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Topic: Saturn ruins relationships
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RunAroundScreaming
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posted June 22, 2012 10:41 PM
  
I am doing reports on ebay and there are all these people who have been with their significant other for a long long time, and they are so unhappy because of saturn. Yet they stay because of the security saturn gives.Can we discuss the way saturn works in relationships? It makes me very frustrated to see this happen to people, even though it has happened to me before. I want to say, be honest with yourself. Just leave! But at the same time I have been there before myself! LOL! It was very hard to walk away from my saturnian friendships/relationships. I felt a strong sense of responsibility for that person. Like it was my responsibility to protect them and care for them and make sure they were okay because I owed it to them for everything they had done and do for me. Experiences, opinions anyone? ------------------
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AshSkye
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posted June 22, 2012 10:47 PM
Define a Saturnian friendship/relationship?IP: Logged |
Lazyscarecrow
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posted June 22, 2012 10:51 PM
Hey RAS. I know how it feels with Saturn-themed relationships. I am kinda going through it myself. In my composite with one of my friends, I have Moon sq Saturn and I do feel like I owe her alot because she's helped me with many situations and introduced me to new interests but at the same time, I feel like it's a one-sided friendship in regards to emotional support. Maybe it is just me being oversensitive.Also, I have a question regarding Saturn themed relationships. Two questions, really. In those readings you did, was it just harsh aspects to Saturn or was there unhappiness even with the trines and sextiles? And second, if both people have venus opposite saturn in their natal chart and then it carries over to the composite, does that mean there will still be issues? Sorry this is so lengthy. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted June 22, 2012 10:52 PM
It does? Sure works for me. I have Saturn to Venus, Saturn to Moon, Saturn to Neotune, Saturn to Pluto and Saturn to Chiron. No issues.IP: Logged |
Yin
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posted June 22, 2012 11:08 PM
Saturn relationships are much different at an older age. Saturn required maturity.
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted June 22, 2012 11:09 PM
But how about the start of marriage when I was much younger?IP: Logged |
AshSkye
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posted June 22, 2012 11:09 PM
It's extremely hard to leave one, I've just got out of one, Mars Sq Saturn (me being Mars)= horrible, leaving the relationship was one of the hardest things I've had to do because I felt a certain sense of belonging to him but at the same time I felt as if there was something better out there for me. It ruined mine because when we were together, it was bad, when I tried to leave, it was worse.
Well, Mars sq Saturn is one of the worst aspects to have in synastry IP: Logged |
Yin
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posted June 22, 2012 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
But how about the start of marriage when I was much younger?
Maybe you were mature for your young age? IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted June 22, 2012 11:14 PM
I like Saturn in synastry.
I think it depends on your natal chart as well.
I have Capricorn and Saturn influence in natal - so I feel very comfortable with it  That feeling of having a bond and sticking together no matter what life throws your way -- I think it is *special* - not something to regret. I understand what you are saying though ^ that people should be together because they have feelings for each other - not just because they feel a responsibility. But - the LACK of love - means a lack of loving aspects...
The presence of Saturn is only stabilising and long lasting.
It can make both loving and non-loving relationships last.
If you also have nice aspects between Sun-Sun, Moon-Moon, Venus-Venus, Mars-Mars, Sun-Moon, Venus-Mars... that will generate love and affection. IP: Logged |
ariesdragon
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posted June 22, 2012 11:16 PM
Ooh ya good topic Ras
Saturn is a glue that's for sure. I had Saturn conjunct mars what do u think of that?
Saturn conjunct Chiron (hard)
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aquaguy91
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posted June 22, 2012 11:17 PM
i think saturn is good if the two people are mature enough to handle commitment. alot of people talk about how they hate feeling responsible for their partner and their feelings and happiness. but dont you have to have that to an extent to have a relationship that can stand the test of time? i had heavy saturn synastry with a girl and i have never felt a more intense love for somebody before, i wanted to be a better man for her, screw all this talk about pluto's passion, saturn is where its at.IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted June 22, 2012 11:21 PM
A family member has their Saturn conjunct my NN-Venus-Jupiter conjunction. They raised me in place of a parent and offered me a 'stable' home but they were emotionally up and down and didn't give me the love and affection I desired from their Saturn touching my Venus in a hard aspect. At this time I feel that they did a lot for me and I am extremely guilty for disliking them and feeling like they don't give me enough love and genuine care. I think guilt as other posters have noted is common with Saturn-themed relationships, you feel guilty if you ever want to leave or separate and the person I'm close with is extremely possessive and I feel the need to break ties but it's very hard. I can't stand the way they restrict my creative expression by being stern and picky. They literally don't know how to make me feel better when I'm sad. I constantly see them, for whatever reason, as someone devoid of truly loving.... IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted June 22, 2012 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
The presence of Saturn is only stabilising and long lasting.
