posted August 04, 2019 01:18 PM            

people like that are always strange, maybe it's got to do with the mutable nature then?

my chart is more heavily cardinal energy and there's a lot of uranus aspects and fire in it which might be why i can't relate

if i'm uncomfortable in a situation i tend to stay quiet and observe rather than mimic

i feel like i lack the virgo attention to detail though, so there's that too

agreed on it being a waste of time to pose as someone you're not

there's belonging (which implies it's mutual) and then ownership which usually means you aren't your own person and they have full control over you

like you said, really thin line but makes all the difference

i just literally don't do enough though, i don't think it's just a feeling it's just a tendency to drift and lack focus

posted August 04, 2019 01:42 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Moonbeth:
.

---

"I discovered a band that wasn't even known in our country yet and had a favourite song, it would become hers and later when the band finally came to our place and the song was on the radio everyone smiled at her like "awww, it's your song"!,"

posted August 04, 2019 03:41 PM              

I don't know, I have more cardinal energy and fire to my chart too but how I feel is mutable earth, I look at my Leo rising and Venus sometimes and go "right! whatever", because I feel my 1st house sun is the tea of me.
I'd say the mutable energy is more about adaptation and adapting is a two way street, mimicking is like tracing, I think it's more of a water thing, to look different than what you are, to reflect, than a mutable one, which is essentially to adapt what you are to another context.
I think here the Virgoan abilities for definition fuelled the Cancer's wish for merge. Pisces having both mutable and water energies would then be exactly why they're the greatest chameleon
But I do feel an immature mutable would be a full on copy-cat, I'd consider that the shadow of the axis, you're probably right.

I'm a regular kitten in uncomfortable situations, hide under the furniture and stare, but I was referring to specific things such as having to speak in public in school and trying to do what others had done before to get away with it (articulating, smiling...), but honestly as I've said with me it so swiftly turned to trouble shooting and trying to pull something that bore the lessons of others' actions instead of trying to reproduce them, that to me is vintage Virgo energy, which is why as much as I admit our facility for that copy cat thing I think the actual will/need to do it comes from elsewhere. The Virgo's art is her own person, why would she copy?

You do come out as more fire and I can't imagine any fire sign copying, probably because fire does and figures out what works by doing instead of endlessly benchmarking before taking the first plunge
That would also decidedly accounts for you missing the attention to details thing as your focus could be on the result and efficiency more than the process, I am not necessarily great at it either, but I get complimented for it quite regularly so I imagine my standard is up to par with the notorious trait (I think my Libra mercury is happy if things look pretty as a whole so it sometimes takes a second look to notice the crooked teeth lol)

Decidedly, hard and long enough to be oneself

Absolutely, what I was implying was that yearning for belonging tragically attracts people who want to own you and, well, there goes their disillusions ^^

I think like you, that I honestly don't do enough and it overpowers anyone telling me the opposite because I know what I do and it's just not enough, I self loathe quite regularly for being lazy. Especially mentally so, I tend to "blame" Saturn in my 3rd for that mental constipation but then again, I love defending Saturn so I do blame myself. It's not even that I don't want to pull the heavy work, it's just that I feel so deeply thick so often, for so long, on so many subjects, it's difficult to power through long enough, I usually go bankrupt before my brain has its big break sort of.
I do drift and can lack focus, but not with everything, it seems to respond to other things in me (mostly my chronic illness). I hope those are the transits for you

@kani

Thank you! When I say you feel me! lol I was fuming, make no mistake, it happened years later with a university friend, I offered to make a salad dressing as a whole group of us were dining at her place and she opposed so fiercely I had to actually go shop for the ingredients (she had everything but refused I used it, even if others were interested) and then everyone loved the dressing, including her (which: of course, I'm insecure as **** , I wouldn't insist unless I knew 100% it would work, also it wasn't my recipe but my mum's, always easier to defend s/o else's something). She didn't apologise or anything, which I didn't care about, but 4 months later I go to her place to see her sister who I was practising with and she's having lunch with her friends and they all compliment her on HER very original dressing recipe. That was the day I knew my mars in Scorpio on a tight leash lol My eyes literally killed her. Happened with a number of other things too, she was a ******* something -path though, all Sagittarius (Sun, , rising, Venus and mercury, can't remember the moon), a walking shadow of the mutable energy, if she heard someone had an abusive father, her father was an abuser, if she interacted with someone close to their dad's, hers would be her world...
What I find the worst about this is that being original is often punished in our society. You get marginalised, labelled... those people add insult to injury by stealing what you earned with sweat and blood (or just experience ) in your soul just to look cool, it's very much gross.

posted August 04, 2019 04:53 PM            

another virgo chronic health issues same and i know another whose birthday is a few day from mine

my transits are intense i have pluto retrograding over my ic squaring my ascendant/venus and moon/descendant and my 7th house north node 1st house south node

and saturn is doing the same and about to retrograde back to my mars (which is loosely conjunct my ic) and they already hit most of that **** once and then over again with the retrograde and then heading for a 3rd time when they go direct again should be fun

first house sun probably makes it strong, i have a lot of trouble fully identifying with my sun but it's also 0 degrees, square saturn, trine neptune and sextile pluto and my libra ascendant is pretty strong having venus conjunct

fair point about the adaptation vs mimicry thing i have almost no water my chart, do you have any that makes you feel that way? since you've had those experiences or do you think it was just more subtle due to it being solely mutable energy related?

i was just kind of a loud mouth ******* in school lol to begin with i never looked at anyone and was in constant trouble

i used to enjoy making teachers cry and **** like that, had classmates tell me about how teachers blamed me for issues they had during parent teacher meetings and **** like that

i got escorted to the principal's office of my 3rd high school because the teacher insisted that i was making all of the other students act out like i had some kind of control over them lol

the copy thing didn't seem entirely virgo to me either but i did know one who was like that so maybe it has to do with where the other planets might fall as a result of having sun in virgo

and yeah i just do things and if i **** it up then i'll do something else and if i **** that up then repeat until i don't

i'm too impulsive to pay attention to details if i'm going to do something i want to just do it and learn as i go, i find details tedious and dwelling on them makes me frustrated and feel like i could just be doing something instead

my 3rd has uranus (sag), neptune (cap), and mars (cap) in it i'm a scattered mess a lot of the time in all honesty

i need a lot of pressure to function it feels like sometimes, otherwise i aimlessly wander and i ******* hate that about myself it's frustrating

posted August 04, 2019 08:00 PM              

I am not great with transits but I think retrogrades aren't that bad unless to try to go against them. It's like the current, or, well, you're a bloke, it's like if you try to **** against the wind? Well; but turn your back on it and it can help keep your shoes clean

I think Saturn can be anticipated, if you did the work before, Saturn is like an inspection, it marks you and leaves, if you've been sloppy, he hits you hard. As for Pluto, I don't know, I sort of consider myself in a constant crisis with my Pluto square moon, I sort of love the energy as I feel the bad aspects are things I have made peace with.

But when I have a transit I can't use, like I recently I had a Uranus thingee and it was restless and it was horrible because the energy didn't suit my life at all at the moment, so I just found an outlet for the energy (physical one actually) and shame, but I can only hope it shows up again at some point when I can actually use it instead of having to just handle it..

