one know this?

What if you do not find your TF or SM, do you die alone or in an ego based relationship.

Lol sorry I ask a lot of questions, I am just curious.

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• So when does one ever know what a twin flame or a soul mate is?
  This is not a fact, but based on my observations and experience I had stated that Soul Mates have an uncanny connection to one another. Twin Flames also have this, but in addition to it, they also have an increased awareness of God.

• How would one know this?
  How we can know this for certain is the purpose of this thread, but I believe that the external synchronicity or telepathy that can be verified by others is a good starting point because it is less subjective than emotional feelings associated with romantic love.

• What if you do not find your TF or SM, do you die alone or in an ego based relationship.
  I do not know. This must be different for each person depending upon what they themselves decide to do. Although, I think that looking for a SM or TW decreases the chances of finding one. This best method, I would say, would be for one to focus on their own, personal, psychological development.

• Lol sorry I ask a lot of questions, I am just curious.
  I always welcome questions. If you don't ask then how can you ever know?
  

posted January 10, 2010 07:17 PM         

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What if you do not find your TF or SM, do you die alone or in an ego based relationship.
I do not know. This must be different for each person depending upon what they themselves decide to do. Although, I think that looking for a SM or TW decreases the chances of finding one. This best method, I would say, would be for one to focus on their own, personal, psychological development.

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posted January 10, 2010 07:20 PM         

-Also I see a common theme of Eros/Psyche in your threads, why is this aspect important and what if a person as Eros squared another person's Psyche?

-What does Eros symbolize in sysnastry, when it is located in the 4th house or IC or if it is located in the 1st house, Angles basically in the same synastry chart?

-I posted in your previous thread, you said I had to learn something from this person, what exactly would I have to learn about, with the said aspect and house positions above?

-You have started threads on Twin Flames, Soul Mates, do you plan to start a thread on Karmic Relationships and Twin Souls?

Thank you for answering my questions, I have never been interested in this until now of actually reading these threads, Im intrigued but not delusional, I know as Glacause pointed out strong Neptune in a chart can precieve all realtionships as twin flames or soul mates but for me I souly want to know why we have these connections and what we can learn from them.

Right now Im in a learning process and transformation(see my thread also in Soul Unions titled, Are you afraid to get close to someone), Diana made a good point in my thread, if I do not overcome this fear of love, this fear of being vulnerable and open to another person, all of my connections will be nothing but shells, this is why I need to grow(Pluto 12th house transit cleans out old patterns to give way to new ideas when it moves into the 1st house).

posted January 10, 2010 07:29 PM         

I believe so Polo because you can have planetary connections with many people and those are very important of course and make for great synastry. The angles are specific to you so when your mate's angles/parts are also included in the synastry then you have this deep connection

Example: You have Eros and Psyche synastry with your partner and lets say your Asc is at 2 Aries and hers is at 2 Leo...the Asc degrees and trine re-affirms the Eros/Psyche connection and it makes it specific to you and her.
Lets say you have the Eros/Psyche connection with someone else born same day as her but her Asc is not in same degree as yours then you will still be attracted to this other woman but the connection will be different.
The Asc degree defines you as Polo, and defines her as who she is because its the moment you gasped your first breath and that is why birth time is so important. Its this degree that differentiates you from someone born the same date as you so when someone else's Asc connects with yours exactly that is major

For those who don't know their birthtime then you have to rectify the chart and thats another subject in itself.

posted January 10, 2010 08:53 PM         

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Could soul mates ever evolve into Twin Flames, with enough inner and outer work?

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I really can't answer that with any degree of certainty until each is better defined. I said Soul Mates have a connection and Twin Flames have a connection to God, but I don't know why this is. I can speculate on my own situation, but I am just as baffled by it as you or anyone else, that's why I'm here.

In our case, each of us were already deeply interested in God independently, so God was already a significant focus for the both of us. Once the telepathic synchronicity continued to occur, it took my desire to know God to another level. Witnessing and experiencing things, that were once believed to be impossible, shakes the foundation of what you thought you knew. One must go deeper to find the answers that will reestablish the stability that was lost.

