posted January 11, 2010 07:15 AM         

WOW!great real life story!

i also know it is true cause my Mom is a medium.

i think im also very sensitive but somehow..i closed this world for me,cause im not ready for it.

posted January 11, 2010 07:17 AM         

somehow i dont feel Polo as a specktic.

i think he is a very deep guy who only searches to shake up others,in order for them to open their eyes and Souls.

deep inside i think Polo believes in many things.which cannot be proof by Science.

posted January 11, 2010 02:17 PM         

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deep inside i think Polo believes in many things.which cannot be proof by Science.

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Thanx Diandra... You are very right. I am not a scientist. I don't pledge my allegiance to anything, but the truth. In order to determine the truth I look for consistency. For instance, if something is true in Theology then it will be true in Physics or Psychology. The terminology may change because of the specialization, but the essence of the idea will remain the same.

The same is true for Astrology. If a thing is true then it must be consistent across the board and in actual experience and just like with other disciplines, if this isn't the case then potentially the event only takes place in the mind as imaginary, I'm sorry and in many instances, this is exactly the case.

posted January 11, 2010 03:00 PM         

The term, "skeptic" means to question. It doesn't mean "I don't believe"

I have a strong skeptical side myself, and it's strong as my mystical,spiritual side.

I question things of a mystical,spiritual nature. I question things in Astrology.

just looking at my t-square of Moon square the opposition of retrograde Saturn and Jupiter-Neptune can tell you that. Even my Saturn contraparallel Mercury-Venus-Neptune.

I believe that the theme of my Moon in alignment with Alpha Pisces Austrinus, Fomalhaut (exactly opposite my Saturn/Neptune midpoint) is practical mysticism and grounding my idealism.

I believe that it's great that we have both skeptics and believers. They balance each other in some ways.

I believe that you can find truth in both spiritual and science.

Science has helped people understand about things like DNA,genes,chromosomes, diseases, physical diseases,mental diseases,syndromes (like Down Syndrome,Turner's Syndrome,Klinefelter's Syndrome),and neurodivergent conditions(Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD,Autistic Spectrum). Scientists help us understand human reproduction like how the egg is fertilized by sperm compared to how ancients think that a woman carries a man's seed. Henry VIII was blaming women for their not being able to bare him sons, but he was the one that that had contribute the necessary Y chromosomes for him to have a son. Every year,scientists come up with new discoveries that help us understand nature. Astronomers have helped us understand that our solar system goes beyond what ancients thought, and they have discovered many planets outside our solar system. They've discovered the outer planets, and they discovered the centaurs and transneptunian objects. They discovered black holes,quasars,pulsars,and other deep space objects. Some astrologers are considering using these objects in Astrology which was a system built on the notion that there was only the Moon,Sun,Mercury,Venus,Mars,Jupiter,Saturn,and the Lunar Nodes.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 11, 2010 03:10 PM         

I am a skeptic and a believer. When I come across new information I am skeptical, once I see how it fits into the grand scheme of things, I become a believer. If it doesn't fit, or can't fit, I label it as illusion or falsehood and I throw it out.

All truth can be joined harmoniously with all other truth, but lies never will.

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I believe that you can find truth in both spiritual and science.

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posted January 11, 2010 05:19 PM         

In that way, we're alike.

I agree with you.

I think Albert Einstein was one of those Creative Genius types. He even had a narrow orbed conjunction of Mercury,Saturn,and Sedna. In Right Ascension, he had a narrow orbed conjunction of Mercury conjunct Eris.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 11, 2010 05:43 PM         

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He even had a narrow orbed conjunction of Mercury,Saturn,and Sedna. In Right Ascension, he had a narrow orbed conjunction of Mercury conjunct Eris.

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posted January 11, 2010 05:48 PM         

Mercury conjunct the transneptunian dwarf planet candidate, Sedna could indicate a metaphysically oriented type of mind that goes against the status quo of the mind,intelligence

Mercury square the transneptunian dwarf planet,Eris could indicate a metaphysically oriented type of mind that goes well beyond the status quo of the mind,intelligence

transneptunians, Eris and Sedna can involve evolutionary intensified lessons experiences

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 11, 2010 05:55 PM         

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transneptunians, Eris and Sedna can involve evolutionary intensified lessons experiences

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posted January 11, 2010 05:56 PM         

I love looking at them in Astrology.

