posted November 01, 2004 12:59 PM            

I admit I am unschooled in writings of Oshu, Sai Baba and their comtemoraries; That which I have read, has been presented in forum form.

From what I have gleaned, the writings seem negligible of the Law of the Ten Commandments.

I hold the Law dear and clearly can`t see how the two are compatable. Am I missing the Intentions of the authors?

Love,

posted November 01, 2004 02:47 PM              

Thankyou for the reply

posted November 01, 2004 04:47 PM              

You have a dream. The man with the key to your house is your guide.

A temple of love is in your heart

Find it in the journey of life and annihilate yourself there

The temple that holds you also releases you

Return to where you began and be nowhere and everywhere

Serenity,

posted November 02, 2004 09:56 AM            

Do you think there are false Christ and false Buddha and false Brahma in heaven?

Whose kingdom do you think would collapse first? Also, didn't Gabriel appear to Mohammad? Isn't he cutting in to Christ's kingdom? How can we trust the intention of Gabriel?

If I may ask? What had attracted you to Islam religion?

I am letting you know my thoughts on religion: I think the only religion we must follow is that taught by Abraham, Moses, Brahma and Real Yeshua(Jesus) and Real Buddha (called Shankyamuni or Siddhartha). Sorry if i missed others. I picked up these people as I am familiar with their teachings. These people all taught to worship only the One All mighty. All glory is only his. These people were under the umbrella of the God. People heard the voice of God thru them. Well Shankyamuni only kept his mouth shut whenever someone asked him questions about God. I am thinking he knew Gods plan and the superficiality of people and knew that when he opened his mouth people would not believe. In the end the Hindu brahmins (False Brahma's) people food poisoned him.

I have stressed, about this One All mighty, earlier, in Lindaland, I haven't concluded my journey yet. I am missing certain parts of the puzzle. I would need your help.

Its only after the above mentioned All mighty's people left the earth plain, that these false Gods in heaven I spoke of are conquering souls on earth for their own kingdom. For example,
Christianity got a boost by the emperor Constantine. He saw a cross sign in the sky and was told to conquer by that sign. I think the False Christ of heaven used his tricks. Thousands and Thousands were killed and he established catholicism in Rome. Then there is an example of how Gabriel inspired Mohammed to write to kill infidels. To get souls for his own Kingdom. If you look at India's history, the muslims invaded India and forcelly converted hindu brahmins. Remember Aurangzeb and other such emperors, who were from Persia. The christians did same. Remember the 200 years of British colony. The hindus and buddhists fought each other. Remember Ashoka the great king, who converted to Buddhism after all the bloodshed. Can't we see clearly, that teachings based on falsehood is meeting its own death. I am glad for people of nations who has realized this, if I am correct in my thinking. I don't believe I see a single one nation today who has ears and can really listen and those who have eyes and can really see. We humans should learn from Children who are at peace with their neighbors, pure in heart, who does not do what others have told them to do. And is sarcastically honest. Blessed is the nation who had and continues to have such children.

The All mighty has tolerated all these for many days.

I am thinking the plan is that All mighty wants these days to pass. God would come again as a fire, that he appeared before Moses. The fire that didn't burn the bush. And all who didn't bow to worship humans or idols or false Gods will be glorified in him.

What do you think? Forgive me for my radical idea if it may hurt you. But what you said in 2 posts earlier, jump started my thought process and I came up with above. Hmm... Is reality only a blip of thought as mentioned above? If yes why do we still suffer?

PEACE.

posted November 02, 2004 01:24 PM            

I am truly sad to read your judgement of Osho. Perhaps you think he battles his ego like you? Your constant struggles with it manifests it stronger, and if unchecked will drive you totally into despair. It's like your heart fighting your brain. Oh how the ego loves a good struggle. It wants to show you how it can control. Depression and darkness is where fear resides.

I suppose if people truly understood the value of thought, they would be amazed to find that every thought is as powerful as a deed. Actually in many cases more effective than any word or weapon. I'm sorry Daf, it is your innermost and highest thought that makes YOU.I always try to remember that thought is the consciousness of absolute will. The judgement of this great Master is the innermost judgement of yourself.

