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Ami Anne
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posted May 01, 2013 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like your input on placements and why. It doesn't help me much for a list of placements without your reasons.

I will start with a cold moon. Not all cold moons or anything will be a person with no empathy. We are just trying to make a profile.

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posted May 01, 2013 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One person with no empathy has a Libra Moon. I would say that you may look to a thinking moon such as Libra or Aqua. What do you think of Cap Moon in terms of this.

I can tell you that a Cancer Moon is a great feeler. I have one and it is the case. Wjat if a person had a Cancer moon with a lot of hard square. What would that do?

Mine is almost Unaspected, so can't speak to the above situation.

Anyway, please comment, so we can learn together! xx

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posted May 01, 2013 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgolotus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Cap moon and I have way too much empathy that it's more of a fault...

only aspects are trine Jupiter and quincunx Mars exact. Moon in the 3rd

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
I have a Cap moon and I have way too much empathy that it's more of a fault...

only aspects are trine Jupiter and quincunx Mars exact. Moon in the 3rd


Yeah I was going to say if Capricorn is complimentary to Cancer, there's no way a Cap moon doesn't have empathy (but i'm biased because I tend to love Capricorn moons. They make me feel comfortable and protected by being stoic) They don't EXPRESS their empathy very easily or well, but they most definitely have it.

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posted May 01, 2013 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgolotus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah it's hard to express it sometimes... if we do it's really subtle.

My mom is a Leo moon and she doesn't have an ounce of empathy
Unless I force it out or change her view >:0

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posted May 02, 2013 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhouser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Yeah I was going to say if Capricorn is complimentary to Cancer, there's no way a Cap moon doesn't have empathy (but i'm biased because I tend to love Capricorn moons. They make me feel comfortable and protected by being stoic) They don't EXPRESS their empathy very easily or well, but they most definitely have it.

They probably don't express it since Capricorn is a receptive sign. I have three relatives with Moon in Cap. One of them, my brother, is sociable, but doesn't empathize well.

From what I've read, a lack of water can be associated with little or no empathy.

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posted May 02, 2013 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^
I think lack of water it is. Not so much the Moon sign.
I have my Moon in Gemini and I am so empatethic, it hurts. Pisces ASC and lots of natal Neptune action.

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posted May 02, 2013 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^ same here with moon opposite Neptune. The aspect makes all the difference,

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posted May 02, 2013 02:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stargazer21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra Moon with lots of empathy.

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posted May 02, 2013 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Am a cancer moon.

I dunno..works both ways for me..I can be too empathic or...not..depends..

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posted May 02, 2013 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for neilthecellist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My birth year and the next one (1989 and 1990) saw a lot of natives with a Capricorn stellium. Mine consists of only three planets (Saturn/Uranus/Neptune) in the first house, while many other people I graduated high school with have more than four, sometimes six planets in Capricorn, in addition to possibly even the Ascendant in Capricorn. That can be pretty insensitive. Empathy isn't real especially if the Uranus is thrown into the first house...

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posted May 02, 2013 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iliketurtles     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my mum feels sorry for everybody and i'm not trying to be cheeky or anything but sometimes even objects. she feels sorry for the car if its freezing cold outside or if there is something wrong with it. it helps her so she sees it as something worth feeling sorry for. but it is kind of strange lol she hates seeing people in pain though. she can react quite strongly to anything sad or controversial on tv as well.

sorry she has moon in libra conjunct saturn (both h3) squaring cancer ASC. sun conjunct venus in virgo (h2).

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posted May 02, 2013 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Afflicted Libra moon here. I can feel empathy.

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posted May 02, 2013 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bumblebee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
^^^
I think lack of water it is. Not so much the Moon sign.
I have my Moon in Gemini and I am so empatethic, its hurts. Pisces ASC and lots of natal Neptune.

Absolute lack of empathy I met in person with sun, moon and mercury in scorpio. So probably it's not about lack of water.

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posted May 02, 2013 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by virgolotus:
I have a Cap moon and I have way too much empathy that it's more of a fault...

only aspects are trine Jupiter and quincunx Mars exact. Moon in the 3rd



OK I thought Cap Moon had empathy because my closest friend has a Cap Moon and he has empathy, so we will throw the Cap Moon out

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posted May 02, 2013 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Yeah I was going to say if Capricorn is complimentary to Cancer, there's no way a Cap moon doesn't have empathy (but i'm biased because I tend to love Capricorn moons. They make me feel comfortable and protected by being stoic) They don't EXPRESS their empathy very easily or well, but they most definitely have it.

OK Kewl. Thank you ! xx

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posted May 02, 2013 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
They probably don't express it since Capricorn is a receptive sign. I have three relatives with Moon in Cap. One of them, my brother, is sociable, but doesn't empathize well.

From what I've read, a lack of water can be associated with little or no empathy.


YES, totally. Lack of water is a huge key. That would prolly be the first thing to look for this. This Libra Moon has one water planet. I think she was saved from being a sociopath from the one water Jupiter but she is close.

What do you all think of Jupiter in terms of empathy? I think it is a big player and underrated in terms of empathy indications

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Saturn afflictions often indicate lack of empathy. And probably afflicted Pluto.

And I strongly disagree with lack of Water = lack of empathy. That's just not true.

Also, I make a distinction between empathy and sensitivity. Water signs are sensitive, but mostly when it comes to themselves. Some of the most inconsiderate people I have known have prominent Scorpio or Cancer placements.

Just a thought.

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posted May 02, 2013 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Capricorn Moon is always in pain over something rather.
Because they're so perpetually in emotional pain - they understand pain a lot.
But hmmm I don't know about being empathetic. The first reaction is to try to help in a practical way.

