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Topic: help me make sense of my chart.
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Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 11:53 AM
I will be back later with more aspects. Ami
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Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 237 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 05, 2010 12:03 PM
Luck through misfortune.When i was a child i had dreams of becoming something great in life. My lifes circumstances prevented that from happening and as such i was forced to re-evaluate myself. *overly Generalized* Because my life didnt turn out how i envisioned i grew bitter. Where i was lucky is that same force kept me from becoming too attached to this reality, i had to look elsewhere for my completeness. Even now my circumstances are permitting my exploration in this area, So yes i am lucky but it truly is in how the individual perceives luck. in my case it only works this way, it is not of my choosing. If i were to think i am lucky and tried to run across a busy intersection, I would be killed pretty quick.  IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 12:05 PM
Yes, the word "lucky" is WAY too simplistic. You are right, Mblake. Ami
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Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 237 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 05, 2010 12:08 PM
If i am to gain something great, i also loose something great.*edit, great works in the same sense as luck here** Give and take Push and Pull Yin yang The motor of the universe IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 12:15 PM
Mars in the 12th house When you have a planet in the 12th house-it has to pull itself up from quicksand in order to express itself. It has to climb a mountain to come out rather than just express itself--easily. Mars is drive--pure and simple. It encompasses all things we go after. It is aggression/sexuality. It is amoral in that it goes after it's drives as a dog would go after a bone lol. If it is in the 12th house--it is harder to mobilize oneself cuz a quicksand feeling pulls it back. Do you relate to this,Mblake? Ami
PS I have Mars in Cancer (it's fall) and mine feels this way. ------------------ Shake your Pluto. IP: Logged |
Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 237 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 05, 2010 12:24 PM
Almost the same answerIt makes sense if mars is agression, will to go on that it would be in the 12th. My misfortune is my strength is not in the physical world, why should my agression be? *you cant live in dreams** depends on what you mean by live exactly. 12th pulls you away from the things you think you want or should have. If you feel like you are in quicksand, its because your fighting this. But be aware most minds are not comfortable with the idea of sinking. Misfortune is in the eye of the beholder. Think of a child behind pulled away from the toy it loves by a parent that knows better than the child. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 12:30 PM
This is my simple question. Do you find it hard to pursue your drives? Ami
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Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 12:35 PM
. Moon in the 12th House Your twelfth house moon suggests that you are a private person, hesitant to reveal your feelings and needs. Often, fearful of your vulnerability, you block awareness of your feelings; you seek refuge from your inner world in habitual activities which you may perform in an automatic manner. Contacting your hidden emotional self may be difficult for you, because you have developed a lifetime of defenses against primitive levels of need and dependency which frighten you. You may feel intense shame in regard to the child-self which is buried within you. Repressed for a long time, your sadness and longing may sometimes burst forth as infantile tears, which seem regressive and inappropriate. Like Alice in Wonderland drowning in the flood of her tears, you feel overwhelmed, and seek to squelch future displays of feeling. "Be strong;don't cry" may be your motto. You are afraid not only of drowning in your feelings and your needs, but also of revealing your vulnerability to others, then being rejected or abandoned. Perhaps because of traumatic experiences as a child, in which you experienced unbearable helplessness, need, and dependency in relationship to a parent who could not sensitively respond, you learned to turn to yourself early in life and to establish your self-sufficiency. "I must do it alone; I don't need anyone," you decided, as you withheld yourself emotionally in relationships, and learned how to engage with people without full involvement. Emotionally self-contained and insulated, you became a capable survivor, and learned how to effectively play the roles required of you. But often, as a result of your repression, you feel empty and depleted, out of contact with your source of inner sustenance. If your moon is deeply buried, you may struggle against fear of the primitive infant locked within you, and against a desire to return to the womb or to escape into fantasies of total nurturance. Fearful of your passivity and your desire for motherly love, you compensate through cultivating your adult competencies and by becoming a caregiver. But although you are independent in the external world, you hold onto your established patterns of behavior and to whatever internal sources of security you have developed. Forced to turn to yourself early in life, you learned how to take care of yourself, and how to substitute behaviors and activities for the nurturing from others you did not receive. You may as a result be compulsive about your self-caretaking rituals, particularly in regard to food. Tendencies toward anorexia, adherence to strict diets, preoccupation with cooking, and fear of eating in restaurants are all manifestations of a twelfth house moon. Sometimes, you become ill as a means of resting from the demands of your adult self, and in order to allow yourself to receive the caretaking that you seek. Your twelfth house moon suggests that you never felt allowed to be a child. Perhaps your mother was emotionally a child herself, and wanted you to cater to her needs rather than become capable of responding to yours. She may have been