posted January 26, 2011 12:54 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mochai:
Hrmm, well that is good to know. Thanks for telling me that. When I'm feeling less lazy I'll do it, but I recall seeing a lot of aspects to my mars in pisces when I did that. I also saw that the orb is 5 degrees so I'll take that into account too.

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are you referring to heliocentric Mars?

also if you use the nodes of the minor planets, try using around a 3 degree orb

actually I think that a 3 degree orb would be fine with the dwarf planets/candidates (Pluto,Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Ceres,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion

and 1 degree orb for the smaller objects like all the asteroids except Ceres, all the centaurs,and all the transneptunians that aren't dwarf planets/candidates

of course, the smaller the orb, the stronger the influence

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posted January 26, 2011 01:23 PM            

Kat

posted January 26, 2011 02:22 PM            

from Philip Sedgwick's site:

Dwarf Planet: Eris (136199 / 2003 UB313)

Orbital Period: 556.65 yr., has lunar companion, 4th brightest KBO (Pluto #1), 3000 km diameter? (Pluto is estimated at 2320 Km).

Some preliminary keywords for Eris follow:

Positive - liberation from addictions to success or status, clear priorities regarding matters of love and money, finally getting you can't take it with you and applying full resourcefulness in life, recognition of the potency of one's energy and life force, clear sense of the sacred marriages: spirit to body, self to Creator, between soulful companions, personal sense of emergence.

Negative - greed, workaholism, believe that you must take over for God, general sense of being forsaken, condemned or abandoned, lack of spiritual regard for life, superficial, status oriented.

Mundane: promises and vows (both kept and broken), elections and election fraud, intervention by higher powers (troubleshooters, authorities, deity or God), using chaos and disruption as a method of reorganization - i.e., dumping a closet onto the floor, then reorganizing, things that overturn, the scales of justice, battles, disputes, famine, fightings, lawlessness (attributed to her moon, Dysnomia), lies, manslayings, murders, oath, oblivion, quarrels - and the last word therein, sorrows and toil, contention, rivalry, loved the spilling of blood on the battlefield, the fifth day of the month, gluttony, gloating, the nurse of war, women wearing men’s uniforms (sports players, women in the military, astronauts)

Ceremonial: capitulation ceremonies, vows to create order from chaos, intent to right wrongdoing, abundance ceremonies

Lunar body contributing to keywords: Dysnomia.

NEW DWARF PLANETS (PLUTOIDS)!!

Dwarf Planet: Haumea (Santa Claus /136108 / 2003 EL61)

Orbital Period: 285.31 yr., with two moons, Hi'iaka and Namaka., 3rd brightest KBO (Pluto #1), orbital period w/Moon about 3.9 hours, cigar shaped object because of fast rotational period, 1200 km diameter? Hawaiian creation goddess.

Positive: Soulful confidence, an unshakeable personal inner knowing, creative, regenerative. Able to reconstruct, redefine, transform, especially regarding consciousness, willfulness and restoring rock solid integrity. Supportive. Fostering. Fertile. Creative.

Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees).

Mundane: Self awareness programs. Portraits and or caricatures. “Spin” as in political or media framing of events. Affinity or family bonds with those similar in nature. The Hula. The big island of Hawaii. Storm warnings to sailors in form or rainbow. Lava cooling in the sea to make land. Creation, fertility, childbirth and sisterhood. Verbal affirmations. Body sacrifice. Entourages. Groupies.

Ceremonial: Hulas, regeneration ceremonies, affirmations. Soul-based capitulation ceremonies (surrendering ego to spirit). Ceremonies in which a mask is removed (unmasking of the great Hopi kachina Saquasohuh).

Lunar bodies contributing to keywords: Hi’iaka, Namaka.

Dwarf Planet: Makemake (Easter Bunny / 136472 / 2005 FY9)

Orbital Period 309.00 yr., 2nd brightest KBO (Pluto #1), 1,250 km diameter? From Rapa Nui. Pronounced maki-maki.

Positive: Articulate and ultra-communicative. Self-assuredness, especially by verbal means. Clever, quick-witted and interested in invoking insight and inspiration with speech. Quick to report findings, regardless of impact. Courageous, possessing the willfulness to confront the peril required for discovery or spiritual evolution. Conscious of family security and safety. Protection of the brood.

Negative: Cunning and verbally manipulative. Double talk. Diversion of facts. Declaring false findings (laying an egg, so to speak). Taking flight to avoid consequence. Hiding as a coping skill. Reckless. Disregard for safety of the home. Self-serving.

Mundane: Data collection to support a doctrine or cause. Books, especially those of multi-cultural interest. Translation especially with a cross-cultural theme. Cultural synthesis. Integration of tasks. Computer iterations and/or algorithms. Dissemination of information whether true or false. Split second decisions. Lightning fast assessment. Fertility and fertility procedures. Birds. Fans. Eggs. Creeds. Documents of self declaration - affirmation statements, bios or autobiographies, a feather in one’s cap, selecting a safe location for nesting.

