posted January 30, 2011 01:54 PM            

I can tell that you are very smart. I was explaining Kundalini awakenings to the person who asked. Sorry if I didn't explain the esoteric Hindu explanation on Kundalini awakening very well. Also, thank-you for sharing your experiences. Hearing it is very grounding for me. I also rambled below so don't feel like you have to read it or anything.

Thanks for the support. I had two shamanic dismemberments this year, and when my higher self spoke to me, that is what she said my purpose in life was. I of course had a hard time with that but anyway. That is the other half of my journey, so it is crazy. I think the only reason why I didn't go totally off the deep end was I was working out -all- the time, though it was pretty bad. I still am not a shaman. It takes 10 years of training to do that and I'm just barely waking up to the psi world. A friend was telling me I'd likely have another dismemberment and I may go psychotic with that one. I was reading another article that kundalini is awake in all shaman, which makes sense. I can't afford to study it in depth at the moment and I need to be less disoriented before I start trying to journey anyway.

Fortunately I have had no people so far mention the sexual energy. Most don't even understand it to that degree. I'm at a point where I have zero sex drive in my kundalini and my boyfriend has a huge sex drive (along with an energy situation that just makes it painful to do that much!).

I've never heard uranus implicated in Kundalini phenomena but it does make sense. It's conjunct my sun in Sag, trine my mc and asc exact with a mars sextile coming from aquarius. Uranus may have been square my natal sun/uranus when it started.

Okay, I rambled, but my experiences. It's good to hear from people having similar experiences. I tend to sleep 11 hours a day, but I can't tell anyone or they'll think I'm bipolar because I freak out or talk fast frequently. And then when they think you're bipolar they start thinking you're a pathological liar and you're fighting a perpetual uphill battle where they want to shove anti-manic medication down your throat (anti-psychotics that shrink the size of your brain) and would just make me sleep more than I already am. I'm glad you have such a great support infrastructure. It must be nice.

posted January 30, 2011 02:06 PM            

Kat

posted January 30, 2011 02:12 PM            

Here is a post that I did:

BIPOLAR OR NEURODIVERGENT

It seems that a lot of neurodivergent people can have many of the Bipolar symptoms. It is not because they have a chemical imbalance. I believe that they are suffering from being misunderstood,ridiculed,rejected as well as feeling frustrated.They are human beings with real feelings, and so they can be hurt like anybody else. If the neurodivergent is highly sensitive, then he or she can be deeply hurt. Maybe Bipolar Disorder would significantly decrease if people were treated a lot better. I feel that there is a strong connection between Bipolar and Learning Disabilities. I would call it the Undesirably Special Syndrome. I am saying that out of sarcasm. I am disgusted that people are getting unfairly labeled because they are different from the norm. Normal doesn't mean right. Normal is what the majority thinks is acceptable.
Would you blame a Pre-Civil Rights black kid for being
irritable,moody,aggressive,and oppositional? Would you blame
homosexual people to be that way in anti-gay society? Would you blame a female to be that way in a society where females have no rights and respect? Would you blame Christians to be that way in the days of Emperor Nero of Rome? Would you blame Native Americans to be that way for being minorities in their own native land? Would you blame Learning Disabled people to be that way for being accused of being retarded,lazy,and crazy? I say not just "No"....I say " Hell No!"
We need to look at alternative explanations for why a person has bipolar symptoms. Maybe ignorance can lead to them. I believe that it can in the neurodivergent.

SYMPTOMS AND BEHAVIORAL TRAITS IN BIPOLAR CHILDREN from the book, THE BIPOLAR CHILD http://www.amazon.com/Bipolar-Child-Definitive-Reassuring-Misunderstood/dp/0767928601/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231546169&sr=8-1

AND ALTERNATIVE EXPLANATIONS by me Not all of the symptoms have alternative explanations Just the ones that I feel can be explained as challenging life experiences as a neurodivergent.

All the descriptions after the hyphen (-) are my alternative explanations looking at it from the neurodivergent perspective and not the neurotypical pespective.

