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Topic: Little/No Empathy------Placements
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auntdahlia
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posted May 02, 2013 11:43 AM
  
I can be cold at times.libra sun here with an aries moon,venus in virgo,mars and mercury in scorpio.
I am very sympathetic towards only children,one tear and they've got me wrapped around their lil finger and will do anything to comfort them ;and people who are grieving someone's death or are ill or physically hurt.other than than that,im a cold biyotch,unfortunately.  IP: Logged |
auntdahlia
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posted May 02, 2013 11:48 AM
I mean,it happens quite often that people are driving themselves crazy(to me) by feeling too much and i'm there...like whoaa what brought that on.I didn't even cry when my grandmother died when i was little.not normal,man.IP: Logged |
Little Doe
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posted May 02, 2013 12:13 PM
Jessica. I don´t think you sound cold at all. It sounds like you have no problem setting good boundries and I think that´s very responsible! Those people that fall into the trap are just enableing others to continue with their lousy behaviour. They usually just try to avoid conflict and/or are naive. I used to be an enabler. Well I learned the hard way to walk away if it´s not a mutual exchange. It doesn´t do anyone any good. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 02, 2013 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by auntdahlia:
I can be cold at times.libra sun here with an aries moon,venus in virgo,mars and mercury in scorpio.
I am very sympathetic towards only children,one tear and they've got me wrapped around their lil finger and will do anything to comfort them ;and people who are grieving someone's death or are ill or physically hurt.other than than that,im a cold biyotch,unfortunately.
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12thhouser
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posted May 02, 2013 01:27 PM
Unless I've missed something, people (probably including myself) are saying, "I know someone with this placement or that placement," but not mentioning what aspects there are between the placements and whether or not such placements are received well or not, the latter possibly indicating a lack of empathy.One of the reasons I mentioned lack of water was, when I read an article on the natal chart of Mick Jagger, he has no water in his chart, and supposedly wives and ex-wives have made a note of his lack of empathy. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted May 02, 2013 01:42 PM
I have too much empathy and only one water planet with a very strong aspect. IP: Logged |
auntdahlia
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posted May 02, 2013 01:44 PM
Hey Ami  my jupiter is 21 deg libra.
Merc conjunct jupiter
moon opp jup
jup sq neptune
jup sq uranus
jup trine saturn
jup sextile ASother than that,saturn-aqua
uranus-cap
neptune-cap
pluto-scorp yeah not many water signs :| but im thinking of the other Aries moons i know and they're not like this,they're pretty warm and empathising  IP: Logged |
Venusian Moon
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posted May 02, 2013 02:30 PM
Virgo and gemini moons------------------
Gemini sun 12th
Cancer asc 1st
Taurus moon 11th
Taurus venus 11th
Libra mars 3rd
Gemini mercury 11th IP: Logged |
Lazyscarecrow
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posted May 02, 2013 02:33 PM
It's weird but...The least amount of empathy I've seen is when someone has a certain amount of water in their chart, and not a little. Like, prominent Cancer and Scorpio placements. Even Pisces placements, supposedly an "empathetic" sign. But it's not those placements alone, it is often paired with rough Mars-Saturn and Moon-Saturn, as well as Moon-Mars action. I would include Mars-Pluto, but rather than withholding and restriction like Saturn, I feel that it's energy is just "don't mess with me I won't screw you over"... but it's a possibility. IP: Logged |
Lazyscarecrow
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posted May 02, 2013 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Saturn afflictions often indicate lack of empathy. And probably afflicted Pluto.And I strongly disagree with lack of Water = lack of empathy. That's just not true. Also, I make a distinction between empathy and sensitivity. Water signs are sensitive, but mostly when it comes to themselves. Some of the most inconsiderate people I have known have prominent Scorpio or Cancer placements. Just a thought.
This has also been my experience. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted May 02, 2013 02:41 PM
There's house placements, too. Some planets work better in certain houses, even when not in a water sign. IP: Logged |
virgolotus
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posted May 02, 2013 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Capricorn Moon is always in pain over something rather.
Because they're so perpetually in emotional pain - they understand pain a lot.
