posted July 24, 2019 04:54 PM            

Any fire/air Moon other than Leo (not that I highly like it but it's ok) is an immediate No for me. I don't even need to check someone's chart, I sense it immediately if he has what I call a cold Moon. We are on completely different levels. They are usually loud and messy in home, they suck my energy and I have to explain simple things that I shouldn't, I can't even count how many times I've been shocked of how superficial, non understanding they are. Of course that's my personal pov as a Pisces Moon. For me Aries Moon is the worst.

Moon/Mars hard aspects

I don't want to live eith or depend on anyway on someone with these aspects, but I haven't seen yet how it works with earthy/watery Moons even though I know so many of them..

Jupiter in 5th H
Venus/Mars in Sag

They tend to be the type to cheat or they don't take sex seriously, they have lots of casual sex like it's a sport or smth which is fine by me but I'm not like that so we aren't compatible.

Mercury in Pisces
Mercury in hard aspect to Neptune
Neptune conjunct ASC/Pisces ASC
Virgo placements.

I find Virgos boring generally and unlike the other two earth signs not sensual at all which wouldn't bother me by itself.
All of the Virgo Suns and Mars I know (mostly women) are copycats. It disgusts me because to me it means they lack personality. They observe others and copy their style/moves/way of speaking/moving/anything.
The women I know tend to act cute/sensual/laugh in order to be liked by others but it's so fake, it's so obvious they are not being themselves, honestly I've felt pity for them. Others around them are awkward in a "please stop trying so hard" way. Virgos do this copy thing consciously the other ones I mentioned do it unconsciously.
I don't find Virgos to be judgemental of others or cleanfreaks in a negative way. They are very practical which I highly appreciate. If it wasn't for that I would like Virgos way more.

In SYNASTRY

•My Saturn in square/opposite his Mars

Same thing happened with all of them. I couldn't connect sexually. I'm not even talking about having sex, I'm talking about being able to talk about sex, to want to talk about sex, to think about it, to get turned on. I thouggt it was because of me and our platonic aspects but it wasn't.

•My Saturn square/opposite his Moon

Couldn't take him seriously emotionally, he was kind of imature and a bit childish. At least I saw him like that.

Saturn hard aspects in synastry aren't bonding in my case, they act like a block.
Probably because I have unaspected Saturn and both Uranian and Neptunian energy in my chart.

posted July 24, 2019 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Brenda_S:
I agree, there's no way Piscean's are smothering. Like no.

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i just spent the night with one who definitely is, i doubt the scorpio mars outweighs everything (pisces sun and pisces mercury)
@Plutonian2

posted July 24, 2019 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@Plutonian2
damn you would hate me lol aries moon, virgo sun, moon square mars, and a 5th house jupiter

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Lol
Although I wouldn't want to live with you in the same house I don't feel like I would hate you.

For one I know (well enough) just one Virgo male and I don't even know his natal chart (he may have other Virgo/Pisces energy). He was a copycat though but I don't know if it was as extreme as in the Virgo women I've known. Still I can't base it on just one person whose chart is unknown to me.

I don't dislike Jupiter in 5th H I just wouldn't be (in a relationship) with someone who has it because we're just incompatible. I mean I have Pluto in 5th H (square Venus and Mars) and Saturn in 8th H so sex to me is serious bussiness. You wouldn't want to make me jealous and wake up one day with your penis missing would you?

lol

It's true I dislike Aries Moon and Moon/Mars hard aspects at least in fiery and air signs (again when it comes to living under the same roof and in intimate relationships) but I'm wondering if in your case is any different because of your Mars in Cap (since it's ruling your Moon).
Also if my memory serves me right you have Libra Venus as your chart ruler?
Venus is strong of course in Libra, unlike Moon in Aries. Libra balances Aries.
I know for sure my uncle who has Aries Moon conjunct Saturn and he is nothing like your classic Aries Moon. I can't know all the possible combos, there may be exceptions but all the ones I know till know except of my uncle are like that.

posted July 24, 2019 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i just spent the night with one who definitely is (pisces sun and mercury), i doubt the scorpio mars outweighs everything

@Plutonian2

damn you would hate me lol aries moon, virgo sun, moon square mars, and a 5th house jupiter

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posted July 24, 2019 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Me, too. Gemini Moon, Aries Sun, Moon/Venus square Mars, Jupiter in the 5th (not a cheater, don't sleep around, so I don't fit the description, but there you go).

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I didn't say about Aries Sun anything bad though.

I'm interested to know about your Jupiter in 5th, your 7th and 8th H (signs, planets in those houses and aspects).

So your Mars is in Virgo or Pisces?
What are your Moon aspects?

posted July 25, 2019 05:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
I didn't say about Aries Sun anything bad though.

I'm interested to know about your Jupiter in 5th, your 7th and 8th H (signs, planets in those houses and aspects).

So your Mars is in Virgo or Pisces?
What are your Moon aspects?

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I think we all have one thing that hasn't worked for us. I keep hearing that someone's Mars conjunct my Moon/Venus is sexy, but it isn't for me. They have been attracted to me, though, and one guy made my life hell (my BIL).

posted July 25, 2019 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Lol
Although I wouldn't want to live with you in the same house I don't feel like I would hate you.

For one I know (well enough) just one Virgo male and I don't even know his natal chart (he may have other Virgo/Pisces energy). He was a copycat though but I don't know if it was as extreme as in the Virgo women I've known. Still I can't base it on just one person whose chart is unknown to me.

