posted June 22, 2012 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
I am not even sure I believe you, aquaguy. It has happened to me before that people tell me their relationship is saturn heavy, and then when i look at it, it isn't saturn heavy at all, and the aspect they said they had isn't there at all. I would honestly have to look at what is going on for myself.

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posted June 23, 2012 12:02 AM            

When i first started talking about love stelliums and sun conjunct venus, almost everyone who commented was like "what? Sun conjunct venus doesn't mean true love...it's more like moon conjunct venus..yadda yadda yadda"

Then I put together a whole thread dedicated to analyzing the relationships people wanted to post, so I could make a small collection of images of the most frequently occurring composite charts in important relationships. And guess how many Moon conjunct venuses showed up in either synastry or composite? NONE. ZERO. I already knew it was love stelliums and composites with almost all planets conjunct each other. Then, as it turns out most of them were indeed those two kinds of composites, and they did turn out to be relationships with strong feelings. And there it was again and again, either a love stellium, or a relationship with all planets conjunct in composite. And the ones that didnt have that I described as "distant and unable to connect" and the feedback was that i was correct. But at first nobody believed me. It's fine. You don't want to learn. Really, that's fine. I'll just keep telling whoever will listen.

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posted June 23, 2012 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
[b]I am not even sure I believe you, aquaguy. It has happened to me before that people tell me their relationship is saturn heavy, and then when i look at it, it isn't saturn heavy at all, and the aspect they said they had isn't there at all. I would honestly have to look at what is going on for myself.

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Aquaguy, a saturn heavy relationship means that you will attract all this bad luck to you by being together. You will experience financial loss, family opposing the two of you being together, sickness.....why would you want to experience all of that with someone. By being with someone who you have negative saturn with, you are calling all of that to be a part of your destiny. Why would that ever be good?
It didn't happen out of coincidence. It was part of your destiny with that person if u were to choose to stay together. That's just saturn for you. It will make sure you will face responsibility about life THE HARD WAY nose to the concrete in whatever way it can find.

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Imagination is intelligence having fun.
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posted June 23, 2012 12:10 AM            

Yes, you're right! Too much uranus also ruins relationships. Double whammy uranus aspects, too. Causes on/off relationships.

You can think of heavy saturn as a slow and painful death of the relationship, while venus square uranus as a sudden end to the relationship. But even though uranus, sucks, saturn feels much much more terribly cold and lonely. Life being sucked out of you kinda thing. Yep. lol. That serious ^__^

Aquaguy, I forgot to mention, with your saturn squaring all her planets, you were probably there for her all throughout the relatinoship, but I bet you she wasn't. That another thing, heavy saturn is unrequited love. Especially since it was your saturn squaring her personal planets. And you probably were quite unaware of your negative effect on her. Saturn is loyal, the other person feels repressed and wants to get out even though they feel thankful for the loyalty.

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posted June 23, 2012 12:14 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Aquaguy, a saturn heavy relationship means that you will attract all this bad luck to you by being together. You will experience financial loss, family opposing the two of you being together, sickness.....why would you want to experience all of that with someone. By being with someone who you have negative saturn with, you are calling all of that to be a part of your destiny. Why would that ever be good?
It didn't happen out of coincidence. It was part of your destiny with that person if u were to choose to stay together. That's just saturn for you. It will make sure you will face responsibility about life THE HARD WAY nose to the concrete in whatever way it can find.

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posted June 23, 2012 12:18 AM            

It's not being fatalistic at all. It's about lessons.

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posted June 23, 2012 12:20 AM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Yup I believe in the slow death coz Saturn was the glue to too much Uranus aspects & when I said "I'm not happy." a light went off & she slowly let me go. It wasn't easy for her.

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Oo I see the dynamics now. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing sweets <3

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posted June 23, 2012 12:24 AM            

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i should be in prison or jail right now(sun conjunct saturn in the twelfth)

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Don't even TRY to hide the fact that you're a bad boy. Only I know how many times I had to bail you out!
Geesh - Why did I have to marry you?

posted June 23, 2012 12:26 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Oo I see the dynamics now. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing sweets <3

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posted June 23, 2012 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
aquaguy -

Don't even TRY to hide the fact that you're a bad boy. Only I know how many times I had to bail you out!
Geesh - Why did I have to marry you?

