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Polo C
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posted January 09, 2010 05:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
Traditional relationships start from the bottom and work their way up. Spiritual relationships start at the top and work their way down. Okay, so excluding all traditional relationships, how can we determine the difference between a Soul mate and a Twin flame?

Both start out at the top, but how do they differ?
Would it be safe to say that one possibly starts out higher than the other? If so, how can we determine that? I am gonna venture to say that the difference is this _

Soul Mates have a an uncanny connection to each other, but Twin Flames have an additional connection to God forming a Divine Trinity.

I believe that this is the reason that soul mates are said to have an easier time getting together and having children and such. Theirs is a relationship built on their service to one another and although the love is unconditional, the same degree of self-sacrifice isn't required as it is for Twin flames. Because of this a soul mate relationship can be achieved with a lesser degree of conscious awareness.

Twin Flames are the apex of relationships. The ideal and perfect form for how it is to be between the male and the female. Adam and Eve are the model for this before their fall from grace because of disobedience. I think that it is also true that we must experience soul mate relationships before we can attain the twin flame. We have always been told that we are to put God first, I guess now we are beginning to see why we should.

When we experience either one of these two, certain events occur that cause us to ask specific kinds of questions. These questions cause us to dig deep on a quest of self-discovery and as we learn, we grow. As we grow we also condition ourselves to handle the responsibility that comes along with the power of these advanced kinds of unions.

Possibly our natal and synastry placements act as a catalyst for this growth process by producing the internal, emotional intensity and other bizarre happenings that inspire us. If we didn't feel a certain way we wouldn't begin to wonder and contemplate the reasons why.

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posted January 09, 2010 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Good post!

I want to give some examples:

From Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged:
Dagny Taggart and Hank Rearden are Soulmates.
Dagny and John Galt are Twin Flames.

From the movie Mr Destiny:
James Belushi and Linda Hamilton are Twin Flames.

From the movie Hancock:
Will Smith and Charlize are Twin SOULS [as they are both in 4th D]. Prior to this immortality, they would have been twin flames.

Cricket legend Sir Don Bradman and Lady Jessie Bradman are Twin Flames.

Michael Jackson and Elizabeth Taylor are "friend" Soulmates.

From the book "Gone with the wind":
Scarlett and Rhett Butler are Twin Flames who exemplify the "running away" syndrome, Scarlett and Ashley being Soulmates.
(Interesting that the chosen name of the main town in that classic is TARA, the Buddhist/Tantrik goddess of Reincarnation..)

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posted January 09, 2010 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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Will Smith and Charlize are Twin SOULS [as they are both in 4th D]. Prior to this immortality, they would have been twin flames.

Can you explain what you mean by 4th Dimensional? Also, how are Twin Souls different from Twin Flames essentially?

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posted January 09, 2010 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Ahh could this be the problem I have with my twin? That I'm in 4th dimension ascending at moment to 5th and he is probably still in 3rd?
Spiritual growth is key here IQ!

Great thread Polo.

I think also soul mates are always karmic in some way whereas TF's are not

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posted January 09, 2010 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
4th Dimension in a nutshell is where you go when you sleep.
Its the Astral Plane.
I think you know what dimensions are Polo C, but still seemed to be still trying to prove to yourself that they exist.
I have news for you....are you certainly not a just at 3D human.
The fact that you are trying so earnestly to figure out what Twin Flames are, shows a soul memory buried in your matrix, and you are trying to to remember it. And you will in tiime.

So tell me, what is the 4th Dimension to you? Or does it even exist for you?

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posted January 09, 2010 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Can I also add that I believe a fundamental mode of behaviour unique to the TF relationship is running.

I now believe that the Universe splits you up when one is not ready ~ this safeguards the relationship for the future when the TF has worked on themselves.

I don't believe that you will see TF's in a relationship when one is of a denser vibration to the other. It just won't be allowed to happen for risk of karma and other issues.