I believe the use of transneptunians in Astrology brings Astrology into the 21st Century.

posted January 11, 2010 09:33 PM         

In my experience and from others' I know yes you recognize soulmates when you meet them.

Hi Polo

yes, agreed you must have her birthtime exactly so that you can check out the Angles.
If she cannot find it anywhere you guys can get her chart rectified

posted January 11, 2010 10:47 PM         

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If she cannot find it anywhere you guys can get her chart rectified

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posted January 11, 2010 11:16 PM         

What if I told you that he flew straight up into the clouds, all the way up into outer space, without an oxygen mask, would you believe that?

If I said that I stood on the roof of a building with 20 - 30 other people and watched this happen, but no one else saw it except for me, would you think I was credible?

posted January 11, 2010 11:24 PM         

My answer is "No" to all your questions.

I definitely would need to see some proof.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 12, 2010 12:01 AM         

that's what I meant.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 12, 2010 12:15 AM         

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I wouldn't tell you that you need to prove it.
That is up to you to decide to provide proof or not. I just wouldn't believe it until there was some proof.
that's what I meant.

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posted January 12, 2010 12:33 AM         

I'm asking because, so far in my life...there's only 1 major account where I've actually had dreams about that person about a week after meeting him. Although I did feel an at ease, familiarity kind of vibe as soon as I met him. I'm just wondering because, I havent met anyone else where I've had dreams & recognized...and I think I must've met more than 1 soulmate by now??....

posted January 12, 2010 05:33 AM         

You spoke of consistency, there is something called "internal consistency". A liar or fabricator will mix up the details in every recall of the experience. Truthful people get it right all the time. My cousin recalls every detail precisely. I love it when his eye details match up like textbook NLP when he recalls the events.

Actually your problem is clear:
"Why am I not privileged to have these experiences". Hence the denial that others possess these gifts.

posted January 12, 2010 09:32 AM         

You spoke of consistency, there is something called "internal consistency". A liar or fabricator will mix up the details in every recall of the experience. Truthful people get it right all the time. My cousin recalls every detail precisely. I love it when his eye details match up like textbook NLP when he recalls the events."

ummmm

based on what?

the biases of neurotypical majority?

what about people that have problems with eye contact,body language,and voice patterns due to to sensory integration/coordination and overall neurological differences? That's how I and many other neurodivergents are.

what about people that have problems communicating because they are are naturally nervous,anxious types? What about the people with social anxiety disorders or avoidant personality disorders (people that have fear of negative evaluation). That has nothing to do with being truthful or not. I am person with history of social anxiety issues too including a diagnosis of avoidant personality disorder, but that's connected to with the first mentioned stuff. Many people with neurodivergent conditions have history of anxiety issues. That is well documented. That's why mental health screening is done when doing examinations to find out if somebody has learning disability and/or ADHD.

There are many people that are nervous,anxious that would have a hard time passing lie detector tests. Many people that will speak softly,speak with higher pitch,speak faster,speak slower when they are are anxious,nervous for no reason at all or because they are inconsistent in their speech patterns due to their atypical nervous system functions. That's how I am. My mother told me that my biological father was just like me. She even told me that he stuttered badly when around people that he didn't know,and so she would speak for him. I tend to stutter a little myself and tremble. I used to shake very badly when I was a kid to the point that I felt like a freak when I was a teenager because my peers would point that out to me. I always hated public speaking because I wouldn't talk right and would shake a lot. There are a lot of people just like me.