VERY COMMON

Separation Anxiety - fear of and don't want to go to school, fear of being around people that will look down on him or her, don't want to be away from the only people that love,respect,understand and doesn't ridicule him or her, fear of being bullied at school or other places

Rages and explosive temper tantrums lasting up to several hours - being provoked, frustration, being picked on, teased, bullied

Marked irritability - being provoked,frustration, being picked on,
stress, being teased, bullied

Oppositional behavior - Frustration, being picked on, teased, bullied,fighting against what is thought to be wrong, standing up for self, wishing to make his or her point known and have others understand it,passion in him or her to fight injustices

Rapid cycling (frequent mood swings, occurring within an hour, a day,or several days) or mood lability - Frustration, being picked on, stress, high sensitivity

Distractibility - reactions to external stimuli, high sensitivity,
excessive concentration leading to the stopping of focus from being tired, preoccupied with what's happening inside

Hyperactivity - anxiety build up, nervousness, excitement, increased stress,poor or low frustration tolerance,high energy,quick mind

Impulsivity - being provoked, being picked on, teased, bullied,
stress, impatience

Restlessness/fidgetiness - impatience, wanting to get away from people that are making them uneasy, sensitivity to flourescent and bright lights, bored, anxiety, nervousness,stress

Silliness, giddiness, goofiness - humor as an escape from stress,
"make fun of yourself before they make fun of you", be the class clown so people lay off him or her

Racing thoughts - nonstop worrying, accumulation of preoccupied thoughts that have to do with anxiety and nervousness, quick mind

Aggressive behavior - being provoked,frustration, being picked on, teased, stress, wishing to make his or her point known and have others understand it, passion in him or her to fight injustices

Grandiosity - Believing in fantasies of being great because they want to escape from being somebody that everybody
despises,teases,ridicules,and is ashamed of.....believing in fantasy of being special in a positive way to escape from being special in a negative way

Carbohydrate cravings - sweets can make the person feel good,
sugar-sensitive

Risk-taking behaviors - frustration, anger, desperation,being
rebellious, going where nobody has gone before .... People who start their own businesses are risk-takers People who save the lives of others in dangerous situations are risk-takers... People who fought for equal/civil rights were risk-takers

Depressed mood - frustration, being picked on, low self esteem,
stress, feeling rejected, sadness

Lethargy - sick and tired of having a screwed up life,
hopelessness,giving up "Why bother to do anything? I am stupid any way.",mental burnout due to a mind that works much and uses much energy which is the case with dyslexics who use 4.6 times more brain area when doing a simple language task

Low self-esteem - the most common symptom in the learning disabled, feeling stupid,dumb,or retarded, feeling like he or she won't amount to anything, feel that he or she doesn't have a future, feeling ashamed

Difficulty getting up in the morning - doesn't want to go to school, doesn't want to be picked on, doesn't want to deal with people that ridicule the person

Social anxiety - afraid to be evaluated or tested, afraid to be seen as stupid,retarded,and inept by others, afraid to make mistakes in front of people and be seen as an idiot.
insecurity, being anxious when it comes to their weaknesses......for example if somebody has problems with speech, then they would be anxious about talking in front of people....if somebody has problems with coordination,they would anxious about doing things in front of people that require the use of coordination

Oversensitivity to emotional or environmental triggers - sensory integration issues, just being highly sensitive, being allergic to certain substances, can be particular past emotional triggers like past experiences of physical and verbal abuse, and so the person overreacts when he is hit or being put down

COMMON

Bedwetting (especially in boys) - problems with coordination, stress, poor muscle control

Night terrors - could be from anticipated harm by others, nightmares of being ridiculed by others

Rapid or pressured speech - anxiety, nervousness,desperate to be listened to, eager to be heard, feeling the need to get points
across,being passionate..... people get really tense and agitated
when not being listened to

Excessive Daydreaming - highly imaginative, being bored, fantasizing about how great if would be to be "normal" and not ridiculed

Obsessional Behavior - preoccupied about doing things that help make him or her be accepted and/or seen as being intelligent and/or attractive

Compulsive Behavior - preoccupied about doing things that help make him or her be accepted and/or seen as being intelligent and/or attractive

Motor and vocal tics - could be from coordination and speech problems.....also can be symptoms of both Tourette's Syndrome and the side effects of antipsychotics

Learning disabilities - THIS IS MY ENTIRE POINT!