If she is in fact a Twin Flame then her spiritual design produces an energetic expression that reaches out and captures mine. Or vise/ versa or both, I don't know. It didn't have anything to do with my conscious choice. In fact, it went against my initial better judgment as I assessed her by physical appearance alone.

If she is a Twin Flame then her and I are slaves to our Higher Selves that seem to direct the course of events sometimes against our own will. That's a crazy feeling when it seems that, in the grand scheme of things, you really have no control over your own life. It's as if you don't even belong to yourself, but the truth of the matter is, your Self belongs to God and when the Self is inspired to do God's Will, the ego loses all control as the Soul is built. Well, now I am wondering what activates the Self to take over and do God's will in this way. What is the Cause for this Effect. If I can find an answer for that, then maybe I can define exactly what a Twin Flame is.

In my experience, there was no need to remove the ego because it happened automatically as a result of the impact felt when Twin Flames encounter one another, If she is, in fact, a TF.

Can Soul Mates evolve to become Twin Flames, I don't think so because, at this time, I believe them to be essentially different in nature, but I'm still trying to figure it out.

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Eros and Psyche became important to me after I discovered the Myth and found the astrological conjunction between her and myself. Initially, I thought I had found the answer that would explain this all. I'm not sure I see it that way so much anymore.

Here's a youtube video of the myth _
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHlCvfyInhA

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What does Eros symbolize in sysnastry, when it is located in the 4th house or IC or if it is located in the 1st house, Angles basically in the same synastry chart?

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I can tell you that Eros shows our erotic turn ons and it is a higher expression of Mars, just as Psyche is a higher expression of Venus. The rest, someone else will have to answer for you.

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I posted in your previous thread, you said I had to learn something from this person, what exactly would I have to learn about, with the said aspect and house positions above?

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Someone else must have said this.

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You have started threads on Twin Flames, Soul Mates, do you plan to start a thread on Karmic Relationships and Twin Souls?

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posted January 10, 2010 09:04 PM         

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For those who don't know their birthtime then you have to rectify the chart and thats another subject in itself.

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posted January 10, 2010 11:21 PM         

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Kabbalah of Marriage-

The key to love is selflessness, and the fulfillment it brings. As counter-intuitive as it may sound, the ostensibly self-consumed, egotistical human being can gain no greater satisfaction than through giving and committing.

The reason? The soul. The soul's selflessness is as great as the body's selfishness.

Perhaps the ability to truly love is the area in life most profoundly impacted by the teachings of Kabbalah. The more in tune a person is with the soul, the greater the capacity for pure love, unsullied by ulterior motives and ego.

Love is the language of the soul. Without an understanding of the soul, we are breaking our teeth, speaking with a horrible accent, and constantly confusing our verbs for nouns... Kabbalah teaches us the language of the soul, and allows us to unleash its unlimited capacity for love.

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posted January 11, 2010 06:54 AM         

I feel like I'm intruding on some heated debate. I havent been following this thread so excuse me.

posted January 11, 2010 06:56 AM         

All the objective evidence seekers in the world, skeptics and material scientists, cannot account for the missing mass of the Universe. So they just call it dark matter to escape.

I whole heartedly trust Lara and PeaceAngel when they say they see spirits or ghosts.

Are they making money/selling books by claiming to see Spirits? Ans: No
Hence, they have no motivation to lie.

Are they misleading/harming others?
Ans: No. Ladies who see spirits do not kill millions like Mao, Stalin, Dick Cheney, Hitler etc.

My grandparents, aunts and several cousins have seen ghosts, many times.

My Grandfather was visited by a ghost. He was telepathically told to help secure a property for his legal heir. Upon investigation, it was found that a miscreant had hidden the original documents, and thanks to local police pressure [who had blind faith in my grandfather as he healed people for free], the original documents were secured by the court and the property went to the rightful heir.

For me the above incident is better than any "objective evidence" as there is no other way my Grandfather could have known about some stranger's hidden property docments.

One thing I have learnt like DD. It is a sheer waste of time to try and convince someone who has already made up his/her mind to not accept any evidence other their own about a topic.

I normally dont write to people skeptical about spirituality, but responded to Polo because unlike other skeptics, Polo appreciates Astrology.