posted July 31, 2010 08:38 AM            

For me it looks like science fiction. I lose the trustworthiness complete when I not can anchor it in my life. Does everyone believe on this?. Where are the fact to the reality?

posted July 31, 2010 08:41 AM            

BTW a conscious rejection of even thinking about abuse (not even possible abuse of yourself, but of others, too), is a decision to deal with that energy, too. In this case in "not dealing".

EDIT:
I do NOT think that someone with strong Nessus will necessarily become a criminal.

posted July 31, 2010 08:46 AM            

I think Nessus definitely resonates within you.
Why else would you ahve participated on this thread so strongly?

You also said, that it is through pain that you listen to your feelings.
WEll, that is nessus, too, isn`t it?

Going back to the myth - Nessus lusted after Deijanira and so tried to simply take her.

I think that could show something about Nessus psychological mechanism, too.
Whenever he wants something, he doesn`t care about the other person`s wishes or wellbeing or laws or anything like that.

So Nessus maybe could also simply indicate a "ruthless wanting".
Maybe that is the reason it sometimes also shows a strong attraction to someone?

I think in synastry it is best if both charts are "equally strong", so neither can get the upper hand, because then things might get really unbalanced and may even ahve extreme consequences.
But if the power is balanced, I wouldnīt be too worried.

But I definitely take note of exact aspects of several "bad guys" in the sky.
HOnestly, one Nessus-aspect doesnt really shake me out of my lethargy.
But if I see several exact Nessus square added to exact Pluto-squares and Lucifer and Nemesis-squares, I would feel inclined to pay a bit more attention.

BTW my Mum`s Nessus conjuncts my Dad`s Karma, squares my Dad`s Venus exactly, my Dad`s Jupiter by 2 degrees and my Dad`s Pluto by 3 degrees (which is a bit wide I admit).
She certainly never abused him, but it is undeniable that she has a powerful hold over him and that she is quite posessive of him

posted July 31, 2010 11:28 AM            

I cannot decide about fantasy or fact. I can only share my views and how I experience something.

I just don`t think the interpretation of anything in astrology is black or white, there are different shades of grey within BUT the Black is also part of the spectre, just not the total spectre.

Was that too metaphorical now?

IQ,

btw I once read an article on asteroids (I think it might have been by Leeman) and rape / killings. He mentioned that the asteroid PECKER played a vital role (at least synastrically) in killings with a sexual background and also rape attempts. this was true for the perpator`s as well as the victim`s chart.
Did you notice that, too?

I don`t know how big his sample of researched charts was, though. So Itook this with a grain of salt.

(I just noticed that Pecker is conjunct my Nessus by 3 degrees - so hopefully it is without significance ).

Ami Ann,

posted July 31, 2010 11:32 AM            

Ami

posted July 31, 2010 12:12 PM            

But I also mean that sick psychiatric people are out of control. One sick or psycotisk individual have a normal chart like all of us. They also have black, grew and white and so on. This kind of sickness not for me astrology.

Astrology are not a science.

Psychiatry are science. That's not includes on tested science.

Sorry but I cant include psyciatri on the same as astrology.

Thank you DD but I leave this tread here and now

posted July 31, 2010 12:19 PM            

"Astrology are not a science"
This is where I disagree with most people, non astrologers as well astrologers.

AStrology IS a science.

posted July 31, 2010 01:49 PM            

quote:

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Nessus represents, or arrives nearby, some of the darkest attributes of our sexual reality: deception, revenge, rape, the fear of diseases (and their reality); everything we connect with genital anxiety. Nessus is associated with potentially inappropriate sexual contacts, of which we have defined many many many in our society

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Ami

posted July 31, 2010 02:17 PM            

Some of the stuff that I am reading is more like science fiction, especially when there is talk about alien DNA programming and conspiracy theories.

A New name...Astro-Scientology.

If skeptics read these threads, I think that these posts would add to their cause of Astrology as being a pseudoscience. At times, I think it is. Maybe that's Skepticus oppose Astrowizard. Maybe it's just my Saturn oppose Neptune. Maybe it's my just being influenced by Geoffrey Dean who was a professional astrologer that turned into a major critic of Astrologers.

Another thing, some people use Astrology to validate some glorious pastlife like being a king or some great pharaoh. There isn't any scientific proof for reincarnation. Just because most people on the planet might believe in reincarnation doesn't even mean it's true. A majority of people on the planet used to believe that the Earth was flat. A majority of people on the planet used to believed in the geocentric system was reality as in the Sun and planets really did evolve around the Earth.