Poor short-term memory - common Dyslexics, Dyspraxics, and ADHDers

Lack of Organization - common with Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,ADHDers

Fascinating with gore or morbid topics - reading too many Stephen King novels! hehehehehe

Hypersexuality - resulting from low self esteem, needing lots of
intimacy with a person to make them feel good, past history of sexual abuse

Manipulative behavior - control issues because of self esteem problems

Extremely bossy behavior with friends/bullying - frustration, being picked on, low self esteem a person who is bullied might bully others

Lying - fear of getting in trouble, pretending to be somebody else, self - protection, anxiety, lack of trust

Suicidal thoughts - shame,frustration, sick and tired of being
teased,picked on, and ridiculed feels like he or she won't amount to anything, and so he or she feels that he or she doesn't want to live any more and complicate others' lives, sick and tired of not being "normal"

Destruction of property - frustration, being picked on, stress,

Paranoia - lack of trust, fear of being exposed, suspicious that the person cannot be trusted, fear from past experiences from being picked on, feeling persecuted - being picked on, being called names, being bullied, suffering from prejudice

Hallucinations and delusions - religious and spiritual experiences
that are not understood by others, believing that he or she had
pastlives, any perceptions that conflicts with mainstream views

LESS COMMON

Migraine headaches

Bingeing - indulging in food to escape from problems of being picked on, stress...........a lot of people eat out of depression cannot cope with problems of dealing with inconsiderate,cruel,and ignorant people

Self-mutilating behaviors - low self esteem issues

Cruelty to animals

Please keep in mind that these people aren't necessarily Bipolar.
They could be misdiagnosed. I feel that anybody can be misdiagnosed Bipolar because Psychiatry is not an infallible science. If you act,feel, look, believe, think and/or talk in a way that differs from the norm, there is a possibility that you will be diagnosed as mentally ill. People with ADHD have been misdiagnosed Bipolar, and so it is not surprising that Dyslexia and Dyspraxia can be misdiagnosed Bipolar because they often co-exist with ADHD.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted January 30, 2011 02:18 PM            

Psychiatrists and other mental health professionals tend to think that if a person speaks rapidly then they have manic speech. They think that is their speech is tangential,then they must be psychotic. They tend to judge people by their speech,and then tell them that they have a thought disorder,and so they tried to get them to take a neuroleptic. Some even want you to take Risperdal. That's what it was like for me as a Dyslexic,Dyspraxic, ADHD person. They didn't know that my rapid,tangential speech was cluttering. They never stopped to consider that at all. They told me that I had some "slight thought disorder" and wanted me to take a neuroleptic. When I came back to mental hospital for depression, they made me take Risperdal because of my speech irregularities. These psychiatrists never asked if I had a history of speech therapy nor special education. I had intensive speech therapy in special education for my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia. It's very important that psychiatrists differentiate cluttering speech from speech stemming from mental illness like schizophrenia,bipolar. This type of speech runs in families, my mother told me that my father had speech problems that including stammering and stuttering. I read that they were the same,and so I asked my mother if my father cluttered. My mother told me "No", but I read my mother about the symptoms of cluttering, and my mom said that's what he did. My father was a clutterer like me,and he was diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic by prison psychiatrists. From what my mom told me, he was a neurodivergent. Understanding cluttering speech is very important. Many nonprofessionals can even misjudge clutterers too,and look at them like they are clueless and/or crazy because they are ignorant about this type of speaking.

page 59 of DSM-IV-TR Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental
Disorders