But hmmm I don't know about being empathetic. The first reaction is to try to help in a practical way.So even though they can relate to - and feel - the other's pain... they don't usually react in a typically empathetic manner like - giving them a hug.
Their reaction is more like: Ok. What can be done about this? What can I do to help improve this situation?
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Lazyscarecrow
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posted May 02, 2013 02:46 PM
Well I take that back about mentioning Pisces... the only issue I've noticed is slight narcissism among a few of them, but not really a lack of empathy. They are subjective but not in a self-preservation influenced way like Cancer and Scorpio.Anyway, my natal chart is fire dominant and I am too empathetic, sometimes. I feel guilt over putting my needs ahead than someone elses, and the last thing to come out of my mouth is "get over it", even if a person's gripping and grievance is over something I wouldn't shed a tear over. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted May 02, 2013 02:50 PM
All Pisces I encounter have empathy and are nice. If there's a sign anyone can get along with, it's definitely this one, if they make the effort.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 02, 2013 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Lazyscarecrow:
it is often paired with rough Mars-Saturn and Moon-Saturn, as well as Moon-Mars action. I would include Mars-Pluto, but rather than withholding and restriction like Saturn, I feel that it's energy is just "don't mess with me I won't screw you over"... but it's a possibility.
I have all the elements you listed and I must admit, I'm not the most empathetic person. I'm nowhere near being a sociopath, though. It's just that it can be hard to actually feel people's pain, in a real way - unless they're crying, cause then I'm pretty much an emotional sponge. I can be compassionate but in a more universal way. Like I feel suffering on a bigger level but not so much on a personal level.
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Ami Anne
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posted May 02, 2013 03:30 PM
Doux
What would you attribute this to--chart wise?------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted May 02, 2013 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Odette:
Capricorn Moon is always in pain over something rather.
Because they're so perpetually in emotional pain - they understand pain a lot.
But hmmm I don't know about being empathetic. The first reaction is to try to help in a practical way.So even though they can relate to - and feel - the other's pain... they don't usually react in a typically empathetic manner like - giving them a hug.
Their reaction is more like: Ok. What can be done about this? What can I do to help improve this situation?
This is a very concise and true description of the Cap Moon I know. Thanks, Odette! ------------------
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Gemmy
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posted May 02, 2013 04:34 PM
I relate to everything Doux Rêve wrote.I have many of those aspects too.Moon in Gemini opposite chart ruler Saturn and square Mars in Pisces.My stellium recieves the same aspects.And Mars has a Pluto trine. I do really feel more empathy on a larger scale.I care and think about the state of the world more than anything else.But like Doux Rêve,I can feel pain for an individual person if I know their in emotional/physical pain. I don't have much water either.
Maybe it's my Pisces Mars or Neptune in the 12th.I don't know I have a very afflicted chart. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted May 02, 2013 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Doux
What would you attribute this to--chart wise?
You mean the fact that I'm more sensitive to universal suffering than personal suffering? Probably South Node in the 12th and Sun sextile Neptune (transpersonal energies). Or Neptune tranists. I'm really not sure.
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Ami Anne
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posted May 02, 2013 09:48 PM
I was thinking about this. I think Libra Moon has little loyalty. What do you all think?------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted May 02, 2013 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by auntdahlia:
Hey Ami my jupiter is 21 deg libra.