A Master knows how to manifest blessings that are abundant to him in God. A Master knows there is no holiness in poverty as indeed there is no holiness in wealth. What then is the difference? It is simply an expression and a vehicle. Why express the lowest when you can express the best? Even the poor rely on the wealthy do they not? What if they didn't have to?

Osho has reached many millions and continues his work. As my beloved Jeshua does who is a LIVING CHRIST.

We are not matter, we are not material, Spirit is a substance that is not subservient to material laws. Please don't be deceived simply by the 'appearance' of it.

Manifestation of wealth is easy for a Master. The Yogi's with begging bowl at hand that stand on one leg for months, or years to find God, are in a struggle to overcome what you describe. They rely on the kindness of others for food, whilst they try to reach the God within themselves through struggle. It does not have to be so.

There is no true separation from God. A Master knows this. He sees as God sees. Loves as God loves. A rich full life pulsates through the heart of those that are at one with God. It delights to pour itself out through the God given channels it has. Judge by the fruit of the tree always, not by it's mode of transport.

Some people ask why are there so many people still in bondage whilst knowing about this knowledge? It requires for you to live it. You need to cast out the fear knowing that God is with you always. Your supply for every need is truly within yourself. If you know that God truly fills your space, there is no room for darkness and shadows and no room for fear.

Every part of our life, our total existence now, and in the future can be determined by our inner life and expression. Your real work is to express God. This is what Jeshua said, "I am come that they might have a full rich and abundant life" You were never meant to suffer. Everywhere Jeshua went he restored, disease melted at his touch, he made whole. No person is born to suffer and decay. Whenever you see truth or goodness it is God finding expression. Wherever you see darkness and no light, it is God unexpressed.

Why would I need to travel in a beat up old truck when God has given me the potential of a Rolls? Why need I be sick when God gives me health? Why need I fear when God is beside me?

I wish you blessings and joy dearest Daf. Most of all I wish you you peace within yourself and true AT-ONE-MENT with God. It is the greatest blessing of all.

posted November 02, 2004 01:56 PM              

It saddens my heart to see your confusion in this matter. My own confusion is evident to you and I both, but yours remains for me to grieve over without you.

Would that I could walk you through my heart for a moment or two and show you how open it is, how truly deep is my empathy for and sympathy for other human beings.

Let Osho be what Osho is meant to be. Let Osho teach to those that would listen. What more could anyone ask for than that Osho play his part in this dance and that we each play our own?

I am no more capable of judging Osho than you are of judging me.

Love,

posted November 02, 2004 02:23 PM            

Also remember Yeshuas story when a lady applied an expensive oil on his head and Judas rebuked. He said "Poor, you shall always have with you. Not me. For the lady is preparing me for the burial" (not exact words)

BTW: I am waiting to watch the movie, Alexander the great on Nov 4th.

posted November 02, 2004 03:19 PM            

I said there is no holiness in poverty as there is no holiness in wealth. It is an expression only. Suffering is not holy, and it might interest you to know that to ease suffering Osho has bulit many hospitals and funded orphanages world wide. How could he do this without wealth? Mother Teresa could not do her work without the supply funds given to her. By the way she often used to travel in a royal car owned by Lady Diana whilst in London. I guess that raised an eyebrow or two.

posted November 02, 2004 04:00 PM            

It means anyone can only influence anyone, as long as they can extend their hand

Its what I call the sphere of influence.

Stand up, stretch up your legs and your hands along the shoulders. Now draw a circle around you. In three dimension, a spehere would result which is called the sphere of influence.

posted November 02, 2004 04:22 PM              

Your understanding of what Jesus sought after, your knowledge of the nature of his mission here on Earth, and your discovery of the location of the Kingdom of God are amazing revelations usually reserved for the Saints, Sages and the Lord himself.

Truly you are blessed to have been endowed with such enlightenment. I am humbled.

Thank you,

posted November 02, 2004 04:47 PM              

Welcome home to peace, love, and harmony. Let the heart will open like a flower.

Jesus said, "Strive to develop that which fire cannot burn." "What is that?" asked the disciples. "Virtue," he said.

Serenity,

posted November 02, 2004 06:20 PM              

"There is no holiness in poverty as there is no holiness in wealth."

You are so wise and have a lovely way with words. Thank you for sharing them with us.

posted November 02, 2004 06:33 PM            

Have to admit. I was reading another old version of the Bible and Jesus says "Blessed are the poor for they will be acquitted."

