posted May 03, 2013 01:56 AM              

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Originally posted by bolina:
little/no empathy I read liz greene mention very commonly, Saturn/chiron challenging aspects. milosovic (sp?) had this

i have a libra moon, i believe libra moon is a very mental placement, not emotionally expressive, but having mental/cognitive empathy and understanding of others on a mental level. on an emotional level, i think libra moon maintains an attitude or stance of distant from others as emotions are either hard to understand, or are overwhelming. libra picks up a lot of nuances, is always also trying to get everyone to get along.
the empathy i have, which i need to care for as it is overwhelming, is my venus and Jupiter in pisces, along with Saturn and mars in cancer. i have a lot of empathy for animals, curiously, i attribute that to venus in pisces and Jupiter/Neptune square in 6th house, Jupiter in pisces / Neptune in sag. i think in general, we have empathy for whatever in others touches our wounds, or we relate to, for me, animals are at our mercy, they are dependent, so i need to look at those aspects of myself that are dependent/at others mercy, and there are the wounds, hence the empathy.

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Everybody has emotions, really what the moon sign does is explain how you handle them it's always weird to me when people say any moon sign has no emotions whatsoever, to me it should be common sense that that's illogical. Libra moon may not hit you over the head with their emotions like an Aries Moon or Leo Moon or Scorp Moon would; that's "rude" to us. We try to process and deal with our emotions in a way that doesn't result in a lot of conflict or big scenes, with other people unless you just send us SO far over the edge in one way or another. We're basically emotionally-"tidy" and don't like to vomit our emotions all over every one else, which usually gets misinterpreted as having no emotions, at all.

To get back on comment about the empathy thing - another aspect for me anyways is, if I think someone is trying to emotionally manipulate me or intentionally get empathy out of me for attention or some other purpose, I usually respond in an extremely, extremely cold fashion or become outright verbally hostile, depending on how bad the offense is.

Histrionic people that like to get people to cry for and then coddle them, are always appalled when they start mentioning to me how they were abused or bullied, and I promptly reply, "Lots of people have, and? That's not a free pass that makes (insert offense here), okay."

At which point they usually gasp and run crying to their friends about how I'm a sociopath...and said friends rally around them and pet them and overlook everything wrong they did because, like said person keeps reminding them, they were molested when they were 2 and no one liked them in high school...

posted May 03, 2013 03:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I was thinking about this. I think Libra Moon has little loyalty. What do you all think?

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posted May 03, 2013 03:06 AM              

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Originally posted by stargazer21:
no. lunar libran here, i am loyal and empathetic.

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No, haven't you heard the word? Libra moons like to steal candy from babies and dismember puppies...

posted May 03, 2013 06:06 AM              

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Libra moons do have Venus and Saturn to contend with and Libra is the sign of logic. Libra moon is likely to turn the emotions into reason and logic. It's not like they lack empathy, exactly. A lot of it has to do with aspect and house. There are other parts of the chart to consider for lack of empathy as well. Libra moon placement suggests someone who needs one close relationship to feel secure and they are at their best emotionally when in such a relationship. Probably resent being treated in what they consider to be an unfair manner and maybe this is why they appear to lack empathy in some cases? It's really just them reacting to what they perceive to be an unfair slight of some kind? The person who made such a slight might not even be aware of it. Might have not been intentional in the slightest. Libra moon could be overly sensitive to others expressions and mannerisms.

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You're kinda all over the place here, one minute you say we're hyper-logical then the next you basically say we're irrational.

Look, I can only speak for myself so I'll do that now. I'm intensely emotional. Period. In fact to the point that the assertion that Libra moons don't feel always sounds crazy to me. The difference is, whereas more people just immediately start acting out what they're feeling, if I actually care about the people around me, I automatically stop and think about whether or not me expressing what I feel will negatively affect them and/or my relationship with them. If it will, I find other ways to process what I'm feeling.

