posted March 27, 2015 05:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It is not simple pilot suicide. It is terrorism. On the Malaysian one, the pilot screamed Allah Akbar before he crashed it.

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Has anyone looked into a place called Diego Garcia? Which is not on the map. There were also a number of scientists who were inconvenient for those that control the world. If you know too much, you get killed 'accidentally'

As for this incident, I would like to know the DOB of the co-pilot. He was at that age where people have Saturn return.
I don't know if it's a terrorism unless more information is revealed but this world is so forced that people are going crazy and I don't blame them!

Do you think most victims had tUranus in 3rd/9th H axis? I wonder....

posted March 27, 2015 06:20 AM            

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No one actually knows what happened. The prosecutor is irresponsible since he has jumped into conclusion before the investigation has started and without substantial evidence - the second black box is still missing. Carbon monoxide can cause unconsciousness in minutes. A common phenomenon is Aerotoxic syndrome which did happen to German Wings in 2010 during landing at Bonn when the pilots lost control due to contaminated air in the cabin. They were fast enough to grab the oxygen mask and almost crash landed. If this is the case the pilot would still be breathing but remain unconscious. Furthernore, until the second black box is recovered we should stop this witch hunt. No one one knows whether its a suicide, murder or perhaps the long problem with contaminated air with most airbus models except A380 & boeing 787.

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While a suicide definitely seems most likely, I agree with the above quote that until the investigation has completed, releasing info of this type leads to mass hysteria and pre-mature conclusions.

Any (apparent) suicide which causes the death of other people gets branded as an act of terrorism these days, before even having all the facts.

posted March 27, 2015 07:31 AM            

Between, it seems like a brilliant natal chart for a pilot :S

posted March 27, 2015 07:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
^Very good points. This advice is particularly relevant, I feel, for instances of supposed terrorism, because the goal of terrorism is ultimately to create terror, outrage and confusion, and by people giving in to this, terrorism actually achieves its goal and we shouldn't let that happen. One major countermeasure (apart from preventing such incidents as best as possible) would therefore be not to give in to fear, hysteria, and baseless suspicions because that's what the criminals are trying to create on a large scale and by playing their game we let them win.

Regarding this particular case in France, however, prosecutors are probably certain enough to make such a specific pronouncement because a) if the pilot had been incapacitated/unconscious, he could not have actively locked the door continuously, which he must have done (there was a detailed technical explanation given on how this works and it follows he must have actively prevented anyone from coming into the cockpit, which points to a deliberate action, and which is impossible to do by an unconscious person); and b), today it was reported that a police search in his home has uncovered detailed evidence of psychiatric problems.

What I would be most interested in seeing is the testimony of the air force fighter pilot who was sent to take a look at the plane while it still descended, and which has not yet been made available to the public. He could have seen what was going on in the cockpit and likely that would be a key piece of the evidence, and maybe explains the certainty of the prosecutors as well.

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Hi Vajra - couldn't agree more with what you're saying, especially your thoughts on terrorism.

It does all seem to point to a conscious and deliberate act. Especially since it has apparently been confirmed that the co-pilot used a switch to over-ride the pilot entering an emergency code into the keypad outside. Still, the investigation has only just started.

There's naturally been a storm of contradicting information since this happened, not only about the state of the aircraft but especially about the co-pilot who was originally reported as being on an elite list, one of their best, a quiet and friendly guy, and now is being reported as an isolated fitness maniac who had slipped through Lufthansa's 'safety net'. Lufthansa naturally will want to distance themselves as much as possible from his actions, and the media is already profiling the guy based on very limited info.

posted March 27, 2015 07:48 AM            

'losing one's head' is associated with Algol which i guess could be interpreted in the suicide-mass murder pilot's case not entirely literally.

e: also he has Mercury combust Sun which i believe is indicative of mental health problems

posted March 27, 2015 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

The only people who can make any reasonable judgement are still conducting an investigation. Even then, no one may truly know and the only thing that we get is a best guess.
The rest of the world just spins it's wheels trying to play detective from sometimes thousands of miles away with information coming from untrustworthy media sources.

