posted June 23, 2012 06:51 AM              

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Belage:
[b]Saturn rewards hard work.

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I agree, no planet or aspect really ruins a relationship. It is how the individual deals with them or handle them that decide about the relationship.

Having said that some energies apparently are more difficult to deal with in a mature way, though people are different, and where Saturn actually might be too harsh to handle for some people, others like and even need it.

Obviously there have to be more personal aspects than only Saturnian ones to make people want to stay in a relationship.

I know too many people with so-called stressful Saturnian synastry who have been together for a long time and how genuinely love each other and are happy with each other, to conclude that Saturn ALWAYS ruins any chances of happiness.

Like always it is all about balance.

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However, I do agree that too many harsh Saturn-aspects, especially to the softer energies of Moon, Venus, Neptune, but also to Sun, Mars, ASC can get too weary.

And sure, you can overcome anything, but the question is will you feel that it`s worth it?

In the case of my parents they did a good job for the last 38 years, and they are still holding hands! lol

They have a
DW Mars-Saturn-conjunction
DW Sun-Saturn (trine and semisquare, which is not just as harsh, and trines are nice)
DW Venus-Saturn (trine and conjunction)
Saturn conjunct SN exact

I think there is quite some Saturnian emphasis, BUT as you can see there is no square or opposition there.

in the composite Saturn conjuncts Mars on the SN as well.

But as I said they also have nice synastric aspects to balance that out
Venus conjunct ASC exact
Sun opposite Moon
Sun sxtile Jupiter exact
Moon semisquare Venus
NN conjunct Jupiter
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and in composite:
Sun sextile Neptune and trine Pluto exact
Moon sesisquare Venus
Moon trine Jupiter
Moon conjunct Antivertex
Venus sextile Mars
Neptune sextile ASC
Pluto conjunct ASC
Sun conjunct Mercury

posted June 23, 2012 08:06 AM            

A lot of people date to have fun with partners.

I dated with the specific ambition to get married and have babies as quickly as possible

posted June 23, 2012 08:15 AM              

My Mum has Cancer ASC and my Dad has Saturn exactly conjunct ASC and ASC-ruler in Capricorn trine Saturn and ASC.

posted June 23, 2012 08:21 AM              

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I guess it's again a matter of perspective.

A lot of people date to have fun with partners.

I dated with the specific ambition to get married and have babies as quickly as possible

That's why I [b]looked forward to and cherished commitment and responsibility, and actually wanted the seriousness of Saturn, I guess. I think that's why I like the Saturn influence so much.[/B]

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My best friend never wanted "passion" (and that with Venus; MErcury, Mars conjuunct Pluto opposite Moon in natal. lol), she never wanted to date to have the feeling of being "in love".

She sure wants love, but for her its more a kind of family-love, very committed and her and her husband working as a team, someone she totally can rely on, her best friend and partner; but that what most people are looking for, it is not for her. She doesn`t want that. Not the starry eyed kind of romance.

Nevertheless I think, `she has found her soulmate in her husband.

She has a Capricorn DESC with Saturn being in a Kite formation with Moon, Neptune, and the Mercury-Venus-Mars-Pluto-stellium.

Her husband has Sun conjunct ASC in Capricorn, which falls almost exaclty onto her DESC.

They do have Saturn-Moon-opposition (and possibly some others).

posted June 23, 2012 08:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Her husband has Sun conjunct ASC in Capricorn, which falls almost exaclty onto her DESC.

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posted June 23, 2012 09:27 AM            

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A lot of people date to have fun with partners.

I dated with the specific ambition to get married and have babies as quickly as possible

That's why I looked forward to and cherished commitment and responsibility, and actually wanted the seriousness of Saturn, I guess. I think that's why I like the Saturn influence so much.

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Same story for my parents (Leo-mom/Cap-dad)
Together till death did them apart.

Her Saturn (square her own Mars) opposite his Moon/Venus conjunction, so making it a T-square (verrrry reasonable orb). Saturn/Venus repeated in the declinations as an exact contra-parallel (or are we just going to deny the declinations?)
His Saturn (quincunx his own M/V) trine her Mars/Mercury(which squared his Moon/Venus).
She survived him for 15 years but always said that if she would do it all over again then exactly the same with my dad.

posted June 23, 2012 10:00 AM              

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Originally posted by Lonake:
C, Your father sounds insanely stable <-- oxymoron, but maybe true

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LOL Usually you wouldn´t think that about a man with Sun, Venus and Jupiter in Aquarius, right?

But yes, he has this emphasis on Aquarius, and then a lot of stability (his Moon is in Taurus) and a bit of "underground intensity" I guess (Moon in 8th house, Venus opposite Pluto).