To be honest I think that's a healthy habit that a surprising number of adults never really learned how to do. Most people seem really irrational to me, there's at least one point every day where I feel like I'm watching an adult that should know better basically throw a tantrum like a 2 year old in the candy aisle at the grocery store.

Because so many people don't really have much of a hold on themselves and their emotions like that...I think people are so used to seeing others acting out that Libra Moons seem weird or abnormal somehow because we don't do it.

The people I feel no empathy towards - it has nothing to do with resentment or jealousy; none of them have anything I want or don't already have in higher quantity, and I'm not talking about things or objects when I say this. Like I said before, in order to get me to the point where I feel no empathy you have to have really done something sleazy because in general I'm a pretty empathetic person who will forgive and forgive alot. But sure, if you f*ck up that bad that's all she wrote; or if I get the feeling that someone is trying to manipulate me, or play with my head, or if I watch them doing it to other people because for me that says something very fundamental about someone's character - if you're willing to pull a card like "I was raped when I was five years old!" as an excuse when you're discovered stalking and harassing someone, that sets off alarms in my head for multiple reasons. The main one being, "If you'll do something that low, you'll probably do ANYthing." I immediately equate that with being a bad person and will instantly dislike and distance myself from said individual.

posted May 03, 2013 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Libra moons do have Venus and Saturn to contend with and Libra is the sign of logic. Libra moon is likely to turn the emotions into reason and logic. It's not like they lack empathy, exactly. A lot of it has to do with aspect and house. There are other parts of the chart to consider for lack of empathy as well. Libra moon placement suggests someone who needs one close relationship to feel secure and they are at their best emotionally when in such a relationship. Probably resent being treated in what they consider to be an unfair manner and maybe this is why they appear to lack empathy in some cases? It's really just them reacting to what they perceive to be an unfair slight of some kind? The person who made such a slight might not even be aware of it. Might have not been intentional in the slightest. Libra moon could be overly sensitive to others expressions and mannerisms.

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Well, I am super loyal and I like this about myself. I will be your friend for life if you have been good to me. You can come to me at any time, for anything.

If someone betrays me and it is called to their attention and they won't change their ways, I kick them out, forever.

My mother, who is a Libra Moon betrayed me many, many times. However, at some point, she figured it out and stopped, so if the person doesn't, I kick them the heck out

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posted May 03, 2013 11:11 AM              

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Well, I am super loyal and I like this about myself. I will be your friend for life if you have been good to me. You can come to me at any time, for anything.

If someone betrays me and it is called to their attention and they won't change their ways, I kick them out, forever.

My mother, who is a Libra Moon betrayed me many, many times. However, at some point, she figured it out and stopped, so if the person doesn't, I kick them the heck out

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posted May 03, 2013 11:19 AM              

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Well, I am super loyal and I like this about myself. I will be your friend for life if you have been good to me. You can come to me at any time, for anything.

If someone betrays me and it is called to their attention and they won't change their ways, I kick them out, forever.

My mother, who is a Libra Moon betrayed me many, many times. However, at some point, she figured it out and stopped, so if the person doesn't, I kick them the heck out

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Where'd my post go? I thought deleting posts was for legitimate instances of trolling or flaming; not a tool for a moderator to use when someone doesn't agree with them...

posted May 03, 2013 11:28 AM            

so, cant judge by the moon alone.

posted May 03, 2013 11:37 AM              

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Originally posted by hikoro:
the most empathetic folks ive met have been libra mooners.
and then, i know a saggie moon who is...ridiculously empathetic.
the least empathetic folks ive met, a scorpio mooner, a virgo mooner, aries mooner and taurus mooner...

so, cant judge by the moon alone.

and, when it comes to lack of empathy, i do think it has to be an affliction between the outer planets and the moon..

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Ohhh, I know a Sag moon that is notttt empathetic. I could start off with the time he started going into how he decided a public website was the perfect time to discuss how he thought my boobs were asymmetrical, and then go into the BAD stuff...

posted May 03, 2013 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:
My bet would be a moon with no good aspects in a non-water house - especially air, because they may rationalise feelings.

