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posted January 10, 2010 03:26 AM         

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Before anyone can solidly claim to be in a soul mate or twin flame relationship, I would like to see them waiting until quite a few years have past and see if life has dampened or altered the feelings they are currently experiencing. Every new relationship is exciting, and people tend to wax eloquent about the wonderfulness of it, like it's the best thing that has ever happened to them. Then a couple of years later, you hear a different story.

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I TOTALLY agree. There is a difference between romantic sexuality and soulful spirituality. I proposed that the difference was between Venus/Mars and Eros/Psyche, but that's just my theory; I have very little evidence to completely back it up, but I am compiling it every day.

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posted January 10, 2010 03:27 AM         

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I usually stay away from the twinflame talks, mainly because I don't believe that it can be shown in astrology, though I believe in twinflames (even though I don't much like that term).

My belief is that what we refer to as "twinflames" - one incarnates and the other stays in spirit - and acts as a guide for the one on Earth. They come together - probably last human/Earth lifetime.

I believe that our twinflames send us signs about themselves and about our connection through other people - albeit people we meet - and preparing us to be with them or meet them - or through celebritites or characters - their names, characteristics, looks even - awakenings or reminders for us.

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posted January 10, 2010 03:29 AM         

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8 - Vaporlash

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If I meant 8, I wouldn't have posted a pic of a serpent biting its own tail.

I was being sarcastic, for this reason:

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Glaucus: a rate of one's knowledge cannot be reflected by a number on a scale

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posted January 10, 2010 03:29 AM         

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Now, what was it that led you to believe this PeaceAngel?

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posted January 10, 2010 03:30 AM         

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Hmmm. I wan't prepared for that question, Polo. I thought I'd get shouted down on that one, actually.

Honestly, experience and observing the experiences of other people.

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posted January 10, 2010 03:30 AM         

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Don't feel bad VaporLash, at least you're not Lara

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posted January 10, 2010 03:34 AM         

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To reiterate:

"Irlnocialy tihs eoxpess a cretian ftulitiy ihneernt in teh oirgnial qeustoin"

and translating - in case you couldn't read that:

Ironically this exposes a certain futility inherent in the original question.

I only give serious answers to things I don't perceive as futile.

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posted January 10, 2010 03:35 AM         

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My belief is that what we refer to as "twinflames" - one incarnates and the other stays in spirit - and acts as a guide for the one on Earth. They come together - probably last human/Earth lifetime.

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How can you know this through experience? Now I have read this, just as others have, but this is only speculation. It's an idea or a guess even. There is no way to distinguish it from a fairy-tale or a myth. The message of it may be true, but the literal understanding... I doubt that very seriously.

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posted January 10, 2010 03:43 AM         

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I don't know about the when they come together - that's purely theory on my part, at this point in time.

The rest of it I firmly believe.

You can't say what other people have or haven't experienced. That it's speculation is limited only by your own experiences or beliefs. This just happens to be mine - experience and belief.

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posted January 10, 2010 03:44 AM         

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I didn't put it up there to justify it or argue it, I put it up there because it may just resonate with someone else too.

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posted January 10, 2010 03:50 AM         

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You misunderstand me. I am only asking for evidence that I can evaluate objectively. Every time I ask this somebody takes offense and gets defensive which makes what you say seem all the less credible.

I don't want to disbelieve what you suggest, but I am cautious about allowing falsehood into my own psyche. That's no attack on you, but if you believe in something it is wise to make sure that the belief is consistent with reality, otherwise what will prevent you from losing your mind and potentially go insane?

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posted January 10, 2010 03:56 AM         

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Your reality may well be different from mine. That doesn't have to make either of us crazy or any way less real.

What you want as "evidence" (someone elses personal experience), quite honestly, may not be enough for you.

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posted January 10, 2010 03:56 AM         

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Poor Lara... When will she ever learn? 0 Zero, or some infinite fraction between Zero and One, is the best answer one could choose in comparing their own knowledge with the knowledge of God. It shows both reasonability and humility. Those who know how much they do not know are the most open and willing to learn, but those who think they know it all don't feel they need to learn anything. I think a review of this thread will prove, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that this theory is correct and the numbers don't lie. LMmfao!!!! Sorry Lara. Buh-bye now

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OMG!!!! If I could pull it off I'd say "Oh no he DIDN'T!"

(This just got reallllly interesting.)

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posted January 10, 2010 03:58 AM         

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When you say you've met the one for you - not just you, anyone here - how do you know this? And, how can you give that as evidence to me?

I'm not being argumentative - Mercury Aries has a habit of sounding combative when it isn't - just asking.

