posted October 27, 2004 04:27 PM            

Your coming here is no coincidence.
Two month ago in a dream just before waking up, I heard , the morning Nawaz. I don't even know if thats what it is called. A man was reciting in a loud and harmonious voice. I felt very serene after that. I still do not know what that dream meant. I am only thinking that it means God is asking me to study his words. It is on my list of pending things.

Are you here because of some of our prayers?
Why the secrecy? Can I send you an email? You will have to give permission to the moderator(Sesame or Randall) to allow me to.

PEACE.

posted October 27, 2004 04:37 PM            

Why is sin like a progression and it devours people on its way?

Something else I would like to know is how do you atone for sins in this birth itself.
Confessions according to Christianity is a way? What is the other way in your mind?

How can Man, go back to the state of purity he was when he was just born. Be made whole. Or is it irreversible? Is it that Every one must reap what they sow. Why won't you also pity the woman on the tree? What does New Age tell you? And when did this New age began according to you? Was it in 1970? I was born two years after that?

posted October 27, 2004 07:36 PM            

Magidivision, I have no idea what you're talking about. When you say a man among us, do you mean literally, on Earth? Why give this message? How would it help people? All it seems to be is a fear technic to make people afraid, which I, like IAT, don't understand coming from a Master. I thought Masters believed all things had there place - what you project you receive. Hence Fear begets Fear. If someone projected Love would they not receive Love? If the projected deception, would they not experience deception? Shouldn't this matter be up to the person projecting these things?

Also, I'm curious when you say Ushu, is this person also called Osho?

posted October 27, 2004 08:11 PM            

I have emailed my address to your yahoo account.

Kindly forward it to Magidivision.

posted October 28, 2004 07:00 AM              

Rumi says, “There was a man who found a frozen dragon in the outskirts of the village. He became so excited that he brought it into the town to show the people. The sun warmed the frozen dragon up and slowly it came to life again. When it was fully conscious, it devoured the man and the some of the villagers who had come to look at it.”

The frozen dragon is your “commanding self” (nafs) which must remain frozen. Otherwise, it will not only hurt you, but others as well. It takes a Christ-like person to bring to life a beast and tame it.

Once a man asked Jesus to teach him how to revive the dead. Jesus refused to give the man these teachings. After much begging, Jesus accepted but warned him that this was not a gift the man would be receiving. The man learned the technique and revived a beast in the desert by bringing its skeleton to life. Immediately, the beast tore him to pieces.

The dragon and the beast are the commanding self. It MUST remain frozen or tamed by a teacher (Christ).

In my last post, when I referred to a darkness of a certain person, this was not a personal attack. The beast has to do with that dark side that we all have inside. When I say it can develop in such a cunning way that we advise one thing and we do another. The question is, how to deal with it. Shall I get worry with fear? Shall I go into the process of self-hatred?

My Master says, “No. This is a natural process that one should deal with without becoming self-destructive, depressed, or self-hateful. The best guidance we all have is the law (shariat). Without becoming paranoid, we can refer to those laws in regard to every action we take. The ten commandments are relevant.”

In Sufi literature and painting, the subjects are about the nightingale, the rose, the candle, the butterfly (fearless in nature) and a jug of wine with total darkness behind that picture. Before the candle is lit, there is total darkness. You see none of the beauties of the nightingale, rose . . . it is the desire of the candle to light which brings light to those very objects. The butterfly fearlessly dances around the candle. The nightingale sings tirelessly for the rose. And by the morning, the darkness is gone and both candle and butterfly are in fana. My Master says, “This is our state. Darkness is our nafs but we desire to bring the light out from within with the scent of the rose and the singing of the nightingale. And the butterfly is our soul which seeks fana with the light. And the morning is being in the light of God. Everything is withering away within Him.’

