posted March 27, 2015 05:08 PM            

Pholus explodes what it touches and it touches the angle of 'the other". Lord

Eris conj Mars. Eris shakes up what it touches with an erratic energy.

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posted March 27, 2015 05:12 PM              

Conjunct the ASC.. and his Chiron.

posted March 27, 2015 05:15 PM            

( This same thing happened to the people who did not go into the World Trade Center on 9-11, with many stories of people who slept late, were delayed or in other ways missed this terrorist attack)

I wonder if we can see any patterns in the charts of the poor souls who were murdered.

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posted March 27, 2015 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Pholus explodes what it touches and it touches the angle of 'the other". Lord

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posted March 27, 2015 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Lucifer/Pholus is conjunct ASC/DSC.

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Is Lucifer conj the ASC of this chart? It is hard to see some of them.

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posted March 27, 2015 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It is not simple pilot suicide. It is terrorism. On the Malaysian one, the pilot screamed Allah Akbar before he crashed it.

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I was recently flying Emirates over the northern Atlantic. While we feasted on our Halal dinner we hit some turbulents. Everyone on the plane, including myself began saying "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great), Subhan'Allah (Glory be to God), La illaha illallah (there is but One God). I know I wanted to live, but I just couldn't be sure who wanted to die...

Ami, I would really love if you could share those "ideologies" you are privy to. My brother is Hafiz of Quran, I have two dear friends who are scholars of Islam, one having received his PhD from Al Azhar University in Egypt. Another friend whose family can trace their scholarship of Islam back 500 years. I have read Quran, studied Hadith, and Seerah, and seem to have missed these "ideologies", but maybe your sources are stronger.

posted March 27, 2015 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I read on another side, where they used the start time of the flight as birth chart. It put the ASC on 9 Gemini

"An Airplane Performing A Nose Dive"

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posted March 27, 2015 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I read on another side, where they used the start time of the flight as birth chart. It put the ASC on 9 Gemini

"An Airplane Performing A Nose Dive"

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Wow!!

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posted March 27, 2015 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I read on another side, where they used the start time of the flight as birth chart. It put the ASC on 9 Gemini

"An Airplane Performing A Nose Dive"

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posted March 27, 2015 05:28 PM            

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posted March 27, 2015 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I was recently flying Emirates over the northern Atlantic. While we feasted on our Halal dinner we hit some turbulents. Everyone on the plane, including myself began saying "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great), Subhan'Allah (Glory be to God), La illaha illallah (there is but One God). I know I wanted to live, but I just couldn't be sure who wanted to die...

Ami, I would really love if you could share those "ideologies" you are privy to. My brother is Hafiz of Quran, I have two dear friends who are scholars of Islam, one having received his PhD from Al Azhar University in Egypt. Another friend whose family can trace their scholarship of Islam back 500 years. I have read Quran, studied Hadith, and Seerah, and seem to have missed these "ideologies", but maybe your sources are stronger.

And oh gosh, when it is discovered he was tied to Islam, we'll really have everything we need, because I also think it is so important to be wise, about who is who, and ideologies, and all that stuff... I don't know why we don't have concentration camps yet. I have some vacant land...

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posted March 27, 2015 06:18 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I read on another side, where they used the start time of the flight as birth chart. It put the ASC on 9 Gemini

"An Airplane Performing A Nose Dive"

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posted March 27, 2015 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I wanted to add something about psychotropic medication and how it can alter personality and behavior in these cases (either by dose or withdrawal)...the only way it can counter-act the symptoms, unfortunately, is by creating emotional numbness and distortion. Of course, this doesn't mean people under medication are capable of such a horror, but in combination with the whole story/profile (and we're actually speculating here, me included, since all the facts are not yet known) it could be an important added factor.

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posted March 27, 2015 09:44 PM            

Based on his natal Chart - his life seemed to be moving at an intense phase - yet highly unstable.It's quite likely that he never got the chance to do some proper work on himself (he didn't got the chance to experience his first Saturn Return either) - and maybe he wasn't even counseled properly - just stuffed with meds that would restore his mental balance on a physical/chemical level - while his wounds would pile up in his subconscious - surfacing only occasionally when the effect of the meds went down (a point - when he's probbaly take another pill out of habit). Though, I'm not aware of any Meds that can cure depression or other similar conditions. They're more like an aspirin which doesn't cure the pain - but it can make it go away for awhile. And maybe, due to certain events (like his breakup, and with Venus in Cap - his SO was probbaly his source for grounding) - he reached a critical point - where he didn't want to take more meds - in case his emotions were to dulled by their effect (or at least - that's one plausible scenario - based on his ongoing illness and the meds he decided to ignore in the end). With that type of chart he seemed to be running for most of his life - both on the inside and the outside - stopping only for a mental breakdown. As a Sag - all the running that was taking place on the outside - can help with some inner peace (physical activity - is also known to be necessary for good mental health), while - the running that was taking place on the inside - was probbaly the cause of his lack of inner peace. Hard to say, just an astrological perspective and also a curiosity - in case there's someone who shares those placements or if there's someone that could shade some light - on above question. Cause depression alone - doesn't say much, as - that has a lot to do with who we are at an individual level. The chemical/psychical part might be similar - but since we're wired differently (as a natal chart goes to show) and we also had different lives - this experience can be quite different from one person (Ego :) to another - even opposite extremes (as Vajra and LeeLoo2014 pointed out).

The visible synchronicity of that Sabian symbol - is indeed impressive (great find Ceridwen). And since it's a public event - that could explain why it's visible for everyone.

posted March 28, 2015 10:05 AM            

In many event charts and sometimes even synastries I have seen, there is always one or two (or a cluster around those) particular degrees that keep showing up whatever the sign. While I've noticed that it doesn't necessarily point out what's most significant, it does hold quite some importance. Here, in the event chart for the crash, we have the following.

MARS /// 24° ARI 35'
OSIRIS /// 28° CAN 28'
GRANDPRISM /// 28° CAP 37'

MOON /// 27° TAU 52'
VESTA /// 27° AQU 53'

ASC /// 28° GEM 10'
PHOLUS /// 26° SAG 07'
PALLAS /// 28° SAG 00'
(DSC /// 28° SAG 10')

and, among others, a Yod involving the SUN and ATROPOS at the base and pointing towards IC and ALMA at the apex ... along with all the other placements at 3-4°.

SUN /// 3° ARI 26'

JUNO /// 3° LEO 38'
KAMA /// 4° LEO 33'
ATROPOS /// 3° AQU 30'

NABOKOV /// 3° GEM 05'
IC /// 1° VIR 32'
ALMA /// 3° VIR 59'
SATURN /// 4° SAG 51'
(MC /// 1° PIS 32')
KARMA /// 3° PIS 52'

So, I didn't find as many connections as I'd hoped with Andreas Lubitz's natal (perhaps because of the unknown birth time ?...) with the 3° placements, but I did find a mutable Grand Cross at 26-28° (stretchable to his 23° placements) :

VARUNA /// 23° GEM 31'
CHIRON /// 26° GEM 00'

(SOUTH NODE /// 28° VIR 08'

MERCURY /// 23° SAG 12'
SATURN /// 23° SAG 52'
SUN /// 25° SAG 57'

NORTH NODE /// 28° PIS 08'