posted February 17, 2017 07:34 AM            

I give the meanings of my book "material plane"

Coffin: end of contra, end of a job, loss of job, unemployed ...

Bear: a better life, more comfortable, improved financially, saving, promotion, contract ...

Man: a man, a contract, card that announces a beginning by a contract, a mail, visit, encounter. Be supported by an important man, benevolent under his elegant airs ...

Coffin / Man: Man who has lost his job and who can benefit from a more comfortable life with a new contract

Or for the businessman:

Make savings by hiring (contract) a man who is unemployed

So I say a big YES !!!!!!

What about my reading for you about last night, does it make sens a little ?

posted February 17, 2017 07:57 AM            

I drew Man and Fish.
For Man, timing is July, subject to indifference
For Fish, timing is January, subject to circulation or flow

So going by these, I'd say in 6 months to a year from now.

But I would say, this is subject to other influences. Maybe can try again later to see if message is consistent.

For tarot, I use the Thoth deck.

posted February 17, 2017 08:16 AM            

Rider child, summary - message about a new start
central card, sun -
tree crossroad, nature of topic - life changing decision
Crossroad child, outcome - decision brings new beginning

I guess it depends on how the decision is life-changing, hopefully not health related but it seems interesting to me.

flowers / birds / rider / heart / woman

flowers woman - lovely lady
the central card - rider, bringing a message
nature of topic is birds heart - talks about love
outcome heart woman - loving kind woman

I initially thought it was communicating a nice message but I guess that's not correct. I'm not sure what to make of it. But it seems very nice. At least it wasn't like a bad thing happening.

posted February 17, 2017 08:19 AM            

Where are you looking for the timing interpretation leno ?

Ok I just take a look on thoth Deck, it's interesting... you have astrological sign and another little "sigle" oppostite to astrological sign, but i can't see what it in, planet ruler ?
I have the "legacy of divine" he is great too.

For your timing i could give you a feedback
how do you find "subject of indifference" and "subject circulation or flow" ?
what is the meanning of "subject of indifference ?"

posted February 17, 2017 08:29 AM            

There are several different methods. For picking a season (Spring summer autumn winter) she uses cards bouquet sun scythe lily respectively. There is also a card for every month, cards for time of the day, and also general pace. Re general pace, scythe would be sudden, clover birds would be immediate or now, bear anchor snake dog would be very slow.

And I'm sorry I don't really understand the 'subject to indifference' either. She says that it's subject to an influence that hasn't shown up yet.

There is another technique that she uses. Should I try it? Basically it's shuffle the deck, count the pips and then count down by that number in the unused cards to find a third card and then read its timing definition. I might go try that one

For every card there is a range of time, near and far. So for man the near value is 'July' and the far value is 'subject to indifference' which means that I guess, it could be later than July if the two people involved are busy with other things (I guess). I'm not sure.

EDIT: Ok so I just did the other technique in the book. I shuffled very thoroughly, then picked the top and bottom cards bear (10 of clubs) and house (King of hearts). Counted pips 10 and 13 (13 is for king) and counted to the 23rd card which is child. For child in the summary table it says August for near and for far it says 'little likelihood' which is a bit of a worry. However August falls in the range I gave before, so it seems consistent.

EDIT: from what I read, timings for events more than a year away is not accurate. In general, timing is hard to predict, even for the experienced readers.

posted February 17, 2017 09:06 AM            

is it on your book : Caitlin Matthews Complete Lenormand Oracle Handbook or Rana George ?

Thank you so for the second timing, yes it seems consistent and i remember that one reader talk about July/august too...

posted February 17, 2017 11:46 AM            

I'll be there late tomorrow

posted February 18, 2017 11:27 AM            

You can leave some question too !
I want to try timing with leno now if are interesting but with a question not too late in the time for having a feedback. It's a little bit difficult but i like trying.

You can make one of the questions i leave here in a last post on the other page i think page 7... (ideal man for me or what change since 1 year (post of 5h46 p7)

posted February 18, 2017 09:21 PM            

I'd like to see how you answer this exercise.

posted February 18, 2017 11:01 PM            

I asked about the ideal man for you? I hope that is what you mean.. but I have to say, pulling 3 cards surely wasn't easy lol same if I pulled 5.

Anchor - Crossroad - Coffin

I had a feeling that these cards are saying that you want a man to stay in your life and not leave you? Or somehow to not split up?

Let me start off with each card.

Anchor means stability, commitment, and it means feeling stuck.

Crossroad is more on the "choosing a route", making a decision, and feeling indecisive.

And finally, coffin means an ending, and a big change.

When I try to go in detail, I see committment, you want that in man.. but I also see being indecisive and making a decision on ending something?

posted February 19, 2017 07:22 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by ILovePoems:
Oh are you asking what do I see with the cards you pulled for him?