This is the path of lovers. Those who seek love, those who are drunk, those who are dumbfounded. The Beloved shows Herself in every stage of development requiring the lover to pay tribute with something. In the first stage, in the Valley of Quest, the color is green and the moon is shining to guide the lovers. You must come with peace and be empty (to be free of selfishness).’

I will jump now to the fifth valley, where your interests are.

My Master says, “In the fifth valley, the lover requires you to seek unity. You must no longer be scattered and forgive everything along the way. You are in Mars. The Scorpion loves this. It is a battle with oneself.’

Let me clear two things. Your essence is not known to you and it will never be known to you because it is connected to the Infinite Essence of God. And God wants you to progress toward perfection. Your essence is that dynamic part of you that also seeks changes. Don’t try to figure it out or solve riddles.’

For Jupiter, there is a beautiful lady standing tall and looking away. It is the sixth valley. When you see in bewilderment, you see a glance of the Beauty of God. And you will kneel in astonishment. In that beauty, you see no fault, only your own humility. And you will scream, ‘Take me to the next valley where there is no i, only You!’”

We will talk about this later to clarify our destiny and elevated position.

My Master says, “We are all in the first stage with a glimpse of the valley that is connected to our time of birth and destiny.”

Therefore, Daf, you will peace with your soulmate, your wife. Listen to her. Librans and Pisces must find peace and alignment within before you can bring peace and alignment to others. There is no Dark Lord mocking you. It is only the suggestion of your nafs.

Juni, the number 5 is a number of presence.

IamThat, the prayer called namaz is accompanied with azan. But namaz is from need and bowing to the Beloved, seeking unity, peace.

Ten years before his death, Imam Ali met with a man who would kill him ten years later. The man had come to submit himself to Ali and had no thought at that point to kill Ali. Imam Ali shook hands with him and said, “I have doubts about you. You are the kind to break the laws.”

Imam Ali did not commit adultery and he never saw himself above the shariat.

Peace and harmony to all,
(someone took my Serenity so I can’t use it today )

Master

posted October 28, 2004 05:10 PM            

Do you also dance? I love to dance. I haven't received your email from Dean?

Meanwhile I have following general questions:

quote:

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Jesus refused to give the man these teachings. After much begging, Jesus accepted but warned him that this was not a gift the man would be receiving

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I never heard this story. Its also not in the book of Remembrance.

Also Ushu, is it same as Osho. Osho died a decade ago. Why is India flooded with so many false gurus? I thought India is a good land. I guess its karma is going downhill.

I have a question. When the beloved enters the heart? Will it ever leave you?
What is the physical signs you observe when beloved enters you. Do you hear a strange sound in your ears which science cannot explain?

The color that you describe is that same as aura? Is green what all is born with and then becomes gray for defiled men and yellow-orange for rising men? Can you please explain?

Please enlighten us.

PEACE

posted October 28, 2004 07:19 PM            

Come on the Old Man can't hurt you
Lets just hear him. I am 32 and always have my ears open for words of Wisdom.

When I entered Lindaland 2 month ago, I told all remember. That I am on a Journey to understand myself.

I LOVE LINDALAND. IT HAS INDEED BECOME A SANCTUARY FOR ME TOO JUST AS IT IS FOR HEART-AND-SOUL.

PEACE.

posted October 28, 2004 09:15 PM              

If it doesn't bother you or anyone else here too much, I would like to apologize for the poor treatment you received on the homosexuality thread.

It was obvious to me from reading your posts that you didn't participate in that thread to judge anyone or condemn anyone. Chad asked a question, and you pulled what you had to share from somewhere in your heart and your faith. Whether you were right or wrong, true or false, it seemed that you were trying to share information that you have learned in your travels, not passing judgement.

In this place, we should ALL be able to politely express our views without having to concern ourselves with whether or not we will be berated by strangers simply because our views differ from theirs. I have great hope that the day will come when such is the case.