The most common associated feature of Expressive Language Disorder in younger children is Phonological Disorder. There may also be a disturbance in fluency and language formulation involving an abnormally rapid rate and erratic rhythm of speech and disturbances in language structure (cluttering). When Expressive Language Disorder is acquired, additional speech difficulties are also common and may include motor articulation problems, phonological errors, slow speech, syllable repetitions, and monotonous intonation and stress patterns. Among school-age children, school and learning problems (e.g., writing to dictation, copying sentences, and spelling) that sometimes meet criteria fo Learning Disorders are often associated with Expressive Language Disorder. There may be also be some mild impairment in receptive language skills, but when this is significant, a diagnosis of Mixed Receptive Language should be made.

A history of delay in reaching some motor milestones, Developmental Coordination Disorder,and Enuressis are not uncommon. Social withdrawal and some mental disorders such as Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder are also commonly associated.

Expressive Language Disorder may be accompanied by EEG abnormalities, abnormal findings on neuroimaging,dysarthric or apraxic behaviors, or other neurological signs.

What is cluttering?

Information compiled by
Kathleen Scaler Scott, Florence Myers, Peter Kissagizlis
International Cluttering Association (ICA
Cluttering is a communication disorder that affects one’s ability to convey messages to others in a clear and/or concise manner. Individuals with cluttered speech often report that their listeners have difficulty understanding them, and attribute this to factors such as their rate of speech, the clarity of their speech, and/or the organization or relevance of their message. Some who clutter have said they’ve often received such feedback as, “Slow down!”, “Don’t mumble” or “Where did that comment come from?”.

An interesting thing about cluttering is that unlike stuttering, many who clutter are unaware of their difficulties with communication. This is one reason many are not diagnosed with the disorder until adulthood. Another reason for the delay in diagnosis relates to the fact that cluttering is misunderstood among the public and professionals alike, and therefore those who clutter may be misdiagnosed as stutterers or “anxious speakers.” Adults who clutter have reported that in growing up, others have commented to them about “improving their communication,” but such comments tended to be vague, so the individual could never put his/her finger on what was causing this type of response. Cluttering can often co-exist with stuttering.

It is important to understand that the definition of cluttering is a work in progress, and will likely be refined as we gain more information about this communication disorder. In the meantime, researchers gain a good deal of their information about cluttering from adults who are experiencing it. Some of the symptoms commonly observed by researchers and/or reported by adults who clutter are:

Racing thoughts
Rapid and/or irregular rate of speech
Leaving off the ends of words
Omitting or distoring sounds or syllables (e.g., “elephant” becomes “elphant”; “orange” becomes “orng”)
Words sound as if they are “running into each other”
Lots of starts and stops in speaking
Excessive use of disfluencies such as “um”, “uh”, repeating or revising phrases, or repeating words; unlike stuttering, these disfluencies are not accompanied by struggle behaviors or muscular tension
Difficulty organizing thoughts and/or getting to the point
Limited awareness of how one’s speech sounds to others
Difficulties slowing down even when asked to do so
Tendency to interrupt conversational partner
Words or ideas come out differently than intended

There are other difficulties which have been identified by those who clutter. Research is currently in progress to determine whether these symptoms are a part of the disorder of cluttering, or simply other disorders that tend to co-occur with cluttering in some individuals. This is difficult to separate because everyone’s experience of cluttering is not the same. Some of these symptoms are:

Difficulties with handwriting, i.e. legibility decreases with time
Difficulties sustaining attention for such activities as reading and/or small talk
Always “on the go”
Difficulties with typing words accurately, such as having to do excessive editing of email messages
Speech is often at its best in a structured situation in which the person is actively monitoring it, such as when being videotaped. Speech is often at its worst when the person is more relaxed.

