posted March 14, 2016 01:33 AM            

Water placements=EMPATHETIC is just NO.

What I've actually witnessed is that people with a lot of water (especially water moons) is that they were wrapped up in THEIR emotions most of the time to even feel what other people are feeling. Emotionally selfish is what I would call it.

EMPATHY does not work like that.

Empathy I think comes from Saturn & Neptune. You must be emotionally mature enough to understand other people's feelings and why they feel such emotions. Experiences in life (Saturn) teaches you those things. You must have felt those emotions before to truly understand and empathize with their emotions. Neptune comes in a part where you don't necessarily have to have same emotional experiences before but can relate to the person anyway.

posted March 14, 2016 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by VirgoAquaSag:
I can't believe water moon people calling themselves "empathetic" yet finding Air moons "cold"... if you are so empathetic about other people's emotions, you should be able to relate why as to that person expresses his/her feelings that way, no?

Water placements=EMPATHETIC is just NO.

What I've actually witnessed is that people with a lot of water (especially water moons) is that they were wrapped up in THEIR emotions most of the time to even feel what other people are feeling. Emotionally selfish is what I would call it.

EMPATHY does not work like that.

Empathy I think comes from Saturn & Neptune. You must be emotionally mature enough to understand other people's feelings and why they feel such emotions. Experiences in life (Saturn) teaches you those things. You must have felt those emotions before to truly understand and empathize with their emotions. Neptune comes in a part where you don't necessarily have to have same emotional experiences before but can relate to the person anyway.

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posted March 14, 2016 09:00 AM            

Through my own experience i have also deducted that water placements are just not empathetic.
Yes, they are extremely sensitive and totally wrapped up in their own emotions. If they ever show understanding or some sort of sympathy is because they have something in mind. I find them very calculating and emotionally manipulating. Often they take advantage of other people's emotional state...
On the other hand they can get hurt by absolutely anything you may say, and you wouldn't even know this immediately, until you start feeling their resentment and need for revenge.
This is my experience with Pisces, Scorpio and Cancer Suns, along with their Moon in Cancer and their Mercury in their own water sign.
It may be too generalised and simplified but i think they need to have some personal attachment to someone else in order to truly feel empathetic for them.

posted March 14, 2016 09:24 AM              

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Originally posted by charlie:
Not to start a war or jump on a bandwagon but I must agree about water moons/signs. Some of the most egotistical and sensitive (to themselves only) people I have met! Some of the most caring people I know are actually Geminis. Go figure!

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posted March 14, 2016 09:53 AM            

Mind you my boyfriend and best friend both are Pisces moons so clearly my air moon has some sort of appeal to other water moons out there.. but they have very healthy forms of communication/emotional outlets and I respect them and admire them SO MUCH for that.

There was once a thread on here b*tching about air moons and a major complaint was that air moons refuse to be emotionally manipulated and the posters found that annoying. Like, are you effing serious? Should we all not strive to be above toxic manipulation tactics? Maybe something is wrong with *your* style of communication if you need to always resort to that?

Anyways..

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posted March 14, 2016 05:09 PM              

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Originally posted by VirgoAquaSag:

What I've actually witnessed is that people with a lot of water (especially water moons) is that they were wrapped up in THEIR emotions most of the time to even feel what other people are feeling. Emotionally selfish is what I would call it.

EMPATHY does not work like that.

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posted March 19, 2016 11:50 PM            

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Originally posted by sharon_1977:
Hi All

What I have noticed when I've met a person that I feel has no empathy/consideration is that they have negatively aspected Jupiter/Saturn, especially to each other or to the sun. Obviously all people with these aspects/placements can alter the affects with free will, and I've known a few really caring and loving people with these aspects/placements also. Malinda Gates has the Jupiter opposite Saturn aspect and she is on a lot of boards for charities and she and Bill give millions of money away all the time. And I've known someone with the same aspect and is very miserly.

Sharon

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Finally some attention given to Jupiter in regard to empathy!

posted March 20, 2016 08:39 AM            

Can anyone tell us more about Jupiter/Saturn.

In my 3-4 charts of sociopaths that I knew, they had VERY afflicted Jupiters.

In 2 cases, it was a very striking pattern that Jupiter was in hard aspect to almost every other planet.

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posted March 20, 2016 01:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Saturn afflictions often indicate lack of empathy. And probably afflicted Pluto.

And I strongly disagree with lack of Water = lack of empathy. That's just not true.