Ceremonial: Incantations. Oral remedies for healing. Meditations to unify the minds of several. Isolation for ceremonial purposes. Shamanic retreat. Cave ceremonies. Ceremonies involving hair cutting. Personal acceptance of one’s cause and karma. Ceremonies involving the use of feathers or eggs (feather fans, Eagle feather cleansing, the egg diagnostics of curanderos and curanderas - common in Ecuador, one of Rapa Nui’s neighbors).

Other Dwarf Planet Candidates

Varuna: Vedic deity of vast power, particularly the waters. Orbital Period: 284.65 yr.

Positive - sovereign, competent, regulating without force, mastery of all tasks accepted

Negative - incompetent and blaming, laments losses, holds resentment

Mundane - appointments or elected positions, delegation of authority, promotions, demotions, court martial, public humiliation

Ceremonial - ceremonies to confirm positions, spiritual coronations, “induced” journeys as in shamanically led vision quests

Ixion: Father of the Centaurs, and not a particularly nice fellow. Orbital Period: 246.78 yr.

Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning

Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience

Mundane - second efforts and chances, reset buttons, cloud seeding, study of weather, watching clouds, lust or coveting of another's mate

Ceremonial - rain dances, purging fires, seeking master healers

Quaoar: Native American deity of creation. The first object in space to bear a Native American name (not counting Hopi and Navajo, which refer to tribes). Orbital Period: 283.84 yr.

Positive - creative, inspiring, possibility oriented, uplifts sagging emotion, strong sense of self

Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear

Mundane - birds, frogs, bears, songs and dances of cultural or spiritual origin, harmony, syncopation, rhythm

Ceremonial - singing and dancing praise the Creator, use of animal totems

Orcus - A lord of the underworld. Orbital Period: 248.01 yr.

Positive: a person of one’s word, challenges broken promises, aligned with a spiritual creed, accountable for personal thought, word and deed

Negative: hypocritical, fault finding in the ways of others, blame assigning, ducks responsibility for word and actions, unable to keep promises

Mundane: contracts, oaths to organizations, religions or countries, creeds

Ceremonial: declaring faith, writing creeds, channeling the latest cosmic downloads and formatting it into doctrine

The Enigmatic Sedna

Not a centaur, nor Trans-Neptunian Object, Sedna is the first named Scattered Disk Object. These bodies have long orbital periods based upon their high eccentricity. They are scattered into the realm "beyond (?)" our solar system by the relatively significant gravity of Neptune.

Sedna's influence appeared in the bowl of chili severed finger incident, a finger in custard incident, and (hopefully more joyfully) in Tim Burton's anifilm, The Corpse Bride.

Sedna - She is the first body to bear the mythology of the arctic's Inuit culture. Orbital Period: 11,013.05 yr.

Positive - a forgiving disposition, discernment, clarity of perception, recognition of free will and choice, responsible, conscious of consequence, far thinking, dharma-oriented, does the homework of life

Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious

Mundane - blubber, products made from sea mammals, whaling, diving bells that go into the dark of the sea, emotional healing, forgiveness, sorrow, engagement, masks, flight of the birds

Ceremonial - cleansing in the sea, propitiation to the sea, sea creatures, use of sea creature talismans (walrus tusk carvings, scrimshaw), ceremony with masks of sea creatures, ceremonial masks in general

minor transneptunians:

Named Trans-Neptunian Objects

Altjira: First body taking Aboriginal name.Orbital Period: 293.65 yr.

Positive: Strong sense of purpose/dharma. Solid work ethic. Sense of appropriate position and need for involvement. Aware of As Above, So Below. Feet on ground, head in sky. Visionary. Proactive and energetic.

Negative: Confusion of work/self - I am what I do. Absorbed in work. Impulsive/hesitant.

Mundane: Foot anomalies, job descriptions, dreams, dream interpretation.

Ceremonial: Vision and dream work, meditations involving detachment exercises, remote viewing.

Borasisi: From Kurt Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle, meaning the Sun in Bokonon cosmology. Orbital Period 290.32

Positive: sense of authority, dominion, mandates, confidence to declare personal power, open-minded, captain-like attitude, quick orders and delegation.

Negative: dictatorial or an imperial attitude, the emperor's clothes, distortion of data, cherry-picking facts, opinionated, blind one's own bigotry, solipsism.

Mundane: relations with offspring, propaganda, mandates, lobbying, political appointments, crony-ism

Ceremonial: Enacting affirmations, declarations, setting one's rules of soulful communication and cosmic law.