So you will meet, connect and then split. Once you are both in same spiritual realm you will reconnect and continue the Flame

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posted January 09, 2010 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Here Polo, I copied and pasted IQs response to this question last time, because its stellar, I cant think of a better way to discribe it.
This should be in a book somewhere Tameem. :

"Astral Plane/Astral Travel: Dream plane where we are able to immediately gratify our senses. We may even see alien looking entities here. Dreams in which we are able to fly just cause we want to fly, these are in the Astral Plane.
Some texts teach a connection to Angel Sandalphon for Astral Travel. Usually, strong intentions prior to sleep enable Astral Travel, but one needs some astrological placements for doing this easily.
If we attain Lucidity and awareness that we are in a dream state, then we are Astral Travelling.
If we practice using some advanced Yoga tricks the ability to come out of 6th Chakra, then we are "Out of Body".
When Out of Body, lucidity is there from the start, and we are immediately in the Astral Dimension of planet Earth.
Ghosts exist in this plane. They do not want to leave Earth and keep wandering here.
Advanced occultists can travel from here to Astral Planets [Like "HiranyaLoka", the Upper Astral Abode of Swami Yukteswara who was Yogananda's guru].
The drawback of Astral Travel is that secret government technology can capture valuable soul energy from this plane. Negative aliens use the entire middle and lower astral as their playground to sap soul energy.

Hyperspace: The beginning of 5th D at the end of the Upper Astral. This is the abode of all Oversouls and our Higher Self. Every Oversoul itself has a matrix of 9 Angelic Levels from Cherubim to ArchAngel. These angelic levels maintain our chakras. Probably they maintain the Astrological Impulses of planets too in every Star System in the Multiverse.

When we meditate with the intent of connecting to our Oversoul, we will get different type of dreams. We wont be flying around. We will be "visioning". We will be downloading archetypes. We may get past life recalls.
In visions, we will get instantaneous awareness of knowledge or a solution to a puzzling issue in life.
In past life recalls, we will be aware of who we are now ad at the same time who we were then and see certain events. There will be a feeling of remembering that life's next event with accuracy. The density will feel like 3D, we wont see flakey, elastic astral stuff. It will seem totally real. These dream recalls stop when the emotions get too strong, especially when we see how much we hurt a present life loved one int that timeline. We may cry in these dreams, and when we wake up there wont be tears even though the heart rate will be 200 plus.

I have seen myself kill others savagely in a warrior lifeline. It was an assasination attempt of my king. I was his general. The clothing was like early iron age. It was a buffet, all guests were unarmed and a dozen or so assassins leapt in. I caught a sword with my palms, twisted it out, palms bleeding, and once I held it, the assassins stepped back, there was fear. I was towering above them, they looked like pygmies. The present me wanted to run away, but the other me cut the assassins as if they were mannequins. I could not see further, I woke up.

Even today this recall is as fresh as an immediate event. All thru the recall I was thinking, "How could I be doing this? How could I be doing this..."
This is one of more than 17 recalls. Others far too macabre to mention. Vietnam for instance. Thats where I was told that a child who died in a napalm bombing would be born as my nephew. That my brother in this life was a son lost in America.
As if to confirm the recall, it was that year
that my brother left for the US.

Sometimes I think, can others manage to know the exact details of past lifelines, or will it drive them insane? It is aid premature Kundalini does just that, drives peoplpe insane not because of the energy but because they see in a instant all their past life crimes.

Next, Parallels? Here the feeling is neither like Hyperspace nor Astral nor lucid dreaming. It is like everyday life in 3D Talking and doing mundane stuff. Some people are different most are the same, relation ships are similar. It is said there are 7 parallel timelines per lifeline. I have consistently seen only 2.
In one, my mother is alive and dad is dead. In the present it is my dad who is alive. In a third parallel, both parents are alive but I have no siblings. It is always consistent and clear. The moment I get awareness of the present lifeline, that parallel goes out of focus and I wake up here. Never do I feel drained or emotional in this parallel lifeline. no heart rate changes nothing. Totally normal."

