posted January 10, 2010 06:26 AM         

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See them as in see their work/help/guidance for each on a day-to-day basis. And sure, people do "see" angels. That you may not doesn't make it unreal.

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Right. I saw one when I was small, but do I remember what it looked like? Nope. I was stunned when I saw it, and pointed out the "beautiful angel" to my mother. It really caught me off guard (Mum couldn't see anything there, and neither could her friend).

posted January 10, 2010 06:33 AM         

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Some people see them as demon looking creatures (I've read), some people see them as human looking creatures, some with wings, some without, some people see orbs or lights, flashes. Some people hear them, sense them. Different people - different experiences.

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I don't believe this and I'll guarantee you that they didn't see anything like that until after someone told them some story or they read about it in some piece of literature.

Why do aliens and angels so often look exactly like some artistic representation that already exists in the world. for instance, back in the 40's and 50's UFO's and flying saucers had a basic bland design and shape, but ironically, as Hollywood's technology advanced, UFO's very conveniently made a leap forward in their complexity. If they had travelled from another solar system, with advanced technology, shouldn't we have seen the evidence of this even in the 40's and 50's? I would certainly think so. I smell a rat!

posted January 10, 2010 06:37 AM         

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It can't be fact if other people are disagreeing with it. You say black. They say white. There's also a zillion shades of grey in between. Who says what's truth?

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quote Polo:Now this is an INSANE statement! people disagree with facts all the time, it's called LYING! One's acceptance of a fact or truth has no effect on the quality of the fact or truth.

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WTF?
People who disagree with facts are liars? FACTS? Most of the most interesting things about Planet Earth cannot be proven with scientific FACTS. So what are you saying, that we are all liars just because it is a FACT that Angels cannot be seen and therefore don't exist? lol

posted January 10, 2010 06:41 AM         

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Okay - so, for instance, if I was to say to you that I see dead people/spirits - what's your take on that reality or perception? By your standards would I be lying?

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First we need to establish if something like that is even possible. The dead person's body is in the ground, or cremated, so what do you actually claim to see? The spirit? well what is that? I say the spirit is one's immaterial design. The same thing we analyze in astrology. You say the spirit is a ghost because you saw it in the movies and on T.V. just like I did. The only difference is that I know better now, but you still believe what you were taught as a child.

If you claim that dead people walk the earth in some form, then you give me details that I can't find in the movie "The 6th Sense"

posted January 10, 2010 06:48 AM         

PA, we must be drunk ~ thats how we see them.
Actually, when i think about all the times a spirit has come up behind me and scared the crap out of me, it does make me laugh.

posted January 10, 2010 06:56 AM         

It's reality. It's just not your reality.

In truth, my truth, that is my reality. Do I need to prove that to you? No. Why? Because it doesn't matter what "evidence" I give you, it won't be enough. Which is what I said about my experience with twinflames at the beginning.

It's the same thing with seeing twinflames in astrology. No amount of charts or aspects will prove to me something that I don't believe is actually possible.

We may have our feet planted on the same planet, but we live in very different worlds (and realities). I respect your ideas are different from mine and that they're your own, but they don't resonate with me. For me, agree to disagree works from here. Thanks for the chat. That's enough for me.

posted January 10, 2010 06:58 AM         

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You say the spirit is a ghost because you saw it in the movies and on T.V. just like I did. The only difference is that I know better now, but you still believe what you were taught as a child.

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Polo, is your last sentence a little patronizing? !

OK, i'd like to say something here because i am fed up of "me right; you wrong" that comes across in your posts.

Polo, you don't know EVERYTHING! It's a big world out there and i don't know where you get this idea that everything you know comes from your head and everything everyone else knows comes from a book or a film or a stupid person's mouth.

I am here to tell you that the spirit is separate from the body and that when you die, the spirit leaves the body through the crown chakra.
Angels are real. so are Arch Angels, whom actively help healing of a person. The higher Self is real and can be seen.