I'm a venus conjunct asc too! but more about that paragraph of yours below...

Bollocks! you were one little **** weren't you?! lol I went through so many phases, I was hardcore bullied so I tried every attitude I could think of to find one that wouldn't trigger aggressions and the rest of the time I was so, so lonely and alone, not talking to anyone. I did love learning, it helped keeping my spirits up, after all, I was in school for that, breaks were tough, but teaching hours were longer.

Haha, you were a tiny guru! Capricorn mars can be bossy and with an Aries moon I do not doubt that you did somehow control the masses I was beaten up in school and mostly saw the nurse! lol except that one time in high school where I got expelled for fighting (they were 3 against me, I wasn't just going to take the kicks lying down like a ***** you know?)

Yep, I instantly recognised the copying ability but also felt "nope, not us" lol but yep, probably a combo, but I see why Virgo would feel insecure enough to indulge.
I do have water but it's mars in Scorpio, not very mimicking, more of obsessed with integrity and diving deeper so... if I had to blame a part of my chart for having been tempted at some point to imitate to fit in, I'd turn to my Leo asc conjunct Venus because it was the attention I attracted that made me feel I owed people to be pleasant and try to get there before I was old enough to develop proper social skills (also the bullying distorted my relationship to my peers), then Virgo sun probably came up with a plan lol but really in my specific case we're talking primary school here so I don't know if I'm very relevant beyond "vaguely relating to the situation". The friend I had who lived by it was a Cancer sun, mercury, Virgo Asc, Pisces moon and mars.

Repeating the same action expecting a different result is a definition for madness, you know that? lol (Join the club, my mars makes me quite persistent ^^)

That's exactly what I meant about you missing details; spoken like a proper Aries moon, I think it's the key. To be fair, I do love my Virgo sun and I do think the 1st house makes it massive (though it often feels like a nerd on Broadway Like in the Buffy episode where shy introvert Willow has a nightmare about being on stage and not knowing her lines ) but I feel my identity is my Virgo sun, Capricorn moon and mars in Scorpio. Those are the 3 planets/signs I identify with the most and I adore my moon as well, so having earth in those 2 critical corners help in connecting with the energy of the sign, while Virgo/Aries is great for outer team work but as far as inner and emotions go, it's not the easiest channel, could be why you more of switch from one energy to the other instead of having them work cooperatively.

Awww, I hear that, I've read a bunch of your comments, you do make me feel such compassion for your states sometimes but you also make me feel good by really being you and that gives me hope that you feeling scattered is just you being dizzy from your own magnitude because you actually manage to be concise (something I epically fail at) while covering quite different spheres/tones with fluidity and lots of emotions. Your comments are warm, funny, very much alive and also structured in terms of arguments even when you say you're high, so, you're good I guess? lol

I feel you, I hate pressure, but I also have to say I didn't do a single uni assignment earlier than the night before it was due and I do hate it too because it's self sabotaging, I put myself in a position where I can never express my work to its fullest. SO frustrating. I am very slowly growing from that but I think it's only cause age makes me dafter and so last minute is becoming last hours (time for those synapses to connect lol)

posted August 04, 2019 09:48 PM            

yeah i wasn't even going with that one i have a **** ton wrong aside from my stomach hating me lol

we have a lot conjunct in our charts makes sense why you're easy to talk to

i'm not one to try to against life or fate, i've had way too many experiences that have proven to me there's absolutely no point in trying

i've studied the occult for years because of that sort of thing and so far everything just keeps going in the same direction regardless of what i do

it's somewhere between exciting and terrifying, exciting to see things fall into place properly and then terrifying because it's indicative of a lot of crazy **** if that's how it all keeps going

there's a long story there (my discord tag is actually right under my username if you have that and wanted to talk)

saturn inspecting me with the retrograde has definitely been worse than it going direct same with pluto i can't wait til they just hit all my **** direct and get on with their final lessons because i'm already over doing this retrograde **** lol

pluto **** can be good once you've made peace and dealt with it, i don't normally have issues with pluto but this summer has been intense with all the **** with my ex fiancee and whatnot

even not being here she's still difficult lol

i know i'll be fine, especially if all those death predictions i got going on (they all match) are true then i don't have anything to worry about right now

i imagine the pluto-moon square was a ***** before you learned how to work with it though, i had a friend with benefits who had the conjunction and he was really bad with handling his emotions and even really showing them except in weird outbursts

he had a lot of aquarius and the conjunction was in sag

that must've been annoying not being able to act on a uranus transit, usually uranus for me is pretty decent and if it ever hasn't been i've probably blamed something else

i was definitely a little **** as a kid, all through school

i did have issues with people though just from being bi and whatnot and the few years i was stuck in catholic school (my parents thought it would keep me out of trouble somehow) were just a ******* nightmare with that **** and then not believing in the bible made that worse

12 years old having an entire classroom of people plus your teachers and priests and **** all like "this one is a problem" while they tried to shove that **** down my throat, good times

that's rough though i'm sorry you went through that, makes sense why you tried so many things like that

i think it was my lack of fear of consequences that made other people feel comfortable being disobedient i guess, because the teachers would ultimately only blame me in a lot of cases (there were teachers i did get along with who liked me and found me funny though don't get me wrong i didn't make them all cry, i did make one quit after his first year of teaching he spoke to me at the end about it, we got along when i wasn't ******* with him) so they had nothing to worry about

i just never felt like anything they could do was bad enough for me to care, my home life was so bad that and they legally couldn't do anything worse than what i'd deal with there so i had fun with it

i went back to my 3rd high school years later to pick my transcript and the principal and janitor both asked if i was there to sit in my old chair outside of the principal's office

i was only there for 2 years, my principal from my first high school remembered me well too ran into him years later

i got into a lot of fights in elementary school never had to go to the nurse though, past that no one really ****** with me, i think being loud and people finding me entertaining helped with that on some level where even if someone was going to talk **** they didn't push it too far

mars in scorpio is intense, i hooked up with one and dated another idk me and scorpio placements i just really ******* like them and pluto aspects, that **** draws me in

i think it's my low water and then they just have all of the feelings a person could possibly have and take you along for the ride

that's a lot of water in your friends' chart, i had a cancer sun friend and she tended to put on shows around other people

she was cool as **** if you were alone with her though, but in front of different people she was always on and would get a little uptight

i think it's a matter of guarding themselves

i have a hard time really feeling my cap energy too, i'm sure it all comes across on some level but i think my earth placements get pretty overshadowed for the most part

i'm not good with feelings lol i just tell myself they're stupid and will pass if i don't like them rather than really knowing what to do with them

they always pass though, i think having the uranus and mercury aspects on my moon really ******* help i'm grateful for those

thanks, i've had a lot of practice being high lol actually i've had a lot of people in my life compliment me on my ability to handle massive amounts of drugs and alcohol and be able to hold my **** together

it's one of my talents

i actually don't hate pressure, it puts me in this really clear headspace where i can be a completely different person

when **** gets real that's when i tend to be pretty calm and just capable of figuring **** out and moving forward

i'm the sort of person who kind of needs pressure i think, when **** 's on the line that's when i can find it in me to do more

i dropped out of college twice first time was just because i was a terrible student and the second had to do with a bad living situation

last time i wrote a college paper was more recently though and it wasn't mine lol i was helping that friend with benefits i mentioned with his philosophy class

got shitfaced, wrote a bunch of ******** about books i never read in like an hour and he got an a

i didn't really do school work when i was in school, i think i stopped doing that around i guess 5th grade i just let everything ride on tests and that went well

i think uranus is probably what really does it then along with your age i suppose, it's interesting how much part of a chart can be offset by other things

posted August 05, 2019 04:35 AM            

quote:

