posted August 25, 2006 07:50 PM            

Yes! I did indeed mention banning and racism in the same sentence.

posted August 16, 2006 06:15 PM
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Pid, what`s his face, Carlo? that had us walking this path of lunacy before. And he was banned for his blatant rascism, right?
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I will put my size five foot on any racist comment. You were not involved w/the individual so you do NOT know what occured. Thats WHY it was addressed to Piduau.

I requested HIS banning & I stand by it.

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posted August 25, 2006 07:51 PM            

I've already posted that those who have been accused of racism here have made it quite clear that they are only referencing terrorists who hide behind the Muslim faith. If you can name and show people here who have not even once made that disctinction I'd be very surprised to see it.

Look, I don't have anything personal against you, DayDreamer. And I know you don't want sympathy and that's fine. But I can understand where you are coming from. When someone posts something about Cuba in GU that suggests it is not communist or bad, it gets me heated. I know I take it personally because my father is Cuban and I know that the lies that come out of Cuba through the accepted channels are just that ... lies. However, regardless of how much it upsets me and even hurts me when people make ignorant comments that go something like, "Cuba is not so bad" or "Cubans do look happy in those pictures" or "Cuba is not a communist country, it's socialist" or "Fidel can't be all bad", etc. I choose to pull myself away from the personal feelings I have before I respond. I try not to look at the situation as someone they are talking about. Yes, my posts on those issues are generally more heated but you have no idea how much I hold back.

Why?

Why do I hold back?

Because I know the people that write stuff like that are not bad people. I know that (with the exception of VL from the way her posts are written) they are not trying to hurt ME. I know that they have differing opinions about things and that, even if I know they don't know what they're talking about, they have every right to have their own opinions and share them even if I do take offense to those opinions. But I would never try to deny them the right to have those opinions or to share them just because I sometimes take them personally even when they are not intended as such.

How would you suggest people phrase their posts when they are sharing their opinion that some laws in some Arab or Islamic countries need reworking? Or how should we phrase our posts in regards to terrorists who happen to be Muslims so that we are not immediately jumped on for being "racists" or bigots?
And are you willing to write posts here according to every other person's standards so that they don't misinterpret your words and jump on you for being a racist when you know you are not? Frankly, that seems impossible to me. There is always going to be someone who will take things personally, no matter how nicely and diplomatically you try to phrase things.

Or would you prefer that everyone you deem a racist change their signature to something like, "Before someone calls me a racist or a bigot, when I talk about Muslim terrorists I am not suggesting that all Muslims are terrorists"?

It seems like pidaua already did something like that and she is still getting this nonsense tossed at her feet.

But if that's what you want, then list us names DayDreamer. This referencing "racists" without being clear as to whom you are speaking about is getting old. Who exactly do you feel has attacked you here in a racist manner? Call them out by name and let's present all the facts on the table so we can hopefully get this resolved and move beyond this.

posted August 25, 2006 07:54 PM              

Eleanore,

I don't want sympathy. I want justice. I want to be treated with some human dignity and respect.

That's all I ask for. It's very simple.

edit...I wont be replying to anymore (for now?) Ive got to leave.

posted August 25, 2006 07:55 PM            

But again, I think it's pertinent to state here that nobody was actually debating religion over in GU.

There was no debate regarding the pros or cons of any religious dogma or values, there were no value judgements as to any religion being good or bad. Merely a recognition of a fringe element, a recognition I might add that was applied equally to Christianity.

posted August 25, 2006 07:57 PM              

I know from experience that there can be a herd mentality (I've said it before and I'll say it again) when they decide to gang up on someone....(that is why I got the hell out of GU)...That place can actually be damaging to your physical and mental health if you continue to allow them to tear away at your very heart and soul....*sigh*....

My advice to you:

ESCAPE! ESCAPE! ESCAPE!

(while you've still got some part of yourself to escape with)

I know you're not a terrorist or all the other nasty things you've been called. I will stand by you always....

You're a good and decent person, DayDreamer....and have a right to your beliefs....just as I do mine....and THEY do THEIRS!!!

posted August 25, 2006 08:01 PM              

A few days ago, in a supermarket, I saw a white man with a Middle Eastern wife and their daughter. Both the mom and young girl were in traditional Muslim attire. The man too. An older woman walking past gave them a look. You know the look I mean. Just a silly woman from an older generation not used to different looking folks, I suppose, but I shot her my best scorpio-type, evil, disapproving look just the same. But what I really wanted to do was walk over to the Muslim family and shake the man's hands and give the kid a hug and tell them not to worry, tell them that not everyone's like that.

salaam
tink

posted August 25, 2006 08:54 PM              

I don't want sympathy. I want justice. I want to be treated with some human dignity and respect.

That's all I ask for. It's very simple.

