posted November 04, 2004 11:27 AM            

It means, take the subtlest of particle (atom,electron,...) and you will find spirit of God in it. If God is in Jesus he is in Satan too.

If God was that particle in our Hearts, would this discussion exist?

Love,

posted November 04, 2004 11:31 AM            

It took a child to say "Look the Emperor has no clothes"

posted November 04, 2004 12:34 PM              

"end days dajal(satan) is riding on a donkey and he carries in the saddle bags the 7 aspects listed above."

posted November 04, 2004 04:09 PM            

Thank you for posting the seven aspects of nafs. I so totally agree with what you say. Jeshua had indeed mastered the beasts of burden.

I also agree that the journey is within but expressed outwards. We do express what is within through deeds and action. If consumed by our nafs we become 'Tohuw' - Too Hoo. This is a Hebrew word that often defies English translation which means wasteful, empty, vain, and void. We must remember the wisdom of balance.

Since we had the seven nafs, I shall post you the seven wisdoms.

Holiness
Oneness
Awareness
Balance
Faith
Eternity - to live in the eternity of NOW
Infinity - to live with the infinite possibilities given to you by your creator.

Dean, I think it's fair to say that my views have changed as my understanding has grown. There was a time where I would travel the ends of the earth to seek the answers to all my questions. I know now this is no longer necessary. However, without intention to propel us we tend to do nothing. It is good to seek because how else will we find.

The Apocryphal Books including the Book Of Enoch can be found in many places. I have various editions. The New American Library and Meridian Books have printed paperback versions of some of the main writings, including the others I mentioned in my last post under the title - THE LOST BOOKS OF THE BIBLE and also, THE FORGOTTEN BOOKS OF EDEN. I would search the web as I have had mine many years. Perhaps if you can no longer get it new you may pick up secondhand versions.

I hope this helps.

I will not off line for a while as I'm off to join Mr. Gia on one of his trips. I'll pop in when I get back.

Daf,

I'm sorry hon.
As long as you don't ride off anywhere else soon I'm sure we'll all be happy.

Love and hugs to you all.

Gia

posted November 04, 2004 05:41 PM              

I don't why you are dizzy that I can say that and then say the other. Yes, I think money CAN be the root of evil. This doesnt always have to be so. I could want more money to do things that would help people on this planet. I would love more money to help homeless animals on this planet. So, once again, I can say "there is nothing wrong with wanting more money". And I can also say "the love of money is (can be) the root of evil". It is all up to how the person and how they choose to use the energy of the money. Money itself is not bad. It's another "thing". It's the person who changes that. By getting or wanting more doesnt mean I would have to become an evil person.

I dont know what to tell you about Osho's "excuse" for the rolls. I get his message and dont think there was anything wrong with it. You dont feel the same way. That's okay.

posted November 04, 2004 06:19 PM            

I have to disagree with you on that one I'm afraid. I guess we won't always agree on everything and that's OK. My translations are not at fault here. Although you may find fault with my views and the teachings of my Master.

Peace with you also.

Gia

posted November 04, 2004 08:35 PM            

GIA: BTW I see a perfect blend of East and West in your thoughts. And it almost matches my definition. Love is that which binds oneness. Holiness is sanctity of this Love.

posted November 04, 2004 09:36 PM            

I guess I'm reminded of one of the most loved poets who was indeed an advanced and unlike myself, a very enlightened soul Mr. William Blake. Who expressed it far more beautifully when he wrote:

To see the world in a grain of sand
And heaven in a flower
Is to hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in an hour.

I do look forward to exchanging more conversations when I get back. Let me know if you have difficulty getting the books because if you do, I'll probably have a source that might help.

Edited because I forgot to answer your question. CHRIST the name, means anointed one from the Greek word CHRISTOS. When we talk about Christ the Logos we are simply saying, CHRIST THE WORD. When we talk about Apostles - that word in Greek means messenger. I'd be happy to answer some of your other questions when I get back. We can discuss emails then.

Gia

posted November 05, 2004 01:24 AM              

Thank you so much for your compliments and words of encouragement. No harm can come of spreading love, and kind words are a good beginning to that end.

Might I suggest that there is only one mansion, only one door and only one key, viewed through the filter of many hearts, and minds?

That which we build brick by brick could then be thought of as being not our new mansion, but our personal perception appearing as a mansion, hopefully constructed upon the blueprint of the original, built to each individual's specifications.

To what end? Perhaps because what appears a door to you, may not appear as a door to me. What seems a key to me, may appear a lock to you.

The construction of a separate "mansion" within (ie perception of the original and only) might allow us each to reach THE door, with THE key and enter THE mansion.

Love,

posted November 05, 2004 02:52 AM              

A night of prayers and contemplation.