---

@kani

Thank you! When I say you feel me! lol I was fuming, make no mistake, it happened years later with a university friend, I offered to make a salad dressing as a whole group of us were dining at her place and she opposed so fiercely I had to actually go shop for the ingredients (she had everything but refused I used it, even if others were interested) and then everyone loved the dressing, including her (which: of course, I'm insecure as **** , I wouldn't insist unless I knew 100% it would work, also it wasn't my recipe but my mum's, always easier to defend s/o else's something). She didn't apologise or anything, which I didn't care about, but 4 months later I go to her place to see her sister who I was practising with and she's having lunch with her friends and they all compliment her on HER very original dressing recipe. That was the day I knew my mars in Scorpio on a tight leash lol My eyes literally killed her. Happened with a number of other things too, she was a ******* something -path though, all Sagittarius (Sun, , rising, Venus and mercury, can't remember the moon), a walking shadow of the mutable energy, if she heard someone had an abusive father, her father was an abuser, if she interacted with someone close to their dad's, hers would be her world...
What I find the worst about this is that being original is often punished in our society. You get marginalised, labelled... those people add insult to injury by stealing what you earned with sweat and blood (or just experience ) in your soul just to look cool, it's very much gross.

Imitation is flattery or something, right? A little of it, or indeed added to an actual personality can be lovely, like when two siblings react the same way or an elderly couples tilt their heads in the same manner, or more casually when someone genuinely adopts the accent of the country they reside in on some words. It all lies in the difference between sincere imitation and reckless copy, same goes for artists with influences and tailored copies of successful pop acts.[/B]

---

I don't understand people like your former friend at all. I'd always make sure - if I ever use someone else's recipe for instance (never happened but hypothetically) - and everyone likes the outcome - that the person I had that recipe or the idea from gets credited for it. Especially if they are around! I don't want to take credit for other'S achievements. It feels yucky.

And agree on the rest you said as well.

Talking about people copying true artists - big popstars actually have been found guilty of copying lesser known musicians all the time because the think they can get away with it. So sickening. The same happened with illustrators and big retail corporations. The companies like Zara (you have that in the UK as well don't you?) scroll though instagram apparently and just steal what creations they like and use them for their prints. Of course without crediting and paying the actual artist.
The Kardashian/Jenner clan (I detest them but they are famous for some really wrong reason) did that as well with their make up packaging. So yeah annoying af!

posted August 05, 2019 02:50 PM              

True! I meant from a pure copy cat point of view, but in terms of plain theft, so many artists are ripped off by bigger acts, it's disgusting.
Zara are everywhere lol The Kardashite are everything that's wrong with our world.
Yes, sometimes you pick things from the people you love, it's just love

@Dumuzi
My point exactly, when some people tell me they have a big case of IBS I know they're not Virgos, it's just Tuesday to us lol
Conjunction and friendly elements too, that's cool.
I don't believe in fate, more like strictly karma, produce shite, have to deal with shite, but always a chance to make it up, I don't see transits as either though, just like "the vibe", no point in going against it either, just had to be clarifying picky on this somehow Anyway, there's something between using all this insight from studying and therapy and what not to witness this immense context of ours and passively wait for "what's likely" to happen, unfolding before our eyes like the finest tragedy, and using it to take a step back and try to find shelter from the storm. I don't believe we can always overcome all of our odds, but I don't believe we're cursed either.
I can do long stories but I don't have discord, I'm old, I'll update my profile with an email, so if you feel like it
haha, I imagine working backwards is tedious, though I really think the way to handle any Saturn or Pluto is to anticipate and tackle their themes *before* they show up in a transit, otherwise they won't give you any lesson so much as they will make you pay for messing up.

Your ex fiancee is not physically there but she's decidedly there, these things take time, so much so, it's not even happened yet, maybe the situation changes again after those transits (calling off an engagement sounds like Saturn retrograde, doesn't it?, does she have it too?). I have to believe Pluto can be redeemed, otherwise might as well off myself, but that doesn't mean having a Pluto break-up will be easy. Self care is a thing, waiting for it to pass can be done while taking care of yourself
If you keep on binging with the uber thought that death is quickly coming for you, it just might, remember? karma. You reap what you saw. Ever tried doing Virgo things? I swear a healthy diet (not just food, also sleep patterns...) goes a long way for us, I'm not saying it's going to alter your karma or change your life, but it certainly keeps you busy and could connect you to your Sun.

Honestly, I think I've always been fine with my emotions lol I was repressing the literal hell out of them as a child (cappy moon) and once they got out, what I had to learn to manage was others. I only had to learn that everything I express emotions wise, verbally or not, is amplified for most people so I water it down and also my emotions now actually have a weird watered down version of themselves for the outside world. It's very isolating in terms of people end up bonding with me who have no idea how I really feel because they feel something intense and to me it's shallow, but out of that, I don't know, I like it, ok? lol I love having powerful tides going through my body, I love crying the cathartic shite out of my face watching the telly and feeling the music in my bones, I love falling in love only once every 2 decades but feeling the whole earth vibrate in unison with my soul when it happens. The difficulty isn't handling my emotions, is finding "like-felt" soul mates.
But then again, it's a Capricorn moon in happy 5th house, I believe it helps a lot in finding the calm and sunny side. I imagine a fire moon would make more damage.

I find Uranus terrible anyway, it wrecks my 4th house, not being able to act on its transit almost felt good in terms of "up yours biatch!" lol

Funny how religion seems to shape us all whether we like it or not. You either go by it or are forced into it, rebel against it, are victimised by the people who go by it...
People banding against you is awful. Persecution questions our very core, I still haven't recovered from some of it, taught me to enjoy my own company lots ^^.

That's an explanation I cannot relate to, I always felt so responsible for my own actions, I would have followed no scapegoat.
This is terrible adults blaming children, come the bloody hell on! Sure children can be a handful but as a teacher your job is to watch over them, it's a job, you need to be able to handle those ego questions, you can't unleash them on unformed psyches or let them get to you in such personal ways.

My home life was so bad too, and it was common in the neighbourhood, though mine was different bad, I knew a lot of kids who felt like you, how can you be impressed by detention when home has belts and food deprivation?

Kids hated me. I ran into one of the instructor of the after school club I went to when I was in my mid-twenties, he was still shocked by the pure hatred I got from my peers. He couldn't explain it.