I don't dislike Jupiter in 5th H I just wouldn't be (in a relationship) with someone who has it because we're just incompatible. I mean I have Pluto in 5th H (square Venus and Mars) and Saturn in 8th H so sex to me is serious bussiness. You wouldn't want to make me jealous and wake up one day with your penis missing would you?

lol

It's true I dislike Aries Moon and Moon/Mars hard aspects at least in fiery and air signs (again when it comes to living under the same roof and in intimate relationships) but I'm wondering if in your case is any different because of your Mars in Cap (since it's ruling your Moon).
Also if my memory serves me right you have Libra Venus as your chart ruler?
Venus is strong of course in Libra, unlike Moon in Aries. Libra balances Aries.
I know for sure my uncle who has Aries Moon conjunct Saturn and he is nothing like your classic Aries Moon. I can't know all the possible combos, there may be exceptions but all the ones I know till know except of my uncle are like that.

At least you have my fav Mars.
If I could have just one of my fav placements/aspects it would be Mars in Cap.

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not sure what you mean about the copycat thing, i'm always myself and if i tone myself down in a social situation it's a calculated move (which is also me being authentically me because i do what gets me by as easily as possible that's part of me) and a situation calls for it

i don't look at other people to dictate my behavior or interests or anything like that though, and i have no desire to impress people i'm more "take it or leave it" and don't typically have a filter

You wouldn't want to make me jealous and wake up one day with your penis missing would you?

as kinky as that sounds that's a little too much for me lol i'm not good with that sort of thing because i like to flirt and i like some level of freedom

i can take sex seriously if it's serious, but i also don't see all sex as serious because it doesn't have to be

sometimes it's just fun or just a way to get to know someone to decide whether or not you actually like them

it can bring out other sides in a person that can be worth seeing before any labels are put on anything

also one of the reasons i'm breaking things off with a new guy i hooked up with yesterday/the night before is he looked over my shoulder while i was on my phone (lot of things though) so even something like that is too invasive for me

i'm not the type that really gets angry, but when i do i'm an ******* i can admit that much lol but i'm not particularly selfish like the common aries moon stereotype is because i'm not particularly attached to things i want like that and if someone matters to me they'll come first

venus in libra is my chart ruler yeah, it's also opposite my moon and balancing out that kite attached to my ascendant/descendant and nodes (i find it satisfying that a planet in libra is also a kite balance point) because i have moon-mercury and moon-uranus alongside the moon-venus, moon-mars aspects (t-square and a kite)

my moon has a lot going on to alter its expression basically

i can't entirely relate to a lot of cap mars descriptions they tend to give this overly conservative very driven impression and i'm not really like that

i mean i'll walk through hell to get something i want or if i have to and keep going without an issue i'm not the give up type don't get me wrong

and there isn't really a limit to how far i'll push when it comes to doing what it takes if necessary either, and i can cool off my feelings unless i allow myself to have them in many cases etc

and if i'm focusing on something i'm working on, it can have my undying attention without sleep or anything else distracting me for a while but then i also have a tendency to drop things unfinished if i get distracted by something else so my follow through isn't always the best with that

i'm hoping eventually my mars works properly

@teasel

i have venus square mars too, from libra- cap rather than aries-cap like my moon-mars square (moon-venus opposition)

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posted July 25, 2019 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I think we all have one thing that hasn't worked for us. I keep hearing that someone's Mars conjunct my Moon/Venus is sexy, but it isn't for me. They have been attracted to me, though, and one guy made my life hell (my BIL).

I have Moon/Venus/SN in Gem, square Mars in Pisces. Trine Pluto, and sextile Jupiter. So their Mars in early Gemini, will be square mine, as well as stressing out Moon/Venus, and inconjunct my Uranus/ascendant in Scorpio. So that would be one placement I'm not keen on seeing.

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Of course everything depends on someone's chart. Before I got deeper into astrology I was suspicious when people said that, I thought they said it in order to play safe. As I got into astrology and saw how aspects worked and changed according to other different aspects and house placements I understood how a small difference (different house placement for example) can have a huge impact. My friend born 2 days before I was born has the same exact natal chart as mine different Moon and house placements. Knowing her well helped me very much to understand similar things (especially the importance of house placements).

posted July 25, 2019 05:30 PM            

With the copycat thing, if someone compliments someone's else style/perfume for example she'll go buy those clothes/perfume.
If you tell her you want to paint your nails black/red/purple she'll go and paint them that specific colour even if it's one she doesn't like and would normally not wear. If a man says "I love how she says it in such a cute way" she'll start to talk like that in order to be seen as cute. (honestly that's so cringey)
They try to observe others when others secretely to see how they do things in a shady way instead of asking or normally watch them. They actually know very well what they're doing. It's like they are empty inside and they record whatever info they can from their environment and immitate it. Whatever new they do/say/think, they saw it from someone else 1000%. It creeps me out because this is so robotic like they don't feel/think for themeselves they just record any info around them and reprogram themselves according to that.

Don't forget they have other Virgo placements too (Mars for sure) and if my memory serves me right 2 of them have Libra Mercury, I also remember they lack any Martian and Uranian energy but I don't know their house placements.
I'm not the only one aware of their behavior. I should see their charts again because it's been some time.

I don't believe with your Aries Moon and Leo Mercury you would be like that.

What I'm telling you is completely different from normal stuff like watching someone to learn smth you don't know. Or when you hang out a lot and you adopt smth someone says/does a lot. Also I don't mean our different sides. Of course we act differently in different circumstances, we don't have just one side.

I know you like to flirt and experiment and it's nice since you're honest about it. I would prefer to be like that nowadays. But I'm not that's why I'm highly incompatible with someone who has this placements (unless smth in the rest of his chart indicates otherwise, I suspect Saturn could do that maybe Uranus too but I haven't experienced it).