It can make both loving and non-loving relationships last.
I was also going to say that being a Cap sun probably makes me more comfortable with a "saturnine" relationship.
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RunAroundScreaming
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posted June 22, 2012 11:30 PM
i feel you, sweet scorpion. <3 sorry to hear that.------------------
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ariesdragon
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posted June 22, 2012 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
I was also going to say that being a Cap sun probably makes me more comfortable with a "saturnine" relationship.
I agree with this Faith
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aquaguy91
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posted June 22, 2012 11:37 PM
the scene from the notebook where allie says we are already fighting ,why dont we give up? and noah responds its gonna be hard and we are gonna have to work at it everyday, but im willing to do that because i want you. that whole scene is a good example of saturnian love.IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted June 22, 2012 11:40 PM
No no no. I found myself shaking my head as I read this. A lot of you don't seem to understand what a heavy saturn relationship is. It is never good.You saying that negative saturnian love is okay is what stops people from taking a second look at the saturn in their synastry/composite when deciding to date someone! No matter what age you are, no matter what's in your chart negative saturn is not good. I have sun opposite saturn as well as mercury opposite saturn, saturn in the 3rd house, and venus and mars quincunx saturn, plus a stellium of three planets in the 10th house, plus another stellium of three planets in the 3rd house in capricorn. I am quite saturnian, and I hate saturn relationships. It makes me laugh when I see people say they like saturnian relationships. Where do you get this from? What made the relationship saturnian? Okay, for those of you who asked
A saturnian relationships is one where you either have double whammy saturn aspects. such as, for example, mutual moon-saturn, sun-saturn, mars-saturn, venus-saturn aspects...etc But they have to be MUTUAL Or also you can simply have more than one negative saturn aspects. Such as sun opposite saturn in synastry as well as mars square saturn in syanstry. Usually one negative saturn aspect isnt enough to make a relationship feel heavy. For those of you who are saying one negative saturn aspect in synastry ruined ur relationship, you most likely have a negative minor aspect involving saturn in the composite. Or you can also have a saturn heavy relationship simply by the composite. You might have sun conjunct saturn, or moon semisquare saturn. Done, saturn ruined your relationship if you have either of those in the composite. It has to be a conjunction or negative aspect for it to be considered a bad saturn aspect in synastry or composite, though (or double whammy of course). Saturn trines/sextiles are very very nice in both synastry and composite. YTA, remember when i did your report? I never said anything about your relationship being saturn heavy, right? That's bc it isn't! ur good. saturn trines create stability and a sense of trust in synastry. it's just the double whammies which are terrible, even if it is trines or sextiles we are talking about. ------------------
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ariesdragon
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posted June 22, 2012 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
the scene from the notebook where allie says we are already fighting ,why dont we give up? and noah responds its gonna be hard and we are gonna have to work at it everyday, but im willing to do that because i want you. that whole scene is a good example of saturnian love.
Oh yeah datz the ishh right thurr!!!
No I'm not a brotha!  IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted June 22, 2012 11:45 PM
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A saturnian relationships is one where you either have double whammy saturn aspects
I have my Sun trine my Saturn. He has his Sun trine his Saturn. we've known each other for over 4 yrs.
In synastry these form a grand trine in fire ^
My Saturn trining his Sun (exact)... and His Saturn conjunct my Sun exact.
We also have it in the composite! And in the first meeting chart!
And all the aspects are *exact*.. on the exact same degrees. I LOVE him. I want him to be in my life forever.. not romantically - but forever... because I LOVE the person he is.
There is nothing wrong with Saturn. But OK - oppositions and squares can always be more difficult... with *any* planets.. not just Saturn. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted June 22, 2012 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
I have my Sun trine my Saturn. He has his Sun trine his Saturn. we've known each other for over 4 yrs.
In synastry these form a grand trine in fire ^
My Saturn trining his Sun (exact)... and His Saturn conjunct my Sun exact.I LOVE him. I want him to be in my life forever.. not romantically - but forever... because I LOVE the person he is.
There is nothing wrong with Saturn. But OK - oppositions and squares can always be more difficult... with *any* planets.. not just Saturn.
Sun Mutually Aspects Saturn As a couple, you tend to focus too much on the responsibilities and duties that you have to each other and not enough time to simply have fun, laugh, and enjoy life. Both of you are also likely to feel blocked in your creative expression. You may feel judged and criticized by each other, and that you hold one another back. Many astrologers would say that you owe each other a 'karmic debt', and whether this is true or not, you will be called on to make lots of sacrifices for one another.
