posted March 23, 2016 02:54 PM            

On the other hand...we do stand up for the underdog, we protect our loved ones and we have much empathy for good people who are going through bad times. In these cases, we are there for you wholeheartedly.

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posted March 23, 2016 03:28 PM              

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Oh it's true. Cancer Moons can be very warm, yet be very cold. It depends on how you treat us! How you treat our loved ones! We are emotionally adaptable & resilient...adjusting to each situation we are presented with.

If we sense that you are full of sh*t in any way, or feel that you are insensitive to our needs...we throw our armor on and you will be completely SHUT OUT - quickly dismissed, you might as well be dead.

On the other hand...we do stand up for the underdog, we protect our loved ones and we have much empathy for good people who are going through bad times. In these cases, we are there for you wholeheartedly.

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posted March 08, 2018 05:59 AM              

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Originally posted by roseelima16:
I definitely agree with you. The abundance or lack of water in a chart doesn't make one more or less empathetic. The most empathetic person I met in my life had a chart really really poor in terms of watery energy. If water was a prerequisite for empathy, the Moon wouldn't be exalted in Taurus and debilitated in Scorpio.

Also, I don't believe isolated placements/aspects make a person lack empathy. Several factors needed to be working together to cause that.

In medical Astrology:
- the Moon governs the lymbic system, the part of the brain that allows us to produce emotions. A Moon in bad condition can cause excess, lack or instability of emotions;
- the Sun governs the neocortex, the part of the brain that allows us to think and be conscious of what's going on around us and within us, including the ability of recognizing and being aware of our emotions;
- the Ascendant/1H/Aries are responsible for the control of the brain as a whole and, in a more specific way, for the control of the ventromedial prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain responsible for adjusting the emotions produced by the limbic system to social situations, and allows us to have the so called "moral emotions" (compassion, pity, regret, guilt, shame, solidarity).
- Mercury is also related to the brain, more specifically to the logical brain (intellect, rationality, cognition, memory). There are several areas spread over the brain responsible for all those functions.

People who have extremely low/zero empathy are commonly called psychopaths/sociopaths but Psychiatry doesn't use Psychopathy as a medical term. That condition is considered as a type of Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) but it's good to emphasize that not everyone who has ASPD is considered a psychopath. The same way not all psychopaths are serial killers (a very common myth propagated by the media). The disorder has different degrees and probably all of us already met or heard of people who use/scam others to get what they want and then move on without any kind of embarrassment or regret. Those kinds of behavior are already considered "psychopathic".
Also there's already scientific evidence based on image studies through fMRI, that psychopaths have limbic system and ventromedial prefrontal cortex hypofunction (creating lack of emotions or unability to link them to social interactions) and also hyperfunction of the logical brain (that explains why those individuals are extremely intelligent).

Based on that, I think several bad configurations involving those planets when COMBINED AND SUPPORTED BY THE BAD CONDITIONS OF THE DISPOSITORS, specially associated with hard aspects to Jupiter (social relationships), Saturn (coldness, boundaries) and the 7H/7th ruler (the others) could create lack of empathy.

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posted March 08, 2018 06:33 AM              

It's not about the element but.. the condition as another member previously stated.

I'm sad to see a lot of members disappear from this forum. It explains the vast change...

posted March 09, 2018 04:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
There is a spectrum for everything and that includes empathy.

I think the single most empathetic placement would be the Unaspected Moon.

They are very unusual, very sensitive and very full of empathy.

We have a few on LL.

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I see you make a lot of comments about yourself being empathetic. There have been a lot of times you label certain moons as cold without taking into consideration other aspects. To say certain moons are more likely to be sociopaths is just wrong. Because if that were the case why would there have been serial killers with water moons? Especially some with Pisces and Cancer moons. You think you're one of the most empathetic person because you have a unaspected Cancer moon? I beg to differ. How can one know their range of empathy? How can one even proclaim yourself as empathetic. If a person is so empathetic it is important ot shows in your actions. Because you can say you are empathetic, but yet you're not being empathetic to those who may worry that because you say a certain moon sign means sociopathic tendencies they may worry that they are are sociopaths/psycho paths. Like me for instance. I have an Aquarius moon and people call us cold hearted so often Im beginning to wonder if I am. And in turn it worries me, but you're not really thinking or being empathetic of those people in my opinion. Also to tell a lady that she shouldn't have kids because she is a "sociopath" isn't empathetic either. Yes, a parent should show love and understanding towards their children but not all mothers are like that, and they arent sociopaths. So how can you tell someone who wants kids that they cant have kids when not every mother is fit, sociopath or not. I mean if you say you have so much empathy wouldn't you be a bit more considerate towards her? We dont know if she still might be a good mom.

posted March 09, 2018 06:01 AM            

I have 2 very close friends who are water voids and they don't lack empathy either.

posted March 10, 2018 05:41 PM            

I know another Aries who was born on the equinox, though I jive better with this person. They are a bit immature. Not the most ideal roommate. Not financially responsible. Example, had money for drugs, but did not have money for rent.

posted March 10, 2018 07:21 PM            

I know some people with lack of water in their chart and they are not apathetic. This thread is very biased, as some of you typically are with these vague topics...

posted March 11, 2018 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Ted Bundy has jupiter as co ruler of his 8th in scorpio conjunct venus and square his saturn and pluto with pluto in the 12th conjunct his Ac.

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When dealing with potentially psychopathic, sociopathic, or severely antisocial (not to be confused with asocial), does astrology really play out the same way? If I remember correctly, you do some work in psychology? So, in many books about the study of "evil" in human nature, the study of psychopaths, sociopaths, antisocial personalities (psychopath is just a broad term), they all essentially conclude that they have severe thinking errors and do not think the way most others think. So, if someone is literally a psychopath, they're really not going to be like the rest of us. I've not studied how astrology has been altered when dealing with such individuals, but someone like this could have the "best" placements for empathy, but because of the nature of what they are, it is expressed completely differently.

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Originally posted by VirgoAquaSag:
I can't believe water moon people calling themselves "empathetic" yet finding Air moons "cold"... if you are so empathetic about other people's emotions, you should be able to relate why as to that person expresses his/her feelings that way, no?

Water placements=EMPATHETIC is just NO.

What I've actually witnessed is that people with a lot of water (especially water moons) is that they were wrapped up in THEIR emotions most of the time to even feel what other people are feeling. Emotionally selfish is what I would call it.

EMPATHY does not work like that.

Empathy I think comes from Saturn & Neptune. You must be emotionally mature enough to understand other people's feelings and why they feel such emotions. Experiences in life (Saturn) teaches you those things. You must have felt those emotions before to truly understand and empathize with their emotions. Neptune comes in a part where you don't necessarily have to have same emotional experiences before but can relate to the person anyway.

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posted March 11, 2018 12:04 PM            

So in short. All human beings are born with empathy, some has stronger, some has weaker, but it can be developed and strenghtened during childhood, adulthood.