Wow you have Moon/Uranus! that explains actually even better why you're not like a typical Aries Moon. Uranus/Moon is way more detached. I don't remember the orbs of your planets but is Uranus also aspecting your Venus/ASC or Mars?.
The more Uranian energy the better, I feel the most comfortable with Aquarian/Uranian people, maybe that's why you don't get on my nerves lol.

Actually whatever you say about your Cap Mars is very Cap Mars like, so I don't know why you feel like your Cap Mars isn't working properly. Living things unfinished is too much of an Aries thing, I'm not sure if Gemini and Aqua are like that too but I could see them be like that because they get quickly bored. Generally the cardinal signs are said to be the starters who won't finish what they started. I highly doubt that though because Capricorn isn't one to leave things unfinished, it's actually the most patient one. With all those cardinal signs, Aries and Uramus energy your Mars seema to work pretty great actually.

posted July 25, 2019 09:04 PM            

got you, and nah i don't really care about what other people are doing or what people like someone else for

i can't be bothered with that kind of **** , it seems frivolous and pointless and why try hard being someone else when it's way easier and more convenient to just be you? i don't like people who don't like me anyway, so it all works out and i need no approval

i have met people like that though, one of them was a virgo the other was a scorpio, but i don't know their charts

in my case though i like myself, and i feel like if someone dislikes me they're probably unreasonable and ****** because i'm ******* great lol no **** though

i get exactly what you mean though because like i said i've known two people who were like that, and it's definitely weird and seems pointless

and i get you, that's not something everyone can or wants to deal with in a romantic situation which is totally reasonable

i'm upfront about the way i am because i know that about others and i don't think it would be fair to lie or mislead anyone into thinking i could be someone different for them

i prefer my relationships to be more authentic especially if i actually love the person, i don't want a bunch of ******** that doesn't need to be there to be a thing

i can be loyal though, it's not like that, but sometimes that's not good enough for someone they want to be the only one or they want to own and i'd rather chew a limb off than have someone feel like they owned me

this is my chart to make it easier

i feel like i could be doing more, and never do enough and i hate that

i also have a tendency to use all that energy towards **** like sex and drugs and fun rather than anything practical

though when it comes to music or writing then i can do what i mentioned where i feel like i don't need food or water or sleep or distractions or to participate in life i just need to sit down and work on something for hours or days or whatever it takes

i don't need much to keep me going indefinitely the only thing that ever ***** me up is getting distracted by a different idea or life making itself a priority

posted July 25, 2019 10:49 PM            

Exactly, time will reveal someone's true self anyway. I don't understand why they make it more difficult and complicated than it already is. I wish you knew their date and place of birth at least.

Your Sun is in your 11th H and you have tight Uranus trines and sextiles.
Uranus likes originality.
Aries and South Node in 1st are like that too.

in my case though i like myself, and i feel like if someone dislikes me they're probably unreasonable and ****** because i'm ******* great lol no **** though

hahahah I like the way you see it

Well yes I mean loyal in the classic sense you know.. having sex just with the person you love

i feel like i could be doing more, and never do enough and i hate that

i also have a tendency to use all that energy towards **** like sex and drugs and fun rather than anything practical

though when it comes to music or writing then i can do what i mentioned where i feel like i don't need food or water or sleep or distractions or to participate in life i just need to sit down and work on something for hours or days or whatever it takes

i don't need much to keep me going indefinitely the only thing that ever ***** me up is getting distracted by a different idea or life making itself a priority

All Caps feel like they could be doing more, even if they do everything they won't be satisfied.

The disatisfaction probably comes from Mars/Moon and Mars/Venus squares
and I highly suspect Jupiter in 5th H is very similar to Pluto in 5th H when it comes to things they like and things they don't. I can overdo it with things I love but it's so difficilt to do things I have to do but I dislike or just find boring.

Still you should be better than me at that I have Uranus in 6th H which makes things worse.

I saw your Mars, Neptune, and Uranus in 3rd H. Then your that your 3rd H is ruled by your Jupiter in Pisces in 5th H and then I checked for your Mercury which is in 10th H. I wanted to ask you what you're doing and if it has to do with writing and music. The music part is because of Neptune in your 3rd and Jupiter in Pisces.
Neptune is linked to music, poetry, fantasy, gardening, movies etc.
3rd H has to do with writing and speech (communication generally) like Mercury that is in your 10th H.

It would make so much sense for you do be doing something related to that.

And then I saw your Saturn in 2nd H and I got depressed lol. And then I thought of my 2nd H with Jup and Venus in it which isn't doing any better than your 2nd H Saturn and got even more depressed..
And I ended up thinking how shity this life is lol.

*Your Saturn is ruled by your Pisces Jupiter too!

posted July 26, 2019 12:07 AM            

i haven't seen either of them in about 11 years or so, they were crazy as **** , but i used to like spending time with them to watch them fight (they were a couple) while they gave me free alcohol

they were both a year or 2 older than me something like that, when i first started hanging out with them i couldn't legally get alcohol and they could

they had the best fights, no **** , it was like getting to watch live trash tv while i drank

it got too weird though, and the guy (who was gay, she was his beard) had a thing for me and that went to weird places

i know her birthday was in september and his was november but that's about it

trying to be someone else is just doomed to fail anyway, so it's wasted effort, and yeah the heavy uranus influences probably add to that

they definitely added to how much of an ******* i was as a kid

yeah i can't do loyalty like that necessarily, i can for a while, but i'd **** that up because it's not about love for me at all

i can deeply love someone but that has nothing to do with sex, and then there's different kinds of love there's like the fun happy first getting to know each other and ******* kind of "love" that's not actual love but it's fun and then there's deep committed love etc and one shouldn't interfere with the other because why would it? as far as i'm concerned it doesn't really make sense that they would, but i know that's not how other people feel or act necessarily