Chaos: Before all that is, creator of Gaia and Ouranous (Uranus). Orbital Period: 312.18

Positive - orderly in the face of confusion, goes with the flow, mellow and non-stressed

Negative - worked up, paranoid, projecting fears, assuming disaster is a step away

Mundane - fractal patterns and analysis, big bang theory, chaos theory,

Ceremonial - meditating upon de-materialization, cleansing and re-materializing, dismemberment (shamanic reconstruction)

Rhadamanthus - A member of a tribunal of judges that judged the merits of mortals and souls. Orbital Period: 244.79 yr.

Positive - sanctions second chances, latitude giving, open minded, fair, non-judgmental, seeing the larger picture

Negative - critical, judgmental and damning, feels persecuted and persecutes

Mundane - judges, courts, karmic penalties, justice

Ceremonial - release ceremony to cut cords with a judgmental past

Huya: Egyptian underworld deity, Yaqui and other indigenous lore. Orbital Period: 248.84 yr.

Positive - focused, dedicated, attentive

Negative - fretful, worrying and obsessive

Mundane - attention to detail, religious or spiritual ritual - especially of a repetitive nature.

Ceremonial - capitulation and clearing ceremonies, offerings to spirits, especially those perceived to oversee the underworld

Deucalion: The Greco-Roman Noah, the magic of manifestation. Orbital Period: 295.53 yr.

Positive - understanding the flow (tides of life), manifestation ability, magical, resourceful, seeing the talent in everyone.

Negative - feeling overwhelmed, not able to tread water (keep up with life), financially irresponsible, feels the burden of humanity

Mundane - monetary ability, extremely imaginative and resourceful, magic

Ceremonial - ceremonies of manifestation, spiritual exercises using images of bounty and harvest, runes, reading bones

Logos - The rational way of the Universe, possible precursor to the collective unconscious. Orbital Period: 307.02 yr.

Positive: clarity of personal priorities, belief in one’s own destiny, sense of personal urgency, commitment to self-nurturing and cause, sense of one’s connection to all that Is, logical, rational, use of natural order and law to describe and define life

Negative: arrogance, solipsism, use of data and numbers to defeat valid arguments, sense of superiority (possibly based in inferiority)

Mundane: thought, reason, data, statistics and their use, rhetoric, belief that humans are superior because of reasoning abilities

Ceremonial: proclamation of affirmation, shamanic rituals of disassembly & reassembly, capitulation ceremonies to find one’s place in All

Ceto - aquatic monster symbolizing the fears of the unconscious mind/psyche and the collective unconscious. Orbital Period: 1,039.65 yr.

Positive: potent imagination, adventure oriented, confident, healthy choices of life style.

Negative: fearful, sociopathic (telling tales about horrible woes for pity), insecure, weak willed

Mundane: dreams of monsters - especially sea creatures, oceanic anomalies, whales, whale products, dangers of the sea, unknown terrors, bizarre creatures

Ceremonial: rebirthing ceremonies conducted in ocean waters, demonic purging, exorcism

Typhon - grisly monster with an abundance of heads and serpents, figuration of volcanic forces, hot winds (Santa Ana, Chinooks). Orbital Period: 234.88 yr.

Positive - balance of parts and wholes, sense of details and big picture, ability to reduce overwhelming tasks into manageable steps

Negative - fatigued by details, overwhelmed by daunting tasks, failure consciousness, can’t see the forest for the trees, hidden weapons or threatening with unseen weapons

Mundane - snake worship, lava flow, scary reptiles, highly ionized wind patterns (Chinooks, Santa Anas)

Ceremonial - resetting kundalini to shun fears and anxieties, worship of or including reptiles, ceremonies conducted in caves

Teharonhiawako - Orbital Period: 292.71 yr.

Positive - optimistic, gives others the benefit of the doubt, inspires innovative ideas, quirky, skillful in mediation

Negative - naive, gets blind sided, trusts the untrustworthy, fails to apply healthy skepticism

Mundane - treaties and agreements that require good faith, cellular regeneration, racial issues, migrations, expeditions, cellular growth through splitting, cellular fusion and/or bonding, covalent bonding, glue, meteors - especially those bringing matter and material from other worlds, weed killers, varmint hunting and bounties

Ceremonial - anything carrying the theme "All My Relations," creation or regeneration ceremonies, prayers to invoke cellular clearing and healing, processes of culling, thinning or "weeding" out of the negative

http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

you can calculate the objects and their nodes, perihelion/aphelion here
http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

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posted January 26, 2011 02:24 PM            

Centaurs: Cosmic High Horses

Centaurs are a unique group of bodies more or less part of the Kuiper Belt, a region of icy dust and asteroid-like bodies near the edge of our solar system. There may be hundreds of thousands of Kuiper Belt Objects. A smaller subset of this collection, Centaurs, by definition, must possess a perihelion distance greater than that of Jupiter and a semi-major axis that does not exceed Pluto's aphelion distance from the Sun (originally defined as a semi-major axis less than that of Neptune, but ignored as definition of the bodies continued).

