posted March 28, 2015 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:

and, among others, a Yod involving the SUN and ATROPOS at the base and pointing towards IC and ALMA at the apex ... along with all the other placements at 3-4°.

SUN /// 3° ARI 26'

JUNO /// 3° LEO 38'
KAMA /// 4° LEO 33'
ATROPOS /// 3° AQU 30'

NABOKOV /// 3° GEM 05'
IC /// 1° VIR 32'
ALMA /// 3° VIR 59'
SATURN /// 4° SAG 51'
(MC /// 1° PIS 32')
KARMA /// 3° PIS 52'

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posted March 28, 2015 11:03 AM            

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posted March 28, 2015 12:50 PM            

Maybe we could look at asteroids? Or even the pilots' natal Parts of Air Travel?

posted March 28, 2015 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I was about to write about this and saw your post, yes, this Yod is interesting, with the exact Sun/Atropos sextile and sitting on the MC axis, releasing in MC.

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posted March 28, 2015 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
OH, Peluches. ATROPOS is all over the AF 447. Along with LACHESIS. It's horrendous. I took one look at the takeoff chart and thought, 'I would have grounded this flight!'

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Wow ! We'll have to check Lachesis then.

posted March 28, 2015 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:

LeeLoo's remark about Phaeton conj. Lucifer is eerie; those are two symbols of hybris leading to self-destruction, Phaeton is even connected with fly?

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posted March 28, 2015 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by astra7:
Anyone noticed his nPholous and tMoon was on Algol.

btw, he doesn't look like an owner of Leo Asc. To me he looks Gemini Asc, placing nChiron in his 1st H.

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Does he have natal Moon conj Algol?

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posted March 28, 2015 02:21 PM            

* a potential final degrees Scorpio Moon opp Pholus (explosive Moon) triggered by the same energy, replicated that day, on the same spot, tMoon on Pholus opp natal Moon

-nMars/Pluto sq Lilith (tJupiter) opp t Tisiphone/Sekhmet/Dejanira

-natal Karma/Nessus/Tisiphone/Atropos stellium with tLilith on it

-Pholus Yod with Sun Stellium and Anubis, possibly releasing into nMoon, and triggered by Moon

-Sekhmet/Neptune exact conjunction - how would this be? bloodbath unfortunately comes to mind, in connection with the myth

- Icarus sq Jupiter/Eris with Pluto transiting

- tUranus on Eris - -

- tSun conj Anubis, Anubis/Sun stellium exact sextile in the natal chart

-tPhaeton/Icarus, Pholus/Pallas sitting on crash ASC and his mutable cross

- tKarma/Nessus on crash MC

- loose mars/Pluto natal conjunction

- loose natal Sun stellium, ungrounded, only a 6 deg trine (more like 7 actually) coming from it (in terms of planets)

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posted March 28, 2015 04:51 PM            

Maybe the pilot was a christian, or a muslim, and maybe his last words was "God is great". And if it was, then you can also say that he did it in the name of god yes. But still, it is not the religion it self that made him do it, it is something more deep, it is personal problem. Psychological problems, and ATM there is more and more new info about this guy. And what really sticks out to me, is that he seemed to have a clear goal for his life, but he seemed to be pushed out and he new that he would never attain his goals.

posted March 28, 2015 05:24 PM            

The plane crash & Andreas have nothing to do with religion at all.

The fact that his serious mental problems made him unable to become a pilot, keep his fiancée (she broke up with him a day earlier the crash) and lead a normal life got him suicidal.

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A former girlfriend of the killer co-pilot Andreas Lubitz said he had long planned a spectacular and unforgettable event and told how she was scared by his erratic, violent behaviour.

The unnamed ex-girlfriend claimed he had plotted for a long time to commit an act so terrible that his name would never be forgotten.

When she heard about the crash she remembered that Lubitz had told her last year: “One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it.”

“I never knew what he meant but now it makes sense,” she told the German newspaper Bild.

She described Lubitz as a tormented character and said that she had left him because of his behaviour which frightened her.
“At night he woke up and screamed ‘We’re going down’, because he had nightmares. He knew how to hide from other people what was really going on inside,” she said.

The co-pilot who flew a Germanwings plane into the Alps killing everyone on board had broken up with his fiancée just one day earlier, it is being reported.

Andreas Lubitz and his unnamed girlfriend had been together seven years and were due to marry sometime in 2016, according to French media.

posted March 28, 2015 05:26 PM            

Okay.. wonderful chart. Quick glance from a fella sagittarius now.

Andreas is a Sag SUN. SUN's dispositor is JUPITER in Aries. JUPITER's dispositor is MARS in Scorpio. All his energy is built up in that powerful scorpionic spot, conjunct holy PLUTO! A little bit obsessive and desiring control, don't you think? When he came to realize that he had no control over himself, his life, his girlfriend, he gave up. His energy and emotions seek control, but he was unstable mentally.