in my case i probably really could be doing more or at least consistently be doing anything

i'll go through periods where all i do is just let **** ride on what i've got because i figure **** will work out or it won't, and that means it will somehow as long as i'm alive

and during those times i don't do anything necessarily unless it's a hobby or fun or i'm just ******* around

then i'll get a job if i need to which i never take seriously, crash and burn the whole thing and move on

i can do something i don't enjoy, but i won't be sober for it necessarily, is more how i am

i can do something i ******* hate even, but only if it has purpose and typically if it's for someone else, like if i have to suck it up and put up with miserable conditions for a little while i'll do it and be fine with it

i care about the why i'm doing it over what i'm doing when **** comes down to it

that being said i prefer to not have to do things i don't enjoy and if i'm not obligated to or in a position where that needs to happen i just don't

my dissatisfaction comes from knowing i can be extremely lazy and extremely prone to pleasure seeking over anything with a huge inability to really pull myself together to finish things i start that i want to finish

most of the things you listed are more just hobbies for me (not poetry though i guess if lyrics count there's that), i'll focus on them heavy because i enjoy them and it bothers me if i don't get them out but then i do nothing with it

as a matter of fact i have tendency to throw writing away or just lose it, music is a little harder to do that with obviously but i don't ever bother really recording it

love gardening too, but that's just because i like having tons of plants around and like to read botany books when i'm bored and feel like it

money wise i wouldn't actually say i've worked very hard, because i tend to just either end up with some money or do random **** temporarily and get some and then drop it

and i guess in the past there's been other **** that i'm not getting into here lol

i tend to just let **** ride on luck tbh with that, which isn't at all like working hard for anything, but that's what i mean about myself and how i know i could be doing more

even when i do a lot, tirelessly, i literally still could be doing more because usually if i'm doing tirelessly it's something i don't care if i get anything for it it's just something i do to do

which is partially why i'm not bothered by having a ton of unfinished things around

i've had points where i've had just the basics points where i've had more than that, points where i've only had drugs all over the place really

self esteem wise? i think i'm pretty realistic myself, i know my flaws and i know my good qualities and i know that a person is never solely just who they are at any given point in time so it's pretty pointless to get caught up in caring that much

i don't compare myself to other people because that's pointless too

i'd date me, i'd **** me, i'm good with that

i've dealt with reoccurring depression and **** , but that's pretty whatever life goes on and feelings pass

i'm also past my saturn return though and have hit near zen levels of apathy and numbness about most things

i don't own much but that's because for the most part material things don't interest me, and i break nearly everything anyway eventually

my health complicates **** though, there's that, but so far luck has gotten me by well enough and if it ever stops there's prostitution lol

if something about my life is going to depress you it shouldn't be that at all, i've got plenty of stories more depressing than my 2nd house

that exact transit retrograde saturn square to my natal venus on tuesday for example? so much worse than that (retrograde pluto was exact conjunct my ic too)

on the bright side it'd be pretty hard to go on worse date than that without getting murdered (in which case i wouldn't be able to think about a bad date afterwards lol but im also unlikely to ever go on a worse one), but the bad side of that is that it'd be pretty hard to go on a worse date than that without getting murdered

there's worse stuff than a 2nd house saturn, just like sometimes a 2nd house with venus and jupiter in it doesn't necessarily give you the best

it all comes down to perspective, what matters and what doesn't

edit: btw when it comes to self esteem my answer is how i view things now, younger i did have issues with that due to abuse and whatnot

but the thing is ive never been particularly judgmental of other people and their flaws so i started to see it like i was being unfair to myself to judge myself harshly over things id think nothing of when it came to someone else

so it didnt really seem logical to hold myself to a different standard than i would anyone else since i dont really see other people as "better" or "worse" than each other and that realization changed my perspective entirely

everyone has flaws and good qualities and chances to grow etc and i feel like its wrong to not give them chances so by that same lohic it's sort of stupid to me to get caught up in that sort of self defeating cycle where my issues hold more weight than anyone else's

because they don't and that sort of perspective is unbalanced, unfair, and makes little sense

just to clarify on the self esteem thing, there's definitely **** i cant stand about myself but i dont see that as a big deal

just stuff to work on or around, everyone's got that going on, im not so special that i need to beat myself up over something i wouldnt look down on someone else for

posted July 26, 2019 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Of course everything depends on someone's chart. Before I got deeper into astrology I was suspicious when people said that, I thought they said it in order to play safe. As I got into astrology and saw how aspects worked and changed according to other different aspects and house placements I understood how a small difference (different house placement for example) can have a huge impact. My friend born 2 days before I was born has the same exact natal chart as mine different Moon and house placements. Knowing her well helped me very much to understand similar things (especially the importance of house placements).

I would like to see your chart.
I've discussed with Dumuzi and I have an idea how he sees sex, he perfectly fits the Jupiter in 5th H description.
I dom't know about you. Are you a player/cheater/polyamorus?

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I'm actually abstinent, because I haven't found someone that I'm attracted to, and want to be with in a relationship - but I think I would have been a bit more relaxed about things like that, if certain other things hadn't happened in my life.

Things that have happened in recent years, soured me on relationships when it comes to someone being declared "my favourite" - there are people who have been in my life, my whole life. I'm not going to declare someone to be the most important over them. But I'm not poly. I hated when that was the "in thing". I don't care what other people do, it's none of my business, I don't look down on them. But it was really being pushed as *the* lifestyle and the only way to truly love people, for a while there (at least online), and it just depressed me.

posted July 26, 2019 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

i can be loyal though, it's not like that, but sometimes that's not good enough for someone they want to be the only one or they want to own and i'd rather chew a limb off than have someone feel like they owned me

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I've always wanted monogamous relationships, but I also don't want anyone to feel like they own me. I've been single so much, because I'm so wary, due to things I've mentioned in the past.