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posted January 10, 2010 04:07 AM         

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Your reality may well be different from mine. That doesn't have to make either of us insane or any way less real.
What you want as "evidence" (someone elses personal experience), quite honestly, may not be enough for you.

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Reality is not subjective... Experience is, but experience is based on one's perception and this is one's interpretation of reality, but not actual reality. That's why the truth is so important. It allows us to insure that our interpretation is accurate. Without the truth one is lost and their entire view of reality will be erroneous, this is what we call fantasy. So, I don't have my own reality independent of you, we have individual experience, but there is only one reality established by the laws of Cause and Effect.

If your belief is contrary to reality you will be more insane than sane. Something that is false cannot at the same time be true. Something that is artificial or phony cannot also be authentic or Real.

The evidence will be enough if someone's alleged personal experience is in accordance with reality. How can you say that it wont be enough for me if you haven't even tried. If it's false or fake, then you're right, I wont accept it as enough, I'm sorry, but I cannot.

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posted January 10, 2010 04:09 AM         

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Fair enough. Is it possible that you just haven't had that experience "yet" or have and don't have teh awareness of it? Is it possible that you haven't had the experience yet simply because you don't believe in it to begin with?

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posted January 10, 2010 04:13 AM         

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I don't know that your sense of reality is any more aligned to wishful thinking, or any other energy, than you know mine.

Twinflames are so highly idealised and romanticsed that I think there's a huge element of wishful thinking attached to their perception. What if the feelings you think/associate with twinflames or soulmates are something else (in this universal sense of reality)? What if you're believing you're feeling "twinflame" when it is karmic soulmate or any other term used?

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posted January 10, 2010 04:15 AM         

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Lets make it more Earth friendly. How many people confuse lust for love?

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posted January 10, 2010 04:16 AM         

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When you say you've met the one for you - not just you, anyone here - how do you know this? And, how can you give that as evidence to me?
I'm not being argumentative - Mercury Aries has a habit of sounding combative when it isn't - just asking.

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That's what this is all about, looking for objective ways to prove soul mates or twin flames. In my own experience, I have already said before that what I feel, and what I suspect because of what I intensely feel, isn't enough for me. I need objective proof. The only thing that made me take the subject of twin flames into serious consideration was the external synchronicity and telepathy that third parties witnessed and verified. This was objective proof that what I experienced was not the result of self-deception or imaginary. From this point I began to do research and run experiments and test to gain more objective evidence.

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posted January 10, 2010 04:22 AM         

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So, you don't trust your own feelings? Or, you don't trust feelings at all? So you look to astrology to confirm your feelings?

So, you look externally for evidence of what you believe internally (because you don't want to delude yourself maybe?). Isn't that relying on the interpretations of other people to tell you what you're feeling? How many different interpretations can you get from one chart?

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posted January 10, 2010 04:22 AM         

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When I ask you a question, it isn't necessarily that I don't already have an answer or I lack the experience, most times I am looking for further evidence... I am looking for consistency of experience to find objective truth. If you describe something in a way that is far removed from what I already understand, I need to know why you see it as you do. Maybe you know something I don't, or maybe I know something that you don't, but if we don't discuss it reasonably we will never reach any higher truth and that is all I am really interested in doing. For the benefit of both myself and for others.

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posted January 10, 2010 04:23 AM         

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Would you opt to not go out with someone because someone gave you a chart interpretation that said that they are not your twinflame, despite feelings from you that you could make a good Earth life with them?

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posted January 10, 2010 04:24 AM         

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Then we are here for the same reasons - to learn.

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posted January 10, 2010 04:30 AM         

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So, you don't trust your own feelings? Or, you don't trust feelings at all? So you look to astrology to confirm your feelings?
So, you look externally for evidence of what you believe internally (because you don't want to delude yourself maybe?). Isn't that relying on the interpretations of other people to tell you what you're feeling? How many different interpretations can you get from one chart?

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See, you made one assumption and then built an entire case against me that had nothing to do with the facts.

The elevation of consciousness and the development of Soul is all about internal balance. What I perceive sensually, through the 5 senses, must be congruent with what I feel emotionally and these two must be harmonious with the meaning I perceive eternally, or spiritually. This creates a holistic soulful view and can only be achieved effectively through an acquisition of truth at each level.

Most people are too lazy to do this and so they just believe whatever and hope that it turns out to be right. I refuse to take such chances because I recognize the importance of true enlightenment.

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posted January 10, 2010 04:34 AM         

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You can probably also understand the reluctance of someone to share their experiences - especially if they're a bit removed from some kind of "norm" - if they perceive off the break that they'll be met with hostility, etc.

I can't prove to you my experiences or what I feel - and vice versa.

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