Maybe the moon as the balance point of a T-square with Saturn and Pluto? Then also no easy way out for said emotions. When you aren't up to your neck in your own problems, it's a lot easier to look outside of yourself. It will probably show up in more than just one aspect in their chart.

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Great thoughts.

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posted May 04, 2013 06:14 AM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Sagittarius moons from personal experience. I am friends with a lot of them and talked about this exact topic with them. I can't tell you how it feels as I am a Taurus moon trine Neptune, among other placements.

I should mention my experience is really only with the female lunar archers.

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How so? Can you elaborate?

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posted May 05, 2013 01:05 PM              

Water energy really promotes the Ability in the person to perceive, acutely, other peoples feelings and emotions. it does not dictate wether one will empathise with the feelings.

so water energy really just makes one adept at perception, sensitivity and being able to feel people, be acutely aware of their feelings.

empathy is putting yourself in someones position and experiencing their pain through your own imagination. it pretty neptunian.

a lack of water energy or water based planets making personal aspects in one's chart, would in my mind make the individual less adept in nature at perceiving other people's feelings. not as likely to notice or be sensitive to other people's feelings/moods.

there is two kinds of empathy as well:

Cognitive and Affective.

Cognitive Empathy is psychologically being aware of what others are feeling. its identifying what people are experiencing in their mind and feelings.

Affective Empathy is actually about experiencing the others feelings directly, through their pain and feeling emotion's of your own as a result.

Scorpio/Pluto energy, guaranteed, is always adept at Cognitive Empathy. but not as in touch with the Affective Side. because Pluto/Scorpio is consumed with control and sometimes power. (i.e. acts of ruthlessness)

Neptune/Pisces Energy is similar but usually is more in touch with Affective Empathy alongside the Cognitive.

i would say im pretty low on the Affective empathy, but not absent. i don't really understand my own empathy nature. usually im high on the cognitive empathy end. but when im least expecting it, affective empathy can take over me sometimes. there is no rhyme or rhythm to it.

i might be a good example of what some others here mentioned about saturn afflictions.

i have Moon & Venus square saturn.

Mars trines my saturn.

i have ASCendant afflicting Pluto and Neptune Afflicting my Moon.

Jupiter in Cancer afflicted by Saturn/Neptune/Uranus/Moon/Venus.

Moon in Aries in the 9th house.

i'v never been professionally tested by any of the sociopath tests, but according to someone who knows me better than anyone else, im in the midrange score.

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posted March 08, 2016 09:33 AM            

I'll understand your pain, but I'll never be the one to cry with you, or to tell you small words of comfort with a pat on your back.

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posted March 08, 2016 10:50 AM              

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Originally posted by RoseLily:
Libra Moon and I have empathy (Moon trine Neptune, Pisces rising etc.)
But I think it's important to not misunderstand lack of empathy with rationalized thinking.

I'll understand your pain, but I'll never be the one to cry with you, or to tell you small words of comfort with a pat on your back.

The best empathy I can show is to sit with you and try to make the best of the situation. I'll talk with you, listen to you, I'll help you the best I can (even if it means kicking your a**), but I'll never cry with you or sugar coat what I saw only to comfort.

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posted March 08, 2016 10:59 AM            

The thing is that empathy is a FEELING. It is not a mental process.

Empathy cannot be reasoned.

The Libra Moon is the ultimate Moon for reasoning in places in which emotion is needed.

Hence, people who DECIDE and people who FEEL are different animals.

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posted March 08, 2016 11:11 AM              

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have to say, to keep with my level of honesty/integrity, that the LEVEL of empathy for a Cancer Moon and a Libra Moon is very different.

The thing is that empathy is a FEELING. It is not a mental process.

Empathy cannot be reasoned.

The Libra Moon is the ultimate Moon for reasoning in places in which emotion is needed.

Hence, people who DECIDE and people who FEEL are different animals.

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In the spirit of full disclosure,

Didnt you say before that your mother was/is libra moon and she abused you?

Mght you not be the most unbiased source on this subject?