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i feel like i could be doing more, and never do enough and i hate that

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I do, too. In my own life.

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though when it comes to music or writing then i can do what i mentioned where i feel like i don't need food or water or sleep or distractions or to participate in life i just need to sit down and work on something for hours or days or whatever it takes

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I used to draw and paint all night, and finally come up for air, to get something to eat, and make tea. Then I'd crawl into bed, and sleep for hours. I miss that. I don't have any excuses for not doing it now, except that I haven't done it in so long, and I'm out of practice. Other things took over.

posted July 26, 2019 10:02 AM            

yeah, the ownership thing can go to really dark places, i know that firsthand too unfortunately and i'm sorry you've been there

i haven't been single much, but i'm currently in a place where i think maybe it's more comfortable to be at least right now

my ex fiancee and i had a really long roller coaster relationship, and while i still care about her stepping outside of it and having some breathing room has been good (she had a scorpio stellium, venus conjunct pluto both square her ascendant and a scorpio mercury square her mars, mars square saturn etc just a lot of intense aspects)

the last date i went on tuesday was pretty ******* terrible too due to ownership/possessiveness stuff actually (he has scorpio mars square uranus and opposite his moon and him and i had a lot of hard pluto contacts in synastry his mars conjunct my pluto and his venus and moon opposite my pluto) and like i said that kind of mentality can make things bad quick

i'm sure it's partially because of the way i am and people with issues like that just reacting to an extent, but it's not the best combination

i think the thing is in my case i definitely could be doing more on some level but im bad with focus and direction

put me in a bad situation and i can push through it and make **** work, but outside of that i'm not the best with getting my **** together and being a person

if my health was better and i was ok with taking orders i probably couldve done alright in the military just being shoved into high stress situations where you either do what you have to or you die tbh that kind of **** i can handle, thats why ive been able to get through so much **** in my life

but leave me to my own devices in a good situation and im mostly just pleasure seeking with little motivation to do much more than have the basics alongside fun

which isnt good longterm at all, its shortsighted and stupid really, but in spite of being aware of that im still bad at actual direction and follow through

it's terrible really, probably one of my worst qualities

i'm not even being hard on myself there just truth, i always could be doing more because even if im endlessly plugging away at something it's probably just for the **** of it with no intentions or thoughts behind it

the only way to get back into something is to just do it, it might feel forced at first because it will be but after a while of continuously doing it you'll probably feel different

i can tell you miss it and honestly, based on what i know of you it sounds like you could use that creative outlet and it'd really benefit you

posted July 27, 2019 12:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

i haven't seen either of them in about 11 years or so, they were crazy as **** , but i used to like spending time with them to watch them fight (they were a couple) while they gave me free alcohol

they were both a year or 2 older than me something like that, when i first started hanging out with them i couldn't legally get alcohol and they could

they had the best fights, no **** , it was like getting to watch live trash tv while i drank

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LOL

I can't understand love without that kind of loyalty even though until a couple of years ago sex and love were two different things for me. I was in love and I didn't want to have sex with him (although I realised it was my Saturn square their Mars) or I was turned on by someone for whom I never had feelings. But ehen in love I give and I want back exclusivity, otherwise you just don't love me, you don't love me enough, you don't love me the way I want to be loved.

my dissatisfaction comes from knowing i can be extremely lazy and extremely prone to pleasure seeking over anything with a huge inability to really pull myself together to finish things i start that i want to finish

I feel we're very similar although still you sound better than me. I'm pretty sure pleasure seeking has to do with the 5th H. Because my 2 friends born a few days earlier than me have the exact same chart but they're not like this.
You know what I prefer to have those teo extreme planets (Jupiter or Pluto) than having Saturn in 5th H instead. We have something that makes us feel very good probably that is why we are overdoing it. And because we felt this kind of pleasure anything that we don't like seems extremely boring in comparison. I don't see many getting such a deep fullfilling pleasure out of something and at least in my case it makes me feel so fullfilled and it has to do a lot with me wanting to go solo. I see it as smth very positive actually. When T.Saturn was in my 5th H it was the first time that I lost interest in everything.. I was doing things I normally loved and I didn't felt the pleasure I always did. That's when T.Saturn was on my Pluto. I wouldn't want to have Saturn in 5th H natally. You know it still changed me afterwards because I would dance for at least 5 hours a day everyday since then I dance just 30-60 minutes everyday or every other day.

love gardening too, but that's just because i like having tons of plants around and like to read botany books when i'm bored and feel like it

I'm surprised you like gardening! Although I mentioned it because it's a Neptunian thing, I didn't expect you to like it.

money wise i wouldn't actually say i've worked very hard, because i tend to just either end up with some money or do random **** temporarily and get some and then drop it

my health complicates **** though, there's that, but so far luck has gotten me by well enough and if it ever stops there's prostitution lol

ahahahah I can imagine you as a prostitute/pornstar just because you seem to like having sex quite often, you're open about it and you seem to like trying new things and partners.
Although I wouldn't do it, (I wouldn't do many things) I admire people who find a way to make money unless what they're doing is harmful physically/emotionally to someone else.
Money and freedom was in my plans from a very young age that majority of kids don't even know where money came from an its importance. And I wasn't that poor.

if something about my life is going to depress you it shouldn't be that at all, i've got plenty of stories more depressing than my 2nd house

that exact transit retrograde saturn square to my natal venus on tuesday for example? so much worse than that (retrograde pluto was exact conjunct my ic too)

Aside from health issues and traumatic exepreinces that aren't your choice I find poverty the most depressing of all. Even when having health issues money still makes life better than what it would be without money.
I don't even want to be wealthy, I don't care about expensive things etc. I just want money in order to avoid doing the boring things we were talking about before.. like cooking for example. I would want to be wealthy just to help others not for myself.