Serenity,

posted November 05, 2004 02:58 AM            

One last response before bed and a very early rise.

You are spot on about individual specifications, for the bricks I speak of are deeds and actions. The mansions our lifetimes. When we are called, not one brick will be added or taken away. That which we have built will be totally ours. Finally, when we are finished and we have THE key, we enter THE mansion. Every small action of compassion, kindness and love will build a brick. No bricks are built in hate. The good thing is one can rebuild anytime. How awesome is that!

Gia

Gia

posted November 05, 2004 11:18 PM            

I found an online version of the book of Enoch:

http://reluctant-messenger.com/enoch.htm

BTW, I loved the poem from Mr. Blake, Indeed he is enlightened.

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Regarding the mansions heres my thought:

If we refer to John 14

quote:

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2. In my Father's house there are many dwelling places. If there were not, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you?
3. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back again and take you to myself, so that where I am you also may be.
4. Where (I) am going you know the way."
5. Thomas said to him, "Master, we do not know where you are going; how can we know the way?"
6. Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

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Now translate Father's house as a land of Father.
Also translate mansion to mean a home ( a home is build on land).

Actually verse 4 should be : Where I am going you do not know the way. I wonder why they knocked off "not".

Now Yeshua is preparing a place for you based on your deeds. Brick by brick (as Gia explained beautifully.)

And the way to this land is thru Christ of God.

Well so we all now know where Yeshua went and we also know the way. So what is stopping us lets go guys

posted November 06, 2004 12:20 AM              

Will you correct my misconceptions? Blinded by my own conditioning, I am in no position to do so myself.

Love to you,

daf

posted November 06, 2004 07:32 AM            

I thank you for the kind words. They build bricks for both of us.
It is early morning and I have been asked to reply to you.

"I am not God, and never will be."

If you had a very large cake and you divided that cake and put each piece on a separate plate. I wonder, would those pieces still be cake?

If I were to pull out a hair from your head, or take a tiny clipping of your nail. I would have a complete DNA profile of YOU. A complete holographic image of all YOU contain. The small part of YOU that contains the WHOLE. Now think about your SOUL please. You are NOT just the ATOM, but the WHOLE. The whole of what? What is your soul? Where does it belong? What does it long for?

You are the breath of God. The substance of his hand.
GOD IS WITHIN YOU. In the scriptures we are told to light the lamp within us. To knock on that door, which is yourself, and it shall be opened. Whatever you will open for yourself, will be opened.

A very wise Gnostic teacher called Monosimus, says, " Look who it is within you who makes everything his own and says, my God, my mind, my thought, my soul, my body. Investigate yourself and you will find him." That is how I know. If the soul is in the body and the soul is divine, then the divine is completely here within us at all times. That is why Jeshua says, "The Kingdom is within you."

I did not always know this myself of course. I searched outside myself for many years. Please do not think I suggest for one moment that I have reached my destination. Not at all. I'm just more aware of how far I've yet to go. Finding the key is one thing, but getting to that mansion, well that is something else entirely! *laughing*

Sometimes all the running around we do, reading, meditating, pondering, contemplating, is just a desperate attempt at filling a void. John says that it's natural to be holy, but difficult to be natural. I pondered on that one for months before I truly understood, that to be natural you had to be comfortable with your own nature.

Your SOUL longs for COMPLETION.
ONENESS with it's creator
The greatest wisdom of all seven is ONENESS. That is because it contains all the other six wisdoms. It is not compassion, although it does contain compassion. It is COMPLETION. It contains even eternity and infinity because it contains the ETERNAL NOW.

So when the weight deadens on our shoulders and we stumble, as we all do at times. Let us light that lamp within in us. After all, it's difficult to build bricks in darkness.

I wish you good spaces.

Solas > Solas,

Gia

posted November 06, 2004 02:35 PM            

"My Fathers house has many Mansions."

The word 'House' translates both in Aramaic and Greek as a place of abode. A house of sorts.

Now, this is the interesting, the word
'Mansion' was commonly used to describe a space. A space of abode for what?

Space for your soul to express God perhaps? Often times, I think it's true to say that behind the facade of our external life, we forget what is hidden. My Master reminds me often that there is no such thing as a spiritual journey as we often perceive it. Though we often use the term 'journey' to describe a stage of time. There is nothing so near as the eternal. The eternal is home within you. I'm not sure, but I think it was Oscar Wilde who said, "We think in eternity, but we move slowly through time."

What is wisdom if not the knowledge to move in rhythm with our true nature. To give one another space to do so is crucial, because as Kahlil Gibran says, we are children of space, and that which is boundless in us, abides in the mansion. It needs light and does not grow well in shadow. "And he to whom worship is a window that shuts, has not yet visited the windows of his soul, whose windows are from dawn to dawn."