I was loud, as much as I was abused, love was always my key, if I didn't love the people who abused me or depended on them then I would stand up to them and even as I was broken by their words, I would always fight back. It only made things worse, retaliation was a sport where I grew up, once a teacher even had to call my parents to come and pick me up as the school was circled with older siblings or my classmates, waiting for me with bats. Surreal stuff. Twas another time, bullying wasn't even a thing then, I just got told over and over again I had to play nice and turn it around. I cannot count the time I got detention and what not for insulting someone who had actually hit me.

"mars in scorpio is intense, i hooked up with one and dated another idk me and scorpio placements i just really ******* like them and pluto aspects, that **** draws me in"
Preaching to the choir, I love Pluto, it breaks my heart when people speak of jealousy and obsession because I honestly think it's not that bad, possessiveness can be binding and healthy, it has to be mutual and enlightened by trust. If you trust, there is no jealousy, sure you will always dislike seeing your partner smile to others but it won't make you angry and you won't violate their phone or their head, you will find grace in letting go of the idea of controlling them to the benefit of the trust that they won't betray you because you've given yourselves to each other in a mutual and fair way.
I don't know what in your chart does that, but you seem to understand dark impulses and be upfront about them, that's reassuring to scorpio energy because it's a lot how it operates, so I imagine it makes sense for you to associate.
We long for a partner to take along for the ride, we're excessively individual but not selfish. I love it, it's tremendously hard to find someone it really clicks with but when you do it's a fabulous mars for intimacy.

I just think cancer energy can be highly toxic lol I guard myself from it is how it goes now.

"i have a hard time really feeling my cap energy too" no you don't Mr steady sex drive lol there's more than horny goat to it, but I'm pretty sure keeping a cold head under pressure and being able then to do **** is very much your Capricorn. I hate work-and-social pressure, but am great in emotional crises; people want me around in hospitals and during break-ups.
But yup, I do feel fire overshadows earth easily, If felt that way when I was a child, I was all about my Leo, but once I realise it was stifling my earth and she was the one keeping me alive, it created a bond, never let go since. Love my earth (and dark water).

I always define feelings as emotions your brains has validated, so you then wouldn't allow yourself to have them, and yup emotions are "discardable" to some extent, feelings not so much, because you've committed to them. That said I think feelings are meant to be expressed. As a Virgo I'd say doing that can range from talking to someone close, to the trigger of the feelings, to dancing, painting... If it's a person you care about, the romantic Leo in me says "talk and conquer" but if it's your boss or a whole institution making you feeling oppressed for example, in my case the physical expression is better to evacuate negative feelings and emotions.

I don't know, well, honestly I hope not lol I am terrified by this image of Uranus taking love away on a whim. I'd rather see it as Uranus wants change that you had decided before, it just makes you restless and hungry for the things you already want, it feels new when it was repressed, but it's not in itself, the way to go about it is.
I think feelings pass though, but it's a decision, the Uranus and mercury aspect on your moon probably make it easy to make the decision.

Sadly I think the reason tolerance to drugs is admired in this world is because some of us know too well it never lasts and when drug hits it's only ugly. I've had so many addicts around me, it's hard to discard that potential in all of us, but when it takes its "purest" form I'm always torn between worry and also hope, because I sometimes feel that my way of blocking that entirely is theoretically as unhealthy as over -indulging.

I think your brilliant mind deserves a strong college degree, it's an arsehole world, we don't want them holes to win just because they comply with academics better, if you have the opportunity, go make yourself "official" and slay. Also, if you get to tap into your virgo, she'll LOVE it.

"wrote a bunch of ******** about books i never read in like an hour and he got an a"
Sounds like such a thing I'd do! lol

O I never did any school work, perfectly unable to, only the mandatory assignments for exam passing. Still hate myself for that, it's just there are too many unicorns on my mind when I'm alone, I can't study and do exercises when I have a fantasy world to explore. I'm hardworking and focused during a class though, I like to make it count.

posted August 05, 2019 05:25 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Moonbeth:

@Dumuzi
Sure, there are charts and I do believe in them, but there's also life and what you do with it and I don't think a chart can help with all of it. After all, a chart doesn't reveal someone's skin colour, yet in our racist world, this implies a ton of things for a person and can come to greatly colour (no pun intended) their aspects by throwing life challenges and ensuing attitudes the stars can't keep track of. But yes, I'm old lol

---

funny that you say that i'm always telling people when they ask me about something that's going on that it's just like tuesday for me while they're looking at me like "how do you function?" and saying funny **** like "hope you feel better" people have a really hard time grasping the idea that there isn't really a better

i didn't believe in fate in the past, but i've had too many experiences that suggest otherwise

autowriting that's come true, divination etc it's been through the occult that those views have been shaped and not really by choice i've sort of been forced into a situation where i had to dig and learn like i said it's a really long story i'll tell you some time when you put your email in your profile

i think a lot of the ideas attached to karma are about keeping people afraid of doing "negative" things but don't necessarily hold a basis in reality, the rest is just cause and effect

that view is part of the long story too, it's complicated

i think some people are likely more bound to fate than others which is where the differing views come in

i don't spend my time thinking about what's going to happen and dealing with it beforehand, i'm more the worry about it when it's in front of me type

which is probably why saturn ***** me so hard lol

it definitely feels like retrograde **** because when things hit direct we were talking about heavier more serious **** that fell apart with the retroograde so who knows? though i'm not sure how i feel about any of that at this point anyway, like i've said a lot would have to change for that to even be a thing

can't always cater to someone else's issues without them doing anything themselves to fix issues that they're struggling with on an internal level it's impossible

i don't think death is quickly coming for me at all, i'm just at peace with the idea, as a matter of fact drastic changes would need to be a thing for that death to even happen that's why i'm just like "guess i'll see"

funny enough i actually generally eat pretty healthy, meditate daily etc alongside my drug and alcohol binges

i'm bad with sleeping routines i've always had sleeping issues since i was a kid

i find feelings very inconvenient typically unless they're positive ones, and i'm not one for crying

it's actually really hard for me to and if i even get there it's an immediate reflex to stop, so i can get close and almost and then just push that down

i would get hit if i cried as a kid so it doesn't come naturally as an adult

i can't imagine enjoying it lol, but i've heard other people say it's cathartic so you're not alone in that i suppose

having an aries moon isn't too bad, i recover quickly from things so even if i feel something i'm able to get over it

me and uranus are on good terms, but i could see how having it 4th house is a *****

it's funny because my family pushed catholicism hard and now as an adult after years of being pushed by life deeper and deeper into occult **** i've found out through my mother that occult practices were a regular part of her childhood through her family and it was just hidden in catholicism and that the same went for my father's side

she just never opened up about any of it until recently even some of her own experiences (i knew about the **** she experienced while pregnant with me and some other **** like that but not the extent) so that's been interesting

and i mean like i was beaten if i didn't want to go to church on sundays, so every sunday without fail

i'm actually grateful for having experienced that **** as a kid while i was in school having that kind of pressure without bending to it taught me a lot about the necessity of sticking to your own morals regardless of what other people say even if there's more of them than you

i feel like it made me a stronger person so i'm comfortable with it

i agree with you i've always felt like if i do something it's on me and i feel the same about other people and their actions