If you have some of the symptoms listed in this document, you may be experiencing cluttering. However, a definitive diagnosis of cluttering can only be made by a speech-language pathologist who has experience and expertise with this communication disorder. Cluttering may also co-occur with stuttering. Because cluttering and stuttering are closely related fluency disorders, a speech-language pathologist with expertise in the area of fluency disorders is often the ideal professional to diagnosis and/or treat a cluttering disorder. See our “Resources” section for further information on locating a specialist in your area. http://associations.missouristate.edu/ICA/

page 47 to 49 from A SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE OF DYSLEXIA(The DISCOVERY OF CEREBELLAR-VESTIBULAR SYNDROMES by Harold N. Levinson, MD

Occasionally, dyslexics manifested a "loose" and telescopic quality to their associative speech or thinking styles, and as a result tended to be rapid,wordy, and rambling in their spontaneous descriptions. This interesting speech pattern appeared independent of anxiety factors, and tended to resemble a schizophrenic's "loose associations" and
tangential thinking. However, these dyslexic children were not
psychotic, and lacked autistic preoccupation and projective thinking mechanisms. They merely seemed to forget momentarily the direction of their thought sequences and/or the thoughts and words themselves.
Occasionally, the temporal spacing between words and sentences was shorter than normal and even dysmetric.

Later studes noted nonpsychotic "absentminded" adult dyslexics to manifest similar loose,wordy, and rambling speech patterns ----clearly demonstrating the need to qualitatively and diagnostically distinguish dyslexic speech patterns from schizophrenic patterns (Kasaninin, 1964). Upon analysis, this loose, absent-minded dyslexic thinking style prone to slips was found to be due to the very same underlying memory, directional, and temporal spatial dyscoordination mechanisms characterizing dyslexic reading, writing, and spelling.

Not infrequently these so-called absent-minded individuals intend to do say or do one thing and wind up saying or doing another, even the opposite of what was originally intended. Forgetting is commonplace. As a result, the dyslexic's speech and action patterns may often exhibit a disoriented and disjointed, even comical, quality, which many clinicians fallaciously consider due to primary psychogenic determinants. However, upon analysis, the dyscoordination or slip between intention and speech or motor response was most often found lacking a primary emotional causation, and appeared qualitatively consistent with the dyslexic symptomatology. In retrospect, these slips invariably provoked secondary emotional attempts at compensation; and the unsuspecting psychiatrist and psychologist will unwittingly mistake secondary defensive reaction with primary causation. For example, some dyslexics become embarassed, blush, and retreat socially as a result of their slips, while others attempt to joke and rationalize them away.

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posted January 30, 2011 02:22 PM            

yes the sexual energy can decrease in the body if it is not cleaned out,see kundalini can get better and still rising but with less discomfort if one workd on the topic of the chakra.i never had big sexual imbalance during kundalini,the most diffiuclt thing for me was my solar plexus and my heartchakra and also throat a bit,resulting in having difficulty with breathing and a soar throat.for some magicsl reason my third eye is working very well and ohkemore up in the crown,i often feel less successful with that mastery,resulting in heavy headaches.i am sorry to hear your creational chakra is out of balance,trying to give you a good hint,maybe you need to ground more?connect to mother earth more often?visualize yourself being a tree with roots reaching deep into gaia

it is amazing what you said about the shamans!i didnt know that they have awakened kundalini!wooohoo,but often i have good intuition when it comes to what kind of people i need to follow in order to get more wise,thanks for this info !!!i think its true

one topic of a specific chakra is often difficult to master cause the one lower chakra is not working with ease.i think you should try to ground more in whatever way that feels good.liek i said with food,that contains iron its perfect to ground!

posted January 30, 2011 02:23 PM            

By Marcia Purse, About.com Guide

What Is Pressured Speech?
Answer: Pressured speech is a hallmark symptom of mania or hypomania in bipolar disorder (manic depression). In the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV (DSM-IV), pressured speech is used in combination with several other symptoms to confirm a diagnosis of bipolar disorder.

In his glossary, Dr. Jacob L. Driesen defines pressured speech as "rapid, virtually nonstop, often loud and emphatic, seemingly driven, and usually hard to interrupt. It typically occurs in mania and in some drug-induced states and in severe anxiety states." In her book Bipolar Disorders, Mitzi Waltz uses the phrase "motormouth" to describe pressured speech.