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posted January 09, 2010 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,
This is so true. The runner has to "level up". And I believe it is held apart until that happens. And Polo is correct, the connection flows from top down, i.e., spiritual, emotional, physical. When it reaches the ego body, the intensity of the spiritual connection is enough to scare the s*** out of them, and they pull back. I think ORBM said it best. That there is a place in their mind (ego) that doesn't understand the intensity of the connection. Maybe you aren't the "type" they were always attracted to. They are receiving guidance from their highest self and oversoul, but the ego is fighting it. Because of their own internal conflict, they pull back. And even though it hurts like hell when that happens, it's really for the best. They can work through their ego level, and you can work on seeing it through unconditional love and compassion.

Something good I always try to remember; the Ego believes it's the engine on the train, and the Soul is just the caboose. But in reality, the Soul is the engine. So say the Ego wants to turn Left, but the Soul's intention is for them to head to the Right. The Ego is convinced that by turning Left, they will be happy. That they have to have "this" to be happy. The Soul tells the Ego, "NO, NOT THAT WAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT FOR YOU.", and the Ego says "SHUT UP, I WILL DO WHAT I WANT". So then they have an internal fight. To the degree the Ego is pulling one way, and the Soul is pulling you the other way, is the crisis you create in your life.

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posted January 09, 2010 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Great post, VIG!

That is exactly how I see it.

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Lara
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posted January 09, 2010 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Exactly VIG!!! this is exactly what we are also facing
ugh


ORBM - I don't agree about the dimensions. I am visibly and consciously experiencing 4th dimension in 100% of my life now - I've ascended and now doing the same for the 5th.
I've been astral traveling all my life and it's similar yet not the same as 4th dimension integration

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posted January 09, 2010 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Lara- Are you saying there is a difference between Astral Traveling and the 4th dimension?

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Lara
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posted January 09, 2010 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Yes honey I am!!!

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posted January 09, 2010 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
"I now believe that the Universe splits you up when one is not ready ~ this safeguards the relationship for the future when the TF has worked on themselves"

is it possible that one will be ready and not the other? after all they are TWINS, are they not on a parallel evolution? what i'm asking i guess, is how can one be sure it is the OTHER person who needs to work on themselves and not ourself? if we are part of the same soul?

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posted January 09, 2010 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Yes it is possible - for instance, my TF is very evolved and yet his evolvement is on a different area and level to mine!

So, he doesn't listen to his higher self and his soul - he is still listening to EGO. I am beyond EGO as i have been intune with spirit since my birth - he hasn't.

On another level, he will be more evolved than me - probably on a compassion level so now i catch up on that level by having compassion for his decision and allowing him to do what he has to do.

It's not a meet up and then you live happily ever after - at least not from my own experience and my intuit on the whole thing

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posted January 09, 2010 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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is it possible that one will be ready and not the other? after all they are TWINS, are they not on a parallel evolution? what i'm asking i guess, is how can one be sure it is the OTHER person who needs to work on themselves and not ourself? if we are part of the same soul?

This is something that I did not realize for the longest time! For many years I have been at a level of consciousness where I was no longer consumed with the desire for material things. I had overcome the temptations of the flesh and sensuality. Any kind of sexual or emotional manipulation used would have no effect on me because it couldn't reach me. I was very proud of my accomplishment and likely I had developed a bit of arrogance about it.

Suddenly, this Twin Flame experience happens and I am affected, deeply affected. No one in my life has ever reached me in such a profound way. As I said before, it is as though she has access to areas and parts within me where only God should be allowed to go, so to speak. This made me feel very uncomfortable and nervous because any ego defense that I had learned to use would immediately dissolve in her presence and I was naked as I stood before her. In fact, I would feel so exposed that I wouldn't even want to see her while other people were present, as I felt that they would also notice my extreme vulnerability. This was scary!

I mention all of this to lead back to Katatonic's point. What I would soon realize from this is that yes, I had overcome lust and materialism externally, but I still had not learned "Unconditional Love" internally and now it seemed the time had come for me to do so.