my ex fiancee was the scapegoat type, she'd do something and then say "well i did this because you..." and i'd always stop her and say "no you did that because that's how you behave, i'm not taking responsibility for your behavior" which of course ****** her off but i don't do that ****

people need to be able to acknowledge where they're wrong and if they can't then they're stunted

better to be wrong than blind

and exactly that if you know you're getting hit at home and you know your teacher can't hit you they don't really have much power

abuse makes it really easy to not have that normal fear of authority

some people just draw that kind of attention, usually scorpio placements or strong pluto so i could see how your mars and moon-pluto square might've done it

it's that magnetism that comes with it

i know when people hate me they really ******* hate me lol

that's pretty ******* intense and insane, i'm sorry to hear that, christ i can't even imagine that

i used to be out of class for weeks at a time come back and have people i didn't know tell me they missed me because things were boring without me there (i skipped school a lot)

but yeah if that **** happened now you would've had a whole ******* anti-bullying campaign around you in some places, that's really ******

i've noticed frequently though when someone gets bullied to that extent they're always also abused and **** at home, like there's just that disconnect from people

i've heard saturn in the 3rd can sometimes indicate being bullied, guess that's true in your case

possessiveness can make me anxious, especially when it's a lot really fast, it hasn't bothered me with everyone though

i have pluto first house and sextile my sun which might be why, though i also have nessus conjunct sun (along with kaali and rudra and a bunch of other asteroids that i see people react poorly to in conversations lol) which might be why i'm understanding and comfortable with the darker side of a lot of things

though admittedly i find the bias and insistence that it makes someone abusive a little ridiculous because i'm not like that, though i've drawn in plenty of abusive and controlling manipulative people throughout my life

i understand how to manipulate people, i understand power games well and know i'm fully capable of pushing a person's weak spots etc because i can sense them and i understand that there's something in me where i can look at someone and know they're "prey" but it's not something i act on and i have no desire to go after individuals in that manner

i'm the sort of person who when i care about someone will go along for the ride through pretty much anything because i just see that as part of keeping those promises and that commitment

cancer energy can be but i've seen the good side of it too with my grandfather so it can really go either way

i'm not a fan of cancer mars typically i find them very grating with the things they choose to act out about and the ways they go about trying to control frivolous situations

the sex drive part yeah, it's more that when i don't have a focus i can't find it or self motivate typically and i find that endlessly frustrating about myself

it's interesting that you were able to embrace that part of you as you got older, i feel like i'm at a loss when it comes to properly channeling those sides of myself it's always just like whatever is going to come out does

interesting view on feelings, i suppose i never would've thought of it in that light, and i get what you're saying

it's something i feel like i need to think on

hard aspects with uranus seem to make whims an issue, the easier ones the restlessness is a little different and it helps with detachment

me and decisions don't necessarily work out if i have to think too much, the libra gets in the way

i think i've just been around a lot of heavy users so me not dying and how well i can hold my **** together surprises them

i know all about addiction though i was addicted to heroin at one point, not long and i got clean but that was an experience

lost someone really important to me to it too

i'm legit math retarded with severe problems when it comes to paying attention, i can't even imagine trying to get through school and finishing it

i used to just let my grades ride on end of the years tests because nyc there's these tests where you get 85 and above and you get full credit whether you passed the class or not and all related classes

so i'd fail the classes and get the credits anyway

i drove my teachers crazy because i used to tell them that's what i was going to do and that i didn't need to bother with anything else

a bad experience can sometimes be ultimately good in the retrospect with what you learn, so if the composite being ****** turns out to be true maybe there's more to it you just can't see yet

charts tell a lot, though yeah they don't necessarily show you those things but they might come out in other ways indicating difficulties in life or with peers etc

how old are you? i'm 32

posted August 06, 2019 01:46 PM              

"hope you feel better" is one of the reasons I sometimes go cold awkward on people when I return to work after a sick leave, it tears my flesh apart to hear this, and it keeps on regardless of many times you explain them (at their own bloody request at that) the concept of a chronic illness. People who do that and call themselves caring or empathic, just makes me bitterly laugh.

Apophenia. Maybe that Virgo sun on this earth moon are really grounded or that Libran Mercury cannot make a decision to save its life but every time I find myself believing in something my sense or sense cannot confirm, I fear apophenia. That's still how I feel about fate. Parts of me feel a pull and I decidedly see trends, but the idea that specific events, emotions in particular can be predicted somehow contradicts with my own experience too much. I often say I have some form of Cassandra syndrome regarding some events and to be fair, every time it happens I can usually trace the result to me heavily participating in the unfolding of the events, the only time fate shows itself to me is when I call it out on its bluff. If I accept it and do my own thing, usually it disappears, it's weird.
I think that's more religion's turf, karma really is more about owning your **** , it doesn't punish you for bad deeds so much as it gives you what they breed..
In reality the best example of karma is digestion, you **** what you eat. Very real lol

"i think some people are likely more bound to fate than others which is where the differing views come in"
This is interesting but it can still be summed to free will and awareness. If fate is a draw, if people can't take self-criticism and/or enjoy their circumstances, they never really try to direct it, become actors of their own destiny, then it just runs its course, unchallenged, while if people fight it, or are naturally endowed with a temper that doesn't comply with certain events the life throws at them (where fate and astrology fight each other, what when Uranus' rebellion runs into establishment? Astrology isn't kind to the point of making sure babies are born in the environment that suits their charts) then the possibilities become open, to a degree, but for example I find social status is one of the hardest thing to defeat and it has not much to do with astrology.

Haha, probably, I am a born worrier, that's how I survive so much, there are very little big life dramas I haven't seen coming and prepared myself to face.

Exactly, there are changing events and the process, and those 5 stages are not a huge bad idea, takes some time to really be out of the woods. Retrograde seems to me that it's a period changes that emphasizes the process.

"can't always cater to someone else's issues without them doing anything themselves to fix issues that they're struggling with on an internal level it's impossible"
See, that right there is you rejecting fate lol that person could argue there is nothing for them to do, that they're fated to remain unfixed.
I feel strangely about this, I share the sentiment, I can selfishly get very tired of others' issues because sometimes they feel so trivial to me, I wish I had those issues! It makes me feel bad about myself when it comes to that so I retire as gracefully as I can, people don't deserve their problems to be put in competition with others', but sometimes I can't help feeling this way, seeing unhappiness can send you back to your own.

I sort of envy that I guess, I'm more comfortable talking about suicide than death, I'm weird.

Makes sense to me, but sleeping is critical, without it a lot can go down the drain. I had terrible issues as a child and as an adult I have bad phases but I've been fortunate to find a good cycle at some point and I have this golden state to go back to, good sleep is bliss, it can do SO much for everything.

Feelings to me are how we forge our own identity, the emotions we reject and those we keep in to nurture and turn into feelings, they're a bit like opinions, but sensory, real, tangible ones. They're important. I never cried until I was 25 I think, I felt like you as a child. I also have illness related hormonal issues that make me cry like a ***** but aside from that, I feel crying is nothing specific. People make too big a deal of it, it doesn't mean so much, it's just crying, it releases sure, but so does laughter or yelling, god I wish I could yell sometimes, you know like those primal cry therapy things from the 70's, you just scream and make you body vibrate and release **** , sounds so liberating lol
I think if I had been hit as a child for crying, I'd spend all my adult days crying, I can be vengeful like that
I don't particularly enjoy it but I do like that it's not this thing I can't do anymore.

