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pidaua
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posted November 15, 2006 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And for the record sue- I abstained making comments to Rainbow for months- but I will not sit back and have her little friend Mirandee accuse me of lying and then threaten to kick my a$$ while Rainbow cheers her on and starts in on me.

The difference it I accept what I have done - the other two twits just keep pretending they are victims.

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posted November 15, 2006 01:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's very True, Pidaua

at least you admit your offenses...

they can't even see how blind and one-sided they can BE. ...

the first step..is to look at OneSelf and Fix things within US..then Only, can we truly help others... .

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pidaua
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posted November 15, 2006 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you lotus I know you have had to bear the brunt of people like Rainbow and Mirandee. Hell, the same people attack myself, jwhop, Isis, Lioneye, you and Bear on a regular basis.

They continue to antagonize, make unfounded allegations, then when they have successfully poked the sleeping lion into anger, they cry pitifully that they're innocent and the mean lion just tore their throats out for no reason.

These are the same ugly women that frequently a play ground, taunting the boys and girls, tattle-telling until finally someone stands up to them and pops them in the mouth. They are the first people to run to the principle.. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, I got punched in the mouth. "what did you do Mirandee?" "Nothing... I just called them liars, neo-cons, accused them of altering documents, told them I would b1tch-slap them- then we they told me to go pound sand, I brought my friends into it. They started poking them, calling them names and threatening them... and finally, one of them hit me in the mouth.. Booooo hooooo"


That is called rough justice. You keep provoking a person- they will finally have enough.


Mirandee,

I challenge you once again to prove I altered that post. I have asked you before and I will ask you again since YOU are the one making the allegation. E-mail Randall, ask him if I edited that post in any way, shape or form. If you do not e-mail him, I will consider that an admission that you lied. If you do e-mail him, I will expect that he will post the details here to prove who is telling the truth once and for all.

Until that time, I will continue to understand that every word out of your mouth is a lie.

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posted November 15, 2006 01:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pid

Maybe you can try ignoring any negative comments thrown yer way....and see how it goes?

Just a suggestion girl.....for peace......

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pidaua
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posted November 15, 2006 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Sue....

Would you ignore this:

Rainbow~
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posted November 15, 2006 02:07 AM
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I doubt PId will ever have kids, Mirandee.....I think Mother Nature intended it that way.....

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Nevermind about the real women out, some of which are my friends, that cannot have children. Let's talk about first threatening me, cheering the person on that threatened me, then making a comment about the fact that I don't have children as though that somehow makes me less and MOTHER NATURE had something to do with it.

How about the many children that are born to ALCOHOLIC and ABUSIVE mother's and father's? Did Mother Nature think THAT was okay?


This is the sh1t I deal with from both of them and until people like you correct them as you correct me, the the words are just hollow.

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posted November 15, 2006 01:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are welcome, Pidaua

Logic and common sense will always prevail!
No Worries!

perhaps, we should not feed them..any energy?

I am beginning to think, it's a waste of time..
Only they can change, if they want to. ...

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pidaua
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posted November 15, 2006 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are absolutely right- they are already in the toilet, why should I swim with them?

LOL...

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posted November 15, 2006 02:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed..let's go UPStream. ...

Til Later..off to work!

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posted November 15, 2006 02:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would walk away from such comments.....I would also walk away from some of the things you have posted too Pid.....

Not taking sides here girl....to me all parties have acted just as badly as the other at times.

You have shown me respect and have shown me kindness too...I dont forget that....

But I would have more respect for anyone who has the courage to walk away from abusive behaviour...

You included....

To take sides isnt always the way to a peaceful soulution...

As my mother used to say "faults on all sides"....

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pidaua
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posted November 15, 2006 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree Sue- but I also think that others need to do the same as far as admonishing people equally. It is not always MY fault and yes, I have admitted some of my posts have crossed the line.

I laid down my arms and let numerous comments go from both Mirandee AND Rainbow. I sat back as the latter started a thread just to blast me when it was already decided to stop the warfare.

I definitely will not back down when someone keeps calling me a liar without a shred of proof.

I think even the most patient person finally get's p1ssed off when having to deal with half of what I have put up with from Rainbow. She has mentioned my abusive ex and made comments that I deserved it, she has made reference to me being a wh0re because I made a joke about my ex being well endowed and this is NOT the first time she has referenced me not having kids as being God's way or mother natures way of taking care of business.


