posted January 30, 2009 04:57 AM            

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Well, so far I have studied only successful couples. However, these couples also have many "relationship breakers" missing in their charts like Merc sq Mars, Moon sq Mars, Mars sq Uranus etc.

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Are you saying that any one of these squares makes for a doomed relationship?

posted January 30, 2009 05:14 AM            

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Myths were transmitted orally, what if the narrators did not word properly all that they did not comprehend?

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If the narrators did not word properly what they did not comprehend and these myths are being used as the basis of this research, then it invalidates the purpose of the myths in translation to the asteroids, and how they are being used here.

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Jupiter is not that benevolent in myths but actual astrological study would show that Jupiter is truly beneficial, even in squares and oppositions.

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Exactly!

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What if Pluto requested Persephone to pretend to be kidnapped, as an elaborate drama?

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I know that you're trying to say that Pluto/Persephone/Proserpina could well have actually loved each other purely from their own hearts and just that it wasn't written or presented that way due to the limitations in the beliefs/understanding of the writers and the philosophy of the day. But equally, if you're going to start throwing around hypotheticals, you have to be open to any possibilities, including ones that don't support your arguments. Those what ifs are absolutely limitless.

So that leaves us with what we do have - how it was written. And we use the myths to convey the meaning of the asteroids. Which takes us back to the start. That this love is not one from the heart.

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There is no myth at all which speaks of total, holistic, unconditional love without the need for sacrifice.

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posted January 30, 2009 05:18 AM            

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but actual astrological study would show that Jupiter is truly beneficial, even in squares and oppositions

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posted January 30, 2009 05:24 AM              

I wish to share my jealously guarded secret of possibly the greatest 20th century twin flame relationship. A demi god and his loyal, devoted, loving wife. An Australian Couple, more than 70 happily married years and a chance meeting at age 10 or 11 that was love at first sight for the boy from Bowral. I am talking of Sir Don Bradman and Lady Jesse Bradman.
His Pluto exactly squares her Proserpine.
Composite Pluto exactly sextiles Persephone.
You wont find Lady Jesse's natal info anywhere on the web, I had to write several times to the Bradman Foundation President to get the info. This will be presented in my e-book, its a pity that I could not get the birth times, else the twin flame mystery would have been solved.

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posted January 30, 2009 05:26 AM            

What happens when an Aries dares a Sagi?

posted January 30, 2009 05:56 AM            

I don't know anything about Sir Donald and his wife and I haven't researched their astrology as you have - so armed with no facts or figures, that's not a point I'm going to disagree with you on. You have done your research there and I respect that. I do wonder though, how does anyone know that there there were never any affairs? And maybe that's the thing with all these theories, is that we see the public face of them and take them as such, but we don't really know what goes on underneath, behind the scenes, under the sheets even, anywhere in private. And what we see is what we are shown to see. Using these people as examples, how do we really know their true dynamics?

What you said about them meeting at a young age and clicking then, of course, that appeals to the romantic in me. I love that. If I had to say how I think twinflames work, then that would be it. You meet, you click. But you can have that dynamic with anyone. And being married to someone for 70 years or any amount of time can come about for any number of reasons - true love, convenience, fear, sense of duty, stigma, etc.

posted January 30, 2009 06:42 AM              

if you do not believe in all this,why do you try to condemn all IQ´s researches?

In my own opinion,most of us have been finding some very special realities,that without IQ´s help,we would never have found.

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If you do not believe in all this,why do you try to condemn all IQ´s researches?

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Oh, I'm not condemning IQ's research at all. And he knows that.

Some of it I don't agree with because it doesn't fit with me and my perception, but the rest I'm trying to understand - and fit. But I'm not going to take it on face value either. So this is an open discussion. And that's all it is.

posted January 30, 2009 07:11 AM              

OH i see.i thought you were -my mistaken sorry.

So your doubts are all about the Story of the Myth that dont translate the Twin Soul transcendental love?

posted January 30, 2009 07:19 AM            

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OH i see.i thought you were -my mistaken sorry.

