posted August 06, 2010 08:04 AM            

In the nessus forum period transit Nemesis conj my makemake/SUN/AC. I've total disagree everything IQ write on here in that time. Now I think about what he mean behind the word and see it on another way even if my view not is the same as hims.

posted August 06, 2010 09:05 AM            

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Free will is the ultimate factor
it's up to the individual making the choice of how to use their Nessus energies
that's with any heavenly body object energies
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Correct. And as an observer, I see that the probability of the Free Will of an individual choosing the dark aspects of Nessus increases with every other harsh aspect in the chart.

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Yesterday, my mother asked me the question that everyone asks,"What about free will?"
Your post above is as a good explanation of an explanation as I have ever heard.
Thank you ,IQ

posted August 06, 2010 11:02 AM            

If we are healthy I think everyone have the capacity to use their own control and can make the free will on a good and positive way.

When you lose your own control you lose your free will.

posted August 06, 2010 11:18 AM            

Let`s say, I have the option between reading a book on architecture and watching TV. I can do both - that is my free will.
So with my free will I pick up the book on architecture. That was my free decision.

posted August 06, 2010 12:47 PM            

What do you think?

Ami

posted August 06, 2010 12:57 PM            

Only an enlightened mind will ask this question.

Possible Answer:
The degree of your Spiritual Consciousness made available to the Brain determines your Free Will.

The dumb masses free will is determined by conditioning from peers. Many times by Lunar Transits.

Somewhat enlightened masses free will is determined by media programming, and transits of planets upto Mars.

Educated people who are objective and try to read between the lines, their free will choices are determined by advanced conditioning of high level books, Asteroids, Jupiter, Saturn, and perhaps a bit of Uranus.

The ones who have felt their Spirit and the chakras, their Free Will transcends Earthly programming. It can be conditioned by dreams and 4th D Astral Plane impulses. Centaurs, Uranus and Neptune will dominate their astrological conditioning. They feel their Pluto.

The one's willing to transform and connect to God Source, willing to voluntarily do good karmic acts to cleanse all debts, raise Kundalini and live with full Pineal Gland awakening, these people have Free Will "freed" from any conditioning. They have to transcend their Pluto. They then come under the 5th D Higher Self, which acts purely on Divine Inspiration.

A 5th D aware Soul, when given a choice between TV and a book, she will choose either one with full awareness of why she chose what she chose, and will seek higher insights from the choice. She chooses truly for the sake of experience and not under any impulse or conditioning.

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posted August 06, 2010 01:02 PM            

I see a certain aspect a bit like a spiral.
You can maybe choose on what "level" you will express the aspect, but ONLY within the interpretaion frame of the aspect.

That is the reason we have to go to the core of the meaning of planets and aspects.

Another example:
4th house is often seen as the area where you will find your family.

But that is already a deduction from the core meaning.

4th house is at the core of your chart, since your chart represents YOU / your soul / your person, there you find the core of YOUR being.

Most people connect to their core or dare to show their core only in the private circle of a family - that is how the interpretation 4th house = family came about.

But this 4th house cannot be reduced to the family-theme.

The same goes for Nessus.
If other objects than planets are really valid (that is the premise here, asteroids, transneptunians, centaurs, dwarf planets etc. really work),
then whenever you have an exact Nessus-aspect, it WILL find its expression (and be it in suppressing it).

And now the important question is what is at the CORE Of Nessus, what is his pure symbolism?

This is a good question actually.

I think (but I am only juggling ideas like anyone else here), that at the core of NESSUS is WANT, even more so WANT NO MATTER WHAT.

No matter if it is appropriate, no matter if the other person reciprocrates my feelings, no matter if my in-laws have been cursing me from the day I met my sweetheart, because I am not good enough for him etc.

Now this WANT *can* lead into abusive situations, but it could also be lead into a posessive, allconsuming passion (if both people feel the same WANT for example). But Nessus does not really care if the other person sais YES or NO.

Now that is Nessus on a pure level; but of course NEssus is not alone in a chart, he works in combination with other influences.
If there are many more aspects or constellations implying a disrespect for other people`s wishes, THEN Nessus could have the horrible consequences as IQ described here.
But I also believe that there are mitigating factors which could mellow Nessus down, keep him in check.

And then on top of that you can choose how you will express that Nessus energy, but it will not just go away because we don`t want it to be there. WE have to find a way to express it in more useful and supportive ways, without denying its existence.
To do so it probably helps being aware of it in the first place.

So what I wanna say is that the free will is limited to the Nessus-spiral - you can choose HOW this energy will be expressed, but you cannot choose for it to not be there. It is, no matter how you wish it might just POOF into air.