What happened on that date??
Out of topic but I read that you broke up with your fiance!?!? I remember someone mentioned that you would probably "lose" your fiance due to some transit. You have T.Saturn and Node squaring your Moon and Venus.

there's worse stuff than a 2nd house saturn, just like sometimes a 2nd house with venus and jupiter in it doesn't necessarily give you the best

edit: btw when it comes to self esteem my answer is how i view things now, younger i did have issues with that due to abuse and whatnot

but the thing is ive never been particularly judgmental of other people and their flaws so i started to see it like i was being unfair to myself to judge myself harshly over things id think nothing of when it came to someone else

so it didnt really seem logical to hold myself to a different standard than i would anyone else since i dont really see other people as "better" or "worse" than each other and that realization changed my perspective entirely

Actually even though Saturn in 2nd H is supposed to make the native work hard just for him to have the basics, I see that many avoid it, which occurs very often with things represented by the house Saturn occupies.

So your self esteem got better and you realised that you've been harsher with yourself. That's Saturnian in nature. The only thing missing is fear of poverty. But I don't know many with this placement so..

Actually except of Pluto, Saturn and Neptune (I'm not sure about Uranus) nothing else (including Jupiter) works in the 2nd H when it comes to money per se.

posted July 27, 2019 02:05 PM            

it's definitely not for everyone, and i get that, but when i love someone deeply it really does run deep and i find it sad that people think that it's somehow cheapened by the way i am

is what it is though

i was young when transit saturn was in my 5th house so i can't really say how it felt, but it'll get there again soon enough

i've been through some serious severe depression where i didn't like anything i used to do and still couldn't get back into it, though in my case it's probably for the best that i don't sit around all day smoking weed and playing halo and gears of war on xbox live lol

why are you surprised i like it? it's actually funny because i really ******* love plants

i like wandering around learning about local ones trying them for all their medicinal,recreational, and culinary purposes, they're aesthetically pleasing, i find them interesting etc

sex just isn't necessarily a big deal to me, the only turn off about that kind of thing is the clientele in a lot of cases otherwise eh no big deal

i'm weird with money in the sense that me having it doesn't usually come with me also spending it except on things unless i have to, which is a saturn 2nd house thing

it's not really about saving it for anything in particular or being afraid it's just that most things don't seem worth buying to me

i don't need much to get by and without anything that seems like a worthwhile investment i can't see a reason to invest

i care about freedom to an extent, but it's largely just an illusion and you're only ever truly free inside your own head anyway

but i find the world itself restrictive in that sense

i like cooking lol and i prefer it to going to restaurants, better food and i have full control of what's in it and how sanitary it is etc it being cost effective is a bonus i guess but that's not it for me

what i find the most depressing is a life void of spiritual experiences, fun, and connections with other people that are meaningful tbh

i've had points where i've had virtually nothing due to heavy drug use and life worked out, i'm the type of person who can get by on very minimal **** and not care

they told me we might break up when it first squared my venus back in january

what ended up happening is we talked about some heavy **** like having a family and making things work in a different more serious way than we had been instead, sobering up too

then the retrograde came and we started using drugs again and doing stupid **** and and we broke up right at the start of the mercury retrograde this past month

stayed on friendly terms still care about each other etc and then when saturn retrograde squared my venus exact (and pluto retrograde hit my ic exact, when it hit it the first time direct again that was heavy stuff about family and taking things more serious, but we didn't jump right on that) i went on that date with that guy and that was hellish

i don't really want to get into that let's just say it started well and then he got really ******* weird and with me after the first time we had sex (which went fine) and that escalated to a place i would've preferred it to not go

i broke things off with him while he was telling me he missed me and **** it was awkward

he knew he ****** up and asked for another chance and **** but he couldn't reasonably expect it so it was an easy enough break i guess

anyway with my fiancee

her and i have actually spoken recently (today and this past week, but especially today) about possibly getting back together and things being different than what they were (commitment wise, actually doing the family thing etc because we didn't move to the next level like we wanted when things first hit direct, instead as soon as saturn and pluto went retrograde we just went back to messing around and using drugs and **** again which was the direction we agreed we couldn't go in to keep things alive and obviously it's not a direction that works out between us) we haven't set anything in stone yet, but this break isn't necessarily permanent, just something we both needed in different ways

but oddly enough by the time saturn squares my venus again (after it goes all the way back to 1 degree conjunct my mars) direct it might be about what it was the first time it squared **** back in january where we realized it was either move things to a different more serious level or it wouldn't work

it's weird to reflect and think we broke up during the retrograde period because we didn't follow through with what we agreed needed to happen in order for us to have anything the first time the square hit direct (which was when the break up predicted on here)

it just pulled the issues back up about what's completely not sustainable and doesn't work, and when things go direct again who knows?

