posted January 10, 2010 04:34 AM         

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Would you opt to not go out with someone because someone gave you a chart interpretation that said that they are not your twinflame, despite feelings from you that you could make a good Earth life with them?

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posted January 10, 2010 04:36 AM         

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That's what this is all about, looking for objective ways to prove soul mates or twin flames.

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Just a thought: I had a few close conjunctions with a particular person. Many of the things I read re: soulmates and twin flames, but specifically twin flames.. were accurate for us - the way we met, the synchronicities, the ability to read each other's thoughts, the instant feeling of *I know this person*. I couldn't place him. I was convinced he reminded me of someone and couldn't recall who. I wrecked my brain trying to figure it out. Later I found out he felt the same way.
I still don't know who he reminds me off. My best guess is that he reminds me of himself. It was a STRONG feeling of knowing him as soon as we locked eyes.

I do not believe this person was/is my twin. Although he probably is a soulmate because we had lots of (mostly difficult) karma to resolve for about 4 years. My interpretation of the synchronicities between us was that having similar charts - we were similar enough to behave in a similar manner.. and thus be able to predict what the other person may or may not do (hence the feeling of synchronicity or serendipity). Sometimes when you have close conjunctions you can end up in the same place at the same time – purely in virtue of that. I'm not sure whether this could apply in your situation.

Him:
Pisces Sun & Moon
Aries Mercury & Venus
Taurus Mars & NN

posted January 10, 2010 04:41 AM         

I don't know about most people being lazy. I don't know most people, but I tend to think that in general people do the best that they can with where they are, and what they've got.

posted January 10, 2010 04:42 AM         

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No way! I would keep the chart in mind and judge the accuracy of it by what I actually experienced, but my decision would be made based on my own judgement determined by my own holistic and cohesive understanding. I would take all available information into account, looking for consistency to find the truth.

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posted January 10, 2010 04:50 AM         

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I can't prove to you my experiences or what I feel - and vice versa.

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If it happened in reality you can. If it actually does exist then it will leave foot prints in reality and this is the evidence that you use for proof. If it's purely imaginary, then there will be no footprints that you can use to confirm the truth. Just try! Think about it and try to remember. there has to be something there if it is real.

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Many of the things I read re: soulmates and twin flames, but specifically twin flames.. were accurate for us - the way we met, the synchronicities, the ability to read each other's thoughts,

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Please describe of few of these for me, if you will.

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My interpretation of the synchronicities between us was that having similar charts - we were similar enough to behave in a similar manner.. and thus be able to predict what the other person may or may not do (hence the feeling of synchronicity or serendipity).

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Did you have a feeling of synchronicity or was there actual external, objective synchronicity that could be observed and witnessed that had nothing to do with feeling?

posted January 10, 2010 04:52 AM         

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Following your heart isn't enough?

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PA, I agree. If I read a rule-book on finding ones twin, me and Mr. Pisces fit all the criteria. A few people have posted "signs to know you've met your twin" - or something along those lines... and it is TICK, TICK, TICK.. lol We tick all the right boxes.

My heart says - NO.. he is not my twin. He couldn't be. There was too much pain for both of us.

I've also read the whole - "twin flame encounters can be painful if one or both people are not at the level they need to be" - or something to that effect.

So if I really wanted to ,I could go on calling him "my twin".. but I won't do that. I refuse to do that because in my heart I know otherwise.

posted January 10, 2010 04:54 AM         

Speaking of objective evidence, there is objective evidence in computer science that Memory is not equal to Computation. Computation needs "Logic" Gates.
Also, Memory is not equal to Operating System. Memory is not equal to wiring from memory modules to logic gates.

Yet, our Brain is composed ONLY of standard memory modules with data transfer using ATP Molecules and Sodium/Potassion ions.

How does the Brain
a) think logically
b) analyze patterns
c) Retrieve and Filter Data
d) Index Data
e) Sense emotion
f) Generate Neuropeptide molecules by reading RNA codes in DNA

all without having an objective bio-Processor, bio-logic gate structure, bio-Operating System and bio-indexing database ?

All of the brain's components (Frontal Lobe, Cerebrum, Cerebellum) mimic various forms of RAM and Disk Memory. We have no fan in the Cranium either, and the total calculations allegedly performed by the nerve cells alone should burn out the brain in a couple of days. I say this because it takes nearly 100 billion pixels (and fuzzy logic algorithms) to store a few minutes of video. At most the brain has on-off of Sodium-Potassim ions and we dont have more than 10 billion neurons active at a time. Yet we can recall hundreds of movies and events spanning trillions of pixels of data.

A simple visualization would wear out a computer RAM without graphics card but we human beings easily fantasize and visualize.

So where is the objective evidence for thinking, computation, image recognition and analysis inside the Human Body? If it is outside the human body, where is it? How does it interact? How can it be measured?

Nextly, where is the objective proof that you yourself have a Soul?