Chiron: The wounded healer who possesses insight, wisdom and grace. Orbital Period: 50.27 yr.

Positive - healing, just, wise, fair, insightful, knowledgeable, skilled in arts, medicine, healing, philosophy, focused, positively full of one’s self, sense of soul’s purpose

Negative - opinionated, teaching others the lessons needed by oneself, wounding, corrupt, illicit, irritating demeanor, clinging, feeling homely or unwanted, estranged from parents

Mundane - healing of all types from allopathic medicine and surgery to chiropractic and all forms of homeopathy and naturopathy, soul retrieval, justice, mentoring programs, cave exploration, illegitimate offspring, archery

Ceremonial - soul retrieval, any natural healing modality, chiropractors, retreats - especially in caves, ceremonial chambers or kivas, making a talking stick or ceremonial arrow

Pholus: Keeper of the sacred wine and host to Hercules. Orbital Period: 91.95 yr.

Positive - just, wise, nurturing, meeting the needs of others while keeping own needs in balance, conscious of choice, ceremonial, pacifism, self nurturing, attentive

Negative - opinionated believing rules of cosmic forces do not apply to oneself, addicted to food or alcohol, careless regarding weaponry (or security tools), ignoring spiritual needs, indulgent, reclusive, meddling

Mundane - food and drink - especially regarding celebrations, daily ceremony and ritual

Ceremonial - toasting, blessings and grace, celebrations, creating a daily hour of power

Nessus: Ferryman at the River Evenus. Orbital Period: 120.76 yr.

Positive - generous, benevolent, compassionate, willing to lend a helping hand, cooperative, respectful of boundaries, aware of the power of life force energy, healthy use of sexual energy

Negative - coveting, possessive, jealous, vengeful, manipulative, resorting to negative alchemy for personal gain, negative use of sexual energy

Mundane - bad blood between parties, feuds over money especially regarding relationship dissolution, diseases transmitted by blood, transport ferries over water, potions, tonics and elixirs designed to cast spells, therapy specifically designed for healing sexual or monetary issues

Ceremonial - prosperity ceremonies, sexual healing rituals, ceremonies involving Earth fertility

Asbolus: An intuitive Auger. Orbital Period: 75.78 yr.

Positive - intrepid, courageous, leading the charge, motivated to reach the top, intuitive, wise, common sense insightful, solid advice

Negative - lack of sensibility, blind action, failing to follow instincts, intuitions, omens or sensors, easily intoxicated, unable to receive advice from self or others

Mundane - common sense, intuitive forces, mountain climbing - specifically in the face of obvious danger, risk taking especially under the influence, abstract logic, extreme sense of smell

Ceremonial - meditation, visualization of tasks before setting to action, climbing to reclaim a sense of nature

Chariklo: (Female) Consort to Athena and healing assistant to Vesta in the temples. Orbital Period: 63.05 yr.

Positive - boundary sensitive, wise, just, non-assumptive especially regarding personal relationship, interrogative about touchy or delicate issues

Negative - judgmental, feeling of being victimized at a glance, assumptive, intolerant, biased by gender archetypes

Mundane - swimming in the nude, eyesight, hearing, flirting, sexual harassment, motivation oriented

Ceremonial - a see no evil, hear no evil scenario, energetic healing, work to clear intent and motive

Hylonome: (Female) Grief stricken at the loss of her mate in battle. Orbital Period: 125.25 yr.

Positive - relationship devotion, sense of self with or without relationship, accommodating

Negative - grief stricken, co dependent, sacrificial, self esteem based upon relationship, self destructive in the face of relational difficulty

Mundane - grief counseling, bereavement work, relationship healing

Ceremonial - bonding ceremonies between couples, cathartic emotional relief regarding lost love, lost money or missed career opportunities

Pelion: Self-confidence for effort and the climb to accomplishment in life. Sacred Space, professional status, gratitude and sense of destiny. Orbital Period: 89.05 yr.

Positive - driven by dharma, balanced ego in professional status, giving, nurturing and sharing with co-workers with an extraordinary generosity.

Negative - Demanding, infantile in work relationships, flaunts social status as a result of accomplishments, showcases with past laurels

Mundane - job recognition, awards and accolades, merits, medals and certificates

Ceremonial - rites of passage, passing of baton, graduation ceremonies into higher spiritual orders

Elatus: Expression of self and ego through word and writing. Orbital Period: 42.16 yr.

Positive - Excellent communication, articulate, precise.

Negative - Verbose, boastful, shallow in conversation.

Mundane - creative writing, affirmations, self improvement courses, poetry

Ceremonial - reciting affirmations, chanting, writing spiritual treatises, ceremonial magic

Thereus: Relational and professional attitudes based upon others. I am what I am in this relationship because of my career status or the ornamentation of this relationship. Orbital Period: 34.63 yr.