Chiron was thought to be a visitor from outside our solar system, and I wouldn't be surprised if some astrologers still believe that. It was once thought that Pluto was a planet and that it was the Planet X, and that's not true as Pluto is not as big as our Earth as it was once thought, and there were calculation errors on Neptune that led to the hypothesis of Planet X.

Astrologers haven't discovered any of the outer planets,centaurs,asteroids,and transneptunians. They certainly haven't discovered any of the black holes,quasars,pulsars,galactic anomalies,nor any of the over 400 planets outside our solar system. Astronomers did. They didn't do it by using the ecliptic longitude coordinates that astrologers use to look at charts. Astronomers used the longitude and latitude equatorial coordinates of Right Ascension and Declination when finding objects in space through telescopes.

I really don't trust psychiatry. It's not even close to being an exact science even though it's a branch of medicine. However, I definitely don't trust Astrology for looking at psychiatric disorders either. The chart of a person with a psychiatric disorder can be very similar to the chart of a person with a neurological difference because the symptoms/traits of psychiatric disorders are very similar to the symptoms/traits of neurological differences including things like disorganization, memory/concentration problems,speech irregularities,emotional disturbances, and hypersensitivity. Autism was thought to be a type of schizophrenia. Even now, it's treated with anti-psychotics like Risperdal. Before I learned about neurodivergence, I was into the Astro-Psychology of Glenn Perry who believed that Astrology could be used as a diagnostic tool. I used to believe that it could be used as a diagnostic tool, but I changed my mind. There are just too many variables.

Some people don't understand that there are people that are seriously mentally ill, and that it has nothing to do with conspiracy theories and alien DNA programming. There are people that hurt people without any remorse. That's not some conspiracy and alien DNA programming. Many people persecuted and killed other people without remorse in the name of God. They have oppressed people through their religious beliefs. Slavery,segregation, and lynching have been done without remorse too.

Can't some people just be people that do bad things to others and are responsible for their own actions? Some people are just sociopaths. They don't have remorse for doing bad things.

Some mentally ill people are a danger to society. Some of these people even believe in the alien DNA programming and conspiracy theories, but it doesn't mean that the stuff is true.

Conspiracy theories are nothing new in politics like Barack Obama actually being a native Kenyan that hates white people and plans on being a black Hitler who will become a dictator and treat white people the way that Hitler treated the Jews. Stuff like that bothers me. It only takes one crazy person to act on those beliefs and try to assassinate him. He's already had a bunch of death threats since he ran for president. Of course, George W. Bush was also compared to Hitler too,and there were conspiracy theories about him too. I am not for liberal conspiracy theories nor am I for conservative conspiracy theories.
I don't believe that the US Govt. made AIDS to kill off all the black people either. I do believe that racism in USA is a still a big problem, and that has nothing to do with conspiracy theories. It doesn't have anything to do with any biases based on my being part black.

When I read the stuff that is on these forums, I don't blame people for believing that Astrology is pseudoscience.

When I read stuff here, I am like......"I am glad Astrology isn't recognized as a science" I don't want some Astro-Gattica where we judge people based on their charts and that our futures are predetermined.

I don't believe that we can distinguish the chart of a victim from the chart of a perpetrator. Many victims have been victims in the past too. A victim can be a perpetrator.
If there is a belief in pastlives, then the belief of the victim having a pastlife as a perpetrator is not far-fetched. The same can go for a perpetrator having a pastlife as a victim. The astrological chart would be able to show those factors.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 31, 2010 02:39 PM            

"Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge. This system uses observation and experimentation to describe and explain natural phenomena. The term science also refers to the organized body of knowledge people have gained using that system. Less formally, the word science often describes any systematic field of study or the knowledge gained from"

I donīt see how this clashes with astrology. ?
http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/science-definition.html

i am also sceptical towards sceptisism, as much as I am sceptical towards blindly buying anything.
Centuries ago sceptics were claiming that the earth was flat.

Sometimes sceptics are right, sometimes not. But just because a sceptic sais something, it doesn`t make me believe nor disbelieve anything.
And just because a believer sais something, it doesn`t make me believe nor disbelieve anything either.