Again, if people want to admonish me- then they have to start carrying out their admonishments on everyone - not just who they don't like (and I am not directly that at you Sue).

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Those things said to you, I found to be very hurtful and unnecessary....... but the "other side" could say that they were in response to equally hurtful comments you made to them...

Sorry, is my loaded 7th house showing?

Seriously though, I gasped when I read the thing about you not being able to have kids....

That was totally beneath the belt and made me gasp a little!

I think though, you hurt the other person as badly with yer comments too her Pid...

Do you see what I mean.....it could go on and on and on and on ad infinitum..

Where does it all end.....with the person who can sting the most?

Why dont you guys just stay away from each other and accept that you may never be able to communicate in a civil way...

Look at the energy ye are spending on negative words and all that stuff hurts, and goes in deep at some level, negativity breeds negativity...

Can I offer to send some.... and for ye....?

Or am I wasting my time....?

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Azalaksh
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posted November 15, 2006 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No Zala - but your core group came out in her support now didn't you.
Maybe you should cast some of your sterness and self-righteous behaviour at them instead of concentrating on me.
Need I remind you of the time I stood up for you and got Divine Goddess banned because of her racist remarks? And don't assume that I haven't "cast some of my sternness and self-righteous behavior at them".....

Edit: I'd forgotten -- it was Leyla. DG basically got herself banned.

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posted November 15, 2006 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Jwhop,
Let's stop with the irony and falsehood. You've never offered discussion in place of emotionally charged partisan bickering. The number of people in disagreement with you whom you offer grace to can be counted on one hand.

Your gestures for "discussion" are just gestures. You've never displayed in action your willingness to discuss things in a non-emotional, non-partisan way ever, and you don't start threads that aren't expressly designed to deliver you exactly the type of partisan bickering you revel in. I don't think anyone appreciates your lip service to civility you'd never engage in....acoustic


Let's put both your lies to rest acoustic; the one you stated overtly and the one you alluded to but didn't express.

First, at least 4 times...over time..on this forum I've pushed for real discussion of issues and not the inflammatory rhetoric which became the norm some time back. I made a point of collecting some of those posts which were highly inflammatory, libelous and added nothing to any discussion...except for some to vent their rage. I have no intention of going back and finding them but they are there.

This puts the lie to the rest of your BS...and these are only a sample of how it was before the advent of those who cannot contain their rage and enter into reasonable discussion, state their positions and be prepared to defend them.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000137.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000178.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000165-2.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000169-3.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000135-2.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000166-2.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000174-2.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000170.html

There is a general tendency here...among some to believe they should be able to say anything here while limiting the speech of others in response. Nothing new in that. We've been through at least 3 previous cycles of people wanting to have their say while denying others theirs.

It's not lost on me that there are also those here who come to the defense of those who engage in Bush bashing, all heat, no truth, maximum irrationality and absolutely nothing to discuss...because they agree with them politically.

How does one have a reasonable discussion with anyone when their comment/topic is...Bush is Satan? Bush is the Antichrist? Bush is a liar and a thief?

So, as far as I'm concerned there should be no whining when these peeps are targeted, bracketed, categorized and fired on. They dialed up the music here and some of us can sing in the same key. If they don't like it, change the tune.


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pidaua
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posted November 15, 2006 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zala,

You stood up against racism and it wasn't Divine Goddess it was LeyLaFey. I have never really had an exchange with DG, but I did hear there was a battle. You also stood up for all the people on this website that have any American Indian blood in them- not just me, although I do appreciate it.


What I am asking is that it has to be fair. If it is alright for someone to threaten me, then it has to be alright for me to make a play on words about the geriatric duo.

I never once made mention about Rainbow's ailments nor have I ever made mention to sensitive information concerning either of them that I personally know about from other threads. Yet, Rainbow continues to bring up old things that we agreed we would stop bringing up.

If you go through the threads I ABSOLUTELY stopped calling her an old hag. How did she respond when I told her I would no longer be a part of it?

She constantly baits me and this thread is proof along with her little buddy Mirandee..

But in case this thread itself isn't good enough- how about the one below. She started a fight and even went so far as to try and recruit newbie Neptune into it- but she wasn't so gullible as to believe Rainbow:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/002793-2.html

Yep... and she is the one that brought up the "old hag" thing in reference to me.

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posted October 11, 2006 10:09 PM
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your true and ugly nature is surfacing, Pid...

LMAO..... she goes on to bring up my ex-fiances "member" AGAIN...