Positive - Balance between relationship and work, money and sexuality.

Negative - Object oriented, status seeking, mercenary in work ethics, stunned by glamour and beauty of partner

Mundane - resumes, bios, promotional photos that project an image, any status object whether relational or professional

Ceremonial - tandem energy exercises, hiking for spiritual purpose with a partner, sitting in audience with an enlightened person

Okyrhoe: Daughter of Chiron and Chariklo she promotes principles of discernment and conscious life skills. Orbital Period: 24.38 yr.

Positive - affirming, supporting, common sense based, acute logic skills, organized, detailed

Negative - critical, judgmental, whining or whingeing, prophecies of doom, using logic to find fault, works in perpetual worst case scenarios

Mundane - mental attitude programs, tapes and other repetitive tools for reminding the psyche of a healthy state of mind, failure analysis in technology, spreadsheets and lists - especially those geared at mental health, affirmations, mantras, chants

Ceremonial - chanting, affirming, drumming (establishes cadence), Om exercises, cleaning to promote godliness.

Cyllarus: A handsome, devoted centaur, he represents positive sensual expression, willingness to fully embrace life in the physical plane. Orbital Period: 134.48 yr.

Positive - artistic, soothing, tactile, healing, comforting

Negative - shut down, defensive, protected, lack of creative outlet

Mundane - any body healing including massage, rebirthing, Shiatsu and those involving physical contact, artistic work that comes from full expression, such as painting with the hands, musical skill, culinary ability

Ceremonial - water rituals that include coming back on shore upon completion, rebirthing, creating ceremonies that involve contact with earth elements and water simultaneously.

Bienor - This centaur offers a sense of creative spirit, belief in urge of the soul, confidence. His name means literally, “strong man.” Orbital Period: 66.81 yr.

Positive - creative, inspired, talented, motivated, burning with creative vigor

Negative - repressed, sullen, withdrawn, resentful that life does not respond and bestow rewards

Mundane - benefactors, creative sanctuaries, places of recognition (Halls of Fame, etc.), awards, grants and prizes for projects seeking funding support

Ceremonial - mediation upon the heart, Hatha yoga, meditation in general, creating while listening to or dancing with music, dance ceremonies

Amycus - The longer period of this centaur seeks longevity and notoriety. Orbital Period: 126.38 yr.

Positive - intuitive, questioning, insightful, progressive, determined, reliable

Negative - doubtful, skeptical, withdrawn, often late, unreliable, lacking resolve, insecure

Mundane - doctrines and policies designed to produce a result (policy manuals, creeds), any mechanical device that enables a shift in energy, for instance a clutch for shifting gears, monuments, commandments (as in carved in stone), pictographs and petroglyphs

Ceremonial - stretching, yogas that shift fixed structures, chiropractic sessions, watching storms as a mediation, drumming, descent into the underworld (use of caves or kivas)

Crantor - Emotional declaration stands out as the quest for Crantor, not actually a centaur, but killed by one. A bit of the "What did I every do to you?" syndrome applies. Orbital Period: 86.09 yr.

Positive - sensitive, emotional expressive, strong sense of emotional boundaries, nurturing and passionate

Negative - emotionally abuse, manipulative through feelings, projects guilt, shame and blame upon others, substance abuse

Mundane - acute sense of emotional motivations, cathartic therapies and the ability to lead them, comprehension of emotionally based traumas and phobic responses, grief counseling

Ceremonial - cathartic ceremony, Wailing Wall-like rituals, water cleansing rituals, baptisms, fervent declarations of faith, ceremonies of emotional renewal

Echeclus - The mental balance between the abstract and linear logic. Swift decision making criteria resulting in polarized good idea/bad idea scenarios. Orbital Period 35.24 years.

Positive - mentally integrating, solution oriented, non-judgmental, abstract, conceptual, will shift opinion when new information or consciousness prompts a new set of beliefs

Negative - critical, opinionated, twisted logic, rationalizing, able to justify anything

Mundane - abstract art, conceptual theories, spatial relations, forced decisions under time pressure, close calls, head injuries

Ceremonial - celebration of the coyote or trickster, meditation on time/space warps
http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

You can calculate the objects,nodes,perihelion/aphelion here:
http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 26, 2011 06:38 PM            

Chapter 16

SPIRITUALITY AND THE EDISON-GENE CHILD

The introduction
pages 205 to 206

Relation is the essence of everything that exists.
MEISTER ECKHART

It's been my observation that people with non-mainsteam brains seem to be drawn to non-mainstream religions, ranging from fundamentalist movements to meditativ practices to a fervent commitment to the belief system of atheism. This seems particularly true of Edison-gene people.