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posted March 27, 2015 08:20 AM            

French Prosecutor: Germanwings Co-Pilot Deliberately Destroyed Flight 4U 9525

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posted March 27, 2015 08:30 AM            

Lubitz's chart is unbalanced all the planets cluster in the same sector of the chart. It can't be easy living like that he had transits opposing and squaring his natal all the time. Time-bomb it's how I would describe it.

posted March 27, 2015 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Thanks 7th Guardian for posting the chart. What stands out to me at first glance is the Sun conj. Saturn AND Uranus, and opp. Chiron. Now this is certainly not an easy energy to handle, all that contradictory pressure on one's Sun, and this in itself points to a certain likelihood of depression (but not, of course, to criminal acts per se, just to inner turmoil).
He also has Mars conj. Pluto.

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Many people have this and they don't blow up planes.

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posted March 27, 2015 08:50 AM            

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Investigators searching the Düsseldorf apartment of the co-pilot on the Germanwings flight that crashed into the French Alps on Tuesday have found evidence he hid an illness from his employers, prosecutors said on Friday.

The evidence is a torn-up doctors’ note, signing him off work on the day of the crash.

“Medical documents were found that indicate an ongoing illness and suitable medical treatment,” Düsseldorf prosecutors said in a statement.

“The circumstance that torn-up current medical certificates - also pertaining to the day of the act - were found, supports, after preliminary examination, the assumption that the deceased hid his illness from his employer and his professional circles.”

“Investigations as well as the assessment of the medical treatment documents will take some days. As soon as reliable findings emerge, we will inform relatives and the public.”

On Thursday, Lufthansa’s chief executive, Carsten Spohr, revealed that Lubitz had interrupted his training in 2009, but refused to say why. He would only say that Lubitz was eventually cleared to return to work, after passing fitness and psychological tests.

On Friday however, the German newspaper Bild said that the Lufthansa flight school in Phoenix, Arizona had designated Lubitz at the time as “not suitable for flying”.

The newspaper said he spent a year-and-a-half receiving psychiatric treatment. Several times he was forced to repeat his flying classes because of depression, before he successfully finished his training. In 2009 he was diagnosed with a “severe depressive episode”, Bild reported.

Citing police sources, Bild said the investigation is examining whether Lubitz had been suffering from a “personal life crisis”. He is said to have had a relationship crisis with his girlfriend and to have suffered emotional problems. The local Westerwälder newspaper said Lubitz and his girlfriend had been together for seven years and were living in a flat in Düsseldorf.

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posted March 27, 2015 08:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:

He also has Mars conj. Pluto.

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And exactly this aspect I see, as someone who has a very strong psyche. It's even in scorpio, it's own ruler.

That kind of aspect speaks more of a survivor type, to me. As someone who will do anything to survive.

posted March 27, 2015 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Many people have this and they don't blow up planes.

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posted March 27, 2015 09:14 AM            

This is very sad but why try to act as if it is not happening.

We have to use wisdom, always, and we can't if we won't face it

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posted March 27, 2015 09:20 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
The pilot for Malaysia airlines didn't kill those people. The plane was a victim of remote technology used to make the plane go off its course.

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posted March 27, 2015 09:31 AM            

So while my chart is different from his, there are some similarities as well.

I agree with Vajra's assessment that these placements lead to likelihood of depression and inner turmoil. I went through a brief period of suicidal thoughts a few years ago as well. I never thought of bringing anyone down with me, but if the information they're releasing about him is true (and I'm very sceptical of everything they publish at the moment, as all it serves is to distance him from Lufthansa while the investigation is ongoing), then he had been struggling with this for years and years. This can be extremely destructive for the mind, and few people on Earth know what could have been going through his. Considering his environment, he didn't have much outlets either.

posted March 27, 2015 09:32 AM            

"Almost one-third of adults with mental illness are likely to be victims of violence within a six-month period, and adults with mental illness who commit violence are most likely to do so in residential settings. The study also finds a strong correlation between being a victim of violence and committing a violent act." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140225101639.htm

posted March 27, 2015 09:40 AM            

If you check his background, you will see the terrorism connection

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posted March 27, 2015 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
Why do people think people can only commit crimes if they have mental illnesses?
That is false.
Mentally ill people are actually more likely to be victims than to be criminals.

"Almost one-third of adults with mental illness are likely to be victims of violence within a six-month period, and adults with mental illness who commit violence are most likely to do so in residential settings. The study also finds a strong correlation between being a victim of violence and committing a violent act." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140225101639.htm

Some perfectly healthy people just think they're entitled to everything, including other people's lives.
The thing is that mental illnesses are blamed so people don't have to dig deaper into "why"

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posted March 27, 2015 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
YES. It's a label which stops further questions about responsibility.

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