"And yes Pid...I was homecoming queen,and it was necessary to mention it, to offset any notions you continue to present to anyone (who is foolish enough to believe you), that I have to come here "to get attention."

and you try to tell me in your authorative "Barney fife stye" that we don't discuss Homecoming Queens on "spiritual" websites....

....Well tell me Pid, did you consider this a "spritual website" when you were discussing your man's beer can sized penis?

don't get on your high horse with me...."

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This was without provocation. She didn't like what I had to say - yet I had not lowered myself to calling her any names.

How did I respond to her?

"pidaua
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posted October 13, 2006 12:38 PM
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I don't know what is creepier Rainbow, your pathologic need for attention combined with your self absorbed attitude and compulsion to constantly equate "success" with being a teenage HQ or having, at one time in your life, been asked to give out your autograph.
OR...


The fact that you keep bringing up the size of a male organ belonging to someone you have never met. You are obsessed with the "beer can" comment, which was MADE more than TWO YEARS ago in jest. LMAO I don't know what compels you to focus in on my ex's member, but that type of fixation usually stems from a psychological need on your behalf. I would venture to say, that at your age, it will hard for you to get past that behaviour, but it is creepy that you have chosen one of MY exes to obsess over when you are like my... .arch enemy.

OR...

that you referred to my ex as "your man" meaning as though I am still with him.. I'd no sooner bob for apples in a bucket of vomit that be with that man again.. YET... it makes me think that along with your obsession- you think you can hurt Bear by bringing up an ex... then again, I guess if Bear came up short in that department it would hurt him... but no worries there Rainbow, but for the sake of you stalking him and his member I'll leave the description about his penis to the imagination. You can look it up on www.youaintnevergonnagetit.com though LMAO....


Actually the combination of all three potentials really creeps me out LOL...."


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That was my second to the last post to her. She had made a reference to her being asked for her autograph and how important that made her. I made a flippant remark that people asked for Jeffery Dahlmers autograph and that didn't mean he was important...

Oh wait it gets better- how about her support for the Anti-semite Joe Cortina..
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/002772.html

She said this about him

"Rainbow~
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posted September 29, 2006 02:30 AM
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Day Dreamer.....he seems to be confusing "the Jews" with the New World Order People.....
.....or maybe he thinks they are one and the same...

Gotta admit he sounds pretty radical - at least in the article above....

As of now, I can't say I know exactly where he's coming from....(I thought I did from something of his, on another thread which I read before this)

Whatever he's trying to say, he needs to tone it down a little.....at least regarding the Jewish people...

Coming on so god-awful strong like that will certainly not win him more "Jew Haters" if that's what he's looking for....eeeeeeee

Must say I am curious as to why he is so bitter.....

(He had george bush down to a "T" I couldn't help but notice..so he's got something right!)"

To which someone answered

"mysticaldream
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posted September 29, 2006 07:43 AM
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Woah.....Rainbow???
He just needs to tone it down a little bit?
Are you serious?
Even if he toned down his radical language, he would still be coming from a place of total hatred.
This guy is a nut job.
He is a foaming-at-the-mouth racist.
The things he says have no logic to them.
Of course, America has changed since the 50s (I, for one, say thank God)..... society has changed and progressed.....all of western society has seen changes, not just America. I am sorry but I do not buy the "logic" that all ills of society are due to the influence of the big, bad, evil "Jews". No wonder his son is suicidal; listening to his nut-job father, I probably would be, too. We don't need to post any more of this guys rhetoric; it should stay buried in the deep, dark sewer of life -- where it belongs. "


Another one of her praises for a total racist;

"It looks to me as though Mr. Cortina has some pretty impressive "credentials" and has had quite a few years of experiences to validate some of the stuff of which he speaks....so while it is easy enough to call him an anti-semite (which he most probably is) - one should not be so quick to consider that it is not be without (what he considers) good reason.

It looks to me as though his "dislike" for Israelis is attributed to some of the things he actually experienced and saw with his own eyes, rather than him being just some guy who "hates the Jews" for the fun of it!

He has a lot of bitterness to be sure....but much of it appears to be for a lot of "covering up" that's going on, among many other things...

I'm glad that he's still able to ventilate...."

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When I called her on it.. she once again started with the hag comments....

