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dafremen
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posted December 14, 2003 08:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw my first image from a Thoth Tarot, it was the prince of disks.

Here is the image:

The image looks suspiciously like other depictions I've seen of MITHRAS, so I typed Prince of Disks and Mithras into Google.

Here is the chain of names that unraveled. They are ALL Sun Gods or directly related to the Sun God.

from:
http://www.choronzon.com/brainwav/thoth/thoth.htm

Mithras from The Book of Thoth by Alistair Crowley

Early astronomers calculated that the Sun took 360 days to go round
the Zodiac. This was a closely guarded secret of the learned; so they
concealed it in the divine name Mithras, which adds up, according to
the Greek Convention (M 40---I 10---Th. 9---R 100---A 1---S 200) to 360.
Better observation showed 365 days to be more accurate; so they decided
to call it "Abraxas" (A 1---B 2---R 100---A 1---X 6o---A 1---S 200). When
the others found this out they put themselves right by altering the
spelling of Mithras to Meithras, which adds (like Abraxas) to 365.
In this there is still an error of not quite six hours; so that, in the
course of centuries, the Calendar kept slipping. It did not assume its
present form until the time of Pope Gregory.

from:
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/bldefabraxas.htm

Abraxas, also known as Abrasax, is a Gnostic solar deity related to Mithras
and the Celtic Belenus, as well as Yeshu (Jesus). The word Abraxas was first
proposed by the Alexandrian Gnostic scholar Basilides.

When the numerical values of the Greek letters in Abraxas are added together,
the sum is 365, the number of days in a a solar year.

(NOTE FROM DAF:The only reason Jesus appears in this list is because of what Paul and his fellow conspirators did to the Early Christian Church.)


from:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dungeon/4785/Celtic.html


BELENUS
God of light, The Shining One, associated with Apollo. married to
Belisama. Belenus was the most widely worshipped Celtic God. Belenus
is in charge of welfare of sheep and cattle. Corresponds with Irish
God Bile. The Feast of Beltane means 'Fire of Bel'.


from: http://www.fionabroome.com/history/bel.htm

Bile (or Bel),
the Irish father-god of light, healing, and the Otherworld

Bile - Like Danu, Bile (or Bel) is one of the oldest deities,
with many counterparts in other cultures. Because traditions
developed independently, it can be difficult to determine Bile’s
actual history.

In a simple summary, Bile is the Irish god of the Otherworld, perhaps
the husband of Danu, and therefore titular father of the Tuatha de
Danann. In some traditions, he is called "the Father of Gods and Men."
Bile, also spelled Bel, may be a sun-god, and he is linked to healing,
warmth, and light. He is also a god of death, and accompanies souls to
the Otherworld where he rules. He may be the god of Beltaine, or "the
fires of Bel (Bile)."


Those who want to study Bile/Bel in more detail have a formidable task.

For example, there are many alternative spellings, similar names, and
possibly related gods/heroes: Apollo, Balan (in Mallory), Balar, Balar
Birug-derc, Balin (in Mallory), Balor, Be’al, Beal, Beil, Belatucadrus,
Belenos, Belenus, Beli, Beli the Great (king of Britain), Beli Mawr,
Belinus, Bolur, Cunobelinus (king of Britain), Cymbelline (from Shakespeare’s play),
Grannos, Grannus, Grian, Grianainech (Oghma), Heli
(transcription error in Geoffrey of Monmouth’s history), Lugh,
Moritasgus, Odin, Pelles.


I hope this has proved to be enlightening or at least entertaining.

daf

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desert-rain
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posted December 15, 2003 12:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
greetings dafremen ~

are you suggesting that bel is a demon?

what about the 'lust' card?

this card draws much of its imagery the book of revelations i think.

what make you of this? any connection to mithra?

the thoth deck truly is a beautiful deck, if nothing else.

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posted December 15, 2003 06:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't help it. I like Alistair. I'm ashamed of myself. But there it is. I do.

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dafremen
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posted December 15, 2003 10:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To clarify some things.

Often the impression one gets from information presented as information is a reflecton of their own thoughts or feelings. In this case, the word demon isn't really one that came to mind. When I mention Mithras, or Sun God worship, I am refering to a divergence from honoring the Almighty.