So even though they can relate to - and feel - the other's pain... they don't usually react in a typically empathetic manner like - giving them a hug.
Their reaction is more like: Ok. What can be done about this? What can I do to help improve this situation?

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posted May 02, 2013 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sharon_1977     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi All

What I have noticed when I've met a person that I feel has no empathy/consideration is that they have negatively aspected Jupiter/Saturn, especially to each other or to the sun. Obviously all people with these aspects/placements can alter the affects with free will, and I've known a few really caring and loving people with these aspects/placements also. Malinda Gates has the Jupiter opposite Saturn aspect and she is on a lot of boards for charities and she and Bill give millions of money away all the time. And I've known someone with the same aspect and is very miserly.


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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Saturn afflictions often indicate lack of empathy.

And I strongly disagree with lack of Water = lack of empathy. That's just not true.

Also, I make a distinction between empathy and sensitivity. Water signs are sensitive, but mostly when it comes to themselves. Some of the most inconsiderate people I have known have prominent Scorpio or Cancer placements.

Just a thought.


I fully agree with all written above especially about the water placements being sensitive but mostly when it comes to themselves.


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My very Virgo, Moon, Sun, Mercury and Venus all hanging out in Virgo, in the 2nd has little empathy.

He is a my way or the highway kind of guy.

I, once acused him of being a narcissist (lack of empathy, have not lived that one down yet.)

He has duty, he is very dutiful, will do anything for anybody, but just cant emotionally empathasize.

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posted May 02, 2013 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Little Doe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Am a cancer moon.

I dunno..works both ways for me..I can be too empathic or...not..depends..



Could you tell us more, please?

I find it interesting because the cancer moons I know seem just like you described - on the one hand they seems very sensitive and on the other hand cold, but I´m guessing they´re just numb.
What makes you have/not have empathy in different situations?

(Other cancer moons can answer too)

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posted May 02, 2013 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Little Doe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure, water is about feelings, and empathy is a feeling. However, empathy is about being able to put yourself in someone elses shoes, and water placements are very subjective. So how can you put yourself in someone elses shoes, if you´re always consumed with your own feelings, right?

My dad is a cancer. He is a narcisist without empathy. Is he sensitive - Oh yes. But can he have feelings for anyone but himself? Hardly.
Empathy is not purely about sensitivity. It´s also about how evolved you are, how strong you are. It is the most spiritually evolved and strong people who are empathetic. To have empahy requires stability in yourself first. Any sign that has that can beempathetic.

That said, I do think that water signs/ placements have great potential for being empathetic, if the person moves past the subjectivity, wich is very hard.

But just saying that water equals empathy is simply not accurate imo.

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posted May 02, 2013 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Little Doe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Saturn afflictions often indicate lack of empathy. And probably afflicted Pluto.

And I strongly disagree with lack of Water = lack of empathy. That's just not true.

Also, I make a distinction between empathy and sensitivity. Water signs are sensitive, but mostly when it comes to themselves. Some of the most inconsiderate people I have known have prominent Scorpio or Cancer placements.

Just a thought.


Gosh, I basically wrothe the same thing in my post, duh, lol. I agree with you completely.

I will say though that pisces peaople are pretty damn empathetic. Even when they´re really annoyed with you they can´t help but "feel you". It´s about limits, they are pretty bad at that. It doesn´t surprise me that alot of them always seem to be in a bad mood/ on the edge. Must be pretty scary being that vulnerable. I empathize with them in that sense.

It´s funny you should mention scorpio. I can see that. Scorpios are pretty tough people on the outside. I am basically a scorpio (with 5 planets in scorpio) although my sun is in cap, I identify as a scorpio. I guess people would describe me as inconsiderate, yes. It is something that bothers me alot. I don´t want o be! When I´m alone I think about all the people I know and I feel so much love for them, but when I´m with them I can´t take it. Just saying hi feels like such a burden. Why? Because I´m not yet stable in myself.

That´s the paradox of empathy. Because of my sensitivity I feel it on the inside, but in order to actually ACT on it, I must control my sensitivity.

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posted May 02, 2013 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jessica2407:
[b]Am a cancer moon.

I dunno..works both ways for me..I can be too empathic or...not..depends..



Could you tell us more, please?

I find it interesting because the cancer moons I know seem just like you described - on the one hand they seems very sensitive and on the other hand cold, but I´m guessing they´re just numb.
What makes you have/not have empathy in different situations?

(Other cancer moons can answer too)[/B][/QUOTE]

I'm nice to a point,not nice to a fault.

I'm sympathetic not empathetic.I'll probably extend my help to a person in need as best as I can but with certain boundaries.I can't feel the same way as the other person, I can't totally relate to someone's pain if I haven't gone through the same experience.Being sensitive doesn't mean investing myself emotionally in someone's else problems. I'm very sensitive to human sufferance.I feel pain when I see a woman crying over her dead child on TV,actually I feel more for people I don't know than people I know.I can even cry just by watching a stranger crying their eyes out on TV,but won't have a strand of hair out of place at a relative's funeral for instance.When I don't feel anything,I won't fake it,I just don't feel anything.


I'm quite cold to people who I know have a tendency to take advantage of people's feelings,who think that you owe them,that you have to help them when they are in trouble because you have a good heart.Once they get your help and they are okay,they don't give a hoot about you.Past experience has shown me that I can't rely on these people if ever I need help.I don't forget easily..shoot...what am I talking about?I never forget. I'll probably sound very cold saying this, but nothing in the world can make me show empathy or sympathy or any kind of human emotion towards these people.Some people I know,despite having been taken advantage of will fall for their emotional blackmail again and again because they can't ignore someone in pain blah blah whereas I don't feel anything at all.

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