His 27' 52'' degree pisces NN got activated by the solar eclipse which happened at exactly 29 degrees pisces on 20 march, trine his fallen moon. That surely affected his vision regarding his path.

Now.. probably the most obvious thing... his stellium. SUN-URANUS-MERCURY-SATURN. SUN-URANUS-MERCURY contacts tend to end in either you're a genius, a freak or sadly a mentally troubled psychopath.

Examples of cute psychopaths with SUN-URANUS-MERCURY-MARS contacts
1. Josef mengele member of the Nazi party who was known as the "Angel of Death", known for being the butcher who had supervised the torture and death of as many as 400,000 Jews in a maniacal quest for racial purity
has SUN cj MERCURY in PISCES
MARS cj URANUS
2. Martin Bryant mass murderer, shot 57 people in a cafe, low IQ, schizophreniac, no remorse for his actions.
SUN cj MERCURY cj NN
3. Joachim Georg kroll German serial killer, child molester, rapist and cannibal. He was convicted of eight murders but confessed to a total of 14.
URANUS cj VENUS cj SUN in ARIES
etc

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posted March 28, 2015 09:42 PM            

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posted March 29, 2015 05:49 PM            

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I begin to wonder how such a person might have turned out with a positive twist given such a chart, if he hadn't succumbed to the destructive impulses....and what role the meds he took might have played.

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That was also a part of my curiosity - behind the question from my last post.

In his case, since Saturn is the strongest planet in his chart - was wondering if a Saturn Return - could have changed him in a better/stronger version of himself. Though, based on the latest news:

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The news comes as it was suggested that Miss Goldbach broke off her relationship with Lubitz because his erratic personality left her fearing for her safety, the newspaper reported.

One friend said: ‘He tried to order her what to wear, what men she could speak to, even the length of her skirts. He was a control freak of the highest order.’

Another friend added: ‘She said he was very kind and attentive, but that he had problems with mood swings. And I think we sensed that she became more fearful over time.’

‘He was always seeking assurances about the way he looked and the way he was viewed by others,’ Maria said.

She painted a portrait of a ‘tormented and erratic’ man who would wake up from nightmares screaming: ‘We’re going down, we’re going down!’

She added: ‘He once told me he would do something to change the whole system, that the world would know his name and remember him.’

Lubitz's obsessive need to be in charge extended even to fast food. Habib Hassani, who runs a pizza restaurant near Lubitz’s Dusseldorf home, said: ‘He was extremely particular about pizza toppings.

'He wasn’t interested in what was on the menu. It was often paprika, ham, onion and broccoli. He had to have it his way. He was compulsive about it.’

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...a better self-control - seems to be the most likely positive twist he could achieve from a Saturn Return, thus - he probbaly wouldn't do something like that. But on a personal level - he might still be a control freak (which might be a necessity - for someone with those placements). Even so... if he wouldn't have done what he did - that would have been more than enough (a major difference). His natal chart - seems to go hand in hand with the behavior depicted in that news article.

BTW, about his nightmares - here's a dream interpretation:

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Airplane Crash

To dream that a plane crashes signifies that you have set overly high and unrealistic goals for yourself. You are in danger of having those goals come crashing down. Alternatively, the crashing airplane represents your lack of confidence, self-defeating attitude and self-doubt. You do not believe in your own ability to achieve those goals. Loss of power and uncertainty in achieving your goals are also signified.

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Since that specific nightmare kept recurring - with him being portrayed inside a crashing plane, this details could imply that - his fears were quite active and had a strong impact on his mental state - both on a conscious and subconscious level. And maybe his meds helped him keep his anxiety at bay on a conscious level - which gave him an elusive sense of control, while his inner-struggles kept bottling-up inside - surfacing from time to time (as was the case with those nocturnal panic attacks and his aggressive/abusive tendencies - emphasized by his narcissistic personality - as depicted above). And since his relationship seemed to be a place of oppression and fear - it was just a matter of time till she'd leave him. Unfortunately, that brake-up turned-up to be a strong and also his final trigger point - which made him loose the little control he had to his Ego - who acted out his fears from a place of despair...

There's also an astrologer - who released an article on this subject yesterday and maybe she found something - we might have missed: http://astrodynamics.net/the-astrology-of-the-andreas-lubitz-suicide-co-pilot/

posted March 29, 2015 06:04 PM            

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Andreas Lubitz was born one day after Chelsea Elizabeth Manning (formerly Bradley Edward Manning). Manning served as an intelligence analyst in the U.S. Army in Iraq. She became known in 2010 for leaking classified information to WikiLeaks, after becoming disillusioned with the Iraq War. She is currently serving a 35 year sentence in maximum security at Fort Leavenworth. Although these two individuals no doubt share much of the same conflicts and struggles, the choices they made and the paths they took are radically different.

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