I am my "measure". Through logic and (own) experience. Of course I know that this is a subjective approach, but then again almost everything human is.

posted July 31, 2010 02:53 PM            

For one who has so much written antipathy towards astrology as a science, I just don't understand what value you get from Linda Land's astrology forums. I take it, as per your own admission that all your natal chart interpretations and readings ever done for self or others are bogus and psuedo whatever? Plus you admit you distrust psychiatry [which is based on the work of pioneering Psychologists].
Will any reader on this forum ever take anything you write on astrology seriously again? You utterly DISRESPECT our forum with anti-astrology posts. And you claim to study astrological effects of trans-Neptunians, that is very disturbing, why waste your time [which can be spent as a Neurodiversity Advocate] on a "non-science" ?

Is Astrology a valid science or not ? Yes or No? I say YES. Tobey has proved it mathematically. I have proved it mathematically. Take a stand either way, and then we can have an intelligent discussion.

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http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html

posted July 31, 2010 02:58 PM            

no, I do not believe this.

Exact aspects play a role certainly, but you can`t just see this one placement and judge because of this one aspect.

I really think you have to take into account the other planets making aspects to this one.

But there ARE no other apsects from his chart, are there?
Are there squares from his Nessus to other personal planets in your chart? Or even quinkunxes?

And even more important what do your instincts tell you? Are you looking for a reason to detach from him and turn to astrology to give you that reason?
You do not need a reason, your instincts / feelings are reason enough.
And if you feel he is a genuinely good guy, though a bit rude at times, trust this instinct, too.

Usually the astrology will describe what you already know inside very clearly, if it conflicts very much, then either there are some pieces missing in the astrology or interpretation, or you are not aware of what you feel. But I do not believe that.

Let me reiterate it: ONE ASTROLOGICAL ASPECT ALONE does NOT make a WHOLE chart, not even a pattern!

If you reread what IQ wrote here and in the other threads, he always mentioned SEVERAL near to exact harsh aspects involving "harsh planets / asteroids / energies".

posted July 31, 2010 03:11 PM            

x o

Ami

posted July 31, 2010 03:26 PM            

if you are having issues, everyone is.

Actually I think that is true, everyone is having issues of some kind.

posted July 31, 2010 03:28 PM            

I am gonna stop worrying about Nessus and go read my Pluto book .

Ami

posted July 31, 2010 03:42 PM            

And lol

No need to not think about Nessus. I just think that sometimes we tend to direct magnifying glasses onto certain asteroids and overdramatize and somehow blow them out of proportions.

Does not mean they have no significance. They certainly have. But so have all the other things.

posted July 31, 2010 04:06 PM            

I feel like it's fair to say astrology is a science. It will NEVER be seen as one by the scientific community though because of one reason. There is NOT ONE agreed system of measurement. Look at all the house systems, zodiacs, techniques, and what each individual astrologer agrees to be important and unimportant. But that is actually the beauty of astrology and why I always keep coming back. There are too many variables in astrology because it's the study of the soul, something only God is free to judge and keep track of "number every hair on your head" so to speak.

Anyone remember the volcano experiment with baking soda when you were little like this one? http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howtos/ht/buildavolcano.htm

This is what scientist want. Follow the agreed system of measurement and each and every time time you get the same results. The soul and universe is too complex for this to happen each and every single time in the exact same way. BUT, we do find patterns and themes. Like reading a mystery novel we find clues in charts helping to solve and understand the mysteries of the world.

And don't let us forget, that the study and practice of medicine which is a part of the scientific community is known as not only a health science but is also known as the "medical arts". All doctors have different perceptions, treatments, and views of certain diagnosis. A very professional doctor who has had his own practice for many years can completely miss a diagnosis when one who is completely "green" can find it on the first visit. Send different tests to different specialist and they are likely to diagnose you with something that they are familiar with in their realm of study/practice. Give two people who have a disease a drug for treatment for the same disease and one might benefit while the other suffers serious side effects. Do these variables mean medicine shouldn't be a science? Is it incomplete? Depends on your view. But just like astrology many factors are at play here and this is why I think astrology is science and art combined just like the study of medicine.

posted July 31, 2010 04:08 PM            

agree with you.

posted July 31, 2010 04:21 PM            

DD, correctly explained. My approach is like a lab test, starting with one exact dangerous aspect, then checking to see if 3 or more dangers exist. And even after that, the chart of a victim and abuser may look identical because astrology works on vibrations and vibrations have Polarities.

Common sense tells us that in a Man's world, if a young girl's chart is afflicted, she will be more likely a victim than abuser.
And if it is a single middle aged man with no relationships and no job or a history of alcohol/stress management issues, then the same chart will indicate higher chances of an abuser than victim.

And then again, all afflictions can be healed, for victim and potential abuser.