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posted June 23, 2012 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
we did have alot of karma and issues between us ,i'm not going to lie, most of it centered around her irrational fears of losing me, on multiple occassions she said "i know ,i just know im going to lose you, every good thing i ever have gets taken from me." so because of those fears she just chucked what we had away.

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posted June 23, 2012 12:32 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
haha i'm not defying what you say, just sharing my experience. by the way i agree that saturn does end bad most of the time, in my original post i said it is great if both people are mature and ready for commitment, thats a pretty big disclaimer.

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but the thing is with negative saturn, the other person shouldnt stay if they feel repressed, no matter how mature or more committed towards relationships they have become over the years. If someone isn't happy, they just aren't happy. It's not about being committed. You know? That's the whole problem with saturn, the two people are too committed to each other when they SHOULDN'T BE because they aren't happy. If you are in a saturnian relationship please don't be afraid to get out now

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posted June 23, 2012 12:33 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
we did have alot of karma and issues between us ,i'm not going to lie, most of it centered around her irrational fears of losing me, on multiple occassions she said "i know ,i just know im going to lose you, every good thing i ever have gets taken from me." so because of those fears she just chucked what we had away.

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Oh, wow, really? Now i am confused. lol. i would think with all your saturn squaring her planets she would feel repressed/restricted/criticized by you?

posted June 23, 2012 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I suspect many people stay in Saturnian relationships because they are AFRAID of being alone. Saturn can generate a lot of fear of breaking up. There is a saying, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know, you betta believe it was a Saturnian person who created it.

However, if 2 people really do the work involved in making a relationship work instead of just staying out of fear or out of a masochistic sense of duty, they might actually end up having a wonderful relationship. Saturn rewards hard work.

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posted June 23, 2012 12:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I suspect many people stay in Saturnian relationships because they are AFRAID of being alone. Saturn can generate a lot of fear of breaking up. There is a saying, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know, you betta believe it was a Saturnian person who created it.

However, if 2 people really do the work involved in making a relationship work instead of just staying out of fear or out of a masochistic sense of duty, they might actually end up having a wonderful relationship. Saturn rewards hard work.

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Really? Hmm. I guess i would have to see a relationship that worked out happily despite heavy saturn. <3 Oh that would be quite an inspiring story how sweet

but the problem is astrology only reflects real life. and what saturn heavy astrology reflects is that two people have come together who take life too seriously in the same areas or ways, and so they reinforce their seriousness in one another.

In contrast, for example, when you have a pluto heavy relationship, it means two people have come together who see love as more than just a sexual thing, and who are looking for more than an ordinary feeling out of love. so that's why the relationship is more meaningful between them, since they are both looking for that depth in love.

Astrology only reflects real life. That's why i dont really believe in that overcome stuff. But, i guess it could be done. Always good to be optimistic. lol

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posted June 23, 2012 12:39 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Oh, wow, really? Now i am confused. lol. i would think with all your saturn squaring her planets she would feel repressed/restricted/criticized by you?

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posted June 23, 2012 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
haha ok. let me explain, she had alot of saturn squares natally and her dad died when she was very young, she had been a big time daddy's girl. so she had alot of fear of losing people she loved, fastforward f

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so did she or didnt she feel restricted by you lol

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posted June 23, 2012 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I like Saturn in synastry.
I think it depends on your natal chart as well.
I have Capricorn and Saturn influence in natal - so I feel very comfortable with it

That feeling of having a bond and sticking together no matter what life throws your way -- I think it is *special* - not something to regret.

I understand what you are saying though ^ that people should be together because they have feelings for each other - not just because they feel a responsibility.

But - the LACK of love - means a lack of loving aspects...
The presence of Saturn is only stabilising and long lasting.
It can make both loving and non-loving relationships last.
If you also have nice aspects between Sun-Sun, Moon-Moon, Venus-Venus, Mars-Mars, Sun-Moon, Venus-Mars... that will generate love and affection.

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I couldn’t agree more. Personally, I love Saturn as long as it is balanced with other nice planetary combinations in the synastry, for affection and passion, as well as dependability. Gimme Sun, Venus, Mars, Moon, and Jupiter aspects, and even some Uranus aspects for fun, and I’m quite content to deal with Saturn…. Sextiles and trines that is. I wouldn’t want more then one hard aspect from Saturn in the synastry. Stability is good, but too much criticism would eventually take it’s toll. I’m a Capricorn sun and actually feel like I need Saturn to some degree… I have to have that feeling in a relationship that we’re in it together no matter what…. Soft aspects form Saturn are good for this.