The entire purpose of this apology is to let you know, if only in a very small way, that your input IS appreciated, whether I agree with what you have to say or not. Thank you for sharing with us, hopefully this will serve as an adequate response to replace the one you received earlier.

wa salam,

posted October 28, 2004 09:29 PM            

thank you. A Glorious tomorrow !

Love,

posted October 28, 2004 11:42 PM            

I am looking forward to read more posts by

you.

posted October 29, 2004 04:14 AM              

Thankyou, lets settle down then and listen to the Master with our ears open wide

Lets take this opportunity to ask sincere questions, ones that will help our growth and progress as we navigate our way through the first valley.

Love

posted October 29, 2004 05:47 AM              

If astronomy is related to science, astrology is a totally different domain. In astronomy, the mystics imagine the earth as the center and all planets and stars are orbiting around earth. The mystic knows the constellations are a blueprint of destinies and decree. The mystic understands the life force (jan) among every particle in the universe. Once a sufi experiences this aspect, he can speak the common language with everything. The sufi talks to a flower, a squirrel, rock, tree, river . . . and travels beyond time and place.

In this journey, he becomes aware of the future, past, and sees everything in the present. When the mystic talks about astrology, he first talks about the seventh heaven of love (Valley of Love) and each color and symbol that these heavens symbolize. The seven valleys of love are:

Moon, quest, green, female, peace

Mercury, wisdom, blue, male, order

Venus, love, white, female, musician

Sun, needlessness, yellow, male, lion

Mars, unity, red, male, pruning/taming

Jupiter, bewilderment, brown, female, Esoteric beauty

Saturn, annihilation, black, male, harvest

From these seven heavens, astrology develops the 12 houses of the zodiac. If one does not understand the first seven, it will be the newspaper horoscope nonsense of astrology.

The inward journey of man happens with those seven valleys of love. There are also two heavens after annihilation known as:

Heaven of Fixed Stars, or Throne of God

The Empyrean, Heaven of No Stars, or No time and Place

And of course, Earth has four levels, and is Mother.

Thus, we are not talking about conventional astrology.

This is also based on sacred numbers and other dimensions not known to man.

The number 5 is a very important number, the ever-presence of a female protector, Fatima.

IamThat, the reason Indian gurus are so corrupted is because the mystical world is meant to stay away from the material realm of buying and selling. Osho and Sai Baba are from that tradition. The domain of unknown is only for people who are seekers and it is not for everyone.

Christ was aware of man's potential to destroy or create and he could tame and manage any nafs.

Our literature is full of pain without purpose, sadness without hope, and darkness without light. The selfless love has become selfish love. For example, Othello kills the beloved. Before that, the lover would sacrifice for his beloved.

The sufi literature (Hafez, Rumi, Saadi, Sanai) talks about the pain but it is the pain of separation yet with the hope of annihilation with the Beloved. If the reed flute is crying, it is from that longing of separation and joy of becoming one with the beloved.

The whole creation are the Names of God. "The Names of God are making love always," the Quran says. The dances to love require music. Those ears which are open can hear this music and dance always. The Quran say, "The whole creation is in prayer at all times."

The Sufi knows everything is the Names and Attributes of God. Anything that looks bad on the surface the sufi takes blame for. Anything good, the sufi attributes that to God. We know good and bad are only relative and belongs to the material realm.

These are not teachings, just a preparation for learning. The real teaching starts when you come empty without ego, presumptions, and illusion. You'll enter this door with ablution.

They saw Jesus running and the people asked him, "Are you running away from a wild animal?" Jesus replied, "No, I am running away from the ignorant man."

Love and peace,

posted October 29, 2004 09:02 AM              

Please don't run away from us quite yet.

I see now the importance of choosing a Path. I am unsure how to make this choice. I feel it would be disrespectful to "try on" these religions to see which is the better fit, as though they were dresses in a shop. It seems to be a rare occurance to change the religion of one's birth and I agree that this should not be done lightly. How does one know which religion is most suitable to one's nature? I am not necessarily looking for comfortable, I am looking for productive.