Many neurodivergents like myself have problems with auditory processing. Many of us can be confused when people are speaking to us. Many of us have problems remembering what's being spoken to us due problems with verbal memory and sequential memory. A lot of us having auditory input speech lags (need time for things to register when people are saying stuff to us). We can take in too much information to ears for our brain to process (auditory overload). Those things can lead to many neurodivergents to have problems responding to people's questions. Many neurodivergents have problems with demand language versus spontanous language. Many of us have hypersensitive hearing. Those issues can easily lead many neurodivergents to have problems with a lie detector test as well as with communications in general. I have all these issues myself. I used to have auditory reversals (turned words around when I heard them),and that was corrected with auditory therapy.

neurodivergent people with speech and auditory issues can be easily misread and not pass a lie detector test. The same with people that are nervous,anxious,and have social anxiety issues which can occur in many people that aren't neurodivergent.

As neurodivergents, our behaviors can be misunderstood by neurotypicals and even by ourselves. Therefore, it's very important to understand the neurodivergent processing in social interactions. We can't be judged based on what people learn from psychology books and the common views based on neurotypical behavior.

One example is eye contact and handshaking.

page 41 from A SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE - DYSLEXIA

Occasionally , dyslexics were considered to be negativistic on the basis of their hesitant, ambivalent, and anxiety-laden avoidance of handshaking and/or eye contact. Only in retrospect were these "anti-social" avoidance symptoms recognized to be due to primary somatic, rather than primary psychogenic, disturbances. Thus, upon neurodynamic exploration, hand contact was avoided because of right/left uncertaintly and the anticipated embarassment of using the wrong hand. In a similar fashion, upon analysis, eye contact was avoided in order to minimize (1) ocular perseveration, (2) directionally confused and dysmetric ocular scanning mechanisms, and (3) the catastrophic discomfort triggered when "forced" to fixate moving facial features during communication.

For some dyslexics, simultaneous listening and looking were more than they could "take" physiologically, and as a result they tended to sacrifice direction-dependent looking or eye contact in order to preserve the direction and sequence of auditory verbalizations and comprehension. In retrospect, it appeared as if dyslexics could not simulatenously coordinate and integrate directional and/or sequential visual,auditory,proprioceptive,and motor processing. http://astynaz.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album0 3&id=dr_levinson_eye_contact_shake_hands

I can relate to all those things.

I use compensated coordination mechanisms. I always visualize myself doing things before I do it, and I always visualize things while I am doing it like I am seeing myself in the mirror. It works when I shake hands with people and eye contact. However, it actually takes a lot of energy when I do that because of the things that Dr. Levinson explained. I do tend to have problems looking at people while they are talking and when I am talking. My auditory processing problems also factor because I get auditory overload. My visual processing problems also factor because I get visual overload and poor eye tracking leading to visual disorientation. I also get left/right mixed up too, but it doesn't affect my handshaking as I automatically know which hand to use because i visualize it first and it becomes automatic after you keep doing it.

I think that I mistake my coordination difficulties with eye contact for shyness which is based on actual fear and anxiety. The sensory integration issues could be mistaken for shyness too. It's important to distinguish neurological issues from psychological issues.

I want to make a point that just because people have problems with handshaking and eye contact doesn't mean that they are rude,inconsiderate. If person has problems with eye contact when communicating, it doesn't mean that they are being dishonest. It might not even be shyness like I pointed out.

I know what it's like to be told "Look at me when I am talking to you." and getting chewed out for having poor eye contact by my stepfather and my superiors when I was in the navy.

my mother told me that my father was the same way with eye contact just like me, and she also has problems with eye contact too. Both parents are neurodivergents too. I inherited my neurodivergence from both my parents.

Be aware that psychiatrists can misunderstand poor eye contact as a flat affect symptom of psychosis. Poor eye contact is a known symptom of psychosis. tt is also a known symptom of autistic spectrum conditions.

Poor eye contact in schizophrenia http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkwsSQ8RJ490A3P5 XNyoA?p=poor+eye+contact++in+schizophrenia&y=Search&fr=fptb-sunm

Poor eye contact in autism http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkkg.Q8RJbDI B.BlXNyoA?p=poor+eye+contact++in+autistic+spectrum&y=Search&fr=fptb-sunm

That's why I strongly stress that neurodivergent conditions be understood to prevent them from being misdiagnosed as psychotic disorders.