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I'm not saying you don't love him. I have double whammy moon saturn trines with someone i love. But it still doesn't mean you won't make each other depressed and feel lonely together. ------------------
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aquaguy91
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posted June 22, 2012 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
No no no. I found myself shaking my head as I read this. A lot of you don't seem to understand what a heavy saturn relationship is. It is never good. No matter what age you are, no matter what's in your chart. I have sun opposite saturn as well as mercury opposite saturn, saturn in the 3rd house, and venus and mars quincunx saturn, plus a stellium of three planets in the 10th house, plus another stellium of three planets in the 3rd house in capricorn. I am quite saturnian, and I hate saturn relationships. It makes me laugh when I see people say they like saturnian relationships. Where do you get this from? What made the relationship saturnian?Okay, for those of you who asked
A saturnian relationships is one where you either have double whammy saturn aspects. such as, for example, mutual moon-saturn, sun-saturn, mars-saturn, venus-saturn aspects...etc But they have to be MUTUAL Or also you can simply have more than one negative saturn aspects. Such as sun opposite saturn in synastry as well as mars square saturn in syanstry. Usually one negative saturn aspect isnt enough to make a relationship feel heavy. For those of you who are saying one negative saturn aspect in synastry ruined ur relationship, you most likely have a negative minor aspect involving saturn in the composite. Or you can also have a saturn heavy relationship simply by the composite. You might have sun conjunct saturn, or moon semisquare saturn. Done, saturn ruined your relationship if you have either of those in the composite. It has to be a conjunction or negative aspect for it to be considered a bad saturn aspect in synastry or composite, though (or double whammy of course). Saturn trines/sextiles are very very nice in both synastry and composite. YTA, remember when i did your report? I never said anything about your relationship being saturn heavy, right? That's bc it isn't! ur good. saturn trines create stability and a sense of trust in synastry. it's just the double whammies which are terrible, even if it is trines or sextiles we are talking about.
i disagree , and here's why, yea saturn can lead to hardship, but you dont know the true strength of a relationship until you meet adversity, that girl i had heavy saturn with had health,problems and a psycho family and even then i still wanted her only her, thats when i knew i was truly in love. yea it didnt end well but if we had both been more mature and less insecure it could have been a lasting thing.IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted June 22, 2012 11:51 PM
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It has to be a conjunction or negative aspect
Conjunctions have always, without much fail - worked out for me as positive aspects... including Sun conj Saturn (but this is in synastry). The ONLY conjunction that I do not find pleasant at all is - Venus conjunct Mars. Other than that I find conjunctions very supportive. I don't really agree with conjunctions being classed as 'hard' - with oppositions and squares. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted June 22, 2012 11:52 PM
I am not even sure I believe you, aquaguy. It has happened to me before that people tell me their relationship is saturn heavy, and then when i look at it, it isn't saturn heavy at all, and the aspect they said they had isn't there at all. I would honestly have to look at what is going on for myself. ------------------
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RunAroundScreaming
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posted June 22, 2012 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Conjunctions have always, without much fail - worked out for me as positive aspects... including Sun conj Saturn (but this is in synastry).The ONLY conjunction that I do not find pleasant at all is - Venus conjunct Mars. Other than that I find conjunctions very supportive. I don't really agree with conjunctions being classed as 'hard' - with oppositions and squares.
I think you are confused. Probably there were other bad aspects that you are attributing to the venus-mars conjunction as the reason for the bad feelings? ------------------
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Odette
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posted June 22, 2012 11:58 PM
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But it still doesn't mean you won't make each other depressed and feel lonely together.
It feels more like an ongoing fire (since the aspects are in fire - Aries-Leo-Sag grand trine).
I know I can count on him. If anything he just makes me feel safe... like if anything happens - If my whole world crumbles down - I know he is there.. and this makes me feel like - the opposite of depressed. There is nothing lonely about it either. We have good Mercury aspects - Mercury trine Mercury (and trine his Neptune) in water... so there's no inhibition when it comes to expressing emotion. I really don't think Saturn makes you feel lonely.
I mean - if you don't have nice Sun/Moon aspects.. Venus/Mars and Mercury - that's WHEN you feel lonely. Just my opinion... The people you mentioned... Did they have OTHER meaningful nice aspects? Were their Mercuries in sync?
Because bad communication can cause that feeling of "coldness" and inability to connect.
It's not just about Saturn.
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Probably there were other bad aspects that you are attributing to the venus-mars conjunction as the reason for the bad feelings?
It could be! Because in natal my Venus is opposite Pluto.. so when their Mars is on my Venus - sometimes they really just tick me off. I feel aggravated around them.
Maybe if it was my Mars conj THEIR Venus - I'd like it better. IP: Logged |
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