I find it quite disturbing that you so easily are limited in your beliefs unless proven; that says to me that you have a serious mistrust of the world around you.

posted January 10, 2010 11:22 AM         

BTW this morning I ended up picking Mystique card out of the Messages from Angels deck along with the Twin Flame card out of the Angel Therapy deck and All Is Well card out of the Archangel deck.

This is what it says for the Mystique card:

"Keep charging ahead, and don't take no for an answer. Expect miraculous solutions to appear."

Additional message: You are on the right path! Although it might seem to take a lot of time and effort, keep up the good work. You are definitely making progress toward your intended outcome. Sometimes flexibility is called for when you're working toward an aim. But in this instance, you need to stay firm in your conviction. Compromise will only water down the Divine plan that you're manifesting.

"Resist the urge to bend, or to please others. In the end, these individuals will be pleased by the outcome. You're following a Divine course, and others may not be privy to the same vision that you're following. Do your best to explain the vision to the others involved, but don't feel the need to defend your actions. Look at my picture. I am coming out of the darkness and into the light. So are you. You know what you're doing, and we in Heaven are here to back you up fully!"[i]

Raymond

thanks so much for the angel message...being the sap I am I teared right up when I read it. Very sweet of you thanks
I am working on a couple new projects and this is a very welcoming confirmation!

Polo,

sorry for the off topic....getting back on it right now
(can't believe how this thread has increased so quickly - back to reading)

posted January 10, 2010 12:03 PM         

What I mean by my first post is that we indeed are all in the "same" reality, physically atleast but we all precieve reality differently, so there is no right or wrong here.

So PA, Glacaus, Lara, or not in the wrong for seeing angels, spirits, or auras just because I do not "see" or "witness" this taking place does not mean that spirits, angels or what not are not real.

Just like you say twin flames exist, well frankly no one in my life talks about twin flames/soul mates the closest term for that here is "highschool sweethearts" or "they were just made for eachother", no one ever says or even utters twin flames and soul mates because well, no one around me knows what those terms means.

My aunt and uncle do not know what twin flames are because no one told them or explain to them what they are, so how can they be real to them, when they actually believe that such concepts are silly, something you would find in a romance novel, like Romeo and Juliet, star-crossed lovers but they know they are together for God's purpose...

...But damn does that not sound like twin flames?!

My aunt and uncle both know Im into the metaphysical but when I try to talk about twin flames, they always say "Puppy love is nice for a girl your age.."

Twin flames and soul mates are very real to me but to them they equate it and precieve it as mere puppy love..lol...

Twin Flames = Puppy Love, thats reality of G.O.D concept for them

posted January 10, 2010 12:16 PM         

Polo,

Add the personal angles to your collection. So you can have your Eros/Psyche connection as long as you have each others angles connecting as well...so like I mentioned in the other thread ..example Ascendants conjunct or trine - same degree.
When you have exact birth time check all angles even Vertex and check Part of Fortune too!
You see, the planetary and asteroid connections are paramount of course but the angles (and the parts) are personal to YOU and HER or HIM so I think the angles are a very important refining measure

Mystique

posted January 10, 2010 12:32 PM         

What's your view about James Randi? He is the illusionist that followed in the footsteps of Harry Houdini as not only an illusionist, but he is also a debunker of paranormal frauds. His most famous one, Uri Geller. He has repeated the same tricks that Uri Geller did too. He had a show that had paranormal types.

I believe that he has done a lot of good,but I do feel that he is too rigid and dismisses the metaphysical too readily.

He's definitely the archskeptic along with that one astronomer, Carl Sagan.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
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posted January 10, 2010 12:45 PM         

including

their geocentric nodes (personal karma,connections)

their heliocentric nodes (collective karma,connections)

you can calculate yours here: http://www.true-node.com/pos/

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 10, 2010 01:04 PM         

Skepticus in 3'09 Sagittarius
conjunct Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius
oppose Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R
square Moon in 3'11 Pisces

Randi in 8'02 Leo
oppose/conjunct Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius/Leo
trine Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius

Sagan in 14'01 Leo
conjunct Ceres in 13'57 Leo
conjuct Makemake in 16'20 Leo
oppose/conjunct Vertex/Antivertex in 14'58 Aquarius/Leo
sextile Uranus in 15'17 Libra