Everything I had taught myself in this regard was designed to keep me from being ensnared by the Wrong Woman, but I had not learned anything about how I should respond if I ever came into contact with the Right Woman. In this scenario I am back to "square one." I have mastery over the material, but spiritually, or better yet, soulfully, I am in many ways a teenager, experimenting and just starting out. Before I thought that I knew it all, but with this I have much to learn.

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posted January 09, 2010 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Do any of you think that your soulmates,twin flames could be the same sex as you.

After all, soul goes beyond sex.

A sexual preference for a certain sex whether it's the opposite sex or the same could be connected to the ego and have nothing to do with the soul.

If we stopped identifying with form in regards to how we view ourselves as male or female, maybe we are more likely to attract our soulmates,twin flames no matter what sex they are.


I think that a lot of people that want to be with their soulmates,twinflames are more likely to be heterosexual people that just want that "perfect" relationship with the opposite sex.


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posted January 09, 2010 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Polo, you are sounding extremely like my TF lol
He said all these things to me and he found me scary!

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posted January 09, 2010 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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So tell me, what is the 4th Dimension to you? Or does it even exist for you?

I'm sorry, but I cannot buy into the way that dimensions are being described by many of you. A dimension is not a place, it is means of measuring the extent of something. As I have said, If your only confirmation of something is how you feel, how can what you say be viewed as credible? I have read books about astral travel and I have even had lucid dreams, but this is no indication of traveling to any actual place. These things are imaginary; images created by my subconscious mind while I sleep.

The reason why I seek objective proof is because subjective feelings may have no basis in reality and if they don't, how can they have any value in a quest for the truth. A person could be mentally or psychologically imbalanced or ill and feel things that are complete fantasy and fabrication, but since their mind is dysfunctional, they believe in it and have no way of knowing that it is false. If we believe in it, then mental illness can potentially be spread to others, moving us in the direction away from greater enlightenment.

Don't let what you read about convince you that you have experienced something you actually have not. What you read may be fiction and cannot actually occur in reality. I am here to seek the truth, nothing more and nothing less. Dimensions are levels of conscious awareness. They do not permit you to fly a break cosmic laws as Will Smith did in the movie Hancock. That didn't have anything to do with consciousness, that was physical. What you can imagine being done in your mind cannot be done by breaking the law of reality, only by following it.

For instance, you may imagine or dream that you can fly, but unless you learn about aerodynamics and gravity and discover a way to overcome them through study and learning, you will not fly in reality, you will only fall. Only in your mind can you ignore natural laws. So, I am sorry, if you have no objective proof I do not believe a word of what you say about anything.

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posted January 09, 2010 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Polo C,

I am in agreement with you.

I believe that discernment and just plain common sense are important to understand reality.


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posted January 09, 2010 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Polo,

"The reason why I seek objective proof is because subjective feels may have no basis in reality and if it doesn't, how can it have any value in a quest for the truth. a person could be mentally or psychologically imbalanced or ill and feel things that are complete fantasy and fabrication, but since their mind is dysfunctional, they believe in it and have no way of knowing that it is false. If we believe in it, then mental illness can potentially be spread to others, moving us in the direction away from greater enlightenment."

I agree. (I can`t believe how often I agreed with you in these last days ).

I think that is the shadow side of spiritual experiences, or what we perceive to be spiritual.

We may be absolutely right, and everything may be the pure truth, but we don`t actually KNOW.
Yes, we can feel it inside, with so much certainty, without the shadow of a doubt.
But then those people who commit murder in the name of God or the devil or some minor demon, also believe without a doubt in their own perception of reality.
From a certain degree on such a conviction can be really destructive, to themselves, and others around them.

On the other hand we cant do anything but followr our Higher Selves, our own perception of truth.

Personally I just try to stay open to the possibilities that others may perceive things a different way, and trying to keep in mind, that all this happens on my subjective level, but is not an objective truth (or if it is the objective truth, then we cannot really know, as we can never be really objective ourselves. Just to clarify by objective / subjective I mean: a) subjective: see from an internal perspective
b) objective: see from an external perspective)


Glaucus,

I agree with you.