Both, him and my mother, have strong earthy influences (esp. Virgo) as well as Uranus and Pluto.

posted June 23, 2012 10:31 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Really? Hmm. I guess i would have to see a relationship that worked out happily despite heavy saturn. <3 Oh that would be quite an inspiring story how sweet

but the problem is astrology only reflects real life. and what saturn heavy astrology reflects is that two people have come together who take life too seriously in the same areas or ways, and so they reinforce their seriousness in one another.

In contrast, for example, when you have a pluto heavy relationship, it means two people have come together who see love as more than just a sexual thing, and who are looking for more than an ordinary feeling out of love. so that's why the relationship is more meaningful between them, since they are both looking for that depth in love.

Astrology only reflects real life. That's why i dont really believe in that overcome stuff. But, i guess it could be done. Always good to be optimistic. lol

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One thing we need to keep in mind is each individual chart to begin with. Someone who already has heavy Saturn influence in their chart is MORE LIKELY to be able to handle heavy Saturn influence in a relationship.

For instance, my ex husband was Aquarius with Capricorn rising and Venus in Capricorn. Talk about a Saturne dominated chart. Dude deeply believed that we were supposed to struggle through our relationship and hang on and make things work. Well, my natal saturn makes a trine to my ascendant which gives me some saturnian quality, but I am not a heavily Saturnian person, so after a while, I really got tired of the emphasis on working and working and WORKING on our relationship. Where the hell was the fun and romance and passion? I am Pisces rising and I have sun venus and moon conjunct so I needed more than damn WORK in my relationship. We were not a match.

posted June 23, 2012 10:37 AM              

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Originally posted by Belage:
We were not a match.

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THAT is much more important than any Saturn-aspect.

posted June 23, 2012 12:13 PM            

* YTA you do NOT have a saturn-heavy relationship. Stop saying that. It is NOT what you have with your wife. A saturn heavy relationship feels draining, lonely, like the other person doesn't understand you and like you just can't connect. There is a wall between you that you just can't break through. You also feel that they criticize you and treat you harshly, and that even though they are loyal and always there for you, that they are a terrible friend.

* But saturn harsh aspects is what shows that two people AREN'T a match

* My best friend is a capricorn and pretty saturnine since saturn is also in her first house. She is a true cappy, and thinks that she can make it work in the saturn heavy relationship with her boyfriend if she just sticks it out, but she is recently learning that it is not about work work work in relatinoships, and she has been telling me recently that even though because she is a capricorn she has the tendency to choose security over emotional connection, she wishes she weren't like that.

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posted June 23, 2012 02:07 PM            

He is a libra. He will probably call it quits eventually. With good reason, though (not saying it bc libras are flakey or w/e).

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posted June 23, 2012 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:

With my parents it wasn't fighting against each other but it was figthing against the outside-world together, or specifically against a system that doesn't allow any humanity which is the same system that puts a curse on needing one another and makes the same crap of 'reponsibility'.
So yea.. I understand why Saturn is a curse from the perspective of an unhuman society where making time for one another is scarce and I really prefer not to underline that society by blaming Saturn for all the sh*t.

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posted June 23, 2012 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
THAT is much more important than any Saturn-aspect.

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posted June 23, 2012 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Probably, Belage :/

He is a libra. He will probably call it quits eventually. With good reason, though (not saying it bc libras are flakey or w/e).

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posted June 23, 2012 05:44 PM            

I have sun opposite saturn mecury opposite saturn sun opposite nepturn in capricorn.I have mostly hard saturn aspects so I'm still trying to deal with mine.

posted June 23, 2012 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by crissyx89:
It depends how people handle their own saturn in their natal charts.

I have sun opposite saturn mecury opposite saturn sun opposite nepturn in capricorn.I have mostly hard saturn aspects so I'm still trying to deal with mine.

My ex and I had sun qunicx/inconjucnt saturn and he was the saturn I was the sun.I always felt like he treated me like a child when infact he was only 2 years older..

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I see. Nobody likes negative saturn, though.

posted June 23, 2012 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
I see. Nobody likes negative saturn, though.

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Hey I know this is off topic but I saw your chart in "post your chart thread".And were astro twins same day same year same placements.I've never met anyone offline with the same bday.Heck I don't even know alot of cancer's.All of the people in my circle with summer bday's are Gemini's Leo's Virgo's.Ive only had one Cancer friend and she turned out to be very two faced so that's the end of that.

posted June 23, 2012 06:39 PM            

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posted June 23, 2012 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Oh wow. This is exciting . cool. What's your rising, though? Mine is libra

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posted June 23, 2012 07:00 PM            

Maybe that happens to you because you're an aries rising. Are you on facebook xD

add me

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