Right Ascension:

Randi in 9'36 Leo
sextile/trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 9'40 Gemini/Sagittarius

Sagan in 15'53 Leo
square Mercury in 15'32 Scorpio

Skepticus in 0'53 Sagittarius
conjunct Neptune in 0'02 Sagittarius

Heliocentric Nodes:

Heliocentric Skepticus Nodes in 1'36 Gemini/Sagittarius
oppose/conjunct Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius
(adds to the theme of my Skepticus conjunct Neptune in the regular chart and Right Ascension)

Heliocentric Randi Nodes in 14'47 Libra/Aries
conjunct/oppose Uranus in 15'17 Libra

Heliocentric Sagan Nodes in 1'17 Gemini/Sagittarius
oppose/conjunct Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius

It's very interesting that the heliocentric Sagan Nodes conjunct the heliocentric Skepticus Nodes. heliocentric nodes move up to 1 degree per
century. This is like saying that Carl Sagan is synonymous with skepticism.

I didn't list any geocentric nodes because I had no aspects to planets in my chart within 1 degree

Raymond

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posted January 10, 2010 02:10 PM         

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What's your view about James Randi? He is the illusionist that followed in the footsteps of Harry Houdini as not only an illusionist, but he is also a debunker of paranormal frauds. His most famous one, Uri Geller. He has repeated the same tricks that Uri Geller did too. He had a show that had paranormal types.

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My feeling is also that he does a lot of good. Liars trick the mind and imprison one's consciousness.

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Add the personal angles to your collection. So you can have your Eros/Psyche connection as long as you have each others angles connecting as well...so like I mentioned in the other thread ..example Ascendants conjunct or trine - same degree.
When you have exact birth time check all angles even Vertex and check Part of Fortune too!
You see, the planetary and asteroid connections are paramount of course but the angles (and the parts) are personal to YOU and HER or HIM so I think the angles are a very important refining measure

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I totally agree with you. What about the North and South Nodes of the Moon?

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What I mean by my first post is that we indeed are all in the "same" reality, physically atleast but we all precieve reality differently, so there is no right or wrong here.

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Again, "Perception Is Not Reality, It Is One's Interpretation Of Reality" so when two people argue over there perceptions of reality, as if it was actual reality, all you have are people arguing opinions as if they were facts. There will be no resolution in that because neither belief is based on the truth, but instead, on what one feels to be true. Who cares about that if the objective is to gain the TRUTH? Opinions are meaningless unless they have some basis in fact and can be shown to be true in some way.

I never said I don't believe Lara or PA or anyone else, I only ask them for some objective proof, but as soon as I do, they tell me that they don't need to prove anything to me. Once they say that, I tell them I don't believe them. In fact, I don't even believe that they believe it themselves deep down and that's why they become so defensive and angry. The Devil hates the light and Liars hate the truth so if they hate me... GOOD! It means I'm doing the right thing by exposing B.S. for all truth seekers to see. I enjoy it!!!

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It's reality. It's just not your reality.

In truth, my truth, that is my reality. Do I need to prove that to you? No. Why? Because it doesn't matter what "evidence" I give you, it won't be enough.

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I already told her that if the evidence is truthful it would be enough, but she is still just saying the same old thing so she can continue to hide in the darkness.

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Right. I saw one when I was small, but do I remember what it looked like? Nope. I was stunned when I saw it, and pointed out the "beautiful angel" to my mother. It really caught me off guard (Mum couldn't see anything there, and neither could her friend).

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posted January 10, 2010 02:47 PM         

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There is no proof for feelings.

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But of course there are reasons to attach a philosophical meaning to certain feelings, like saying: this feeling leads me to believe we are soulmates and so on.

For me when I have the feeling that someone is a soulmate of mine, there are several "reasons":

1. the feeling touches me deep to the core, which also includes some kind of inner transformation

2. there are external synchronicities, that fit my inner feelings or "intuitions" about this certain someone. Some sort of telepathy, like you mentioned yourself.