What if you are a lab creation and given a fake date of birth certificate. Hmmm.. what is the objective evidence that it was indeed you who was born in that hospital at that time and date? What if there was a baby swap? Is there CCTV evidence mapped to stem cell-DNA taken from the newborn that it was indeed you? If you want objective evidence from other's rich subjective experiences, others have the same right from you. Law of Karma [though I have no "objective evidence" for it... ]

Without having an objective proof for your own Soul's existence, why bother investigating Soulmates or even speak of connections to God? What is the repeatably measurable-instrumentation based objective evidence for God's existence in any Form?

posted January 10, 2010 04:54 AM         

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If it happened in reality you can. If it actually does exist then it will leave foot prints in reality and this is the evidence that you use for proof. If it's purely imaginary, then there will be no footprints that you can use to confirm the truth. Just try! Think about it and try to remember. there has to be something there if it is real.

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It happened in my reality, so if you're willing to accept what is my reality you will understand or accept it. If not, we may have a difference of opinion, which is fine too. Since we experience reality differently.

I could perceive that something you believe is real is purely imaginary, and vice versa. It's not for either of us to say.

For instance, two people - one sees spirits since birth and the other doesn't. That one person doesn't see them doesn't make it imaginary. It just makes it a differing experience of reality for the two people.

posted January 10, 2010 04:56 AM         

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Following your heart isn't enough?

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No, it isn't... It sounds romantic, but it in real life this can get you into a lot of trouble. You have got to learn to follow your Soul, because as I said earlier, your Soul takes everything into account and produces more sound judgement.

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How does what you perceive through your five senses fit with the chakras that you can't see? How do you discern the physical from the spiritual?

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I'm not sure that I understand this question. can you ask it in another way?

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I don't know about most people being lazy. I don't know most people, but I tend to think that in general people do the best that they can with where they are, and what they've got.

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I'll go along with that, but some of them have got to learn to do better because there best just aint good enough.

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I didn't make assumptions about you. I was asking you questions. Whether you choose to answer them or not is another thing, of course.

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posted January 10, 2010 05:05 AM         

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No, it isn't... It sounds romantic, but it in real life this can get you into a lot of trouble. You have got to learn to follow your Soul, because as I said earlier, your Soul takes everything into account and produces more sound judgement.

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Isn't your heart your physical connection to your soul?

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I'm not sure that I understand this question. can you ask it in another way?

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Sure. You are aware of your five senses because you use them on a daily basis as a human being. How are you aware of the chakras as they cannot be sensed in the same way? Maybe I'm asking, how do you know they're real?

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I'll go along with that, but some of them have got to learn to do better because there best just aint good enough.

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posted January 10, 2010 05:08 AM         

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Please describe of few of these for me, if you will.

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Here's one example:
I was lying down on the grass, near my university, reading a book. I kind of stopped reading- it was a hot day and I was about to fall asleep with the book covering my face. Suddenly I got this picture of him flashing before my eyes (although my eyes were shut) – I opened my eyes and he was right in front of me, picking up some papers. The wind had blown his papers away and onto me.

This was especially ODD since he did not attend the same university and was usually never there ^

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Did you have a feeling of synchronicity or was there actual external, objective synchronicity that could be observed and witnessed that had nothing to do with feeling?

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posted January 10, 2010 05:22 AM         

why not call out Lara for being rude though?

why get on only Polo C's butt?

she says that people's opinions are BS and asininine, but she points out other people's rudeness and talking to her like she's stupid. She calls people names,and even Diandra pointed that out.

let me show you

"posted January 09, 2010 06:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lara Edit/Delete Message Actually I've decided to not post anymore on this thread.

I resent Polo's attitude and line of judgement and assuming we are all effing stupid. I will not tolerate his remarks of preaching me to not listen nor read others views when I absolutely do not and my views are my truth from my EXPERIENCE.

How dare he! Polo you are a jerk! You bite the hand that feeds you and this is why you need to ask all of these inner questions to the outer world."

"posted January 09, 2010 06:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lara Edit/Delete Message No Diandra, he said that i should not listen to others who say i'm not on my last life!

I am learning fast that it is better to be quiet and just not share any knowledge at all!!

All it does is provoke asinine, nit-picking comments like Raymond's! LOL

What-ever.......... !"

"posted January 09, 2010 08:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lara Edit/Delete Message LOL what a load of BS Glaucus".

oh yeah...I am not surprised that she rated her knowledge a 9. That was something that I expected her to say.

heck..on facebook, I told meta that she is an English version of venusdeindia, and that was before she gave that answer about being a 9.

Raymond

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posted January 10, 2010 05:23 AM         

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Speaking of objective evidence, there is objective evidence in computer science that Memory is not equal to Computation. Computation needs "Logic" Gates.
Also, Memory is not equal to Operating System. Memory is not equal to wiring from memory modules to logic gates.