Pressured speech occurs in bipolar children as well as adults.

Examples of Pressured Speech

* "Pressured Speech" is just a fancy psychiatrist's term for a manicky person's tendency to talk really really fast. I've been told that I just have so many thoughts going through my head so fast and I am trying to fit them all into the words that I am saying at the same time that it doesn't work and that is why my speech comes out at a speed that is unintelligible to most people.
--Joy

Inside view: the ideas and associations are arriving thick and fast and if you're expressing them by talking to someone, the speech tends to be faster than usual, the idea content more dense, the apparent digressions more abundant and noticeable.

--OmegaPerson http://bipolar.about.com/cs/faqs/f/faq_presspeech.htm

Flight of Ideas
By Marcia Purse, About.com Guide

Definition:
Flight of ideas is one of the symptoms of bipolar mania as well as schizophrenia and ADHD. Some web definitions include:

* a nearly continuous flow of rapid speech that jumps from topic to topic, usually based on discernible associations, distractions, or plays on words, but in severe cases so rapid as to be disorganized and incoherent. It is most commonly seen in manic episodes but may also occur in other mental disorders such as in manic phases of schizophrenia. Merck Source

* A nearly continuous flow or accelerated speech with abrupt changes from topic to topic, usually based on understandable associations, distracting stimuli, or plays on words. University of Michigan Medical Center.

* A continuous change of subject and thought content with little apparent connection among the topics and little external stimulation for the change. This may be one manifestation of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Children With Challenges http://bipolar.about.com/od/maniahypomani1/g/gl_flightofidea.htm

The following is disorganized speech in schizophrenia from:

What are the Symptoms of Schizophrenia?

From Catherine Harrison, PhD, former About.com Guide

Disorganized speech
Also known as loose association. In psychotically disorganized speech, words are not linked together based on the normal rules of language, but are strung together based on sounds, rhyme, puns, or free associations. Although everyone makes speech errors, especially when they’re tired or stressed, psychotically disorganized speech is obviously abnormal, and is difficult or impossible to understand.
http://schizophrenia.about.com/od/whatisschizophrenia/f/schiz_symptoms.htm

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posted January 30, 2011 02:24 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by blonderiverkat:
I am also curious to see how Uranus comes into play as well...
Mochai, or anyone...what is the youngest you have heard of one beginning the kundalini process? I am thinking that my youngest has been esperiencing it for some time now...perhaps most of his life...and a recent pain in his left hip has me wondering even more about him...as well as what Glac pointed out in his chart, and his strong Native American heritage...OBE's for years, and strong dreams and visions...my kids are of Mayan descent as well as Apache, Cherokee and some Comanche...it makes me wonder if he isn't destined to become a Shaman... ???

Kat

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posted January 30, 2011 02:30 PM            

I know you already know I have a strong sedna, but going through it anyway.

Everything is within a 1 degree orb, or 2 degree orb for conjunctions (just happened that way). Sedna conjunct Klotho, Moon, Chaos, Thalia within a two degree orb. Trine hyperborea/anteros in virgo. Opposite Valentine. Quincunx Nemesis in Sag. Trine gawaine. Sextile pallas in pisces. I don't put too much into the minor asteroids, just listing them.

I could see uranus being very strong for shaman given most have a nervous disposition. Also, merc conjunct neptune feels shamanic as it is good at communicating in stories and archetypes.

Glaucus, thank-you so much for those clips from the dsm bible! I am going to copy and print them because they want to pigeonhole me with that diagnosis because it is most convenient. It wouldn't be such a big deal, but I'm trying to get support which is where it gets awkward.

Lucie, it's okay. I completely understand. I also tend to get really reactive and drawn up into huge dramas in my head over the smallest things (and you theoretically had a very valid reason). I didn't take it personally as I tend to feel in a similar manner for next to no reason (that's where the unconditional love, acceptance and detachment comes in lol). No harm done My boyfriend has completely avoided the men in white coats. He should be okay.