I look forward to chatting to you when I get back. I will pop in when I'm getting a coffee and a mobile connection. I'd love to hear how you like the book.

I wish you good spaces.

posted November 06, 2004 03:26 PM              

Thank you for your analogy.

Perhaps what you are trying to show me is that we are one with God in that we are all "made of cake."

Still, in your analogy none of the pieces would be a cake. They would all be "pieces of cake." None of the DNA strands would be ME anymore than the hair that they were taken from is me.

Being a "piece of God" sounds about right to me.

Being God, is a notion that is beyond me.

Your lovely humility is apparent when you say that you have not reached your destination. No doubt we both have many, many more miles to go, my friend.

May the journey become your destination and may you come to know all that you have been searching for as well as all that has been searching for you.

Thank you again.

Love,

posted November 06, 2004 04:27 PM            

The book is quite large. Wonder when I would finish it. BTW, I am going for my baptism this good friday. Most of my posts that is going to come would seek answers to the true meaning of the rite and rituals. Why are they necessary? When would I ever complete my journey to have all my answers

I also enjoyed your posts about the African Shaman. My boss has a picture of an Indian American Shaman. Its a very mystic picture, and its like a hologram. Everytime, i take a look, i would see different animals in the background.
Wonder it its telling me that I too was a Shaman in my past life
Shamans, I heard, have to keep sexual purity, and be strong mentally.

I saw your edited post, I think I missed you.

PEACE.

posted November 07, 2004 06:54 PM            

Daf, all peices have the exact same ingredients. They are all cake. The example is a little limited in terms of sizes, but they are all the same thing. God is in each peice as she was of the whole. But the whole was never split - that is just an analogy to help our imaginations. What we see is an illusion as you have said yourself. How do you see oneness?? The illusion is necessary. It is our ego and history that prevents us from saying we are God. We may say Jesus = God. God = everything, but not I = God. This is our limitation. We are one.

IAT, I read somewhere that in old times, baptisms were actually very close to drowning. You would literally die, then be resuscitated (sp) and hence born again. It has since changed to either a sprinkling of water or submersion in a bath, but it is all simbolic. John the Baptist was so named because everyone he drowned never died which could happen back then. So when Jesus was baptised, you could say he died then and on the the cross, and hence "died" three times (after he came from the tomb being his last, I use quotation marks because death doesn't exist and because he might've transcended without shedding his body wich we call death).

posted November 07, 2004 09:43 PM            

I refer to what the passages of the Sefer Yetzirah - the Kabballah's Ancient Book of Creation, and to the original inscription above the entrance to Apollo's temple at Delphi. In both places can be found references to a universal truth long forgotten by us. Universal truths about our ORIGINS. The passages are really quite simple in instruction, they ask you to, "Seek within thy self" and to, "Know thyself" for in doing so, we will uncover the answer to our deepest mystery. The mystery of who we ARE and WHAT we are.

A literal message has been found encoded within our DNA. A decade long project to understand the code reveals that it actually manifests in several layers. Those layers are interesting in themselves. I'll post more about that one later because through it we understand the seven wisdoms more fully.

Linking the Biblical alphabets to our genetic codes - with a .00042 percent probability that it is a fluke of nature. When deciphered, it revealed the following: "GOD ETERNAL WITHIN THE BODY." That is in OUR genetic code folks.

There is no separation and no duality other than the expression of it. The reality implies that it is a self made illusion. My Master often talks to me about what it means to be God realized. He says it simply means what it says, that there are no other hidden any things. He says that most of us are in a dream dominated by our very personalities. These personalities change over lifetimes, but the REALITY is that our nature remains the same. Easy to be holy and hard to be natural. I truly believe the quality of the soul once explored will finally reveal to us who we really are.

Gods children? Exactly.

Dear I Am That,

I hear what you say about rituals. Sometimes we need to express outwardly something far more intense and internal. It's so hard to embody in action the language of the soul. We use rituals to express our most inward meditations. Sometimes our efforts are totally in vain and the whole purpose seems diminished, especially when we look at those rituals in the cold light of day.

In the harshness of daylight some of these rituals are amusing and often comical. That is because they were not really meant for the outside at all, but for the inner harvest. Rituals are a threshold, an invitation to bring the inside out. Enjoy it.

Gia

posted November 07, 2004 09:51 PM            

Now talking of cake.....*laughing* calories are only illusion right?

Gia

posted November 08, 2004 06:02 PM            

Um, what did you mean by:

quote:

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Linking the Biblical alphabets to our genetic codes - with a .00042 percent probability that it is a fluke of nature. When deciphered, it revealed the following: "GOD ETERNAL WITHIN THE BODY." That is in OUR genetic code folks.

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I like the 42 (meaning of life), but what do you mean by linking?