I recover too but it takes time, I feel the only times I don't recover are when I don't want to.

See, that's typical, I think a 4th Uranus isn't bad in itself, I could have had a glorious nomadic childhood, it got nasty because of the abuse and troubles, on paper, looking at my chart, I don't think it fated anything for me. Life picked at it the wrong way.

There's no difference in there for me: religion, wizardry, occult.... it's belief systems meant to assert the idea of fate and free us from a lot of choices, I think human beings hate making decisions. I am interested in a lot of things but swear by none. I love the middle.
But I had something similar with parents, they brought me up in the idea that they were atheists when in fact they believe in so much. I don't what they believe in, my father will basically quote any religion as long as it justifies his actions lol but somehow he needs that validation.

A childhood friend of mine was a jehova's witness and her father would brutalise her if she didn't want to go to the meetings on Sundays, her parents would always dress her up with those pretty girly clothes so she'd always make a scene once dressed up because she always said he'd never damage the clothes by hurting her while wearing them and getting her to change would waste too much time.

I feel I had enough integrity that I didn't need to be abused, witness it and be confronted to so much violence, I can't think of a single beating, humiliation, threat... that I am thankful for or feel it made stronger, it's just not the way I operate. It made weaker, distrustful, anxious, self-sabotaging, the only potential good it might have brought is that it made my empathy grew exponentially because I reached a point where I thought so little of myself the only way I found to avoid suicide was to help others.
If anything it is having those values that got me into more troubles with my peers.

Exactly, agree 100% When I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong, it should never be a big deal. Lying to yourself is the worst, I want the truth, even if it's hard.

True, abuse enables you to call authority out on its BS and even attack it if need be, what sucks is it gives an aura and when employers sense that they don't keep you on the team too long lol Abuse is the pain that keeps on hurting.

that wasn't the worst, I have so many childhood stories that I can tell as jokes because I legit wired my brain to see them that way, but when I look at the facts, it hurts so much because I understand the intensity of the violence directed at me. I always feel awkward when people bring up their childhood stories because I can't think of any that isn't really disturbing, it takes real effort and usually some pimping for a story to be socially ok.

It's logical, no non-abusive parent would allow their child to suffer so much, to reach that extent it takes tremendous support (usually only tacit) from the adults around, that's what hurts the most, that's what destroys trust and alienates you from society.
So of course abuse from peers is paired with abuse at home, told you, the pain that keeps on hurting.

I can see why a 3rd house Saturn could go with mental abuse, but then again it'd sound more like "social persecutions" I imagine the puritans having a bullying effect of 3rd house Saturn, not me lol

To me true possessiveness can't be so fast, it progresses with your knowledge of the person, I have had a couple of men being VERY possessive of me very fast and I exploded. It wasn't possessiveness to me, just full blown insecurity, I felt they didn't even see me, I was a blank screen they projected their stuff on.

lol Nessus conjunct sun is the astrological equivalent to being put on the local list of sex offenders when you come into a new town lol Again, when fate looks like that, I refuse to believe it without serious questions. So you have Nessus conjunct sun, boohoo big abuser. I think what people fail to read (but this is insanely arseholish of me to say considering my lack of astrological knowledge, so take it with a big grain of salt) is the fact that good and bad aspects in a chart don't necessarily oppose one other. Very often when people read abuse they go about charts with "Ooh, a nessus conjunct a personal planet will outweigh a moon trine same planet because it's stronger" and I think it's a simplistic view that may work on un-evolved individual, people who remain immature, inbred in their original cultural environment and such, yeah maybe the primary impulse is followed without question and Nessus goes for it. But in other cases I can see the abuse being triggered by the favourable aspect, the person would abuse the people who touch their soft spot, as some form of retaliation, or abuse their own selves, OR maybe that positive, lesser aspect would hold the key to the owner of the chart never becoming an abuser? I think relationship issues are sometimes easier to solve than personal issues. You can give up on yourself, accept failure but another person that you hurt will never stop telling you you hurt them (or if they do they are into a victim pattern and it's not just your nessus), they will shout until heard or leave, what I'm saying is sure Nessus isn't Mister sweetness, but he's also a hot shot facing passive Dejanira, what happens when he meets moon in Scorpio huh?
I think it's ok to have dark thoughts, purge, 'cathart' on, I think if everyone imagined what it must feel like to feel someone's life slipping though their hands as they strangle them, less people would actually do it. We are taught to spend hours day dreaming about the perfect wedding, the perfect job, the names of children whose other parent we haven't even met and it would be wrong to muse about all the bad things we could do, including and especially while in the pursuit of those things? Sounds so childish to me. I remember this bloke who knew this girl was his soul mate and he'll end up with her. 10 years down the road, the meet again and big love, child, to everyone it's such a beautiful love story. I remember all the girls he slept with, the one he took advantage off when she had just lost her father just because he wanted to try anal, the one he isolated from her bffs because he lived for his work and needed her to be there when he was cause he wasn't to reorganise his schedule, the ones whose hearts he broke practising his I love you's for mrs right, the one he videotaped without her consent or knowledge because he wanted to be the "perfect stud" for his true love (and those were not one night stands, those were committed relationships). That love that he's giving that girl, what's it worth? You can be a twat to everyone and except to be soulful to one. That's karma for you, the best this girl has is the pride of nailing a **** and taking comfort in knowing that his love for her is based solely on her being the embodiment of his type is all.

I have attracted severe manipulative people but at work and only for the past 5 years, before that I had been cool since childhood.

I hate power games and don't understand them. I sense when somoen is being a twat, but somehjow I can't help but follow because "who am I to act on gust alone"? but I never let it go too far because I still take my guts into account and protect myself. I think power games are cheap, weak, I have no interest in people who play them or wiosh they played them.

Exactloy, i think "acting on" is a bit of astrology's blind spot, I feel a lot of people read a chart and assume that every aspect will be acted on, when it's actually a lot more comoplicated, inclsuding positive ones, I'm pretty sure I have a ne Jupiter aspect I never really benfiicated from for lack of doing my minimum share of that work.

Should have said female cancer s, can't say I've had such experiences with cancer men.

I think commitment is important, it should not be made with everyone, lightly, but once made it should be made to work and stick through thick and thin.

I have serous focus issues so I can feel the pain of not feeling productive enough.

I feel that with "plutonian emotions" it becomes easier once you're truly touched. I would feel extreme anger at some politician on telly and need top act it out, but then I'd be angry at someone who had hurt me and the nature of those feelings would make the **** telly a walk on the beach, so the trick is to see that just because your emotions are intense it doesn't mean you can't detach yourself. They work the same as soft emotions, they're just deeper, bigger...

haha, yep my mercury's idea of a solution usually is "both?" but the Virgo sun helps. That and very limited funds lol

I'd take the surprise of heavy users with a grain of salt lol I have been surrounded by users, reformed ones, dead ones, "I can handle myself" ones and... let's just say I don't have the happiest of relationship with drug as a thing.