Kat if he is a shaman, it might help to be aware of signs of shamanic initiation or dismemberment. Usually there's some distinction, but if he's extremely cut off from reality he might not tell you about the important signs.

posted January 30, 2011 02:38 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by lucie:
wow ohke this is a good sense of yours kat,i think it is exactly what you talk about,i think he is a shaman,wow!!!

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That makes me wonder

I have the following ancestral backgrounds in me

Black African (not sure of what countries)
Portuguese
English
German
French
Italian
Puerto Rican
Native American( Cherokee)

possibility have Jew ancestry ( J1c i my haplogroup and subclade

now with that in mind

Would my being Black African and Native American ancestries be an indicator for ability in shamanism?

Celtic tribes were ancestors of English,Portuguese,Spanish,and French.
Would my celtic ancestry be an indicator for ability to be a druid?

Would my Jew ancestry be an indicator for quaballistic mysticism?
and strong possibility being descended from Mesopotamians,Sumerians and their spirituality

many countries had their ancient spiritual traditions that include shamanism,mysticism

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posted January 30, 2011 02:40 PM            

indication for shamnism in astrology now this is interesting!

i just know that i have uranus in scorpio sextiel my jupiter in virgo and wide square with south/northnode.lately i was talking about the OPI sign with a friend of mine into vedic stuff he said that my uranus has progressed into OPI in the year 2006,when i started my guitarbuskingsinging rainbowstyle...so accoprding to him this OPIsign=the serpent holder has initiated me with the new age.

posted January 30, 2011 02:45 PM            

Shamanism is not an easy path for most people though. I wouldn't glorify it, but then again, when I heard I was supposed to.. I was like no way!! Can I change it? What can I do? Is there something else I can be? Can't I just be a clairvoyant on the side of my professinal life and call it even? Bleh, anywho.. I was more about the anthropological side of studying tribal shamanism. Btw, I'm extremely pale northern european. The only thing that runs in my family is mental illness, alcoholism, and abuse.

posted January 30, 2011 02:57 PM            

Also, the youtube guy I mentioned has a history of curing people of bipolar disorder, which is why I recommended it.

That's true Lucie. In shamanism you can only heal what you've taken on and conquered yourself.

posted January 30, 2011 02:59 PM            

Steven Forrest talked about Pluto as the shaman in an article in Mountain Astrologer magazine. It was about the changing solar system with the dwarf planets.

Haumea and Makemake are transneptunian dwarf planets named after Polynesian deities

Haumea is named after the Hawaiian fertility creation goddess
Makemake is named after the Rapanui fertility creation god

Quaoar is a transneptunian dwarf planet named after Native American Tongva tribe creation god

Orcus is named after the Etruscan God Ruler of the Underworld. It's the Etruscan counterpart of Pluto.
Ixion isn't named after a deity, it was named after the father of the mythical centaurs.

Both Ixion and Orcus are plutinos. That means that they have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune just like Pluto does.
For ever 3 times that Neptune orbits the Sun, Pluto and the plutinos orbit twice.
As a rule, plutinos are named after Underworld characters. That's why Ixion and Orcus have their names.
Their orbits are only 1 to 2 years apart from Pluto's. Therefore, their orbits are very similar to Pluto's.
If Pluto is shamanic energy, then so is Ixion and Orcus.

Eris is an object is a transneptunian dwarf planet that orbits beyond Pluto. It would make sense for it to be shamanic. It's orbit fits the mythological Proserpina/Persephone, the wife of Pluto/Hades, the Queen of the Underworld.

all these objects orbit beyond Neptune which is the planet associated with mysticism,psychism. It's main keyword is dissolution like in the dissolution of boundaries. With Neptune, there is highly sensitive and imagination which can lead to visions.

Once you get past Neptune, you get into the "unknown", the subterranean depths of the unconscious

It was simple when it was only Pluto that was thought to exist beyond Neptune.
Now we know that is not true. There are thousands of objects that orbit beyond Neptune.