Dr. Harold N. Levinson believe that neurodivergent conditions have highly significant overlapping symptoms and tend to be comorbid with each other. That's why Dr Levinson refers to the whole neurodivergence as Dyslexic Syndrome, and Ronald D. Davis believes that root of neurodivergent conditions is Dyslexia which he views as a perceptual talent. That's why his first book was called GIFT OF DYSLEXIA.
They both believe that the neurodivergent conditions and disorientation/confusion are strongly connected. The only difference is that Dr. Levinson believes that it stems from cerebellar vestibular dysfunction,and should be treated with antimotion sickness medication. Ronald D. Davis believes that it stems from being a highly visual,picture thinker, and that it can be resolved with mind's eye focus therapy.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 12, 2010 10:27 AM         

the following is page 47 from A Solution to the Riddle Dyslexia by Harold N. Levinson, M.D.

Although primary receptive aphasic speech disturbances were distinctly absent in this dyslexic sample, an occasional dyslexic reported experiencing an unusually long delay between hearing and comprehending a language sequence. As a result, they often found themselves either requesting speakers to repeat themselves as if they had not heard what was said, or forgetting what was said and repeating it later on as if was their own thought. This interesting difficulty was expressed by a patient as follows: "I find myself sayin, "What?' and by the time I've asked the question, I know what was said....And at other times, I'll say something only to find out I've just repeated something told to me." This temporal receptive speech impairment appeared to mirror the temporal expressive speech delays noted in slurring,stammering,and stuttering, and seemed also consistent with the temporal-spatial sequencing disturbances generally chacterizing the speech dysfunctions in Dyslexia.

The aforementioned stuff is how I am and many other neurodivergents are. My mother told me that my father was the same way with both auditory and speech. Neurotypicals tend easily misjudge our auditory processing problems for numerous things. Neurodivergents with these problems could have problems with lie detecting tests. Some psychiatrists will even see the auditory processing problems as a form of psychotic-related disorientation.

Auditory imperception or scrambing for specific and sequential phonetic sounds was not infrequently observed. This disturbance appeared to parallel the visual scrambling and blurring phenomena previously described, and often provoked both speech and spelling errors.

I had those issues too,and it was corrected with auditory therapy before I had speech therapy in special education class.

http://astynaz.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=a lbum03&id=A_Solution_to_the_Riddle_of_Dyslexia_gif

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 12, 2010 10:41 AM         

page 47 to 49 from A SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE OF DYSLEXIA(The DISCOVERY OF
CEREBELLAR-VESTIBULAR SYNDROMES by Harold N. Levinson, MD

Occasionally, dyslexics manifested a "loose" and telescopic quality to
their associative speech or thinking styles, and as a result tended to
be rapid,wordy, and rambling in their spontaneous descriptions. This
interesting speech pattern appeared independent of anxiety factors,
and tended to resemble a schizophrenic's "loose associations" and
tangential thinking. However, these dyslexic children were not
psychotic, and lacked autistic preoccupation and projective thinking
mechanisms. They merely seemed to forget momentarily the direction of
their thought sequences and/or the thoughts and words themselves.
Occasionally, the temporal spacing between words and sentences was
shorter than normal and even dysmetric.

Later studes noted nonpsychotic "absentminded" adult dyslexics to
manifest similar loose,wordy, and rambling speech patterns ----
clearly demonstrating the need to qualitatively and diagnostically
distinguish dyslexic speech patterns from schizophrenic patterns
(Kasaninin, 1964). Upon analysis, this loose, absent-minded dyslexic
thinking style prone to slips was found to be due to the very same
underlying memory, directional, and temporal spatial dyscoordination
mechanisms characterizing dyslexic reading, writing, and spelling.

Not infrequently these so-called absent-minded individuals intend to
do say or do one thing and wind up saying or doing another, even the
opposite of what was originally intended. Forgetting is commonplace. As
a result, the dyslexic's speech and action patterns may often exhibit
a disoriented and disjointed, even comical, quality, which many
clinicians fallaciously consider due to primary psychogenic
determinants. However, upon analysis, the dyscoordination or slip
between intention and speech or motor response was most often found
lacking a primary emotional causation, and appeared qualitatively
consistent with the dyslexic symptomatology. In retrospect, these
slips invariably provoked secondary emotional attempts at
compensation; and the unsuspecting psychiatrist and psychologist will
unwittingly mistake secondary defensive reaction with primary
causation. For example, some dyslexics become embarassed, blush, and
retreat socially as a result of their slips, while others attempt to
joke and rationalize them away.