But you can study, I can't. I think if you can study for yourself you can do it for academic purposes, it doesn't have to include maths either

posted August 06, 2019 02:06 PM            

i hit you up on a disposable account (i make them for everything) i'll probably respond to all this there in a minute (so we stop taking up the whole thread lol) i just wanted to do that initially before i forgot

edit: and yeah nessus conjunct sun is definitely like that to some people on an astrology forum, and in my case i've got all those other asteroids there too all on regulus

it's funny though because i've definitely experienced abuse but i'm not this abusive monster preying on people and i lack any urge to go after individuals either

i can sense weakness, i know i could exploit things and so on but i'm not one to act on that because it's ultimately pointless

i won't lie and say i have no destructive urges, i can, but they're all on a much larger scale and i'm not one to act on them

i got most of that **** out as a teenager through vandalism and setting things on fire etc i've mellowed out lol

felt like i had to mention the nessus thing here because of how people tend to react to it, i'll email you with the rest of what i have to say

posted August 09, 2019 03:28 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Dumuzi:
@Plut0nian2:

so it's projection on your part then? it not being deep enough

i find it interesting how many people with heavy pluto have a tendency to really project their deep emotions onto other people and sort of play that out rather than entirely see the other person in the equation

---

Could you elaborate more, I'm not sure I got it right.

my ex was like that, and i tend to find a lot of pluto heavy people (i think maybe i'm going to try to avoid that lol in the future with people i **** around with as far as astrological dealbreakers go... too many pluto contacts particularly in synastry is something i'm thinking i'll pass up as much as i generally go for that kind of thing because i have something wrong with me i guess) and it seems to be a pattern

i think at this point i'd rather be addicted to heroin again than have a kid with her lol don't get me wrong i have love for her, but that sounds like more of a dramatic trainwreck than something i'd want to deal wi

lol,
you have Pluto in Scorpio 1st H. I hadn't realised it.
Is it your Pluto or theirs making synastry aspects?

i ******* talk to my plants and **** i'm like "hey you're looking good, i like your leaves" lol

it's really funny to me that it surprises you, guess i'm not entirely predictable lol

Ahahahaah
Ah Dumuzi maybe Leo Mercury isn't that bad, (don't really know many but the ones I know are liars although I'm sure there are other things in their chart indicating so) but the way you "talk" has something childish in a positive way. Your Leo Mercury shouldn't be in early degrees, it would square my Saturn and I find repulsive whatever planet opposes/squares (not sure about conunction) my natal Saturn.

i see freedom like: are there laws? yes? then no freedom

Yes we see freedom very differently. Imagine if there wouldn't be laws.. We would be killed/raped/abused anything (not that it doesn't happen now but I don't want to know how much worse it would be if there weren't laws). Truly free you become when you die imo and even then we're not sure what happens.

any obligations or things that need to be considered or just life in general comes with this inability to truly be free

so i think it's interesting that you equate freedom more to finances than just general things that even money doesn't get rid of

Maybe because I see money as the solution to everything except of health issues (even then it will make things better).
When I had a job I felt like I was flying,
I can leave with even fewer things than I already do but that doesn't mean I won't be miserable. Money makes things so easy and gives you the chance to experience beautiful things you wouldn't otherwise.

i miss the person i grew up with and i feel like that person's been dead a while and i don't like the person in her shell too much and haven't

I know this feeling too well. Maybe she had some major transits when she changed like a friend of mines.

it's complicated, i have a lot of mixed feelings most of them just go back to being thankful for distance and hoping she gets some kind of help at some point because she's a ******* trainwreck and being with her frequently turns into the equivalent of trying to fix a sinking ship while someone walks around behind you making more holes

It would be better for you in the long run if you don't get back to being with her since you feel like that.

she's got no sense just runs on sheer emotion though (earth void thing?) and is so selfish and destructive at this point that she'll tear herself down and anyone near her too

No.. Not only I have lack of earth but I have too much water myself and I don't run on sheer emotion at all, I've had others asking me how can I be so rational when I have so deep-intense feelings. I believe Aries Moon and Mercury especially are very much like that. You have things that balance your Aries Moon but does she have anything like you strong Libra/Uranus/Saturn (I'm not sure if Pluto helps since I haven't experienced Pluto on air/fire Moon signs).

if she got help and made an effort to actually better herself i'd be more open to her, but she's the kind of person who needs to hit rock bottom to do anything (if she ever does) and she needs to on her own

She generally reminds me a lot of my mom (and her relatives)

it would only be a friends with benefits thing, anything more serious than that would just be setting myself up for a bunch of ******** i'd rather avoid and honestly probably make her less likely to seek help in the long run

posted August 09, 2019 04:42 AM            

over the years i've noticed a lot of people with heavy pluto will decide they know what another person feels and then act on that, i think being so used to reading people well makes them think they're always right but in close relationships it starts to fail because they're always overthinking everything

does that make more sense?

it works both ways with pluto for me in synastry they make aspects to mine and vice versa, i always find those pluto connections though, but i guess maybe that's just what comes with a 1st house pluto and a 7th house north node on my descendant

i have that an a pluto-sun sextile (sun-neptune too, i think they help make up for the lack of personal water planets in my chart)

my mercury is 17 degrees (trines my moon pretty much exact) and it's got a lot of aspects on it so that probably alters it, but i can be childish in a sense

i think it's a positive quality though i find most people get older and they make me sad lol

i'm not a huge fan of harsh saturn aspects in synastry either, they really get to me in a lot of cases the person comes off too heavy for me

i had a friend with benefits whose saturn was on my descendant so it was conjunct my moon and square my mars and opposite my venus and even though it positively aspected my mercury and uranus i just felt like there was too much blockage there to really ever feel much of anything

i think that people would enforce social behaviors on each other without there being laws on a government level tbh, just human nature really

but i think i'd probably do alright enough in a world like that lol i'd just eat the hearts of my enemies

i feel like there's a lot of beauty in a **** ton of things that are around with or without money it's just a matter of going out and finding them

you can experience beautiful things you wouldn't otherwise just by doing something different, money can alter what you do but it isn't the only way to get to do a lot of ****

12th house pluto/saturn were her transits

they're still there, and i'm aware she's going through some **** i'm not holding it against her but the behavior is hard to deal with

it's not really a feeling, more of a reality, she just is destructive but she also thinks she's always right so it's a ****** up combination

i just wish she'd trust me for once without arguing stupid points because i know i'm ******* right lol even outside of a relationship i know if she just listened to me she'd be better off, i'm watching her actively destroy things she was building for years separate from me

and i know i sound like an ******* saying that, but it's true, it was almost immediate that things went downhill with her job and **** too

she had a lot going on and now that's all just sort of collapsing around her

she has moon-square neptune ******* her **** up but it is positively aspected by a few things, but she has this tendency to think she's rational and she can be in some areas but then just not at all

well considering what i vaguely remember you saying about your mother that's not the best lol she's got a lot of issues though yeah, but i can't help it i really wish i could just get her to look around at everything and pull herself together

i just, she's got so much good **** going on with who she is and then she just flails around ******* it up and she never wants to acknowledge that and it's frustrating to even watch as a friend because she doesn't have to be in the positions she puts herself in she could be doing better

i know she has to be ready for change in order to do it, i just... really hope she hits that point because for as much **** as i've said about her that's negative there's a lot of things i loved obviously you know? you don't have someone in your life for 20 years and spend so much of it in a relationship with them without seeing all their good too

it's just her bad has been amplified lately with the erratic behavior and just watching so much of what she was building even separate from me fall apart it just... it's what's visible right now

but i know every side of her well, and there's a lot more there that she's just not acting on right now and i hope she gets to a better place without doing too much damage to herself first

i don't know that she will though and i find that really heartbreaking, more than anything with or without me i want her to be happy and i don't know that she has it in her to ever be and that's never something you want for someone you care about

posted August 09, 2019 05:38 AM            

Could you possibly post her chart or give me her birthday details? I'm always asking for charts because one sign/placement isn't enough by itself.