deeply troubled, psychologically or physically unavailable; she may have sacrificed herself to involvements in the outer world at the expense of her family life. Whatever your situation, her negative responses to your needs and feelings, and her messages of "don't cry" "be strong" or "do it yourself" led you to believe that you had no right to have feelings. The hurt or trauma you experienced then may have resulted in a deep-seated decision never to make yourself vulnerable again. "I'd rather die than need you," you may have inwardly said to your mother, "because if I need you I will have to bear the intolerable pain of your failure to meet my needs." As you grew older, fearing the re-stimulation and opening of earlier wounds, you may have said to yourself, " I will not be dependent upon anyone ever again." Often a twelfth house moon signifies a failure in the early attachment bond with the mother, although a deep inner bond with her exists. Such a bond ( accompanied by idealization) persists in part because you need to hold on to her psychically, as a result of not having received adequate nurturing. Frequently, a twelfth house moon suggests problems in the oral or suckling stage or lack of adequate physical nurturance. If your mother was unable to rspond to your nonverbal (and verbal) signals, you learned to distrust closeness to other persons, and failed to develop a healthy degree of trust. Because of childhood trauma, you may have repressed your early experiences, and remember little of your family life; you may also have developed a lifestyle which involves minimal family contact. Perhaps because you neer had a secure home, or because you fear experiencing your need for a home and family life, you may avoid creating a home that could be truly nurturing for you. Sometimes, people who have Twelfth house moons never develop roots anywhere; they move frequently, unable to settle down, afraid of sinking into the feelings and needswhich they associate with attachment to home and family. Another influence of a twelfth house moon is confusion in regard to female identity and to relationships with woman. Lacking an adequate female role model, you may have distorted ideas about womanhood and motherhood. If you are female, you may be insecure about your identity as a woman, and inclined to equate female role behavior with self-sacrifice; you might then, in reaction, reject the traditionally feminine, and seek refuge in "male" values. Sometimes, woman with twelfth house moons deny the desire for motherhood; or, in contrast, allow themselves to become pregnant in order to recreate them mother/infant bond. If you are male, you may feel insecure about the hidden female within you, which at times feels like overwhelming need and passivity. You may devalue the "feminine" realms of life, while simultaneously idealizing women, falling in love with inner images and fantasies, yearning for the perfect woman/mother/mate, or attracting clinging, dependent women who force you to make contact with the energies you project. To the extent to which you fear your vulnerability and hunger for nurturance, you attract people who need you and become dependent upon you. Fleeing from relationships which awaken your own need, you are nevertheless quite capable of responding to need in others. In fact, you may even respond with a sensitivity and sympathy which you are incapable of giving to yourself. Psychically sensitive to others, you are attuned to their feelings and intuitively know what to say and do. Because you are a natural caretaker, you are probably drawn to work in the service professions, where you can meet the needs of wounded or troubled humanity. Identifying with the troubled, ill or weak, you demonstrate your talent as a nurse, healer, or counselor. Having sacrificed your personal mother to the world, you may also sacrifice your personal mothering needs in order to mother humanity as a whole. You seek to give to others what you always wanted to receive. Such giving may not fill the empty space within you, but it does provide vicarious satisfaction and the experience of having made a significant social contribution. Another advantage of your twelfth house moon is your keen intuition an innate spirituality. Because of your sensitivity, you need to spend a considerable amount of time alone, reflecting upon aspects of your personal life which you do not share with others, and clearing yourself of the psychic overload you have accumulated as a result of too much contact. Your solitude may also be important to you because it helps you to regain contact with yourself, to connect with your feeling nature, and through meditation, music, or other pursuits, to let go of the walls you have created and surrender to forces greater than yourself. Because you have preserved your true child self deep within you, in a form that is largely untouched by the world, you are capable of contacting and drawing from rich sources of inner nourishment which reside with that child. Because its boundaries are thin, it is capable of openness to spiritual realms. The more you are able to honor that archaic child within you, the more you will become attuned to your divine nature and be able to enrich yourself with the openness to higher energies which it can offer you. You need to contact, accept, and embrace the child within you, to tolerate its terror of abandonment and its primitive feelings and needs, and to learn to soothe and reassure it. Feeling-oriented therapy, re-birthing, self-psychology, primal therapy, and past-lives therapy all may facilitate this process. As you begin to acknowledge and honor your inner child, you may also choose to create for yourself a home which is truly nourishing, and which helps you to feel warm, safe, and emotionally secure. Once you begin to hear, accept, and meet the real needs of your inner child, you will experience a sense of realness and wholeness which previously was inaccessible to you; you will also be able to give to others more effectively, to meet their real needs, rather than vicariously using them as a means for recovering your lost self. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 12:39 PM
Just wanted to say,Mblake, that every chart has its strengths and weaknesses, hard things and easy things. Don't get discouraged at the hard things. Who am I to talk cuz I DO lol but just wanted to say that. Ami ------------------ Shake your Pluto. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 12:39 PM