Notice also that I make no judgement of the Thoth tarot. I simply state what had occurred to me, and where the trail led me on my search through google.

This just seemed to be worth mentioning, because there seemed to be the impression that I am judging. Whenever possible I try not to judge people or their ideas. I will, however point out divergence from the Truth whenever I am aware of that divergence and when it seems appropriate.

Judge not, lest ye be judged. After all, to judge you is to judge that which is most dear to me, that which comes from whence I come and returns to where I shall. To judge you, is to judge myself.

Love,

daf

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desert-rain
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posted December 16, 2003 11:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi dafremen ~

sorry! 'demon' came to mind from that 'promoter of capitalist evil' ....tv....from a show i watched recently in which abraxas is actually a demon....

i'm still trying to grasp all the information that seems so relevant that you have posted, and i can't seem to make it cohesive yet....still processing.

anyway, i really thought you might be interested in the card i mentioned, as a lot of what you talk about is the book of revelations.

and i would like know your thoughts on the thoth tarot....it is an intriguing deck. not necessarily judgements, i think, just thoughts. how did you happen to come across the prince of disks?

in the spirit of connecting...

desert-rain

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dafremen
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posted December 16, 2003 12:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny you should ask...

Sitting on the crapper one day, I pulled out that repository of crapper wisdom..the Time-Life Series "Mysteries of the Unknown" (a collection of clues pulled together from the four corners of the globe by people who appear to be clueless, but who were, perhaps just in a huge hurry to put out a book on the occult to catch the rising wave of "New Age" popularity after the Reagans mentioned consulting an astrologer.) Cracking open this book, the FIRST picture that appeared before me was the Prince of Disks. That is, therefore, my entire familiarity with the Thoth Tarot. The book of Revelation is of secondary concern to me really. I don't subscribe to Christian doctrine nor do I put much faith in any of the words of men. This feeling inside is my guide and God is it's source.

Still, I like to find clues, and I'll find those clues wherever they happen to be. If that's Revelation, if it's Linda's books, if it's a tarot deck..it really doesn't matter. As what's his name (Fox Mulder?) from that show the X-files said, the Truth is out there.

The problem has never really been finding the Truth...many people have found it, the problem has always been explaining the Truth and demonstrating it.

When it all comes down to it, none but a very few of these posts of mine have been anything but a distraction. The ones that were of value were those that warned (about the coming changes) and those that described the reality, which is that you and I are products of sentient control and perception mechanisms gone haywire; there is in fact, only God. All of the rest of it, I suppose, in the end, only amounts to interesting tidbits to bump up my post count.

Love to ya..if I seem a bit short, it's because I walked about 15 miles yesterday delivering warning messages and I only got about 100 out. 4900 to go. I've got 1000 to fold and tear by hand today because I don't have a paper cutter.

The ego has been a bit feisty and resistant these last couple of days. Please accept my apologies.

One drop in an endless ocean that loves you,

daf

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posted December 16, 2003 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The ego has been a bit feisty and resistant these last couple of days

{{{hugs}}} Dear Daf


I noticed , but I don`t see it as 'ego' rather as fatigue, exasperation and perhaps a quiet fear. You have a mighty message to get out and it must lay very heavy[ the trust placed] upon your dear soul.

Forge ahead in faith and fortitude and k-now we love you!

I hope my adjectives didn`t appear as if I was judging you/what you`re feeling. Just a limited understanding of a weary two legged soul

juniperb

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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot

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dafremen
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posted December 17, 2003 12:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much juni..you have been such a good and patient friend to me here at
Lindaland, along with so many others.

There is something that I've been feeling is related to this..it has to do with the sitting around, waiting to deliver this message. It's been excruciating. As the need to go out and deliver this has eaten away at my insides, I have sat around; eating and sitting, sitting and eating. The whole while, deep down I have felt the ego and the self growing stronger inside of me.

As I behave more like the darkness of which this body is composed, a stationary consumer, I have felt that darkness growing and gaining strength wthin me. Having known about and felt this for a couple of days, yesterday I made a conscious effort to move my butt out the door and start delivering the message. Today we finished printing and cutting 1000 messages. Tonite, I cease the consumption and go back to the regimen of fruit juices and tea, which has been so helpful in reducing the strength of the ME in me.