Perhaps it's because they've felt like outsiders their entire lives, and many of the people who attend the "middle of the road" churches,synagogues,mosques,and temples are the stable and steady "farmers" who've excluded or outperformed them in other venues such as school (the farmers, after all, represent more than three quarters of all humans). Or maybe they crave stimulation to be found in intense worship or meditative activities or have a stronger need for the unique sense of tribe or community that exists in such places. Or perhaps, because Edison-gene people tend to focus more strongly on what interests them, they tend to seek privately where their interest lies. Or perhaps religions have always ended up representing the cultures that have given rise to them, so that hierachical, male-dominated agricultural cultures have produced hierarchical religions with a male god, whereas egalitarian hunter cultures have produced religions that emphasize more an individual's personal spiritual experience and diminish the role of priests and institutional structures--a religious context more comfortable for Edison-gene people. (Most well-known commentators on this, from Maria Gimbutas and Riane Eisler to Daniel Quinn, have suggested that agricultural cultures will always endup both hierarchical and male-dominated; for further on why, I recommend their books to you.)

Whatever the reason, being aware that Edison-gene children are spiritually-drawn in this way can be useful. Such children are more likely to find solace in religion. For the Edison-gene people I've known over the years, spirituality tends to be intensely personal and experience-based, often including a wide variety of religious institutions and philosophies and even the use of ethnogens. For Edison-gene teenagers and children, however, this can present difficulties. Because they're more likely to experiment and seek their religious experiences in unconventional venues, they're more at risk for coming under the influence of destructive cults (those organizations demanding complete compliance with doctrine, practices, and authority) or for abusing drugs. Even within conventional religions, they tend to be drawn to the intense experience-based fundamentalist or fringe sects and denominations.

EDISON-GENE MYSTICS
pages 206 to 207

The arena of religion known as mysticism is one to which I've found many Edison-gene people are drawn. Mystics, who may come from any religious denomination, are those who have experienced a direct and profound connection with the divine or spiritual, often quite separate from any formal religious institution. St. Francis of Assisi, St. John of the Cross, and the German monk Meister Eckhart are three mystics from the Christian tradition. The most famous Muslim mystic is Rumi; in Judaism, it's arguably the Baal Shem Tov. The most famous Hindu mystic known to Americans is probably Paramahansa Yogananda, autho of Autobiography of a Yogi, the swami who first brought Hinduism to the United States in the 1930's.

Mystics are different from the mainstream religious in that they speak of personal spiritual experience as being of the greatest consequence. They speak of their personal transformation as coming from a direct connection to Jesus, God, Allah, Krishna, Hashem, or, in Buddism, from stepping beyond the beyond into real of pure knowing.

Among tribal peoples--particularly hunter tribes--mysticism is part of life. Many tribes use ethnogens--plants that open doors into other worlds--to achieve their connection to the beyond. For example, peyote is used by some Native American tribes of the southwest and Mexico, and hallucinogenic mushrooms are detoxified through reindeer kidneys are have been used by the tribal people of Norway, who cultivated the mushrooms in reindeer grazing areas. More commonly, rituals involving dance, chanting, prayer, meditation, or sweating are used to alter states of awareness and lead to higher levels of spiritual consciousness.

WHEN ACCESS TO PERSONAL SPIRITUALITY IS LOST
pages 222 to 224

Our Edison-gene children don't have the luxury of growing up in a culture like that of the Sng'oi and instead are bashed and bruised by the lack of fit between their neurology and demands of our culture--particularly in school. The National Institute on Drug Abuse points out that this lack of fit, in part, is why nearly three quarters of all American teenagers have tried illegal drugs by the time they graduate from high school, and in any given month, at least one fifth of all teenagers have taken an illegal drug. Additionally, numerous studies indicate that those children diagnosed with ADHD or other neurological differences are more likely than others to be among those who regularly use drugs.
What are these children trying to achieve?

Back in the 1950s, in an early version of the theory of multiple intelligences, Harvard psychology professor and researcher Dr. Timothy Leary developed on the concept of the "eight-circuit" brain: Each part of the brain, he suggested, has its own unique intelligence, and as each intelligence is exercised or grows, it influences all the others in synergestic ways. Leary's definitions were rather lengthy and academic, but Antero Alli, author of Angel Tech, redefined these "eight interactive functions of intelligence" as "physical, emotional, conceptual, social, sensory, psychic, mythic/imaginative, and spiritual intelligences.

While hunter cultures train their young in each of these areas, our television-and school-driven culture focuses almost exclusively on conceptual and social intelligences. This seems to have caused us to lose some essential part of our connection to the web of humanness, a connection that perhaps our teenagers are trying to find through experimenting with drugs.