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Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 237 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 05, 2010 12:45 PM
wow  Pursuing goals becomes easier when you can distinguish where the energy is pulling you and when its just something you want. That energy is greater than any human whim want or desire, as they are usually the same things previous generations wanted too. Im sure karma is comepletly bored with us not learning and remembering by now. I hope its our next evolution. 12th moon. Same as mars, distinguish where its pulling/pushing you and how you are reacting to it. Selfishness seperates you. you seperates you or you combines you. Duality of Nature. This can become schizophrenic and i think this happens to most. They must be combined and changed through the interplay of each. Genious or sheer insanity is just a hair apart. The deciding factor is how aware you are of yourself. IP: Logged |
Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 237 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 05, 2010 02:37 PM
Just so you know i like your input.IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 02:44 PM
Maybe I was getting too personal. I am sorry if I was. Maybe, another time, we can go through the aspects- K. Ami
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Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 237 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 05, 2010 03:36 PM
i see, nice while it lasted  IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 03:38 PM
Well, I will be direct(Mars in Cancer ,notwithstanding). Do you want me to go through your aspects and you comment on them ? Ami
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Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 237 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 05, 2010 03:43 PM
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Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 03:46 PM
OK  Be back ,later. Ami
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Dreamy_AriesGirl Knowflake Posts: 34 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 03:52 PM
"Basically your asking me to leave myself open and let people pick and prod at they're whim, because that is what happens to me"This is exactly why you need to change, because connecting with others is your weak point. Fears are only illusions, but you can only overcome them if you take the courage to confront with them. I didnt say that its easy, obviously not, but hey, thats life! instead of avoiding, you need to discover how can you help yourself feeling comfortable in those situations...but for this, first you need to explore and be comfortable with yourself...cause if you know and love youself, you will also know how to defend yourself in any kind of situation. Escaping will never be a solution, because its easy for you and life is about to progress in things what you fear.
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Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 03:54 PM
BUT --something like this is slow. My problem areas change like molasses in cold weather  Ami ------------------ Shake your Pluto. IP: Logged |
Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 237 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 05, 2010 04:05 PM
Just remember to not mistake fear for caution.Its never a smart move for me to run blindly into new areas. to go running blind through the woods only to get your ankle crushed by a hidden bear trap. Now whos fault is that? the traps or the idiot who ran in? Im very slow to feel my way through. this is generalized and metaphoric. I hope this helps to understand why i seem this way. I prefer foresight. Foresight is the ability to predict, or the action of predicting, what will happen or what is needed in the future. Studies suggest that much of human daily thought is directed towards potential future events. Because of this and its role in human control on the planet, the nature and evolution of foresight is an important topic in psychology. Recent neuroscientific, developmental and cognitive studies have identified many commonalities to the human ability to recall past episodes . Science magazine selected new evidence for such commonalities one of the top ten scientific breakthroughs of 2007. However, there are of course fundamental differences between mentally travelling through time into the future versus the past(episodic memory). -wikipedia and the synapse begin to pop. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 04:21 PM
Mblake Trust yourself, always, first and foremost--all the time, everywhere. Don't let anyone shame, push, coax,bully,etc you to do anything to which your gut does not agree. Prolly,in every mistake I ever made,I violated this. Ami
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Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 237 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 05, 2010 04:25 PM
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Dreamy_AriesGirl Knowflake Posts: 34 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 04:33 PM
No one told you to run blind...it's just your own excuse to avoid change. But since you're a Scorpio, you will never admit it, of course  Obviously you cant change from one day to another. Its you who have to judge when you're catious and when you're escaping. Your life. "Foresight is the ability to predict, or the action of predicting, what will happen or what is needed in the future." This is the biggest illusion of all. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3427 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted August 05, 2010 04:39 PM
You know ,Dreamy Aries, I don't know if Mblake wants your advice but *I* surely would not! Love heals,Girlfriend. Ami
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Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 237 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 05, 2010 04:45 PM
You drive a hard point, but ultimatly you even admited i wouldnt give in.so who is ahead of the curve in that situation? She dug her hands in deep and its fine. Not everyone wants to or would. Thank you And perhaps the foresight is a simple illusion, to some people how would you really know unless your in my shoes afterall babe? IP: Logged | |