3. if it is love, I feel this kind of "overflow", that for some reason spreads out to the outer world, too. It is like in loving him, I love the whole world.

Does all of this qualify as a "proof", that he is my soulmate?
No. Of course not. There is no objective proof for it.
There is not even an objective proof that soulmates or twinflames really do exist.

All there is is our belief; our interpretation of what we experience.
That`s all there is. And it`s enough.

I agree very much with what PA said; we all have our own perceptions, and what is true to me (in a subjective sense), doesn`t have to be true for you (in a subjective sense).

I donīt believe there is objective truth when it comes to feelings.

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Not sure we can really know why we feel the way we do.

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Cause = Someone slaps you in the face. Effect = You feel emotional distress and physical pain.

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But of course there are reasons to attach a philosophical meaning to certain feelings, like saying: this feeling leads me to believe we are soulmates and so on.

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No! You have changed the feeling into the Cause for your belief. That wasn't what I was asking. I want to know the Cause for the feeling. Right here you are being evasive!

What is the Cause for what you Feel?

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1. the feeling touches me deep to the core, which also includes some kind of inner transformation

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Again, this is what the feeling Causes, but not what Causes the Feeling.

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2. there are external synchronicities, that fit my inner feelings or "intuitions" about this certain someone. Some sort of telepathy, like you mentioned yourself.

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What do you mean by "Fit your inner feelings"? Again, what Caused you to feel the Feelings in the first place?

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3. if it is love, I feel this kind of "overflow", that for some reason spreads out to the outer world, too. It is like in loving him, I love the whole world.

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In loving him, you love the whole world? What does this mean? if you feel and overflow that spreads out (For Some Reason) without knowing the reason you still avoid revealing the Cause.

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Does all of this qualify as a "proof", that he is my soulmate?

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That wasn't may question. Above you were being completely vague and now here, again, you are being evasive.

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There is no objective proof for it.
There is not even an objective proof that soulmates or twinflames really do exist.

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That's what I am attempting to discover with these threads, but when you do what you do, with your vague and evasive posts, you work to prevent me from doing just that.

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All there is is our belief; our interpretation of what we experience.

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That's an assumption. There is more to life than what we believe... There is The Truth! If we perceive things correctly as we experience them, then we can know the truth and our beliefs are sound. If we perceive things erroneously, then we will never know the truth and our beliefs are flawed. This would be a grave disservice to enlightenment and the elevation of consciousness. How else could you reach these higher dimensions that so many of you claim to be reaching already? I think Lara says she is quickly moving into the 5th dimension LMAO! Some of these post make me wonder if a few of you have even entered into the 1st dimension.

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That`s all there is. And it`s enough.

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Nonsense! You can't make up these false principles and philosophies in order to justify not knowing. If you don't know something it appears you convince yourself that it can't be known in order to feel comfortable in the blindness of your own ignorance. (No offense) I didn't mean that as an insult, I meant that as an assessment. This sort of belief is counterproductive to enlightenment. All things can be known in time, with the truth.

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I agree very much with what PA said; we all have our own perceptions, and what is true to me (in a subjective sense), doesn`t have to be true for you (in a subjective sense).

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You can agree all you'd like; consensus doesn't make it right. Clearly, your allegiance is to the group and not to the truth. The subjective view alone is merely your opinion, but you attempt to elevate it in importance by labeling it "Your Truth." There is only "The Truth" and you have "Your Opinion", that's all. In a court of law they don't ask you to swear to tell your whole truth with your hand on the Bible, they want The Whole Truth because your truth is irrelevant.

You may have your version, which may be partly true, based on your perception, but to claim that you have Your Own Truth, independent of The Truth, is an indication that you may be out of touch with reality, which discredits your entire belief system as a whole.

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I donīt believe there is objective truth when it comes to feelings.

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It doesn't matter what you believe, especially when you can't, or refuse, to tell me why you believe it. Remember, my question was Why do you feel what you feel? I already know why you believe what you believe. Your feelings made you believe what you believe, but I wanna know why you feel what you felt!

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What changes or influences me, is real. So my feelings are very real to me.

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