Thank you for your words master. They are rich and deep. It will take many days to plumb their depths. Which is good, as I like puzzles.

"Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the Law of the Lord."

tink

posted October 29, 2004 05:40 PM              

The world is suffering from two things: religion without mysticism, and mysticism without religion. The former problem is populated by self-righteous cult-like people based on violence (as you see in the Middle East) and the latter is by self-proclaimed mystics who deny religion and engage in all sorts of perversion (Sai Baba, Osho etc.)

The Messiah was both a man of religion and mysticism. Unlike us, his fabric was light (we are made of, among other elements, fire). That is why he was needless of sexual desire. His birth was as a result of the good deeds of prophet Mary who accepted the angel Gabriel to join in light. Jesus was not the result of lust. He preached the laws but set a precedent not to punish their breaches -- for example, stopping the "adulteress" from being stoned by the people. He had love for those who sinned since he knew they were the victim of their environment.

He saw more problem with those who stood on their pedestals and preached religion. He had visited the other domain and he knew this world is just a temporaray arrangement. His reign and kingdom would be in a more permanent place. Jesus was crucified because of our ignorance well befored he was crucified. He suffered from the ignorance and hypocrisy and self-righteousness surrounding him. He saw the material world as hell and he had to leave to a place of quality, not quantity, peace, and enlightenment.

They call him the Sun of God, placed in the fourth heaven to receive blessings from the heavens above and hand it over to the heavens below. He said everyone can bring the light within and become like him. His body on the cross can be found in every church to remind us that he is still crucified by our ignorance and selfishness while his soul is with the Father in the heavens.

No he did not buy our sins otherwise we would not act as his people. The Quran says, "No, the Messiah was not crucified. No one could crucify the favorite of God. They only beat his dead body."

To be continued.

Serenity,

Master

posted October 30, 2004 01:55 PM            

It would take me time to swallow what you said. Meanwhile.

Who is greater? Thoth or Kriste? Have you come to take us to Thoth's kingdom or to Kriste's kingdom?

Or have you only come here to perform only good deeds? And therefore the path we each chose does not matter?

PEACE

posted October 30, 2004 07:50 PM              

I wonder what you think of these quotes. I am wondering because of what you said here:

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the latter is by self-proclaimed mystics who deny religion and engage in all sorts of perversion (Sai Baba, Osho etc.)

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"Osho is an enlightened master who is working with all possibilities to help humanity overcome a difficult phase in developing consciousness".
~His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama

"Osho is the greatest incarnation after Buddha in India. He is a living Buddha"
~16th Karmapa - head of the Kagyu school of Tibetan Buddhism, who died in 1981.

"Osho's brilliant insights will benefit all those who yearn for experiential knowledge of the field of pure potentiality inherent in every human being."
~Deepak Chopra

"He is the rarest and most talented religionist to appear this century."
Kazuyoshi Kino, professor of buddhist studies, Hosen Gakuen College, Tokyo, Japan

"He is tremendous, he is very big. He is a great sage."
~Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

"No one is more qualified to introduce the mystics than Osho, a man who stands out even in their exalted company. He speaks from his own experience, bringing his mystic predecessors to life, making them his contemporaries."
John Lilly

"Osho is the most dangerous man since Jesus Christ... He's obviously a very effective man, otherwise he wouldn't be such a threat. He's saying the same things that nobody else has the courage to say. A man who has all kinds of ideas, they're not only inflammatory-they also have a resonance of truth that scares the pants off the control freaks."