but we are currently talking about some heavy **** and things that need to be done/change between us and circumstances where we would get back together

it's a potentially strong possibility currently, it'd be a lot of permanent heavy serious changes though for us both and some very different ****

she also has some serious mental health issues that she needs to deal with, and getting a break from those has helped me sort some **** out too and whether we get back together or not there needs to be some changes both with us as individuals and between us

but yeah currently things have gone from "over" to "maybe we'll get back together" from the beginning of mercury retrograde to the end of it, so we'll see and we'll see if saturn and pluto going direct touch on the issues that they did when they first hit everything that way

be interesting, especially because the retrograde was a relapse into old habits that definitely showed the old **** we were doing isn't sustainable for us

i've heard saturn in the 2nd house isn't too bad for building stability and **** post saturn return and can lead to something more lasting so there's that at least

i've definitely destroyed chances at stability by doing dumb **** in the past, but with where things are at in my life currently change needs to happen i guess

have to be a person at some point

i think it's interesting how jupiter has made you money hungry and not feel like you have enough whereas saturn has made me feel like i don't need much to work with and i don't care much either

i just look at money like a tool of control that people tend to spend so much time acquiring only to get unnecessary pointless things that leave them craving more when half the stuff they do buy is unnecessary and actual effort would cost less and be more fulfilling

edit: the more i get to know her as a friend the less i can imagine actually wanting a relationship with her again though

posted July 29, 2019 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
Plut0nian2:

it's definitely not for everyone, and i get that, but when i love someone deeply it really does run deep and i find it sad that people think that it's somehow cheapened by the way i am

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It doesn't feel cheapened it's just feels not deep enough for me personally. Maybe because I've felt similarly to you and it was when I wasn't in love.

Good luck with T.Saturn in your 5th H. Maybe you'll get serious with your fiance? T.Saturn will be on your Jupiter too. Imagine her getting pregnant (since 5th H is about children too).

You know what based on the things you enjoy (the ones that aren't good for you) T.Saturn in 5th may feel really bad and depressing but I believe it will help you.

why are you surprised i like it? it's actually funny because i really ******* love plants

I don't know I just can't picture you even finding them aesthetically pleasing let alone being interested in them. Everything you've said about you it makes sense to me but this seems very weird for some reason. Maybe because I have in my mind that very romantic or at least super earthy people like plants/flowers etc. To me they feel so boring and non pleasing aesthitically. I like very few flowers but I don't even want them around.

it's not really about saving it for anything in particular or being afraid it's just that most things don't seem worth buying to me

i don't need much to get by and without anything that seems like a worthwhile investment i can't see a reason to invest

i care about freedom to an extent, but it's largely just an illusion and you're only ever truly free inside your own head anyway

but i find the world itself restrictive in that sense

i like cooking lol and i prefer it to going to restaurants, better food and i have full control of what's in it and how sanitary it is etc it being cost effective is a bonus i guess but that's not it for me

Actually I feel the same way including cooking. The problem with cooking especially is that I'm lazy and I fight it extremely time consuming. I don't have the energy to cook and then do the laundry. Imagine doing it twice a day it's about 3-4 hours a day. Unlike cleaning that I find it very fair compared to cooking.
Freedom is subjective. Without money I won't ever feel completely free you'll have to depend on someone else at least once in a while. So money for me just makes life way less boring and way easier.

i broke things off with him while he was telling me he missed me and **** it was awkward

hahahah I love it when others get awkward so much

Do you want to be with your fiance again? I mean do you miss being with her? Do you just miss her as a person? Do you miss her being around and having company? Do you miss the safety/familiarity you have with her?

it's weird to reflect and think we broke up during the retrograde period because we didn't follow through with what we agreed needed to happen in order for us to have anything the first time the square hit direct (which was when the break up predicted on here)

it just pulled the issues back up about what's completely not sustainable and doesn't work, and when things go direct again who knows?

It actually makes sense, when T. Saturn went retrograde (backwards) you did too. I never pay much attention to retrogrades to see if they have an impact.I'm curious tp see if you'll be back when they'll go direct.

i've heard saturn in the 2nd house isn't too bad for building stability and **** post saturn return and can lead to something more lasting so there's that at least [/b]

The only one I know with this placement old enough is an 65-70 yo old woman.She has been on the poor side even though she's been working super hard since young but I don't remember her Saturn's aspects.

i think it's interesting how jupiter has made you money hungry and not feel like you have enough whereas saturn has made me feel like i don't need much to work with and i don't care much either

Although I know I can live with minimum too it just makes life miserable for me.

i just look at money like a tool of control that people tend to spend so much time acquiring only to get unnecessary pointless things that leave them craving more when half the stuff they do buy is unnecessary and actual effort would cost less and be more fulfilling

I agree with the first half but I disagree with the second part. Working is easier than puting the actual effort. Doing something that ypy don't hate and hetting paid for it is the best and easiest way. Doing everything by yourself is more time and/or energy consuming.

edit: the more i get to know her as a friend the less i can imagine actually wanting a relationship with her again though

i'd **** her but eh

Wait For whom are you talking?
EDIT: Your fiance? I mean I thought you already known her as a friend. But you probably mean that this distance made you realised that you want her as a friend with whom you'll have sex but not as girlfriend?

posted July 30, 2019 04:20 AM            

so it's projection on your part then? it not being deep enough

i find it interesting how many people with heavy pluto have a tendency to really project their deep emotions onto other people and sort of play that out rather than entirely see the other person in the equation

my ex was like that, and i tend to find a lot of pluto heavy people (i think maybe i'm going to try to avoid that lol in the future with people i **** around with as far as astrological dealbreakers go... too many pluto contacts particularly in synastry is something i'm thinking i'll pass up as much as i generally go for that kind of thing because i have something wrong with me i guess) and it seems to be a pattern

i think at this point i'd rather be addicted to heroin again than have a kid with her lol don't get me wrong i have love for her, but that sounds like more of a dramatic trainwreck than something i'd want to deal with

maybe if she goes through a bunch of **** and gets some mental help i'd feel differently

i care about her, deeply, don't get me wrong, but that's not something i even kind of want to deal with