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posted September 29, 2006 02:33 PM
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Not that you noticed, SISTAH!
(and you certainly know what I mean by THAT seeings how we're in the SAME club - in fact, I think you were the organizer)......
....but I explained to Day Dreamer in my post to her that when I posted what you just posted above, (which you are no doubt displaying, hoping to ''belittle" me in your typically Pid fashion.....)

.....when I posted that - I HAD NOT YET SEEN HIS HATRED POST ABOUT THE JEWS (which you went digging for to try and put me down!)

I feel no further explanations are necessary.


I KNOW WHAT I DID, AND WHEN I DID IT......

SO POST ALL YOU WANT WITH YOUR 'EVIDENCE' THAT RAINBOW IS A 'JEW HATER!" You're really stretching it, woman!

You're still the trouble maker, I see....so much for wanting peace around here....ha. Big joke!
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/002772.html

Her "Hag" attack goes on for some time. I spent most of September, all of October and up until yesterday keeping away from making "old" jokes or comments.

My statement to her

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posted September 29, 2006 03:02 PM
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And the immature name-calling.. I thought we were all past that - but I find it ironic that the person that keeps using pictures and references to "clubs" to call someone names is also the person that cried about it on several threads and even started a thread to me about it.
In any case, I have not stooped to that level nor have I gotten mean-spirited with you. If posting facts and telling you that your endorsement of this sick man makes me want to vomit offends you, then that is too bad. "

Let's put things into perspective. I gave it time, not one of the people here chastizing me said ANYTHING to her during her tirades. She always says 'What is good for the goose is good for the gander" Huh? Unless you are one of her supporters right?

To be fair, I stopped the "hag" comments and name calling because I realized it caused to many problems. I put up with our 9-11 thread memorializing the victims being used to promote a few people's anti-war and pro-Muslim agenda's and Rainbow endorsing that sentiment in full. I still said nothing..

But this has gone on too far and as you can tell, Mirandee is still unable to prove her allegations.



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In the end, it really doesn't matter who started it, but rather whether any of us possess the grace, the dignity and the courage to stop it.

"Put your money where your mouth is then CG!" I hear you shout.

Absolutely. So I would like to apologise here and now for anything I've ever said which was unfair, rude, personal or intollerant of another's beliefs/ideals and I wholeheartedly forgive those who have ever done the same to me.

Now would it be possible to stop sniping and start discussing without the name calling, the threats, the accusations of lying or the intollerance?

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Oy

I think maybe next time I feel a desire to post here I'll just bang my head against the computer screen instead.

A shame as there are still a few here with whom I might enjoy carrying on a discussion.

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posted November 15, 2006 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop - I found other threads from the "old" days when it wasn't cool to start bashing on people...
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000497.html

Here is another one that could have been potentially explosive, but was discussed reasonably -
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000460-2.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000490.html http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000299.html


This one is interesting because it starts to show the de-evolution of what is our present day "b1tch-slapping". Carlo went back and deleted all of his posts. Financechick started to go ape because I voiced my opinion. Sometimes, as soon as you go against the grain there is always someone that will scream "hysterical" or as with Carlo- you start insulting the person
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000017.html

Funny... this was when the Conservatives were outnumbered.. oh wait- we still are:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000103.html

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posted November 15, 2006 05:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think maybe next time I feel a desire to post here I'll just bang my head against the computer screen instead.

I'm beginning to feel that way too!

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posted November 15, 2006 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It wouldn't be the first time people have left. If you look at some of the threads I posted and what jwhop posted, you would be lucky to recognize any names. Most of the conservatives left because we were attacked on a daily basis.

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Tink... can I bang my head against your computer screen please? Mine's shattered through over use

Edited to add: Btw... I don't know whether I congratulated you on your recent happy news! Many congrats on being a mummy! Hope motherhood's treating you well.

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posted November 15, 2006 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now what pushed people over the edge in here? How about a post like this from Rainbow in 2004 insinuating that Bush took delight in the beheading and execution of Nick Berg and equating what the terrorists did Nick to what the State of Texas did humanely to Ms. Tucker- a woman that murdered a couple with a pick ax.

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posted May 14, 2004 05:06 PM
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My son, and some other guys at work, saw the beheading video on the internet....*sigh*
He told me it was the most horrible thing he had ever seen, and that he might have night mares for a long time...

He also told me that the head was not severed with one whack, but sawed off (taking a bit more time than one stroke might have)...amidst blood curddling screams from Berg....