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posted August 25, 2006 09:14 PM            

But I think it should be made clear that if there is any "ganging" up in GU it is never one-sided. The overwhelming majority of people that post at GU are in some way or another anti-this-war, anti-all-wars, anti-Pres. Bush and/or lean towards democratic beliefs or toward the left. I can count on my hand the number of people that are on the opposite side of the spectrum at GU. So how is it that such a small number of people are supposed to be the only ones that ever "gang up" on the majority over there? It's just illogical to try to portray things that way. I address this to you because (1) you it brought it up here,(2) you are on the side of the majority over there and (3) you recently took a break from GU for, partly, those reasons.

I just think it's very strange and sad that anyone with an even remotely conservative bent at GU is automatically villianized as some sort of evil, mind controlled attacker. And when someone on the other sides loses their temper and exhibits the exact same behavior that they complain about regularly it's glossed over as "OK" because they were just "retaliating" or "defending" themselves. I've been here quite a while as I'm sure you have. I remember when GU was just one big Bush bash fest. But then some of the conservatives decided to brave that front and dare to post opposing material. All of a sudden, the left became the victims and the right became the antagonizers. And to this day, anyone who dares express conservative opinions in GU is tossed in the mix with the mind-controlled, the sheeple, the baby-killers, the unenlightened or unspiritual, yada yada, and now the new fad, the racists. Very sad, indeed.

I'm an independent. I agree with both sides and I disagree with both sides. I can't say it's made me many friends here but it has given me a sense of clarity on a lot of the stuff that goes on in GU.

And I simply can't stand watching one side of the story being presented as the only truth.

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DayDreamer
I thought I made it pretty clear that I wasn't giving you any sympathy.
You don't have to respond or reply to any posts here. I know that, you know that and everyone else here knows that, too.
However, it seems to me from the many threads at GU I've read, that you hardly ever respond to questions posed to you in a logical and reasonable manner ... and if you do, you hardly ever answer the questions that were asked but resort to repeating the same thing over and over.
If you, or anyone else, can't or won't answer simple, logical questions about you being "attacked by a bunch of racists" then I'm afraid I can't believe you or give much credence to your argument.
I don't see where you've been treated as less than a human or without respect or dignity, either.

For the record, though, if you do choose to come back here and answer any questions, it would be nice if you answered this one at least ...

Since you want people here banned on the grounds that you "feel" attacked based on your race and/or religion but you won't give any logical and clear support or basis for your feelings ... do you think the people who made very clear disparaging comments about other religions, namely Christianity, in that thread that was mentioned earlier, should be banned as well? Here's the thread, btw. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009897.html

I ask because you continue to complain about a "double standard" here at LL and I know that after making such an issue about that you wouldn't dream of expressing the same double-standard ... so what are the names of all the people you want banned that have trash-talked other people's religious beliefs here?

posted August 25, 2006 10:11 PM              

Very accurate analysis of GU, Eleanore. Sucks being a rational, moderate independent, doesn't it?

posted August 25, 2006 10:50 PM            

There is NO double standard; we all take hits when we make a stand on a public forum.I rarely take a stand for specific people (or against) But this case is an exception by the ugly accusations minus an honest historical background of the alleged offenses.

L Moon has a right to strew her snipets of posts around; be wise enough to exert your right to factual content and context before assuming L Moon has done her homework.

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posted August 25, 2006 10:59 PM              

I personally don't care if people want to demonize Islam. I don't care what people say about Muslims. Im protected under Canadian Law.

But the problem I have is that there is an agenda behind this.

When only the worst of the worst represent the religion on the media, or the internet that helps make these wars alright.

By labelling Arabs, Muslims, everyone in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon, Palestine, as the bad, evil guys, the one's that follow a "backwards religion", the terrorists, then it seems to make all these wars and all the hundreds of thousands of violent deaths of Muslims (who have been demonized) justified.

There is no distinction of whose lives are taken or ruined. Everyone in those countries lives are at stake.

This is inhumane.

These murders can never be justified.

These wars are illegal. The people of those countries never attacked you, they never invited you over.

Most of the people that have been killed are not terrorists. But it doesnt seem like people seem to care.

It seems like people are more concerned about what the problem with Islam is. And soem people are seriously crazy in thinking things will be solve by violence.

This is not helping the "West" or the Muslim nations. This attitude, this agenda, this war is only creating more animosity in the world.

posted August 25, 2006 11:03 PM            

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posted August 25, 2006 11:06 PM              

But Ive read stuff from people who are in complete favour of bombing the hell out of those countries.

How do people support these wars??

posted August 25, 2006 11:47 PM              

Okey Dokey then.

posted August 25, 2006 11:52 PM              

And that mentality is not the mentality of the Muslims of the coutries the "Western" governments are destroying.