Paradoxically, some dyslexics were found to demonstrate highly
organized, crystal-clear thinking and expressive styles. Upon
analysis, many of these individuals were found to have had subtle and
compensated speech impediments during their early childhood. In
retrospect, their highly condensed speech patterns appeared to be
defensive or adaptive attempts at minimizing speech output and
thinking errors. Although these dyslexics were often incapable of
spontaneous free-associative and reflective speech, they were more
than capable of performing these same very same functions in silence.
For example, when asked to freely think aloud about a question, they
could not or would not. But they could, and would,invariably produce
the answer after a silent pause----clearly demonstrating their highly
developed, silent associative and reflective thinking capacities.
Following recognition and resolution of their guarded or defensive
speech mechanisms, many learned to think aloud and to express
themselves without embarassed or fear of criticism. Later adult
stories not only confirmed these observations but revealed the
existence of dyslexics who were capable of free association and
reflection only when writing. Their fluent and lucid writing styles
appeared to be motivated similarly by dyslexic verbalization
difficulties which were compensated for by gifted and/or unhampered
writing functions.

Because the ability to free-associate is a cardinal and essential
prerequisite for candidates being evaluated for psychoanalytic
therapy, and since this ability may be nonverbally present, it
behooves psychiatrists and psychoanalysts to explore seriously these
clinical considerations in their diagnostic-treatment assessment of
psychoanalytic patients.

The first part are my problems. That's why I was misdiagnosed as
having schizoaffective bipolar by psychiatrists years ago in
adulthood,and they never did any medical testing. They only went by
what they observed.

Luckily, Dr Levinson understood that my speech and thoughts weren't
psychotic but Dyslexic. I saw Dr Levinson in June of 2005. He is
the psychiatrist/neurologist who diagnosed m e as having cerebellar
vestibular dysfuncion and recognized my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,sensory
integration diffiiculties. He didn't diagnose me with any mental
illness. He thought my problems were neurological.

The second part is me too....mainly compensatory thinking,speech
mechanisms.
http://astynaz.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album03&id=A_Solution_to_the_Riddle_of_Dyslexia_gif
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please note that stuff could make a neurodivergent misunderstood and can make it hard for a lie detector test to work on them. The speech patterns can easily be misread:

Not infrequently these so-called absent-minded individuals intend to
do say or do one thing and wind up saying or doing another, even the
opposite of what was originally intended. Forgetting is commonplace. As
a result, the dyslexic's speech and action patterns may often exhibit
a disoriented and disjointed, even comical, quality, which many
clinicians fallaciously consider due to primary psychogenic
determinants.

I just felt the need to be an advocate,help raise awareness about neurodivergent conditions and how they can and usually are misunderstood by neurotypicals which can lead to false assumptions,accusations as well as psychiatric misdiagnoses.
My life purpose is help get rid of those perceptions that neurotypicals have about us neurodivergents.

those psychology textbooks and other books that people write about psychological interactions,body language,social behavior is based on the biases,perceptions of neurotypical majority.

There need to be psychological text books and other books that talks about these things from both the neurotypical and neurodivergent perspective. That means showing differences and similarities when it comes to neurotypicals and neurodivergents in how they process things. This what lead to less misunderstanding of neurodivergent behavior and communications.

also....people with autistic spectrum conditions have great difficulty with reading emotional/social cues that include voice patterns,body language,facial expressions. That's the hallmark of autistic spectrum conditions.

Autistic Spectrum conditions (especially Aspergers) tend to have comorbidity with other neurodivergent conditions like Dyspraxia,Dyslexia,ADHD.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 12, 2010 10:54 AM         

It is interesting because since our break up we have both been feeling incredibly drained. I don't know if this is a soul trauma thing or if anyone else has experienced this.