In his book, Heart of the Hunter, the famous South African writer Laurens van der Post tells a fascinating story. Because it reminded him of his time among the Sng'oi, Wolff summarized it very elegantly for me: "Van der Post and his hunting party are staying deep in the Kalahari with a small group of Bushmen," Wolff wrote. He continued:

One day they take a few hunters with them to find some meat. They drive 12 miles or so and shoot an eland, which is a very special animal for the Bushmen. They load the eland on their Land Rover...and van der Post says to Dabe [one of the Bushmen] that the women will be surprised when they come home with so much meat.
Dabe looks at him with astonishment. "But they already know," he says. And sure enough, when they get back to the women and old people, they have the fires ready and are dancing and singing because they are eating eland.

After summarizing the story, Wolff wrote that this was very much like his experience with the Sng'oi, adding: Thom, we lost so much when we chose machines!"

Its those losses, the cultural and spiritual disconnection from the hunter roots of our culture and our once-daily interactions with the natural world, that have led so many of our Edison-gene children into the world of drug abuse.

One way many Edison-gene children and adults find their way back to "tribe" and respect for all creation is through the intense experience of personal mysticism or fundamentalist religions that emphasize a personal connection to spirit. When these are found in the context of a religion familiar to the family, the possibility of the need for intense expression leading to involvement with a cult or another dangerous outlet is minimized. Every religion has mystical roots and most have mystical components that are still very much alive.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 26, 2011 08:02 PM            

A priest once told me that the devil chases those with good hearts, or good spirits, I'm not sure how it translates into english. I told him I must have a big heart because it seems that he always chases me.

Sorry if this info seems pointless. I suppose I just wanted to offer some comfort in some way. I hope they leave you alone soon. Ask your bf to pray for you, that might help.

posted January 26, 2011 08:35 PM            

Honestly it doesn't really bother me too much. In the hardest of hearts there is good and vice versa. Fearing it is not the answer. All evil comes back to the light eventually. I'd feel worse for someone who had a weaker disposition placed in the same circumstance.

These things have egos too. The thing I'm planning on getting rid of is highly aware of this and is trying to be much nicer. 90% of the time he complains about food because I don't feed him enough fear. I think he's emaciated.

posted January 26, 2011 08:40 PM            

Fortunately, for all of us, we all grew out of it at a young age...actually I was pretty bad until probably 25 or 26...after I started having my kids...never to the point of overdosing, or suicidal reasons...never jail, or hurting anyone though, other than myself by taking them...

Both of my boys have tried killing themselves at 16 years...on the same medication, when they had a bad reaction to it...which is something you saw in Matt's chart...

I am going to look more into this gene...both my side, and their fathers side has/had a large amount of alcoholics especially...I have been becoming aware of the 'gifts' that most of these family members had, or have...

We have lost 3 family members since 2005 to alcohol related injuries and illnesses, their father this past June....and I almost lost my daughter a few years back to an alcohol related accident..

Can you tell by looking at one's natal? If so, does this look like the chart of an Edison gene 'kid'? Thank you so much Glac!

Kat

posted January 26, 2011 09:28 PM            

I also have had nature speak to me, as well as christ, as well as the divine feminine, all these have spoken to me on a personal level - i've almost fallen out of traditional religion, and several cult leaders have tried to incorporate me, however I was too strong for them thanks to my earthly vitality which they envied and caused their own downfall===I already knew this would happen, as they disintegrated in my dreams as I resisted their charms. I was competely passive...as christ conciousness informed me to be. At first I did not know that they were evil until i discovered that none of them trusted me or gave me the benefit of the doubt, when i trusted all of them first hand, without question....I learned my lesson, trust but learn to tell the signs of a syccophant.

posted January 26, 2011 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by blonderiverkat:
Wonderful info Glac...I have never heard of the Edison gene before! Myself, and my kids all did the drug thing at a young age...I always wondered why we were so drawn to them, and 'escaping' reality...

Fortunately, for all of us, we all grew out of it at a young age...actually I was pretty bad until probably 25 or 26...after I started having my kids...never to the point of overdosing, or suicidal reasons...never jail, or hurting anyone though, other than myself by taking them...

Both of my boys have tried killing themselves at 16 years...on the same medication, when they had a bad reaction to it...which is something you saw in Matt's chart...

I am going to look more into this gene...both my side, and their fathers side has/had a large amount of alcoholics especially...I have been becoming aware of the 'gifts' that most of these family members had, or have...

We have lost 3 family members since 2005 to alcohol related injuries and illnesses, their father this past June....and I almost lost my daughter a few years back to an alcohol related accident..

Can you tell by looking at one's natal? If so, does this look like the chart of an Edison gene 'kid'? Thank you so much Glac!

Kat

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posted January 26, 2011 09:37 PM            

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Originally posted by blonderiverkat:
Wonderful info Glac...I have never heard of the Edison gene before! Myself, and my kids all did the drug thing at a young age...I always wondered why we were so drawn to them, and 'escaping' reality...

