posted March 09, 2016 01:56 PM              

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Another life lesson is people do not, usually, want unasked for advice and especially if the person keeps giving it and the other person clearly does not respond to it lol

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You just contradicted your own lesson, btw.

But umm, yes please. Move on. For to dwell on things would require concentration that goes beyond a nanosecond.

P.S. The reason I even bother to say anything on this though clearly it's a waste of time, is that I cannot stand so much GROSS unfairness and passive-aggressive bullying.

posted March 09, 2016 02:47 PM            

I am responsible for what I say.

If I did not want to stand behind it, I would not say it lol

Moving on, Friends.

Take care.

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posted March 09, 2016 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Saturn afflictions often indicate lack of empathy. And probably afflicted Pluto.

And I strongly disagree with lack of Water = lack of empathy. That's just not true.

Also, I make a distinction between empathy and sensitivity. Water signs are sensitive, but mostly when it comes to themselves. Some of the most inconsiderate people I have known have prominent Scorpio or Cancer placements.

Just a thought.

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I definitely agree with you. The abundance or lack of water in a chart doesn't make one more or less empathetic. The most empathetic person I met in my life had a chart really really poor in terms of watery energy. If water was a prerequisite for empathy, the Moon wouldn't be exalted in Taurus and debilitated in Scorpio.

Also, I don't believe isolated placements/aspects make a person lack empathy. Several factors needed to be working together to cause that.

In medical Astrology:
- the Moon governs the lymbic system, the part of the brain that allows us to produce emotions. A Moon in bad condition can cause excess, lack or instability of emotions;
- the Sun governs the neocortex, the part of the brain that allows us to think and be conscious of what's going on around us and within us, including the ability of recognizing and being aware of our emotions;
- the Ascendant/1H/Aries are responsible for the control of the brain as a whole and, in a more specific way, for the control of the ventromedial prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain responsible for adjusting the emotions produced by the limbic system to social situations, and allows us to have the so called "moral emotions" (compassion, pity, regret, guilt, shame, solidarity).
- Mercury is also related to the brain, more specifically to the logical brain (intellect, rationality, cognition, memory). There are several areas spread over the brain responsible for all those functions.

People who have extremely low/zero empathy are commonly called psychopaths/sociopaths but Psychiatry doesn't use Psychopathy as a medical term. That condition is considered as a type of Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) but it's good to emphasize that not everyone who has ASPD is considered a psychopath. The same way not all psychopaths are serial killers (a very common myth propagated by the media). The disorder has different degrees and probably all of us already met or heard of people who use/scam others to get what they want and then move on without any kind of embarrassment or regret. Those kinds of behavior are already considered "psychopathic".
Also there's already scientific evidence based on image studies through fMRI, that psychopaths have limbic system and ventromedial prefrontal cortex hypofunction (creating lack of emotions or unability to link them to social interactions) and also hyperfunction of the logical brain (that explains why those individuals are extremely intelligent).

posted March 09, 2016 09:55 PM              

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Elysia, you're basically my favorite.

But yes, moving on now...

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posted March 09, 2016 11:23 PM              

It's been that way for years, I wouldn't be expecting any miraculous breakthroughs of rational thought, but we never know I guess. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, honestly. I don't think the intent is malicious, just rather miserably misguided.

Meh. I normally don't bother with these, or even glance at them. Must be Mars and Mercury hitting my T-square or something.

posted March 10, 2016 12:29 AM            

To not have empathy is a sad thing, and it's not empathic to speak of these folks as if they are bad, or monsters, or fair game for criticism...

posted March 10, 2016 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
My Libra moon husband has a lot of empathy...well he is sensitive. Sometimes things have to be presented to him in a particular way, to reach him and evoke an emotional response. But then, seeing a homeless person will upset him...he'll say "Poor guy" and look somber for a while, like he is really thinking about it.

To not have empathy is a sad thing, and it's not empathic to speak of these folks as if they are bad, or monsters, or fair game for criticism...

Better to stay mindful that we could have turned out like that, too, and those of us who have compassion can spare some for those who don't...right? No place for judgment really.

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posted March 10, 2016 01:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Honestly, trying to bring reason into threads like this is always greeted like so.

It's been that way for years, I wouldn't be expecting any miraculous breakthroughs of rational thought, but we never know I guess. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, honestly. I don't think the intent is malicious, just rather miserably misguided.

Meh. I normally don't bother with these, or even glance at them. Must be Mars and Mercury hitting my T-square or something.

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posted March 10, 2016 08:31 AM            

I had a discussion with a female sociopath. I get around in my travels

She wanted to have children and I told her that someone without empathy should never have children.

The reason is that the baby's cry is one that must be picked up at a FEELING level, not a thinking one.

The language of the child is in the empathetic range.

This girl said she THOUGHT she could be a great mother because of what she could bring to the child.

I think it is impossible without empathy

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posted March 10, 2016 08:34 AM            

It is not a THOUGHT. It is not reason.

My dog has great empathy.

When I cry, she runs over and wants to go into my lap and kiss me.

Yes, people differ in the trait of empathy, as they do in the trait of beauty and intelligence.

I can't be politically correct and have any personal integrity lol

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posted March 10, 2016 08:34 AM            

Yes Now that all these old threads are getting bumped, you might see me saying the same kind of thing you were saying here, three years ago.

@roseelima & DopGang

Well said.

posted March 10, 2016 09:12 AM            

I think the single most empathetic placement would be the Unaspected Moon.

They are very unusual, very sensitive and very full of empathy.

We have a few on LL.

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posted March 10, 2016 09:41 AM              

@Violets, You're so right. I agree with most of what you said there... Except for the intent. The amount of malice I sense is shocking, and it's awful seeing a bunch of innocents at the receiving end. If it was simply misguided, like that lundan girl or somethin', then *well*. It's pretty obvious, and moreover that's none of my business. People'e thoughts and personality evolution take their own course.

posted March 10, 2016 09:48 AM              

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She wanted to have children and I told her that someone without empathy should never have children.

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posted March 10, 2016 10:33 AM            

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posted March 10, 2016 10:40 AM            

Ami just thrives on stirring up controversy, she enjoys being at the center of attention while people debate her controversial theories. If she didn't love it, she wouldn't do it so often.

Of course, in the process, she sabotages her own credibility with real astrologers...but she's more in it for entertainment and sensationalism, anyway. Anyone who takes astrology seriously will see her approach for what it is, and not even be bothered by it after a while.

Sometimes it still grates on me that she apparently "poisons the well" on purpose, with outrageous statements like, people with hard Jupiter aspects have no conscience...or, People with sun conjunct Mercury are insane...and it's a bit shocking when I see other people in the community lapping that up and repeating it as if it were sound astrological wisdom.

But you know...real gems have their value, and plastic gems have their value, too. There's a place for the gaudy, spectacular, fake stuff. It kind of does make the forum more interesting. We just have to see things for what they are.

posted March 10, 2016 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
@Elysia ~

Yes Now that all these old threads are getting bumped, you might see me saying the same kind of thing you were saying here, three years ago.

@roseelima & DopGang

Well said.

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posted March 10, 2016 11:51 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
@Elysia

Sometimes it still grates on me that she apparently "poisons the well" on purpose, with outrageous statements like, people with hard Jupiter aspects have no conscience...or, People with sun conjunct Mercury are insane...and it's a bit shocking when I see other people in the community lapping that up and repeating it as if it were sound astrological wisdom.

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