Again, thank you so much for your empathy and love juniper berry..you are, as are so many here, a very special light without which Lindaland would be a significantly dimmer place.

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posted January 11, 2004 02:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*edited*
never mind, I got it

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posted October 26, 2004 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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One drop in an endless ocean that loves you

One drip at a time

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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot

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magidivision
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posted October 27, 2004 05:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings Seekers,

There is a man among you who does not know love, yet professes love.

There is a man among you who does not know light, yet he steals it from others.

There is a man among you who does not know service, yet he claims to work.

There is a man among you who does not the Way, yet expounds the Tradition.

He does not know. But he has learned the ways of deception, of lust, and of cunning. Prepare the eyes and ears of your heart and you will see the form of what truly lies behind his friendly overtures, his helpful advice, his false innocence which he had studied and learned from his victims.

Hear the noise behind his lilting speech, and you will hear calculated softness muffling the quiet scraping blades.
Listen to the teaching stories he uses and feel how he drips comfortable confusion into the gaping mouths of the stealthy ego.
Look into his darkened frozen eyes, see the serpent writhing behind his lips.
Listen to his laugh when he laughs with you, there is no life, only the disguise to hide his empty void.
Hear the flat words he mouths, masquerading the masters, Essence, Service, Virtue, Rules, Service, Sincerity, but there is only one word behind them. Betrayal.

He allies with the darkest part of you and tells you are allying with the highest part of yourself. But look around the ones who look upon you with true love and innocence, and you will hear them speak not of high or low.

He will tell you to bare your soul to him and you will have stripped yourself of your soul for him. And for that, he will claim to give you the power to change and control your destiny. But look around the ones who are the strongest and you shall see the ones who are soft and weak when burned in the fires of Divine Love.

As he saves you, he is teaching to you to burn alive those who are in your heart. But he will deafen their cries so you hear nothing of their pain. But will you know as he plays the double agent to the last gasp?

There is a man among you who speaks of honey, yet he offers you poisoned honey so that you will still taste sweetness.

Seekers, there is a false teacher among you. When you feel your soul darkening, know that he is there to cultivate that darkness and flood it with false color and light.

There is a false physician among you. If he has touched your heart, he has defiled it.

The false physician cures not, he only anesthetizes you while he prepares to devour you.

Serenity,

Master


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posted October 27, 2004 10:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who is this masked man?

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posted October 27, 2004 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No worries The Heart always Knows.

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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot

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posted October 27, 2004 11:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's right!

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Sheaa Olein
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posted October 27, 2004 11:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*edit*

Bah.. don't worry

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posted October 27, 2004 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iAmThat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
God is not author of confusion.

Magidivision, your this post is proving you are not only Egoistical as by your previous posts, but also Judgemental. A true Master, Jesus never rebuked his enemies. I, and I am sure many, would like to know on whose authority have you come to preach/heal in Lindaland? And if you did come, then stop playing games. And be direct.

If I was a Master as you said you are. I would have revealed my identity, and not come snooping here like a thief in the night.

Sorry for the harsh words but you are proving to be "battameez". A prophets witness is his words. And your words sometimes indicate the dark side of you.

If a blind man follows a blind man they both fall in the pit. Are you blind?


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Iamthat

You say:

A prophets witness is his words. And your words sometimes indicate the dark side of you.

Please show me the darkside of Magidivisions words, often times I am guilty of being blind and perhaps this is one of them, because all I can see is love pure love. So if you see something more please show me what you see.

love

Orchid xx

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posted October 27, 2004 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iAmThat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Orchidspirit,
He is afraid of someone. Fear itself comes from being dark. Someone really from light is fearless.

Secondly, he mentioned theres only him, Ushu and Sai baba (I am assuming he is referring to Sathya sai baba). Later he corrected himself that he only travelled with them. Sathya sai baba is supposedly a pervert. Refer to the link I provided in his Guru post.

He has referred to only Jesus and has not yet uttered the holy word word "Christ". I am not sure yet, but have fear, that he may be a antichrist.