"I have never heard anyone so beautifully and playfully integrate and then dissolve the psychological problems which, for generations, have sapped our human energies."
Rev. Cain, chaplain, Churchill College Cambridge

"Wit and playfulness are a tremendously serious transcendence of evil, and this is one thing that Osho understood better than any contemporary teacher that I can think of. Gurdjieff had an element of that in his teachings, but certainly in the past fifty years there has not existed a teacher in the world who understood the value of playfulness and wit quite so well as Osho."
Tom Robbins

"Never before or after have I encountered anybody having such a harmonious and immensely creative view encompassing art, science, human psychology and religiousness. Certainly we would lack substantially without his vision of the new man."
Dr. A. Schleger, Ph.D., Institute of Technology, Switzerland

"I really got into Osho's books. I have always loved his
books. They were top notch."
Marianne Williamson, author

"His incredible taped discourse lectures and books have inspired me, and millions of others, on the path of self-evolution... He is like a great bell tolling, Awaken, Awaken, Awaken!"
James Coburn, actor

"Osho has a unique identity of his own. Our worldly life can become more fruitful through meditation and people can evolve towards a better society with the help of Osho's wisdom."
Rt. Hon'ble Shri Girija Prasad Koirala, prime minister of Nepal

"A great mystic, a great philosopher.... In his own way Osho captured the essence of ancient wisdom, related it to contemporary needs, tempered it with the modern times and became a powerful messenger of eternal Indian thought and Indian wisdom."
Dr. Manmohan Singh, former finance minister of India,

"Osho speaks the language of today's Yug Bhasha. His message is for the whole world."
Shri Krishnakant, vice-president of India,

"Enlightened people like Osho are ahead of their times. It is good that more and more young people are now reading his works."
K. R. Narayanan, president of India

I read all his books."
Shirley MacLaine

"Osho is a fountain of wisdom that never goes dry. This centuryís most original mind has created a new world for us humans to revel in, enjoy and remain ourselves through the pathway of love. Here is the quintessence of the wisdom of ages, the pure nectar of essential knowledge for mortals to acquaint with immortality."
Mr. V. N. Narayanan, editor-in-chief, Hindustan Times

"Trough my friend Deepak Chopra I came across Osho's books which gave me an other deeper shift in my life. I regret I did not met him in person, and I feel sorry the US Government missed such an opportunity back in 86."
Madonna, Singer and Performer,

"I was inspired by Osho's wisdom when I wrote the song 'How fragile we all are'; Reading his books gave me hope for humanity. It is a must for everybody to have a look into his words ....."
Sting, Singer and Preformer

Are all of these people wrong? The Dalai Lama?? You know something they all dont know? Sorry, just have to stick up for my man again.

Are you just believing the lies that have been spread about him? That he's into orgies and whatnot? He is a dangerous man. Dangerous to the people who want to keep our minds closed. Those who dont want humanity to awaken. Many lies have been spread about him for these reasons. It's sad that so many people make judgements without reading him for themselves.

Silly guru!!

I'm really interested in your thoughts on this. Have you read anything by him?

Just being my stubborn Taurean self. Hey, what sun sign are you? Leo? Aries? .....I know, a Libra!!

Peace out brotha.

posted October 30, 2004 08:46 PM            

The context got overlapped. The first Sai baba from Shirdi left the earth plain 1918. He was good. The current one, called Sathya Sai baba. I am not sure. Theres lot of sexual abuse allegations against him.

Let those who are gone, be at at Peace. Their soul did what was expected of them. Lets all worry about those who live and lets live for them.

PEACE

posted October 30, 2004 08:50 PM              

Yeah and so does Sting!!!

Seriously though, (even besides those two) there are a lot of highly intelligent, spiritually evolved people who are giving him the thumbs up. And for good reason.

Just putting some food for thought out there.

I know other's have the right to disagree, Tink. And I am excercising my right to too. And asking magi for his reasoning behind his statement. I dont want him to change his mind, I could really care less. But when he says something I disagree with, I'll mention it. No big deal.

I truly am curious. It may come off negativly or as defensive to some, but that is not my intent. Just because I disagree with magi on certaing things doesnt mean I'm mad at him or hate him. K?

To each their own is right. But I'll put in my two cents too.

I like to call 'em like I see 'em. But we all see things our own way right?