Also, the other thing I meant to say, that limits free will is our character, our experiences, our thought pattern. THAT is the fate that determines us, and that is something that is very difficult to break through.

Let`s pick such a sick individual, who has been killing a woman.
He had the choice to kill her or to not kill her. If he did kill her, it was his choice, HIS free will, and this is ONE possible expression of Nessus; as I think very much on the bottom of the spiral of possible expressions.

So, the question is how can we express Nessus in more useful ways?

posted August 06, 2010 01:06 PM            

Respectfully and Kind of in Awe lol
Ami

posted August 06, 2010 01:08 PM            

Exactly what I usually do. I often when picking up something wonder: why do I want to read that book now?

posted August 06, 2010 01:46 PM            

I like different views. I do not want to get someone angry to me or I do not want to be stupid to anyone. I only want to know more and see how other people think.

In every science everything be in document overhaul and classify on a specifik way as it always did.

Does anyone know where I can find all the evidence and all the test wich make this to a science? All the test there all the evidence done and prove conclusively.

Includes asteroids in the tested science?

posted August 07, 2010 04:10 AM            

Scientists measure the effect within certain boundary conditions.
Astrology is a science of psychological planetary impulses. It works subjectively, so you cannot measure it like a restricted scientific study. You can however consistently measure the long term effects. Like how there are always disasters during Saturn-Uranus opposition [Notice the catastrophic floods in Pakistan].

Most astrologers predicted a disaster during this opposition, and when you predict apriori and get the result, it is very much a science.
You can see the accurate earthquake predictions on "The Axis of Earthquake" thread as well.

Astrology wont be advertized or marketed as a science by Oxford and Cambridge etc. If you want their consent for accepting it as a science, then you will have to wait for eternity. Newton was an astrologer and occultist. He has written 10 times more on such subjects but we dont get to see those untranslated latin works. The materialistic scientific community is scared of astrology, spirituality etc, especially when their hero is an astrologer. They want an atheistic world without a Soul.

We on the other hand have awareness of the Soul and hence we can trust our conscience and apply the astrology knowledge where we see it fit.

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posted August 10, 2010 04:16 AM            

Thanks so much ,

posted August 10, 2010 05:15 AM            

Even Cayce would have struggled with Retro Saturn square retro Mars exact and Sun in 6th square Moon conj Nessus exact in 12th.

Other chart aspects are helpful too.
Aries or Sagittarius Risers may not have a big problem with afflicted Nessus. Aquarius Rising with 12th house Moon in Aquarius will have a bigger problem with afflicted Nessus. Scorpio Rising with Moon in 19 degrees Scorpio 12h House will have the biggest problem with a Nessus affliction.

Nessus opposition Mercury Retrograde with Saturn square LUST exact and Mars in fire sign, this type will not have a problem during day to day life but given a chance in a lonely place where he is sure he cannot get caught, he will have highest odds of attempting rape for sheer thrill.

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posted August 10, 2010 09:19 AM            

x o Ami

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posted August 10, 2010 07:27 PM            

When you talk about substans who are tested on a science. You can use it. That give you some garanti to work on the way that's tested on. The proof on how it works are in a approved register on authority.

I know people who got the liver destroyed because they use health food which not be tested on a science way.

Astrology can never give you an exact answer on how it works out because you guide your own life if you are healthy. You make your own decision how you handle everything. You can even control your thoughts if you are healthy.

Astronomy is one natural science which deals with study of stars, planets, galaxes and so on. That' quite different. Astrology never manage all the tests to be a science. Astrology have always fallen.

Astrology builds more on tradition and beliefs and own observations.

I love astrology becuse it expand our belief and sometimes give us insight.

Now I stop here on this subjet. We have different views and that's completly ok to me. I see some people here on LL have problem with different views. Maybe that's the cultur. I don't know but here in our country and in our upbringing our own thinking stimulates.

posted August 12, 2010 08:42 AM            

Ever heard of Thalidomide? I think it has done 100 times more damage than alternative diets.
The damage of vaccines, fluoride and Aspartame are very well documented. All have been promoted by the very science and scientists you hold superior.

And can any astronomer swear on his PhD Degree that he knows the exact explanation of Comet 17P Holmes behavior? If so, why did he not predict that behavior? And I am still waiting for the explanation for dark matter, and I am still waiting to see these scientists start the LHC Collider and find the mythical sub atomic particles. If Astrology is mythical, Modern Science is even more so.

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posted January 22, 2011 06:42 PM            

could you tell if im a maniac from my chart :P ?