Also Islam forbids Sorcery or other witchcrafts. I wonder from where he got his powers from?

When someone is fasting they don't broadcast that they are fasting. He is a hypocrite.

Well theres more. I haven't formed an opinion of him yet. But I felt it was fair that I tell him what I feel about him at this point.

Also there are two types of Mystics, Good and Evil. I haven't decided which one is this Magidivision.


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posted October 27, 2004 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blessedly, God/Dess will do the deciding

Let go and let God.

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posted October 27, 2004 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iAmThat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Juni. I have always maintained it.
I thought I could listen to the Islam teachings from him as I haven't studied it well enough. But I am glad now. I don't want to study from a book fallen into hands of eye-for-an-eye type of men. These men would change the word of God for their own benefit.

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They speak the word of God, yet their heart is far away from him.

This goes for all kinds of scriptures, I am not targetting a particular one.

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A fools mind is at the mercy of his tongue and a wise mans tongue is under the control of his mind

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Orchid - A fool may be more right in the eyes of God than an wise man, when all he does is, acknowledges he is a fool, in front of God. Therefore never contempt.

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Let him who has ears listen.

Oops I better stop being a critique before he, becomes perfect having coming to know his imperfections. Hope he does not go to similar Lindalands with an improvised version and has followers there.

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posted October 27, 2004 03:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings All,

As always, confused people will see one dimensionally. This is not the full story. The man mentioned in the post was having an affair with a married woman who had children.

In her confusion, she told him, "But I'm not divorced yet."

He said, "Since I am above religion, no sin can be committed by me or by you."

When her husband confronted him and told that man she would return to her family so he should stay away, that man said, "First I am going use my guidance to prepare her for her return."

And he continued to pursue her.

When she said, "I want to be out of this Jerry Springer lifestyle" he was still persistent.

There are many, many baser parts to this story than what I have said. The spiritual field is not a place to practise infidelity and then stand up and say, "I know the way one cleanses oneself" and make a list of rules to achieve enlightenment.

It is very different when one says the words and when one practises the words. People run away from religion because of this kind of hypocrisy. The New Age is based on mysticism was a break away from religion to offer honesty, trust, loyalty, peace, unity, honor, harmony.

A man of spirit online and offline will not see a member of an opposite sex and try to use guile and spirituality to practise sexual predation. A man of God only sees soul, not the sexual object of his lust.

I feel sorry for this person. But I feel sorrier for the children of this lady and all turmoil they went through and are still going through.

Rumi talks about a man who was having an affair with a woman. He didn't want his wife to know and devised a plan. He told her whatever she saw on a certain tree, called the Tree of Deception, was her own confusion and illusion, not reality. He took her there and climbed on top of the tree. He had already placed the other woman in the higher branches of the tree to have relations with her while his wife watched from below. As his wife was watching and describing what she saw to him, he called out, "Wife, see how your eyes deceive you?"

Everything was said to this false teacher/physician that I spoke of that what he was doing was wrong yet he continued to try and guide people to his truth.

I want you to go and tell nervous children of the woman's family that there is no dark side and the one who is dark is Magidivision.

IamThat, if you read my posts carefully, you will see I told you Sai Baba and Ushu were false teachers and the true teacher was Linda Goodman. I urge you to read that post again. When I said I travelled with Sai Baba/Ushu as well as Linda Goodman, I wanted to show that there are two sides: the corrupted and the clean. There are valuable lessons in this story for him, you, and I.

It is easy to preach, it is difficult to practise.

"Every man is an extension of a woman and a woman is a perfect manifestation of the Divine." (Quran)

Christ was a manifestation of the good deeds of Mary. Mary was the perfect manifestation of God.

Men, by corrupting women, are destroying the fabric of spirituality on earth. You cannot use the emotional state of a woman to take advantage of them.

Serenity,

Master

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posted October 27, 2004 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sheaa, thank you for the hug

and many hugs back to you


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Men, by corrupting women, are destroying the fabric of spirituality on earth.

Only if women allow themselves to be corrupted.

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You cannot use the emotional state of a woman to take advantage of them.

Correct. Unless they let you.

It takes two to tango.


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