Fortunately, for all of us, we all grew out of it at a young age...actually I was pretty bad until probably 25 or 26...after I started having my kids...never to the point of overdosing, or suicidal reasons...never jail, or hurting anyone though, other than myself by taking them...

Both of my boys have tried killing themselves at 16 years...on the same medication, when they had a bad reaction to it...which is something you saw in Matt's chart...

I am going to look more into this gene...both my side, and their fathers side has/had a large amount of alcoholics especially...I have been becoming aware of the 'gifts' that most of these family members had, or have...

We have lost 3 family members since 2005 to alcohol related injuries and illnesses, their father this past June....and I almost lost my daughter a few years back to an alcohol related accident..

Can you tell by looking at one's natal? If so, does this look like the chart of an Edison gene 'kid'? Thank you so much Glac!

Kat

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I posted about Edison Gene,DRD4 7R gene
in this thread already.
I don't know if you know that already.

I posted January 24, 2011 04:05 PM

What Thom Hartmann is referring to as the Edison Gene is the DRD4 7R allele which is a gene strongly connected to novelty seeking and is said to be found in approximately half of ADHD cases. It's a spontaneous genetic mutation that appeared between 10,000 and 40,000 years ago. It is said to be an advantageous mutation that helped humans thrive and survive. It seems to confirm Thom Hartmann's theory that ADHD traits and Hunter traits are one and the same.
DRD4 7R gene is a dopamine gene. ADHDers are said to have unusual levels of dopamine.

page 4 - 5 THE EDISON GENE ADHD And The Gift Of The Hunter Child by Thom Hartmann

What exactly defines those bearing this genetic makeup? Edison-gene children and adults are by nature

Enthusiastic
Creative
Disorganized
Non-linear in their thinking (they leap to new conclusions or observations)
Innovative
Easily distracted (or,to put it differently, easily attracted to new stimuli)
Capable of extraordinary hyperfocus
Understanding of what it means to be an "outsider"
Determined
Eccentric
Easily Bored
Impulsive
Entrepreneurial
Energetic

All of these qualities lead them to be natural:

Explorers
Inventors
Discoverers
Leaders

I also believe that the Edison-gene children and adults can be good at things that involve anything that involves thinking outside the box,creativity,art,athletics,sports,being an entrepreneur, intuitive healing arts,metaphysical sciences like Astrology,anything that is nontraditional, computers,electronics,massage,acting,and show business.

Thom Hartmann points out that those carrying the gene often find themselves in environments where they're coerced,threatened,or shoehorned into a classroom or job that doesn't fit. He said when Edison-gene children can have great emotional and spiritual wounding when they aren't recognized for their gifts but instead are told that they're disordered,broken,or failures. He points that the wounding can bring all sorts of problems for children,for the adults they grow into,and for our society.

He and many scientists,educators,physicians,and therapists believe that when these unique children don't succeed in public schools,it's often because of a disconnect between them---their brains are wired to make them brilliant inventors and entrepreneurs--and our schools,which are set up for children whose brains are wired to make them good workers in the structured environments of a factory of office cubicle.

I think that there are a lot of things factor in the life of an ADHDer,Edison Gene person like nurturing,upbringing,and the environment that they are in. That includes the domestic environment and the school environment. Support,love,and care is very important for neurodivergent children so they can grow up to be secure and believe in themselves. If they are abused in any kind of way and treated like they are stupid,incompetent,damaged,and/or defective(especially get placed in special education programs with the mentally retarded or being medicated), they can grow to be insecure and have low self esteem because their ultrasensitivity can make them highly vulnerable,susceptible to being strongly impacted by negativity.

I was posted in regards to ADHD which is one of the neurodivergent conditions which I believed to be reflected by both a strong outerplanet influence and strong transneptunian influence

You would have to get some type of genetic testing to see if you have the DRD4 7R allele

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 26, 2011 09:45 PM            

Thanks road for the input...

Kat

posted January 26, 2011 09:56 PM            

I always use the astro.com charts from extended chart selection

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 26, 2011 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by blonderiverkat:
I use the charts from astro.com from the extended chart selections...However, there are alot of selections...

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I use the web default style.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 26, 2011 11:29 PM            

Thanks for showing me a chart that is easier to read for you and others Glac...perhaps that is the reason why when others have asked to see a chart they never responded again?...lol

posted January 27, 2011 10:17 AM            

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Originally posted by mochai:

These things have egos too. The thing I'm planning on getting rid of is highly aware of this and is trying to be much nicer.

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Originally posted by mochai:
I'd feel worse for someone who had a weaker disposition placed in the same circumstance.

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posted January 27, 2011 10:32 AM            

was wondering,maybe if i post my natal chart(:/ sorry its not the best version as i read)anyone like glaucius with alot of know-how on indigo traits would be able to detect some striking evidence that points to me being really indigo,only if you lie to do it of course no musts!