i'll play around with ideas like that with her when they come up, but the current reality is when i actually reflect on them so much would need to happen for me to want that rather than it just being passing ideas

i find plants interesting because of things like evidence of them dreaming and having certain levels of consciousness etc i like the feeling they give off too and i ******* love flowers lol among other things

winter makes me depressed as **** aside from evergreens and needing houseplants, i've noticed it improves my mental state to be around them

i ******* talk to my plants and **** i'm like "hey you're looking good, i like your leaves" lol

even as a kid i really liked them, and like i said i like wandering around and learning about local **** too

they have so many uses recreational, medicinal, knowing what you can and can't consume etc and so on

i also hang out with wild animals, i have deer friends we chill they just started coming up to me one year (there's some significant meditation/occult experiences tied to that long story) and have ever since

never would've guessed that'd ever be a thing for me because i'm from nyc and that's where i spent most of my life, but yeah i garden and i hang out with deer and chipmunks and **** now

it's really funny to me that it surprises you, guess i'm not entirely predictable lol

i don't mind doing laundry, mostly because i'm not the sort of person who bothers folding and sorting or any of that **** i'm lazy about it

i can be lazy about cooking for myself, to a point where i just won't eat if i'm really not up to it, but if i'm cooking for other people or my birds i'm cool with that

i see freedom like: are there laws? yes? then no freedom

any obligations or things that need to be considered or just life in general comes with this inability to truly be free

so i think it's interesting that you equate freedom more to finances than just general things that even money doesn't get rid of

i'm not a big fan of awkwardness, i prefer to not have to deal with it

i miss her in some ways and i don't in others

i miss talking to her and hanging out with her and getting laid daily, but i currently don't miss living with her, being in a relationship with her and dealing with her ****

i miss who she was a couple years ago before whatever **** happened that she became this person, i miss the person i grew up with and i feel like that person's been dead a while and i don't like the person in her shell too much and haven't

it's complicated, i have a lot of mixed feelings most of them just go back to being thankful for distance and hoping she gets some kind of help at some point because she's a ******* trainwreck and being with her frequently turns into the equivalent of trying to fix a sinking ship while someone walks around behind you making more holes

she's honestly only getting worse with every passing year and i worry about her but i don't want to be there either

i'll entertain the idea just because we were together for so long, but i don't like who she is currently i just have love for her because i've known her 20 years and shared a lot of my life with her

she's got no sense just runs on sheer emotion though (earth void thing?) and is so selfish and destructive at this point that she'll tear herself down and anyone near her too

i keep in touch with her to make sure she's alright enough (she's been on/off telling me about severe depression then denying it and telling me everything is fine if i ask her about it etc) and i'm alright with spending a couple hours with her here and there but that's the extent of it

she goes through these mood swings and just all kinds of crazy **** to a point where there isn't any safety it's just a roller coaster and i wouldn't really say there was entirely any familiarity either because she may as well be a different person with every up and down

if she got help and made an effort to actually better herself i'd be more open to her, but she's the kind of person who needs to hit rock bottom to do anything (if she ever does) and she needs to on her own

i've been paying attention to transits in general for the past few years, getting better at working them out for myself at least

that particular retrograde definitely set things backwards, and yeah when it goes direct again that should be interesting to watch just to see if the first part of it back in january is tied directly to it

but honestly if she's unwilling to do anything constructive then i'm not interested

i can't really say i've been working super hard so idk i only have it square my sun, that's all saturn does in my chart well that and conjunct juno

i just adjust to whatever i have and deal with it

i hate doing anything that gets to be a routine after a while especially dealing with other people's schedules and things like that, and i've yet to find anything i enjoy doing where receiving money for it factors into the equation

i meant knowing her as a friend without the romantic attachment and the ******** that comes with it, i haven't known her like that in a long time i was dating her almost half my life

yeah i'd currently probably still have sex with her because she's pretty and we can have fun together but no i wouldn't date her again right now

it would only be a friends with benefits thing, anything more serious than that would just be setting myself up for a bunch of ******** i'd rather avoid and honestly probably make her less likely to seek help in the long run

it's complicated, but yeah i don't like her enough to date her currently in spite of loving her

posted August 04, 2019 11:12 AM              

As a Virgo myself I have felt that temptation I won't lie. I think it comes from a natural attention to details and insecurity. For example I feel very awkward in social settings (all sorts of reason) and I probably have had moments when younger (teenager, early 20's at best, never after, I feel I socially "found" myself when I started to work full time) when I imitated people's gestures or ways of putting things in an attempt to comply socially, but it was always about hiding my personality to protect it rather than forging it, and if it taught me anything it's that I'd rather be awkward than carry the burden of coming off as someone I'm not.
You mentioned perfume Plut0nian2? That made me smile, I remember a girl my boy crush was SO into (was a teen) and he had said he liked her perfume and for a while there I'm pretty sure the most desperate part of myself was tempted to wear the same.... til I realised I didn't even like the perfume, I had no idea how it would smell on ME and I didn't want to compete for a boy's affection (probably my Leo Venus went "***** is you water yourself down for anyone I'm leaving and taking the sun with me). It turns out this Virgo just can't be arsed, my 1st house sun is all about being myself, this is my accomplishment, being exactly who I want to be, holding myself to my own standards and other people's opinions are quite irrelevant in that context. As far as relationships go, it's hard enough being loved for who you truly are, what a dangerous waste of time and emotions to pose as someone you're not.

@teasel Feeling you, that poly fad hurt me too. All sexual trends do really, it should be private, intimate, if people want to treat it like a casual, multi people thing, fine, just do not expect of me to be like that, it simply isn't what I am. My body, my sensations, my truth.