Yet, our Brain is composed ONLY of standard memory modules with data transfer using ATP Molecules and Sodium/Potassion ions.

How does the Brain
a) think logically
b) analyze patterns
c) Retrieve and Filter Data
d) Index Data
e) Sense emotion
f) Generate Neuropeptide molecules by reading RNA codes in DNA

all without having an objective bio-Processor, bio-logic gate structure, bio-Operating System and bio-indexing database ?

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Because "Computer Science" is not "Brain Science" and their understanding of the human mind and consciousness is limited.

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Nextly, where is the objective proof that you yourself have a Soul?

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First of all, lets be clear on what a Soul is. A transparent, energetic, floating image that walks through walls like a ghost? I don't think so. I have defined the Soul as one's degree of Holistic awareness. If one has awareness, then one has some degree of soul. How much or how little is determined by the truth that one accumulates.

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Without having an objective proof for your own Soul's existence, why bother investigating Soulmates or even speak of connections to God? What is the repeatably measurable-instrumentation based objective evidence for God's existence in any Form?

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God is the easiest thing for me to prove! I have done so in many post before _

• Everything that has a material form also has an immaterial design.
• Design determines the shape of material forms for the purpose of a particular function.
  
• All immaterial design is unaffected by space or by time so design is eternal in nature.
• All material forms that exist as part of reality have their structure determined by an immaterial, eternal design.
• In astrology we seek to understand our Individual Design by the placement of planets and asteroids in the cosmos.
• All of these things function and follow a universal form established by one grand design.
• This one Grand Organizing Design is G.O.D. or God.

The holistic view of the Soul is what allows us to perceive God. Jesus said, "Blessed are the pure in Heart, for they shall see God." Now you know what he means. If you need any further clarification on this subject, please post as many questions as you'd like, but I only ask that you keep them specific.

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It happened in my reality

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We already covered this "My Reality" "Your Reality" mess. I'm not gonna backtrack. Just scroll back to the post where we addressed it.

posted January 10, 2010 05:32 AM         

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We already covered this "My Reality" "Your Reality" mess.

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posted January 10, 2010 05:42 AM         

Peaceangel,

I agree

in late September of 1998,
I remember when I was on Diego Garcia when I was in the navy. I was talking to a chief hospital corpsman. He tried to tell me that I was schizophrenic because of my metaphysical beliefs,experiences. I sensed that he was onesided. I said that Jesus Christ had metaphysical beliefs,experiences.

He said "That's Jesus Christ"

and that's when I came at with a rebuttal and said:

"Nobody knows what is real and what is not real. Look at how many religions are on this earth!"

He didn't say a word. He just left out the room.

that's an example of how perceptions of reality are relative.

a lot of people think Astrology is real, but a lot of people think Astrology is not real. There are astrologers that believe asteroid astrology is real, but there are other astrologers that believe it's B.S.

The same stuff applies to politics. There are a lot of people that think that President Obama is sincere and wants to help people, and there are lot of people that believe that he is somebody that has a hidden agenda and is dangerous, comparing him to Hitler. It's just a relative perception.

Raymond

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posted January 10, 2010 06:00 AM         

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It's acceptable that angels feature in the Bible, but that people (us, anyone) can experience or see them on a day-to-day basis can be seen as incredulous.

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posted January 10, 2010 06:23 AM         

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t's just a relative perception.

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exactly, but "Perception" is not Reality. It's an interpretation.

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a lot of people think Astrology is real, but a lot of people think Astrology is not real.

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What a person thinks is also their perception. Their interpretation of reality.

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that's an example of how perceptions of reality are relative.

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Right again! Perceptions of reality are relative, but actual reality is not.

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"Nobody knows what is real and what is not real. Look at how many religions are on this earth!"

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That is not right. A thing is real if it actually exists. Some people know what things exist and what things don't, at least to some degree, and these people know what is real.

All organized religions are designed to keep people away from the truth in order to remain relevant. The mystery of God is not all that complicated to solve if you approach it correctly. It's been 3,000 and Christianity can't effectively explain the Holy Trinity when I can do it in less than 3 minutes. Why? Because I value the truth, but there focus is on the congregation and the group.

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It can't be fact if other people are disagreeing with it. You say black. They say white. There's also a zillion shades of grey in between. Who says what's truth?

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Now this is an INSANE statement! people disagree with facts all the time, it's called LYING! One's acceptance of a fact or truth has no effect on the quality of the fact or truth.

Well, in the usage of language, the one's who create the symbols establish their meanings. In the english language the color black refers to a particular shade, or that which has no discernible light or color. Those who make the language define the meanings and when we use their language we must follow their definitions in order to communicate effectively.

In experience actual events that occur determine what is true. You it didn't happen, then it doesn't exist, but if you say it does then you speak falsely.

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It's simply your reality - what you choose to believe. That doesn't make it fit or right for someone else. People believe different things - see the world differently - experience it differently - and that includes the perception of what is real.

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