This is soooo sickening...so horrible...so gruesome, so ugly that it almost makes me ashamed to be a human...that other humans could be so evil...*sigh*

(tho Bush seemed to take delight in being the executioner with a record for the most executions while he reigned over the Texas Empire....I was particularly ticked when Karla Faye Tucker was murdered...*sigh*)

Rainbow

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000338-7.html

Because Isis disagreed with Rainbow- she was called the following by another well known libbie here:

raine6
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posted May 14, 2004 06:23 PM
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she would not have murdered again, and cost is not a factor. she was more than making up for her crime by the good works she had been doing in prison
the fact remains we murdered her

and you might question why this spirit of murder surrounds you, manifested in this seed:


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And it went all down hill from there....

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posted May 14, 2004 11:44 PM
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Isis.....
Yes, the article DOES say he can't do anymore than issue a stay of execution for 30 days......and it continues...

...to let the Paroles Board reconsider it's decision.

Meaning that with an extra thirty days, there's a possibility that the board might change it's mind and allow her to live...

It's interresting too, that you call it a lie that BUSH MOCKED A WOMAN HE DECIDED TO PUT TO DEATH....

True...maybe it was not for him to decide to put her to death (and I'm sure he didn't give a rat's @$$ if she lived either.....)

However, there's no denying that he Mocked her, with his stupid superior attitude...

Rainbow

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In other words, people got sick and tired of Rainbow calling Bush a murderer, blaming him for executions that he had no control over and then playing the victim.

Why am I posting this? Because until the people that keep defending Rainbow and her kind can start controlling their actions, they need to stifle it when it comes to condemning ours.

From her first post to me on that thread until now it has been a battle. From her condescending attitude and initial listing of her "American Indian" credits, she was the first "know it all" as she likes to call me. I just stood up to her...
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000359.html

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posted May 17, 2004 11:47 PM
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Hi Pid......you spoke of rewriting history in reference to American Indians.....
Methinks it's about time history was rewritten....Hell, we've been the "bad guys" for so long, that I used to have nightmares about Indians coming after me, after watching all those movies showing the scalping, murdering Indians and all the horrible things they did to the "innocent" white people...*sigh*..I kid you not! I had real nightmares about it...and in my dreams I was always trying to convince them not to harm me, cuz I was one of 'em...I was convinced that "Indians" were bad...and "white people" were good....

I was too young then to be aware of how the Europeans came over here and took our land because "might is right!" I was not aware of the trail of tears then, and how President Jackson and company broke promises and forced Indians west on the shameless trail of tears, where so many of the..young, old, and sick....died!

I'm not ashamed to tell you that I respect our ancestors....cuz we've survived in spite of efforts to eradicate us. It was Jackson who said, "The only good Indian, is a dead Indian." Sounds about as brilliant as something "dubya" would say...*sigh*

....and I don't get this...You daid "I only have a problem, and this was not directed to you, with the glamorization of our past and history."

Glamorization?

You must be pretty young!

I certainly don't remember any glamorizing?

when I was a child my dad could not be served a beer in a bar....cuz he was an Indian....He was asked to leave because they would not serve him IN THE LAND WHERE HE WAS BORN AND RAISED!!!

I was once stood up by a boy in high school (a boy that I really had a crush on, and was so happy that he had asked me out), cuz his dad didn't want him associating with an Indian. I cried when he didn't show up for that date....

I hardly think of these experiences as being "glamorous." In fact they were quite humilitating experiences, for us "Indians."

You also said, "I think it is our duty as humans to work to try to stop the oppression of others, even if it means justifiable war."

I certainly agree with you that people should not be oppressed (as ours were in the past, and still are, to some extent!) .... But justifiable war? I think the only time war is justifiable is when the other guy attacks you first...always have....always will....

(and I don't believe it was saddam who flew into our towers...never have...never will...)

Just my two cents...(Randall you said to carry on and boy that's what I did )

Rainbow

When I responded to her post, she commented back to me (because I revealed that I supported Bush)

Rainbow~
Knowflake
Posts: 2016
From: an enchanted cottage by the sea
Registered: Jan 2002
posted May 19, 2004 12:58 PM
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Pid....How long have you been aquainted with GW Bush?
...and you're right, I guess never having met him personally, I can't say that I "know" him.......but maybe YOU can introduce me someday, since you obviously do...

Love,
Rainbow


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This crazy woman has been baiting me for over 2 years now. LOL... and she has the nerve to act as though I attacked her? She came out of the box with her passive-aggressive attitudes.

Even when I tried to deflect things and give her props for being enlightened, her comment was...