Acquitted of what? GIA, you do have a valid point there

posted November 02, 2004 06:45 PM              

You might like some of these links. Here's a small blurb from the one below it:

MONEY IS JUST ANOTHER FORM OF ENERGY & GOD'S LOVE

Those who by karma evolve to a more balanced view of money realize that it is just another aspect of the energy of spirit made visible in form. The energy of spirit takes on many forms in the physical world: like love, time, space, and nature to name a few.

No one ever says: "it is bad to have more love in my life... or more time, or more space, or more natural resources that are freely abundant to everyone" like air, sunshine, and so on. In fact, people desperately seek love, take time for granted, occupy space without really noticing it, and ignore nature unless it gets in the way.

No one says "give me less love, less time, less space, and while you are at it, cut down on the air I need to have every moment and without which I will be dead in three minutes". Yet these same people say give me less money when they believe that it is "evil" and will keep them from "being a good person" or from "becoming more spiritual". http://www.healpastlives.com/future/rule/rumoney.htm
http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/2002july-aug.html
Abundance is our birthright: http://www.holistichealthtools.com/abundance.html
http://www.gla.ac.uk/~gbza22/sriordan/ch5.html

posted November 02, 2004 08:03 PM            

I was curious about the many names given to Jesus and found this:

Jesus = 18
Jesus Christ = 18 (we already knew this)

y = j = 1,
so Yeshua = Jeshua = 21 (The Crown of the Magi)
and Yeshua Christ = Jeshua Christ = 12 (the sacrifice/victim)
Also, note that 1 = teacher and 2 student
as Jehovah = Yehovah = 30 (The Loner - Meditation)
For that matter, God = 14 (Movement...Challenge)

My point here is that the names we give add certain inherent beliefs we have about things. I think this is mostly subconcsious, but who's to say? The most common form of "Jesus" is the most common for this reason. The Crown of the Magi fits in the examples you are referring to ("It promises general success, and guarantees advancement, honours, awards, and general elevation in the life and career.") But doesn't exactly fit when contemplating Jesus's fate ("It's a
most fortunate vibration - a number of karmic reward"). My point is, the names we use can influence our outlook. Im' not suggesting you change the names You use, but just that this is interesting.

posted November 02, 2004 08:38 PM            

I am thinking Yeshu does have a divine name in heaven. I don't want to say it, what I am thinking, for being accussed of blasphemy.

posted November 02, 2004 08:52 PM            

This man Zaccheus wanted to see Yeshu. There was a large crowd and he was short. He climbed up the Sycamore tree.

Yeshu spotted him. Zoomed-in on him, of all people. (For those who can hear pay attention to what was said).

Yeshu told him, that he would abide by his house. He didn't care what people said.

When he met Yeshu he said "Lord, I have ever tried to do the right; I give unto the poor half of my goods, and if by any means I wrong a man, I right the wrong by paying him four fold."

and Yeshu replied :

"Your life and faith are known to God, and lo, the benedictions(blessings) of the Lord of hosts abide with you and all your house."

posted November 02, 2004 08:54 PM            

That's very divine really. Their are many names of God and Jesus. You can post what you're thinking. I think the word "blasphemy" has lost some meaning. Dictionary.com said this "A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity" which I don't think you're about to do. Go for it.

posted November 02, 2004 10:30 PM            

BTW - I have changed my yardstick for knowing who is from light and who isn't, based on above thread. Hence I am **deleting** some comments made earlier.

Sorry, If I may have misled people.

posted November 03, 2004 03:46 AM              

"Sometimes it proves the highest understanding not to understand"

(Baltasar Gracian (1601-1658))

posted November 03, 2004 11:45 AM              

With all due respect, your "beloved Jeshua" rode a donkey, not a gilded chariot or a Rolls. All of this but-I'm-trying-to-prove-a-point and it-says-more-about-you-then-me na na na na foolishness put aside, I perceive a contradiction here. Please explain.

Greetings again 26

posted November 03, 2004 11:54 AM            

This makes me ponder, what if the False Christ in heaven inspired people to add to the story. Catholics do say, that Luke who was a physician was divinely inspired. Now you decide what is true.

I think we should only use scriptures to make a point and not take it literally.