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Yes, would you advise that he be hired or not? (the businessman is asking you)

posted February 19, 2017 07:43 AM            

@ILP

Thank for your spread
I feel you have pulled my current situation LOL ...

Anchor in my book is about making the right choice and not having several partners at a time or not running multiple partners at once.
So I guess it would be like meeting someone who is able to get involved in a real relationship and feel that he made the right choice with me.

Crossroad: Who would not be a platonic love? In capacity to make choices?

Coffin: who would not let me down?

Or, another option, just find the one I am far from because it represents for me the ideal man and in this case this reading that speaks of a strong bond that took different routes and brought the separation could speak of the person Concerned by this senario with me
thank you so dear.
Can you leave us a know question about you, as you like ?

@Magikaal
Have you see my answer to the excercice ?
I stay here if you need. Just a reading to make now and i come back if you leave me something here

posted February 19, 2017 09:03 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Magikaal:
Yes, would you advise that he be hired or not? (the businessman is asking you)

This is an exercise and you were pulling the cards, not me

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I'm still try to figure the question. Are you asking will he be hired or you're asking will he hire someone? I was confused lol
Either way I'm thinking you're asking will he hire someone.

Coffin + bear.. it indicates a change in someone's financial area.

Bear + man indicates someone that is in charge? Like a boss.. now bear can mean a boss and man can mean another male person so that is two men.

I see that if he does hire someone something will change either regarding someone finances to some man. Maybe it will help someone financially.

posted February 19, 2017 09:09 AM            

Yep we are great here !! I find the same answer as you :

"A man asks if he can hire a job seeker:

I give the meanings of my book "material plane"

Coffin: end of contra, end of a job, loss of job, unemployed ...

Bear: a better life, more comfortable, improved financially, saving, promotion, contract ...

Man: a man, a contract, card that announces a beginning by a contract, a mail, visit, encounter. Be supported by an important man, benevolent under his elegant airs ...

Coffin / Man: Man who has lost his job and who can benefit from a more comfortable life with a new contract

Or for the businessman:

Make savings by hiring (contract) a man who is unemployed

So I say a big YES !!!!!!

What about my reading for you about last night, does it make sens a little ?"

posted February 19, 2017 06:46 PM            

Thanks for answering the question. Please see the link and let me know what you think (it's about halfway down the page with a picture of the spread). Because I'm trying to understand it myself. There are 3 approaches, original traditional, modern traditional and intuitive.

To clarify the question, the business man is asking if he should hire a particular job applicant (who presumably has applied for a job with this business man). The cards answered: Coffin - Bear - Man.

http://globalspiritualstudies.com/the-traditional-method-of-reading-lenormand- with-mary-k-greer/

posted February 20, 2017 03:39 AM            

Well ! I am surprised by the interpretations and the contamination of coffin while it is in the past ... My book gave several times "contract" and the Bear went for something stable and serious ...
I am very skeptical, does not know what thought of all this ... But finally I suppose that we must accept this interpretation as correct ...
And how did you think the interpretation ?

For my question, take your time i'll give you my feedback

@ILP
Yes give us your question please !!

I post some question on the forum : "Through the looking glass" about rituals of reading... if you want to help me, it's fine. I don't know if you take a look on this forum sometimes, but it can be great...

posted February 20, 2017 04:39 AM            

I was initially surprised by it as my first instinct was that it meant the misfortune was changing. However according to my book, the first card is the noun and the next two cards are adjectives or in the case of man/woman, it would be the person asking the question.

So in that case, the coffin is the noun, meaning an end, misfortune.

Bear is adjective, meaning powerful, big.

So it's a big misfortune, to put it simply. In the context of this question, it seems like a loss of power/stability, so maybe it means that the applicant wants power and is overbearing. That seems like the sensible conclusion to me.

If man is referring to the person asking the question, then it means that it's a big misfortune for him.

I did not stop to think about the answer when I first read it so I'm not sure what I would have put.

Also I was thinking, if it's a good applicant, then we would expect a good card to come up, since there are many good cards in the deck. But it was one of the bad cards.

I am realising that Lenormand is a different system to the tarot so it's hard and I'm a little discouraged. I'm actually looking forward to practicing with my tarot because I ordered a new (larger) tarot deck. I want to get into the symbolism more deeply. So I'm relegating Lenormand to the sidelines. But it's good to practice so I think I'd better.

posted February 20, 2017 05:48 AM            

But I do have to say, sometimes coffin can mean bad things, but also I see coffin can sometimes mean a big change.. a change that can also get better. But for some reason i read the spread in a positive way (but my gut feeling was kinda telling me to read it as a no) With lenormand you can read it in so many ways that it's hard to tell which intrepetation is right. Lol I like Lenormand because it can be straight forward and be literal at times and it's right there in front of you 😂