"...and Pid, I'm flattered to learn that you HAVE ALWAYS found me to be enlightened, since I really haven't known you all that long........but heck, don'tcha be jumping to delusio...eerr. conclusions....

If I came across here, as being "enlightened," I'm afraid my posts have been sorely misunderstood. Good lord, I wish I WERE enlightened!

....I am certainly trying to work my way forward in a spiritual sense, but gosh darn...I'm a LONG way from being enlightened......thanks for the compliment, anyway...
"

Oh...was she insinuating that I am delusional? LMAO.... that is too funny...

Ahhh... to be right - well Rainbow - how do you account for your introduction to me and initial attack?

I would LOVE to hear your excuses....

I especially LOVE how you turned my last post around Rainbow...


pidaua
Knowflake
Posts: 3295
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: May 2002
posted May 20, 2004 12:31 PM
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Follow along Rainbow,
I said that I met the pres while attending the cattlemen conference. I also relayed the fact (without having to spell it out) that the cattlemen aren't starry eyed dumba$$es that fall for just any load of crap. So the fact that they asked the pres to speak says something about him.

I must have been mistaken about you and your enlightenment, I think I confused you with La-Tee-Da, actually I am sure of it. So I am sorry to her because I do admire her.

You on the other hand, have proven you would much rather see evil in a person than good without even knowing them. You have proven that you are just a biased angry person that feels "her" opinions / judgments are the only ones that can be credible.

Have fun in your rather one-sided world. I will keep to living in this real one.

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Rainbow~
Knowflake
Posts: 2016
From: an enchanted cottage by the sea
Registered: Jan 2002
posted May 20, 2004 07:41 PM
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Pid says, "You on the other hand, have proven you would much rather see evil in a person than good without even knowing them. You have proven that you are just a biased angry person that feels "her" opinions / judgments are the only ones that can be credible.
Pid...*sigh*

Look at what you just said!

I don't think that ANYWHERE in my posts,I said that I think MY opinions are the only ones that are credible...but....if you want to be accusing, then I by the same token, could say the same about you...."You Pid, are an angry and biased person who feels her opinions/judgments are the only ones that are credible.."

Doesn't that sound silly? It sounds like children..."My dad can beat up your dad" "Na na na na NA na!"

We are both entitled to our opinions (so far), and they differ.

It's as simple as that...

(name calling and accusing sounds so petty)

Love,
Rainbow

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Motherkonfessor
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posted November 15, 2006 06:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heya TINK!!!!

I would be happy to chat with you. I bet we could maintain civility for at least 4 or 5 posts before we start calling each other stupid.

MK

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Cardinalgal
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posted November 15, 2006 06:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blimey it's like being in a revolving door! Pid you're absolutely right. Some completely dreadful things have been said by a great many people on these boards including me and including you. No one's denying that these things were said or that they were wrong and deplorable whoever they came from and wherever they came from first. But isn't it possible to let go of it once and for all and start afresh? For example I know that it's highly unlikely I'll get an apology from people who've been rude to me in the past, but I've made my apologies for my part in things and that's where I'm happy to leave it for the sake of peace and breaking the cycle.

I think Sue was right when she said that it could go on and on ad infinitum, and where does that get anyone? You've got such lovely things in your life; a man who adores you and an interesting job to do. You've offered some real pearls of wisdom to people in other areas of this forum which has genuinely helped them. Wouldn't that be more pleasurable to discuss than simply dredging up old posts that should be buried with the past rather than have yet more attention placed on their negativity?

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pidaua
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From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo
Registered: Apr 2009

posted November 15, 2006 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would love to and I did try. The last time we digressed to this point, I said it was enough. I refrained from insulting Rainbow- and I will do it again. It hasn't leaked more than 2 other threads- but it is high time people accept responsibility for their actions instead of always pointing fingers.

MK... I found many of your interesting posts from the past as well. Let's just say you weren't Ms. Respectful to a good many people.


But I HAVE to post another one for old time sakes.... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000455-2.html


Rainbow at her best in 2004.....

With that... I will stop alternating between being on the offense and defense with her and Mirandee.

In the future, it would be wonderful to see the same standard of behaviour that I am told I need to be held to also applied to everyone- then it will be fair.

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Cardinalgal
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posted November 15, 2006 07:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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In the future, it would be wonderful to see the same standard of behaviour that I am told I need to be held to also applied to everyone- then it will be fair.

She's got a point ladies and gents.

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