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No worries. It's hard with this format because you just get the written word without the tone of it or the knowledge of the person. It's hard to translate sometimes. And I use very direct language so it can seem combative when it's not. Mercury in Aries in 1st - it happens.

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So your doubts are all about the Story of the Myth that dont translate the Twin Soul transcendental love?

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Yes, exactly. I'm just questioning that. Because I think that a lot of people reading this thread will be really looking for that one true love - the twinflame - and will be using this research to attribute to that. But when you look at the myth - it doesn't fit with what I would call true love becuase it was by Cupid's arrow - someone elses will - that they fell in love, etc. So I'm thinking, it's not from their heart, but by external forces. And if that's the case, then how can it relate to twinflame/soulmate love? If people are using it as such, I want to make sure that that is what these asteroids really mean. Because you can play with all the variants of astrology until you make it the way you want it to be. There has to be some kind of "truth" somewhere. I think it's important to be objective when we're looking at these asteroids - especially with something that is so important to so many people.

posted January 30, 2009 07:41 AM              

I think I have a different understanding on how mythology works though.

The Gods and Godesses are not nor have ever been external really existant entities.

My take on this is a different one:
People observed feelings they had inside, certain traits and so on, and to communicate them they projected them on mythological figures.

The Gods and Goddesses are actually just an image, a reflection of what we have inside. They are metaphors or symbols of true feelings and traits (BTW in my understand astrology works the same way).

The people realized there was an aggressive urge inside them that could get at times destructive, and they named the symbol of that aggressive urge MARS for example.

People observed they fell in love, helplesslessly without being able to resist, comparable only to being shot by an arrow (which you don`t choose and which also changes your life in an instant) and the symbol for this (in the erotic sense) was Eros.

First and foremost the Gods and Goddesses are living WITHIN ourself as urges, feelings and so on.

It`s all just metaphorical.

So, as I believe this, for me there is no contradiction. I understand that if you believe otherwise, of course, it must seem forced.
To me it is not an external force, but the inner urge with the name of Eros.

But speaking wiithin the context of the myth, I agree, PA, the Pluto-Persephone myth starts as obsession, not love. Pluto is obsessed.
The intriguing thing to me is the way it transforms, how Persephone grows to love him and refuses to leave him again. How she becomes the revered and feared queen of the underworld, with an outstanding knowledge in witchcraft and the dark side, yet also keeping the springlike innocence alive.
Through this transformation she becomes complete, experiencing both sides of life: the darkness in the underworld as well as the lightness of the world of day.

One more thing: Pluto - Persephone may appear in synastries of Twinflames (honestly; I doubt if you really can see twinflames through astrology, but I WANT to be convinced otherwise), but not every synastry with that aspect may be twinflames.

That is why I have been doing the four chart comparisions. In all cases there were these aspects, in two cases there were even DW`s.

It`s a hint, yes, but it cannot be the ONLY hint. It would be too easy to reduce it to only one factor.

BUT I believe there is a pattern which can hint at soulmates, we only have to find it yet. That is what we are doing here, at least I do. I am searching.

BTW I do not believe in neverending bliss between Twinsouls except for after the reunion of them.

posted January 30, 2009 07:49 AM              

Of course we don`t KNOW if those couples are twinsouls.

Also, I think that some soulmates meet for a short time and others have an extended stay to make the experiences they have or want to make.

So, have Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward been Twinflames?
I am not to know.
Maybe they were just soulmates to stay together for this life.

But seriously, what matters is that they loved each other and were happy.

PA,

I love your question about how a Twinflame meeting feels. And I really would like to hear about real experiences, in a way that I can comprehend them.
Maybe my mind is just too slow or unimaginative, but I can`t do much with those theories.

Wrap the experiences up into words I can understand or even in images (as the mythwriters did). Compare it to physical events people experience, like electricity or water or something like that.
That`s the only way we can be sure we are talking about approximately the same thing.