People with Mercury-Neptune hard aspects do it unconciously most of the time.
And actually ine of the heavy Virgos I mentioned does have Mercury square Neptune.

Having a heavily watery chart both signs and aspects wise, I can assure you it's not water. I have Leo Venus (and Mars) too. Uranus and Neptune both conjuct my DSC and oppose my Sun (Uranus is closer than Neptune).

I had a few people like your friend. One of my childhood friends was like that in actually everything (music, clothes, opinions etc).. I caught her once asking another girl if she immitates the way I laugh successfully and she repeated it many times in order to achieve it ahahahahahahahahh. She did it with an idea I had for a very important school project and she presented it as hers, was the last I spoke to her.

Personally I find it easy to not reveal things I don't want to reveal while being myself at the same time. I mean I honestly can't find a single reason to copy someone other than lacking personality.

*It's indeed a waste of time and emotions because at some point you'll be revealed and you're actually sabotaging yourself, let alone that it seems the most awkward and fake of all.

*Even her wanting to have kids may actually come from somewhere else lol

posted August 09, 2019 03:48 PM              

I agree but sadly no, it wasn't me who did the chart back then and I can't remember her place and time of birth if ever knew them :s
I only remember her planets/signs: Cancer sun and mercury, Virgo ASC, Pisces moon and mars and Venus in air, Libra and Gemini I think. O and she was an 11th house sun.
My Neptune is in sag and we're only weeks apart.

Ooh I didn't mean to accuse water haha, what have I said? I mean that water, just like Virgo (have to admit that, it felt so annoying but so true when I read your first post lol) and mutable, all have various abilities that can make this happen, I do have a fear that Virgo-Cancer in a women isn't too good, unless it's woken up by some fire or something fixed, it almost feels too introvert to be good, as if there's a kingdom of the inner self that rules over all else. But then again, not a thing in itself.

I'm leo venus too, I think that alone is severely too proud to copy anyone lol

That is absobloodylutely awful!! I hate that, truly hate it. The theft of ideas takes nerve I can't dream to possess.

I find it very easy to but I'm not good at it, in terms of I'm being all cryptic and equivocal and it's all quite tight but then people interpret it in a completely derogatory manner and it backfires. I was been labelled gay so many times just for refusing to disclose information on my private life at work.

...Or not? I mean a lot of people don't dig so much so I believe she could fool her way through life. Men loved her, she was always "mysterious" to them and "deep". I find it fake too, but what are you gonna do?

haha, she is a Cancer so I guess the children thing comes with the package, O and she had a Virgo sister too, whom she looked up to, could have helped the copying thing, copying others (especially Virgos) the way she'd have copied her older sister?

I'll look for her birth details, they should be somewhere buried deep in e-mail history or something...

posted August 09, 2019 06:00 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by MarsSaturnDelight:
Let me hear 'em. What aspects in the other person make you run a mile, or what synastry aspects make you think twice - anything astrological that breaks the deal. You can give reasons too!!

I'll go first!

Gemini Mars or Venus. Too airy fairy for me; I like something to sink my teeth into! I want action and less jibber jabber.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Disclaimer: I know this is a generalisation and that there's more to it than one or too aspects, but hey, that's the fun part. Additionally, if your sensitive and don't like your aspect being mentioned, please leave your Neptune at the door.

---

Aside from the Sun Sign, any placements in Gemini, Capricorn or Aquarius. Too detached.

posted August 09, 2019 11:35 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Dumuzi:
Plut0nian2:

over the years i've noticed a lot of people with heavy pluto will decide they know what another person feels and then act on that, i think being so used to reading people well makes them think they're always right but in close relationships it starts to fail because they're always overthinking everything

does that make more sense?

---

Yes, personally I don't trust my intuition before it proves correct, so whatever I sense has to be practically proven but I always end up thinking "I was right again?!?" I find it weird especially in some specific cases. Still my brain insists.. "I don't care U'll have the last word no matter how many times your intuition is correct.

i think it's a positive quality though i find most people get older and they make me sad lol

Don't talk about getting old because with $&@%@%%@ Saturn opposing my DSC I saw my first wrinkles. When it got in my 4th H (squaring my ASC) I got many white strands.

i'm not a huge fan of harsh saturn aspects in synastry either, they really get to me in a lot of cases the person comes off too heavy for me

Me too, I feel that blockage even when I'm Saturn.

i feel like there's a lot of beauty in a **** ton of things that are around with or without money it's just a matter of going out and finding them

I love many things but they all need money. Music is one of them but I need to pay for internet, a device to download it and play it, I like good food but it needs money. There are other things but you get what I mean.

12th house pluto/saturn were her transits

they're still there, and i'm aware she's going through some **** i'm not holding it against her but the behavior is hard to deal with

I'm wondering if when those transits will be in her 1st H she'll be reborn or she'll hit bottom.

posted August 15, 2019 10:25 PM            

i tend to trust my intuition, but i always figure i could be wrong

i don't really associate white hair with being old necessarily, my ex fiancee started getting white hair when we were 17, it came in like streaks though and i like the way it looks when she leaves it alone

i only have 2 myself but there's people in my family who don't really get much more than that at all

yeah same, if i'm saturn or they're saturn there's still something that's not quite right, it's too restrictive

i like easy saturn aspects though i can deal with those

don't necessarily need a lot of money for good food all a matter of skill, and depending on where you live there's always you know edible stuff just kind of lying around in nature

i don't really think about music in those terms i suppose, i play more than i listen

i'm hoping she gets to somewhere a little better before then, she has neptune squaring her sun right now too and is in a really bad place

we talked last night, really talked and she told me more and it's just really ******* sad but she's still clinging

she asked me not to say "i told you so" and i didn't, i wasn't going to but i just took that as a "i think you might be right"

there's still a struggle there, but she was more open to me in some ways

posted August 16, 2019 08:28 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Belage:
Saturn square or opposite mars
Uranus square or opposite Venus
Neptune square or opposite Venus
Saturn/Neptune/Pluto square or opposite moon

---

curious about your issues with saturn square mars and moon square neptune, my ex fiancee has both these placements and a lot of pluto and i wonder if i've been too focused on the pluto as her issues and not enough on those