Also, I make a distinction between empathy and sensitivity. Water signs are sensitive, but mostly when it comes to themselves. Some of the most inconsiderate people I have known have prominent Scorpio or Cancer placements.

Just a thought.

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posted March 20, 2016 02:18 PM            

My first job as a social worker I got an award for most compassionate.

I understand at a deep level that everyone suffers and has a hard life and to appreciate all that you have bc many have it worse.

So no I am not self centered wrapped in my own emotions, as a kid I was worried about poor children and always wanted to stand up for kids getting picked on. I was always nice to everyone even the kids who were not popular and even if it caused me my own popularity.

posted March 20, 2016 04:29 PM              

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I agree Hypatia...everyone has the ability to be compassionate and empathetic. Water moons, air moons, earth moons and fire moons.

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posted March 20, 2016 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by UnderworldGlory:
Venus in the 12th house makes one a "pleasure junkie"

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How so, my FRiend?

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posted March 20, 2016 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

How so, my FRiend?

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The inherent nature of the 12th house transmits the subconscious and dissolves the qualities of the flesh body and any planet/sign therein.

It also represents parallel lives since the 12th house is the precedent house of the Ascendant (the body)

Since 12's rulership is Pisces/Jupiter and Jupiter has an inmical relationship with Venus despite being exalted in Pisces, this placement receives more pleasure (12th house) than it can give back

posted March 20, 2016 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
"I know someone with Leo sun, Gem moon and Libra ASC. They can be empathetic to an extent, but only with really general situations or people they don't know, and only if the emotions being felt by that person makes sense to them. Otherwise they over analyse and conclude that someone just SHOULDN'T feel a certain way and that's that. They are very sensitive to themselves though."

This is what i have also noticed about air and fire types.

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posted March 23, 2016 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Little Doe:

Could you tell us more, please?

I find it interesting because the cancer moons I know seem just like you described - on the one hand they seems very sensitive and on the other hand cold, but I´m guessing they´re just numb.

What makes you have/not have empathy in different situations?

(Other cancer moons can answer too)

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Oh it's true. Cancer Moons can be very warm, yet be very cold. It depends on how you treat us! How you treat our loved ones! We are emotionally adaptable & resilient...adjusting to each situation we are presented with.

If we sense that you are full of sh*t in any way, or feel that you are insensitive to our needs...we throw our armor on and you will be completely SHUT OUT - quickly dismissed, you might as well be dead.

On the other hand...we do stand up for the underdog, we protect our loved ones and we have much empathy for good people who are going through bad times. In these cases, we are there for you wholeheartedly.

posted March 23, 2016 02:23 PM              

sagittarius moons - unfortunately the common denominator for people in my life with a sag moon is a lack of empathy. i've also noticed a competing thing? you say you were bullied, they say they were bullied worst for example. lack of compassion too. which is sad for me because i know so many great people that are so much fun but it's that lack of empathy and compassion that turns me off of them

capricorn moons - this is me, and i have friends that are cap moons as well and i've noticed that it's not a lack of empathy.. it's a hardening we have. the empathy and the compassion is there but walls have been drawn up for protection. if you do grow into your natal chart, i remember reading somewhere that its after your saturn return so like early 30s when you really emulate your natal chart then on the opposite side of capricorn is cancer. which is notorious for being very emotional. then comes the whole age of reason and realisation that the world is a hard and tough place and it's then when the walls are built up. so it's there, they just need to feel safe around the person to EXPRESS that empathy that they're feeling.

with water moons - yes there's empathy but too much is where i can see the self focus/centerness coming in. the characteristic of the element is turned in. like it's retrograde. so just like too much air can result in a daydreamer thats stuck in their own mind, too much earth can result in a workaholic that forsakes everything else for their own wealth, too much water can turn the emotions of the person to themselves resulting in only caring about their feelings.

posted March 23, 2016 02:27 PM              

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Originally posted by VirgoAquaSag:

EMPATHY does not work like that.

Empathy I think comes from Saturn & Neptune. You must be emotionally mature enough to understand other people's feelings and why they feel such emotions. Experiences in life (Saturn) teaches you those things. You must have felt those emotions before to truly understand and empathize with their emotions. Neptune comes in a part where you don't necessarily have to have same emotional experiences before but can relate to the person anyway.

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i absolutely agree.

it was when transit neptune started conjuncting my saturn when i started looking into the reason why people do the things they do, what experiences that could account for their actions, what were they thinking or feeling that caused them to do what they do. psychology of the mind and also how childhoods especially trauma could affect them now.