Merc conjunct jupiter
moon opp jup
jup sq neptune
jup sq uranus
jup trine saturn
jup sextile ASother than that,saturn-aqua
uranus-cap
neptune-cap
pluto-scorp yeah not many water signs :| but im thinking of the other Aries moons i know and they're not like this,they're pretty warm and empathising
Wow
all those Jupiter hard aspects. Could you list the orbs for me? xx
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Chirp
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posted May 02, 2013 10:00 PM
In the people that I've seen with a lack of empathy, usually Neptune wasn't doing a whole lot in their chart. Even if there's nothing in Pisces, if there's some Neptune stuff there the person really isn't inclined toward being callous. Years ago I used to look at charts and the first thing I would go looking for is if there was anything going on with Neptune - I used to privately refer to it as "Seeing if they have a heart, or not."Long story short, I'm going with lack of Neppy activity - especially if Saturn is really prominent also, whether angular or highly aspected. The strongly Saturnian people I have seen who manage to still have compassion for other people usually have Neptune-on-steroids in their chart, so it kinda balances things out and makes them empathetic, but not a pushover. Saturn is exalted in my chart, and squares Mars. I can be extremely cold and apathetic, but it has to be towards someone who has done something very wrong towards me or someone I care about. At that point it's as though something happens where they cease to be a living being with feelings to me and I approach interacting with them in a mechanical way as though they're an object. It takes a whole lot to get me to that point though - usually I'm a bleeding heart, Neptune squares almost all my planetary midpoints, sextiles my moon, trines my sun and squares my Venus. I'm usually the type that feels bad for people that other folks don't even think deserve the care - conditions in the prison system, bothers me whereas the vast majority of people don't care or even think the inmates deserve it, that sort of thing. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted May 02, 2013 11:38 PM
My Scorpio mom has a lot of water in her chart (mostly Scorpio, but also Pisces) and she's a malignant narcissist. She can fake it when she wants, however, but she laughs at people who fall for it (at least she's laughed at them while telling me how she wrapped them around her finger and they think she cares about their problem). Of course she's very sensitive about her own feelings, and nurses grudges forever. Hmm, come to think of it, she IS empathic in a way, but she uses her empathy for evil, sadistic fun, and control, not for relating to others in healthy ways. Her moon is Gemini, however. Oh, yeah, when my granny was hospitalized with a pulmonary embolism I sold off some of my stuff to get a bus ticket back to Texas (well over a thousand miles away, or twice that in kilometers) and then took over her chores (it's a family farm and even she has chores on it), took care of her cats (which sadly others in the family didn't see fit to do, and I also gave one of her older cats rides in the wheelbarrow as he seemed to love it), and of course visited her in the hospital and helped her when she got home until she started getting her strength back. My mom, OTOH, whose trailer can be seen from Granny's house didn't do any of that. I point this out as my mom has a lot of water in her chart while I have almost none (other than an asteroid or 2 I only have Jupiter in Scorpio, though more than one placement is Libra on the Scorpio cusp). IP: Logged |
Chirp
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posted May 03, 2013 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
My Scorpio mom has a lot of water in her chart (mostly Scorpio, but also Pisces) and she's a malignant narcissist. She can fake it when she wants, however, but she laughs at people who fall for it (at least she's laughed at them while telling me how she wrapped them around her finger and they think she cares about their problem). Of course she's very sensitive about her own feelings, and nurses grudges forever. Hmm, come to think of it, she IS empathic in a way, but she uses her empathy for evil, sadistic fun, and control, not for relating to others in healthy ways. Her moon is Gemini, however. Oh, yeah, when my granny was hospitalized with a pulmonary embolism I sold off some of my stuff to get a bus ticket back to Texas (well over a thousand miles away, or twice that in kilometers) and then took over her chores (it's a family farm and even she has chores on it), took care of her cats (which sadly others in the family didn't see fit to do, and I also gave one of her older cats rides in the wheelbarrow as he seemed to love it), and of course visited her in the hospital and helped her when she got home until she started getting her strength back. My mom, OTOH, whose trailer can be seen from Granny's house didn't do any of that. I point this out as my mom has a lot of water in her chart while I have almost none (other than an asteroid or 2 I only have Jupiter in Scorpio, though more than one placement is Libra on the Scorpio cusp).
It's eerie that you just said that, because I remember reading before elsewhere almost word for word, what you just said - that lots of water placements don't necessarily guarantee empathy and can make for someone that is just very adept at feeling people out and then uses the info they glean that way, to take advantage of others.
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auntdahlia
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posted May 03, 2013 12:37 AM
[IMG]http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/gluglu2/f8ac6549-4cf3-4 507-89fb-643d29d4d104_zpsfa28672a.jpg[/IMG]@AmiAnne Personally Ami,I think its more of a Venus issue than moon.Because shouldn't an Aries moon be empathising and fiercely protective? IP: Logged |
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