Of course, Pluto and his fellow transneptunian dwarf planets/candidates stand out.

They would be the deeply shamanic energies.

With its greatest average distance and longest orbital period by far, it would make sense for Sedna to be the most shamanic in the deepest sense. It is a transneptunian dwarf planet named after the Inuit Sea/Ocean Goddess who was also the ruler of the Underworld called Adlivun. Inuit people have their shamans.

Uranus is the planet that rules electricity of all kinds even including the electricity in the body, electrical charges, and is also associated with the nervous system.

The main keyword for Uranus is liberation like in liberation from boundaries.

As a rule in relation to orbital periods,
all objects that orbit beyond Saturn (planet of physical boundaries) are metaphysically oriented energies.

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posted January 30, 2011 03:02 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by holly:
Hey Glaucus
maybe you can give links instead of copying and pasting, the thread is getting hard to read. thanks.

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I don't just give links
I also add comments.

If you have a problem reading, then just don't read it.

I often copy and paste because there are people that don't want to click on links.
It might be easier for people to read the material without having to click on links.

Also....
I always include links after the material is copied and pasted, and so people can click on links if that is what they want to do

Therefore

I do give them options

of reading the actual material copy or pasted

OR

clicking on the links

OR

both

also some of the stuff that I posted was stuff that I typed.

It's not all cut and paste stuff.

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posted January 30, 2011 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
I kind of see shamansim and mysticism as universal experiences/practices depending on the times. There are many books on celtic shamansim it just never resonated with me.

Shamanism is not an easy path for most people though. I wouldn't glorify it, but then again, when I heard I was supposed to.. I was like no way!! Can I change it? What can I do? Is there something else I can be? Can't I just be a clairvoyant on the side of my professinal life and call it even? Bleh, anywho.. I was more about the anthropological side of studying tribal shamanism. Btw, I'm extremely pale northern european. The only thing that runs in my family is mental illness, alcoholism, and abuse.

If people are right about the genetic database, then I could see that being a huge advantage. I have been a shaman before so maybe past life experiences can help.

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I have doubts about it.
It seems kinda racist too to think that other people are naturally more spiritually potential to others or anything else for that matter.

That's the point that I was trying to make
when I discussed about my own racial,ethnic,national ancestry and the possible shamanic,mystical,spiritual potential in connection to those ancestral backgrounds.

what about reincarnation?

In the reincarnation concept, there is believe that people can incarnate as people of other races,ethnic groups,nationalities,gender

I definitely believe that.

Of course, people can have pastlives of living as people of certain races,ethnic groups,nationalities that have in their background.

I definitely believe that I have pastlives of being certain races,ethnic,groups,nationalities that I have in my background.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted January 30, 2011 03:14 PM            

I had a similar experience with my higher self/guides/angels whatever you want to call it. I had a dream in which they told me what my purpose in life was. I cried and told them that's not what I wanted to do.

I read the symptoms, you had linked it in my Reiki thread. I'm not sure if anything I mentioned sounds like kundalini.

posted January 30, 2011 03:23 PM            

You're lucky you got told though. Kat is trying very hard to find out and still isn't getting there yet .

posted January 30, 2011 03:28 PM            

Scientists are now saying that mainly people of nonAfrican ancestry have Neanderthal genes.

It is believed that people who migrated from Africa mixed in with Neanderthals.

Neanderthals have their shamans.

If a person has Neanderthal ancestry, then it can be argued that there can be a potential for shamanism.

BUT

I have to make a point

just because a person is of a certain culture that have shamans,mystics,yogis,and other metaphysical doesn't necessarily mean that they have that ability

shamans tend to be a few people that are selected.
take for Native American tribes, not everybody is the tribal shaman

this would make sense for cultures in general
as well as other abilities

various abilities vary in people regardless of race,ethnicity,nationality,gender

not every Chinese can be like Bruce Lee
not every Black can run like Jesse Owens
not every Jew can think like Albert Einstein

etc

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.