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posted January 09, 2010 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"For instance, you may imagine or dream that you can fly, but unless you learn about aerodynamics and gravity and discover a way to overcome them through study and learning, you will not fly in reality, you will only fall. Only in your mind can you ignore natural laws. So, I am sorry, if you have no objective proof I do not believe a word of what you say about anything."


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posted January 09, 2010 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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Do any of you think that your soulmates,twin flames could be the same sex as you.
After all, soul goes beyond sex.

Maybe, but I doubt it and here is why. The entire argument for homosexuality is based on a flaw in the interpretation of heterosexuality: That sex and sexuality are designed for sensual pleasure and the enjoyment of the two parties who are in love. This is false! Sex is designed for reproduction and the propagation of the species and the pleasure or enjoyment we derive from it is to insure that we do so. In homosexual relationships reproduction is not possible and if everyone suddenly became homosexual the human race would quickly become extinct.

Twin Flames are about our Higher Selves or elevated levels of consciousness allowing us to transcend the confusion that comes with ego gratification. I am not saying that homosexual relationships are devoid of authentic love, but their coming together does not serve to propagate the species. Hmmmm... Maybe their purpose is to help regulate it and control population expansion. That would serve the greater good.

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If we stopped identifying with form in regards to how we view ourselves as male or female, maybe we are more likely to attract our soulmates,twin flames no matter what sex they are.

We are what we are for a reason and to simply ignore it will only make one ignorant.

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I think that a lot of people that want to be with their soulmates,twinflames are more likely to be heterosexual people that just want that "perfect" relationship with the opposite sex.

Glaucus, you are right and those who pursue it in this fashion are completely misdirected. I would say the key is to not seek a relationship with a significant other at all and to let your focus be on your own growth and development and just see where it takes you.


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posted January 09, 2010 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
WHO SAID THE 4th or 5th DIMENSIONS WERE PLACES? LOL

They are absolutely not places!!! They are energetics - parallels - levels of energy that we live by through the Higher Self.

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posted January 09, 2010 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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Personally I just try to stay open to the possibilities that others may perceive things a different way, and trying to keep in mind, that all this happens on my subjective level, but is not an objective truth (or if it is the objective truth, then we cannot really know, as we can never be really objective ourselves. Just to clarify by objective / subjective I mean: a) subjective: see from an internal perspective
b) objective: see from an external perspective)

Yes, but if we are honest and sincere, with ourselves as well as others, we may be able to discover an objective truth through the consistency and commonality of what we all collectively experience. If someone unknowingly lies because they have not verified their own information, or if they deliberately deceive for whatever reason they may have, it destroys the entire process making the truth that much more difficult to discern for the other parties involved.

Consistency is the key to cohesion in knowledge. For example: If you know something that I don't know, then you must find a way to connect, or build a bridge between, what you know and what I know so that I can safely walk across, combining the new knowledge to what was already known in a harmonious way. If this is not done, I will either need to disregard what I already know, or reject what you attempt to have me accept, but to have them both will cause cognitive dissonance which will lead to uncertainty and confusion with holes in my body of knowledge. If you can't connect the dots you will not be able to evolve consciousness or master reality. The truth is ONE and each part of it will fit with every other part of it harmoniously. Falsehood is what messes it up and this is why "I HATE LIES and LIARS" with a passion!!!

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Yes, but if we are honest and sincere, with ourselves as well as others, we may be able to discover an objective truth through the consistency and commonality of what we all collectively experience. If someone unknowingly lies because they have not verified their own information, or if the deliberately deceive for whatever reason they may have, it destroys the entire process making the truth that much more difficult to discern for the other parties involved.
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I agree completly with that statement

as with me it hurts to hear John say that someone else is his true soulmate when heaven has said that the relationship is karmic and to hear her say he is my one and only. and yet I know from the Angels and God himself that we are soulmates and When I say that to others who are not open they laugh at me. I don't know why it bothers me so much I think it is just that I want the truth and feel that the truth should be told though through compassion I just carry it with me and try to move on even though it hurts me for some reason.

Funny enough my NN is conjunct his point of truth.

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